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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Michaeltreasure(m): 7:38pm On Mar 08
Mille:
All these talks of USA, Iran, Israel running out of missiles or ammunition after two weeks make me laugh. When they are not corrupt and poorly managed countries like Nigeria

How anyone can believe countries who have been prepared for war for a very long time ever run out is baffling to me. Even small hamas in a tiny strip of land didn't run out and continued producing rockets under heavy bombardment talkmore of these countries who have large production hubs.
That's because most people commenting on this thread are kids with smartphones. You just discovered? I've known this for long time now...
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkiir: 7:39pm On Mar 08
Mikasaobi:
Again what’s worse, the 🤡🤡 there or the 🤡🤡 here.
Iran is not gaza, if they hit hospital, Iran will hit hospital, if they hit school Iran will hit school. Tit for tat. If anything I still think Iran is holding back, with the precision of their weapons the hypersonic speed, They shouldn't
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16: 7:40pm On Mar 08
Mille:
All these talks of USA, Iran, Israel running out of missiles or ammunition after two weeks make me laugh. When they are not corrupt and poorly managed countries like Nigeria

How anyone can believe countries who have been prepared for war for a very long time ever run out is baffling to me. Even small hamas in a tiny strip of land didn't run out and continued producing rockets under heavy bombardment talkmore of these countries who have large production hubs.
there are three categories of munitions
dumb bombs
precision munitions
defensive interceptors

dumb bombs are as cheap to make as plastic
the major powers--us, russia, china can make an infinite number of dumb bombs
there is no supply constraint
to use dumb bombs you need total air superiority
that way you can fly standard subsonic bomber planes to drop as many as you want
this is how the us dropped more bombs on indochina than in all of ww2

after the fall of the soviet union, the advancement of air defense systems, and the shift in operational priority of the us from state actors to non-state actors (terror groups)
the us began to lean heavily on precision weapons
precision weapons are more complex
they are more expensive
and for-profit capitalism has limited the ability of the us and its vassals to make them at the same rate and at a cost-effective price like their peers and near-peer foes
this is why they just straight up ripped off the shahed drones to make their own lucas copycat

the last category are interceptors
these are the ultimate precision weapons
zero alternative
the us needs them to protect their forces against peer and near-peer foes
they simple cannot make enough
secretary of state rubio, said they make 6 to 7 interceptors per month
capitalism is the major issue here, but china has added the rare earth bottle neck
they used to have a large stockpile particularly for the patriot system
but the war in ukraine depleted them

in addition, the us has a strategic munition threshold due to its global commitments
it will stop a conflict even if it practically still has interceptors left if the stockpile dips significantly below that threshold

why?

because they know axis intelligence is watching
they have a fair idea of what the us has
the rate at which the us has been expending its munitions
and a guesstimate of what it has left
even the suspicion that the us is running critically low and unable to say defend europe or japan is cataclysmic
because then china or russia might make a move knowing the us is in a bad spot

it's like if the us suspects that all russian submarines have a d-day malware that crippled them completely
what do you think they'd do?
the us cannot create the impression that its stock is too low and that it can't produce more




let me put this all together

if the us was to fight nigeria
we have no air defense
we have a puny air force
we do not have the capacity to threaten us forces

the us will establish air superiority over all of nigeria within 48 hours at most
it will use precision missiles for this task and to take out d-day targets
after 48 hours, it will just be conducting bombing runs with b52s and f-15s/f-16s with dumb bombs
it will preserve its precision munition stock and it will not use its interceptor stock

in an air-only campaign
no boots on the ground
they could theoretically continue that campaign forever
yes forever
they will bomb the country into the stone age




the equation changes for powers that are closer to their capability
and it becomes even worse for the us if they're fighting a foe with time-sensitive asymmetric advantages

when a country has the capacity to threaten us forces
that puts pressure on the interceptor liability

when a country has a good air force and exceptional air defense
that puts pressure on precision munition stockpile

there's more that goes into this
but that is advanced military science
for instance, china can take on the us+allies in the pacific in a conventional war and beat them black-and-blue without it going nuclear
whereas, in a russia v us+nato, everyone expects it to go nuclear

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ghostagain: 8:25pm On Mar 08
Trump doesn't seem to be smarter than his Nigerian supporters. I can remember having to educate these guys on why Iran is not Venezuela and America can't just defeat Iran in 3 days. Now I hope they understand.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Mikasaobi: 8:25pm On Mar 08
Alamkiir:
Iran is not gaza, if they hit hospital, Iran will hit hospital, if they hit school Iran will hit school. Tit for tat. If anything I still think Iran is holding back, with the precision of their weapons the hypersonic speed, They shouldn't
The point is they can’t hit military targets. The New York Times article clearly states that the ballistic missiles storage and production are underground. And the military can’t destroy them.

While a USA official and centcom are saying schools and hospitals store missiles. This is why I call them 🤡🤡. Iran has demonstrated its ability to retaliate appropriately. They are not Gaza for sure.

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 8:34pm On Mar 08
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 8:34pm On Mar 08
⚡Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf:

The Iron Dome is no longer an “Iron Dome”; we can strike wherever we decide.

We no longer need to fire with the same volume as during the 12-Day War; we will launch fewer strikes but with greater effectiveness and accuracy.


Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16: 8:34pm On Mar 08
the new york times is now reporting that white house officials are saying trump may decide to end the war




iran should not accept any unilateral ceasefire

the strait of hormuz must remain closed until they lift sanctions and codify it in congress and the un

and any permanent end of the war must have security guarantees for intervention by russia, china, and pakistan

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Mikasaobi: 8:35pm On Mar 08
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ghostagain: 8:37pm On Mar 08
Pakistan and India are wild cards, they are like moderate versions of turkey. They talk out of both sides of the mouth and they will stab you in the back while smiling to your front.
LordAdam16:
the new york times is now reporting that white house officials are saying trump may decide to end the war




iran should not accept any unilateral ceasefire

the strait of hormuz must remain closed until they lift sanctions and codify it in congress and the un

and any permanent end of the war must have security guarantees for intervention by russia, china, and pakistan

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kaliningrad: 8:39pm On Mar 08
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 8:42pm On Mar 08
⚡The IRGC Intelligence Organization and the Iranian Intelligence Ministry, in a joint operation, arrested a 50-member cell affiliated with a pro-monarchy group in the province of Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad.

The group was planning to obtain firearms and cold weapons — Tasnim News Agency
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16: 8:43pm On Mar 08
Ghostagain:
Pakistan and India are wild cards, they are like moderate versions of turkey. They talk out of both sides of the mouth and they will stab you in the back while smiling to your front.
na mk e no b say na only russia and china dem put for list

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 8:44pm On Mar 08
⚡Iranian media:

"The Grand Ayatollah Sayyed Sistani, the highest religious authority in Iraq, issued a fatwa today that popular support for the Islamic Republic of Iran is a collective obligation."

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Mikasaobi: 8:44pm On Mar 08
LordAdam16:
the new york times is now reporting that white house officials are saying trump may decide to end the war




iran should not accept any unilateral ceasefire

the strait of hormuz must remain closed until they lift sanctions and codify it in congress and the un

and any permanent end of the war must have security guarantees for intervention by russia, china, and pakistan

-Lord
🤣🤣🤣 how embarrassing, it’s not even a month yet, Russia has been fighting NATO for 4 years in Ukraine. Another one for the peer not peer 🤡🤡.

The USA learnt nothing from the Ukraine war. They saw Russia destroying bunkers with oreshnik and other hypersonic missiles, they laughed. They saw Russian drones exhausting air defence systems in Ukraine and causing a lot of damage, they laughed.

They thought magic planes WW 2 technology of dropping bombs over a target is better than hypersonic missiles, we laughed. I hope they don’t use nukes because it will destroy Israel, eyes go clear.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 8:44pm On Mar 08
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 8:44pm On Mar 08
⚡Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf:

We saw in Iraq that when the Americans carried out helicopter-borne operations, they were captured.

If the enemy ever sets foot on Iranian soil, they themselves know what the people of Iran will do to them.


Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by sainttwist1(m): 8:45pm On Mar 08
Ghostagain:
You see, the big differences between the USA and Russia start to show:

1. Russian defence productions are state managed, so profit doesn't undermine defence imperatives whereas in the usa, money making companies are in charge of defence productions and they don't care about defence imperatives, they only care about making as much money as possible, even if it means sacrificing the military might of the usa.

2. Russia has virtually all the ressources in house, the USA doesn't, and therefore needs to either buy them from third countries or invade those countries for the ressources. All these add costs.

3. Mass producing these weapons in the USA Will take years to train the adequate number of personnel and change the way defence companies operate (USA is too capitalistic for the companies to give up profit and focus on defending the country).
I see your point, but don’t forget the US fought in Iraq and Afghanistan simultaneously for over 10 years and it never ran out of weapons

The US has participated in nearly every major conflict since WWII without running out of weapons

If you’re talking about Israel running out of weapons, that’s understandable, but I doubt the US would
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 8:45pm On Mar 08
⚡Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf:

We had a clear plan for this war, and over the past 10 days we have been moving forward according to that plan.

All sectors had instructions, and the war is progressing according to the program.


Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by 23jerryking(m): 8:45pm On Mar 08
FoolishBoy419:
You're the one that needs to do some research. Even Israel-designed weapons like Arrow 3 are not produced in Israel. Yesterday, the US bypassed congress to sell 12000 dumb bombs to them. They can't mass-produce high end weapons
Are you aware of the conversation you're jumping into? As it has always been your trademark. Is the term "production" limited to weapons? Or you didn't read what the guy wrote before my initial engagement.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 8:45pm On Mar 08
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ghostagain: 8:47pm On Mar 08
Iraqi military was starved for decades thanks to sanctions, it's only then that the USA and more than 30 of it's allies dared to attack.

If, you have only five bullets, chances are that you can't outgun rambo, but you can outgun me since I have zero bullets and zero guns.
sainttwist1:
I see your point, but don’t forget the US fought in Iraq and Afghanistan simultaneously for over 10 years and it never ran out of weapons

The US has participated in nearly every major conflict since WWII without running out of weapons

If you’re talking about Israel running out of weapons, that’s understandable, but I doubt the US would
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 8:48pm On Mar 08
⚡French President Macron on Iran:

I spoke with Iranian President Massoud Pezeshkian.

I emphasized the need for Iran to immediately cease its strikes against countries in the region.

Iran must also guarantee freedom of navigation by putting an end to the de facto closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

Finally, I reiterated our deep concern regarding the development of Iran’s nuclear and ballistic programs and the full range of its destabilizing activities in the region, which are at the origin of the current crisis.

A diplomatic solution is more necessary than ever to address these crucial challenges, put an end to the escalation, and preserve peace.

We agreed to remain in contact.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by shoodboi2: 8:52pm On Mar 08
Mille:
All these talks of USA, Iran, Israel running out of missiles or ammunition after two weeks make me laugh. When they are not corrupt and poorly managed countries like Nigeria

How anyone can believe countries who have been prepared for war for a very long time ever run out is baffling to me. Even small hamas in a tiny strip of land didn't run out and continued producing rockets under heavy bombardment talkmore of these countries who have large production hubs.
The US is the one complaining about running out of weapons. They made (and keep making) the same complaints in Ukraine too.

What you are seeing is the consequence of the ultra-capitalistic system that they run. Capitalism has its advantages. But it always gets to the point where nothing gets done unless someone is making money off it. That's the stage the US is at, and is the reason they can barely manufacture anything.

Everything in the US starts and ends on the stock market. You'll literally make more money there by working in a bank or in private equity or being a stockbroker or lawyer, than in being an engineer or a scientist.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by 23jerryking(m): 8:53pm On Mar 08
Ghostagain:
Iraqi military was starved for decades thanks to sanctions, it's only then that the USA and more than 30 of it's allies dared to attack.

If, you have only five bullets, chances are that you can't outgun rambo, but you can outgun me since I have zero bullets and zero guns.
Why did they need up to such numbers to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait? Are they really that weak or there's something else attached to it?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Appleyard(m): 8:53pm On Mar 08
The brother has no shame. Even me dey shame for the US.
SonOfWords:
If I be you, shame suppose dey catch me at this point.

You had the temerity to come here and blab how Iran won't be able to fire a single missile should Usrael attack them. You even dusted off the war in three days, yet one week later, Israel is burning, US bases and interests all around the ME are up in blazes.

Yet you've consistently done a volte-face on all your initial claims and are now salivating all over the thread with st*pid takes.

Just like the other clown who went to twitter to steal some hair-brained analysis about the lethality and supposed strategic importance of the aircraft carrier that was docked off Israel🤡.

Try go outside touch grass, Uncle three-days-decimation-of-Iran grin!
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16: 8:55pm On Mar 08
WriteerNg:
⚡French President Macron on Iran:

I spoke with Iranian President Massoud Pezeshkian.

I emphasized the need for Iran to immediately cease its strikes against countries in the region.

Iran must also guarantee freedom of navigation by putting an end to the de facto closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

Finally, I reiterated our deep concern regarding the development of Iran’s nuclear and ballistic programs and the full range of its destabilizing activities in the region, which are at the origin of the current crisis.

A diplomatic solution is more necessary than ever to address these crucial challenges, put an end to the escalation, and preserve peace.

We agreed to remain in contact.
one by one dem don dey beg

the strait of hormuz should not be opened until they completely remove sanctions
with very firm global guarantees

persia must not give up this golden opportunity

they thought they could pressure iran with war
see who trap don catch now




remove sanctions to reopen the strait

then tell them any future nuclear deal is contingent on the us completely leaving the middle east

dem b feel say dem get sense

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 8:55pm On Mar 08
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ghostagain: 8:57pm On Mar 08
If you want to beat up your neighbour, would you like a fair fight or a fight in which you are sure you would win ? 😅

Invite your entire family to join the beating down of your neighbour. That will guarantee your victory. 😎 Zun Glasses.
23jerryking:
Why did they need up to such numbers to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait? Are they really that weak or there's something else attached to it?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Olatunji1929: 8:58pm On Mar 08
WriteerNg:
⚡French President Macron on Iran:

I spoke with Iranian President Massoud Pezeshkian.

I emphasized the need for Iran to immediately cease its strikes against countries in the region.

Iran must also guarantee freedom of navigation by putting an end to the de facto closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

Finally, I reiterated our deep concern regarding the development of Iran’s nuclear and ballistic programs and the full range of its destabilizing activities in the region, which are at the origin of the current crisis.

A diplomatic solution is more necessary than ever to address these crucial challenges, put an end to the escalation, and preserve peace.

We agreed to remain in contact.
if Iranian President is not a fool he wouldn't have wasted his precious time listening to all these nonsense from Macron
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by basilico: 9:02pm On Mar 08
dermmy:
But you posted some charts yesterday showing how depleted their stockpiles are. You no even understand wetin dey do you sef.
I posted a chart of the number of missiles Iran has fired . I have no idea how many missiles they have left.
The number fired per day has rapidly decreased.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by 23jerryking(m): 9:09pm On Mar 08
Ghostagain:
If you want to beat up your neighbour, would you like a fair fight or a fight in which you are sure you would win ? 😅

Invite your entire family to join the beating down of your neighbour. That will guarantee your victory. 😎 Zun Glasses.
That's not how I go about it, I'm a full blooded Igala boy 😂 and we have small pride. Na one-on-one sure pass.
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