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IS ISRAEL ANTICHRIST?

"There are many deceivers in the world today who say Jesus Christ (the Messiah) has never come bodily. They are deceivers and antichrists" - 2 John 1:7

"Little children, we are in the last days, and as you have heard that the Antichrist shall come, know that even now there are many antichrists ... Isn't a liar the one who denies Jesus? All those who deny God the Father and Jesus Christ are antichrists" - 1 John 2:18, 22.

CONCLUSION

The Jews (Israel) say the real CHRIST, the real MESSIAH has never come yet. They say the Christ who came was fake, and so they killed him while they continue awaiting their so called "true" Messiah. Now, the Bible is so clear that anyone who claims that Jesus Christ (the Messiah) never came is an Antichrist. The Bible is again so clear that anyone who denies Jesus Christ is, in fact, an Antichrist.
~ John G. Henry

The word ANTICHRIST means against Christ so it's like having a wall clock that is working towards the opposite direction it's called "ANTICLOCKWISE" the same applies to the people who are claiming Christians but are doing all their things the opposite direction.

So the AntiChrist is a religion claiming they believe in Christ but practicing what Christ condemned.

The Jews never accepted Christ so they can't be the AntiChrist.

BlackAdam65:
➜The Jews (Israel) say the real CHRIST, the real MESSIAH has never come yet. They say the Christ who came was fake, and so they killed him while they continue awaiting their so called "true" Messiah. Now, the Bible is so clear that anyone who claims that Jesus Christ (the Messiah) never came is an Antichrist. The Bible is again so clear that anyone who denies Jesus Christ is, in fact, an Antichrist.
~ John G. Henry

Correction.... Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews. Also, Jesus Christ of Israel, who Himself happened to be a Jew, the same one you lot pretend to speak for, never once condemned the Jews for killing him. As a matter of fact, according to the Gospels and the Book of Acts, after His resurrection, Jesus Christ of Israel went around preaching and teaching His disciples (aside from the initial 11 disciples, famously known) for a period of about 40 days, preaching in the land to the Jews. 🥱🥱

So, why do you folks make it your place to condemn the Jews, pretending you do so on behalf of the same Jesus Christ of Israel? 🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ of Israel, never once condemned the Jews for killing him.

Jesus said:
This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. Matthew 21:43

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you. Matthew 23:37-38

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. Luke 21:20-24

Of course Jesus condemned and made it clear to the Jews that they have been condemned that's why he told his own disciples to forget about Jerusalem and focus on wherever they are welcomed.

Kobojunkie:
As a matter of fact, according to the Gospels and the Book of Acts, after His resurrection, Jesus Christ of Israel went around preaching and teaching His disciples (aside from the initial 11 disciples, famously known) for a period of about 40 days, preaching in the land to the Jews.

After his resurrection Jesus didn't talk to anyone again apart from his disciples so he never preached to anyone again after his death!

I love the way the content of this book continues to deceive and delude the religion, even almost 2 millennia later. 🥱🥱

Again, Jesus Christ of Israel never condemned the Jews for killing him. And no, He never disavowed the Jews. Nor did he suggest that the YHWH of Israel was intending to go against His plan to restore the Judeans and all of Israel when He finally brings His Israel back to the Land which He gave to them. 🥱🥱

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33 “Listen to this story: There was a man who owned a vineyard. He put a wall around the field and dug a hole for a winepress. Then he built a tower. He leased the land to some farmers and then left on a trip.
34 Later, it was time for the grapes to be picked. So the man sent his servants to the farmers to get his share of the grapes.
35 “But the farmers grabbed the servants and beat one. They killed another one and then stoned to death a third servant.
36 So the man sent some other servants to the farmers. He sent more servants than he sent the first time. But the farmers did the same thing to them that they did the first time.
37 So the man decided to send his son to the farmers. He said, ‘The farmers will respect my son.’
38 “But when the farmers saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the owner’s son. This vineyard will be his. If we kill him, it will be ours.’
39 So the farmers took the son, threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him.
40 “So what will the owner of the vineyard do to these farmers when he comes?”
41 The Jewish priests and leaders said, “He will surely kill those evil men. Then he will lease the land to other farmers, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”
42 Jesus said to them, “Surely you have read this in the Scriptures: ‘The stone that the builders refused to accept became the cornerstone. The Lord did this, and it is wonderful to us.’
43 “So I tell you that God’s kingdom will be taken away from you. It will be given to people who do what God wants in his kingdom.
44 Whoever falls on this stone will be broken. And it will crush anyone it falls on.”[f]
45 When the leading priests and the Pharisees heard these stories, they knew that Jesus was talking about them.
46 They wanted to find a way to arrest Jesus. But they were afraid to do anything, because the people believed that Jesus was a prophet. - Matthew 21 vs 33 vs 46

The Pharisees and priests of the time knew from 2000 years ago, that Jesus Christ of Israel, in this context, was specifically referring to them— not the entire Jewish nation. They saw with their own eyes that Jesus Christ of Israel took His message, not to the priests, Pharisees, and Sadducees— those who assumed themselves righteous among the Jews — but rather to the Jews and the Israelite diaspora (those referred to as Gentiles even in His time) of His time. Yes, Jesus Christ of Israel was reported to have eaten and drunk with the sinners... the laymen who were not connected. 🥱🥱🥱

A similar message as that found in Matthew 21 had been announced by Isaiah about the Judeans back before they were first taken into captivity by the Babylonians in Isaiah 5. And both times, it was not to signal an abandonment of the Judeans but rather the punishment that was to be inflicted on them by the YHWH of Israel for their sins against Him. The second time, of course, was the last of its kind, the final curse which is, again, not an abandonment.🥱🥱

⚉ As for Matthew 23, the entire Chapter focus on addressing the unrighteous acts of the teachers of the Law, aka the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Priests in the land of Judea. The entire chapter is filled with admonitions and curses on those who teach the Law, a title that not all of the population of Judea held. It also included warnings directed at His followers who were continually warned to be nothing like the Teachers of the Law of old. 🥱🥱

1 Then Jesus spoke to the people and to his followers. He said,
2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees have the authority to tell you what the Law of Moses says.
3 So you should obey them. Do everything they tell you to do. But their lives are not good examples for you to follow. They tell you to do things, but they don’t do those things themselves.
4 They make strict rules that are hard for people to obey. They try to force others to obey all their rules. But they themselves will not try to follow any of those rules. - Matthew 23 vs 1 - 4

This continues on till verses 37 - 38 that were quoted.

25 “It will be bad for you teachers of the law and you Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You wash clean the outside of your cups and dishes. But inside they are full of what you got by cheating others and pleasing yourselves.
26 Pharisees, you are blind! First make the inside of the cup clean and good. Then the outside of the cup will also be clean.
27 “It will be bad for you teachers of the law and you Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You are like tombs that are painted white. Outside they look fine, but inside they are full of dead people’s bones and all kinds of filth.
28 It is the same with you. People look at you and think you are godly. But on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and evil.
29 “It will be bad for you teachers of the law and you Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets. And you show honor to the graves of the godly people who were killed.
30 And you say, ‘If we had lived during the time of our ancestors, we would not have helped them kill these prophets.’
31 So you give proof that you are descendants of those who killed the prophets.
32 And you will finish the sin that your ancestors started!
33 “You are snakes! You are from a family of poisonous snakes! You will not escape God. You will all be judged guilty and go to hell!
34 So I tell you this: I send to you prophets and teachers who are wise and know the Scriptures. You will kill some of them. You will hang some of them on crosses. You will beat some of them in your synagogues. You will chase them from town to town.
35 “So you will be guilty for the death of all the good people who have been killed on earth. You will be guilty for the killing of that godly man Abel. And you will be guilty for the killing of Zechariah[f] son of Berachiah. He was killed between the Temple and the altar. You will be guilty for the killing of all the good people who lived between the time of Abel and the time of Zechariah.
36 Believe me when I say that all these things will happen to you people who are living now.
37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem! You kill the prophets. You stone to death those that God has sent to you. Many, many times I wanted to help your people. I wanted to gather them together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings. But you did not let me.
38 Now your house will be left completely empty.
39 I tell you, you will not see me again until that time when you will say, ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord.’[g]” - Matthew 23 vs 25 - 39

The context above is clear on who the killers of the Prophets are. It is not the nation of Judea, but the ones that are metonymously considered Jerusalem in the context...teachers of the law and you Pharisees who operated the temple in Jerusalem at the time, those whom Jesus Christ of Israel addressed his disdain for in the entire chapter. 🥱🥱

⚉ Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13, instead, focuses on the events thar began began the final wrath of YHWH of Israel on the children of Judea(and all of Israel). it all started with the destruction of the temple, the seat of office in the nation of Judeah, just as it did back the first time in Isaiah 5. Additional details of events that took place can be gleaned from Joel chapter 1 through 3. It details how there will always be Judeans living in the land, and that the Judeans will be restored back when the Lord's time arrives. 🥱🥱

No the Roman Empire invented Jesus Christ character is the Anti-Christ. The real Messiah has not yet come because when He comes:
There will be no more wars and there will be peace all over the world and He will make everyone to follow the true commandments of the True God of Israel.

If you want to know about the Real God of the Jews and Israel then start from here:

Zechariah 8:23
“In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gcwLuq95c

Kobojunkie:
The Pharisees and priests of the time knew from 2000 years ago, that Jesus Christ of Israel, in this context, was specifically referring to them— not the entire Jewish nation.

The whole nation was in confusion and the Pharisees were exploiting them as the people were eagerly anticipating a Messiah who will deliver them from the hands of their colonial masters (Rome)
So when they realize that Jesus was fulfilling some scriptures pointing to the Messiah they decided to make him king by force {John 6:15} but Jesus declined their offer.
WHY?
Because there has been destined a period of time God decided to give the nations to dominate the Israelites {Luke 21:24} it's when that time is completed that the Messiah could act as God's Executioner over the faithless people {Luke 19:27} until then God's people must humbly take the message of salvation to all the nations and see no one as enemies who is unworthy of salvation {Matthew 5:43-48} that is what the Jews doesn't want, they wanted God to destroy all nations that refuses to submit to them as they count themselves to be more important to God than all others.
So when Jesus said the nation and their temple has being condemned by God {Matthew 24:1-3 compare to Luke 21:20-24} he was quoting the scriptures as witness against the nation. God warned their ancestors that when the Messiah comes they must welcome all his teachings as God's word {Deuteronomy 18:18} and whoever refuses to accept him will be condemned {Deuteronomy 18:19} that is exactly what they did, they got really mad at him and condemned Jesus before Pontius Pilate saying they want him dead! Matthew 27:15-25
So don't be confused the nation of Israel has been condemned by God and any previous promises God made to them as been transferred to another nation producing the fruit of salvation {Matthew 21:43} Paul said this in his letter to Romans who accepted Jesus as the Christ explaining that all the promises God made to the Jews aren't meant for natural Jews but spiritual Jews that is people who became Jews by faith in Christ Jesus! Romans 2:25-29

Confusion? See this is why I hate religion. When caught in a lie, they resort to more lies and contradictions. 🙄🙄🙄🤒

The end of Jerusalem was prophesied from about 500 years before the fact. And throughout that period, literally prophet that was sent provided more and more details of what was to come, down to the battle at Megiddo to take place when all the nations would go to war only to lose. In Joel 2, they were prepared for the fact that the people in the land would see visions and prophecy as well. And that also happened. 🙄🙄

The Judaens new what was coming that is why they took to killing the prophets hoping to silence the voices of doom. And they knew they did not succeed at all when Jesus Christ of Israel showed up. 🙄🙄🙄

The prophets were sent to warn Israel and God continue to send prophets to do that consistently but the Israelites did not yield to the warning:

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it.  Look! Your house is abandoned to you" Matthew 23:37-38

From the above Jesus clearly stated that the Israelites as a nation has been condemned by God for all their atrocities towards His prophets.

Kobojunkie:
Confusion? See this is why I hate religion. When caught in a lie, they resort to more lies and contradictions. The end of Jerusalem was prophesied from about 500 years before the fact. And throughout that period, literally prophet that was sent provided more and more details of what was to come, down to the battle at Megiddo to take place when all the nations would go to war only to lose. The Judaens new what was coming that is why they took to killing the prophets hoping to silence the voices of doom. And they knew they did not succeed at all when Jesus Christ of Israel showed up.

MaxInDHouse:
The whole nation was in confusion and the Pharisees were exploiting them as the people were eagerly anticipating a Messiah who will deliver them from the hands of their colonial masters (Rome)
So when they realize that Jesus was fulfilling some scriptures pointing to the Messiah they decided to make him king by force {John 6:15} but Jesus declined their offer.
WHY?
Because there has been destined a period of time God decided to give the nations to dominate the Israelites {Luke 21:24} it's when that time is completed that the Messiah could act as God's Executioner over the faithless people {Luke 19:27} until then God's people must humbly take the message of salvation to all the nations and see no one as enemies who is unworthy of salvation {Matthew 5:43-48} that is what the Jews doesn't want, they wanted God to destroy all nations that refuses to submit to them as they count themselves to be more important to God than all others.
So when Jesus said the nation and their temple has being condemned by God {Matthew 24:1-3 compare to Luke 21:20-24} he was quoting the scriptures as witness against the nation. God warned their ancestors that when the Messiah comes they must welcome all his teachings as God's word {Deuteronomy 18:18} and whoever refuses to accept him will be condemned {Deuteronomy 18:19} that is exactly what they did, they got really mad at him and condemned Jesus before Pontius Pilate saying they want him dead! Matthew 27:15-25
So don't be confused the nation of Israel has been condemned by God and any previous promises God made to them as been transferred to another nation producing the fruit of salvation {Matthew 21:43} Paul said this in his letter to Romans who accepted Jesus as the Christ explaining that all the promises God made to the Jews aren't meant for natural Jews but spiritual Jews that is people who became Jews by faith in Christ Jesus! Romans 2:25-29

Wisdom

Religion is the greatest form of stewpidity, I tell ya!🥱🥱

The entire chapter of Matthew 23 was directed at the teachers of the Law(religious leaders in Judea whose office was in Jerusalem). They are regarded as Jerusalem— a metonomical reference to the priests and the teachers of the Law used even by the Prophets— in the same context. Jesus Christ of Israel was not the first to use that reference. And the context of Matthew 23 reveals that the teachers of the Law of the time knew that the statements made by Jesus Christ of Israel were directed at them. So, the claim that the term, 2000 years later, suddenly regards all Jews as ridiculous/moronic! 🥱🥱

I'm quoting you to prove that you aren't a JW and that you are not Max as most Nairalanders often think so don't assume you are making any sense at all.

The Jews have built their own system of worship before the arrival of Christ Jesus and their expectation is that the Christ is coming to render all other nations slaves to them after killing all their rulers that is their interpretation of Daniel 2:44 but Jesus made it clear to them that they must first humbly go and appeal to all these nations before God will bring such judgement.
Jews were arrogant people so humility is the last thing they could think of yet it's written in their scriptures that their salvation hings on humility coupled with righteousness! Zephaniah 2:2-3

In fact after many have become followers of Jesus they still turned their backs on him claiming he's deluded in his teachings! John 6:63-66

So do you expect such arrogant ones to view Jesus as their Messiah?

Of course not these are the same people who later stood as false accusers against Jesus before the Sanhedrin claiming he blasphemed.

So you are wrong saying it's only the religious leaders Jesus was referring to as Jerusalem! Matthew 23:37-38

Kobojunkie:
Religion is the greatest form of stewpidity, I tell ya!🥱🥱

The entire chapter of Matthew 23 was directed at the teachers of the Law(religious leaders in Judea whose office was in Jerusalem). They are regarded as Jerusalem— a metonomical reference to the priests and the teachers of the Law used even by the Prophets— in the same context. Jesus Christ of Israel was not the first to use that reference. And the context of Matthew 23 reveals that the teachers of the Law of the time knew that the statements made by Jesus Christ of Israel were directed at them. So, the claim that the term, 2000 years later, suddenly regards all Jews as ridiculous/moronic! 🥱🥱

MindHacker9009:
No the Roman Empire invented Jesus Christ character is the Anti-Christ. The real Messiah has not yet come because when He comes:
There will be no more wars and there will be peace all over the world and He will make everyone to follow the true commandments of the True God of Israel.

If you want to know about the Real God of the Jews and Israel then start from here:

Zechariah 8:23
“In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gcwLuq95c

Ashkenazi Jews are not the children of Abraham they are mostly eastern and central Europeans who converted to Judaism they have no blood ties to the middle east and they worship Satan the messiah that they await is the biblical anti christ and he will be revealed to the world when they are done building the third temple in Jerusalem the Bible spoke about these false Jews in revelation
Revelation 3:9 (KJV):
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
The modern israel is a secular state while the Biblical Israel was a Theocracy

In the same way you can also say Christian converts today are not Christians because they are not the original Christians in Egypt.

KillerOfCrackas:
Ashkenazi Jews are not the children of Abraham they are mostly eastern and central Europeans who converted to Judaism they have no blood ties to the middle east and they worship Satan the messiah that they await is the biblical anti christ and he will be revealed to the world when they are done building the third temple in Jerusalem the Bible spoke about these false Jews in revelation
Revelation 3:9 (KJV):
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
The modern israel is a secular state while the Biblical Israel was a Theocracy