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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by AlphaTaikun: 2:45pm On Mar 12

SpreshMan:
I recently got conditional offers from most schools in the Uk, one is starting in May and I have also deferred one to the September but my mind wants to go for the one in May.

However the kinds of arguments I read online about whether or not Japa is worth has got me confused.

I know about minimum wage being about 12-15 pounds and maximum of 20 hours per week, I know work visa after graduation has been reduced to 18 months and even the condition for ILR being extended last year.

So I’m seeking advise from people would be Honest whether it would be worth it to spend around 21 million to embark on this journey and still have a debt of close to 10 million naira since I’m paying half of the school fees. Will it be worth it ?

Are the people preaching against japa being honest ?

21 million is a lot of money. If you don't things figured out yet, do NOT rush but get all the specifics right. Take into consideration that there's global anti-immigration going on in a lot of European, North American and Asian countries such as Japan where the current government in Japan was elected based on the strong anti-immigration by Japanese folks. People just don't want foreigners coming into their countries again to seek for survival.

I've read in the past about many Nigerian and Ghananian students who went to the Uni in the United Kingdom, United States, and other European countries but ended up returning to Nigeria and Ghana WITHOUT getting jobs in their fields of study. Most of them read non-STEM courses.

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by VanuatuWycombe: 2:45pm On Mar 12

I advocate you japa, if you:

- are younger than 30
- have transferable skills from Nigeria ( e.g. in tech, IT, health and social services.
- are studying or have studied in-demand course.
- are in introvert.
- love cold weather (can be colder than imagined).
- don’t love freedom.
- love to be lonely.
- enjoy seeing empty streets.
- won’t miss your home.
- love to read for tests and assignments, group works, presentations, exams and other study rigor
- won’t be put off doing odd jobs.

And many more.

If you don’t tick all those boxes above, I will advise you abort the mission of studying abroad.
You can invest part of your money and still live fine in Nigeria, without entering trouble. Just check your lifestyle.

I have tasted both sides of life (and I still taste it) and I can tell you for free that you don’t need to travel abroad to lead a better life.

I also schooled abroad too.

A mini bakery business, from comfort of your home, for instance, may spur you into financial freedom.

There are other legit active and passive businesses you could do, to multiply your money. I know small businesses in Nigeria who make N750k from N5million in a month and that’s after feeding and paying their staff from the money. They practically, pay no rent every month. Just don’t set up in Lagos. Look for cheaper cities and bubbling towns.

To fulfill your curiosity about abroad, get a visit visa from your money and spend like 10 days in your desired country then you can decide whether it’s what you will like or not.

Don’t be cajoled by the clean rooms and posh environment you see on social media. Or be fo0 led that you can visit 27 countries in Schengen zone. You won’t have time to visit 2 countries till your visa will expire.

The last 2 years I spent in Nigeria exposed me to a lot of opportunities that we Nigerians don’t see. I have even warned my families that I can go back to Nigeria anytime. Whoever wants to go with me can go. Whoever doesn’t want to go can remain. Na only one life I get.

There’s nothing in being a second citizen, even though you carry their passport.

Our systems don’t work 100% in Nigeria though, but you can avoid using a lot of those systems because Nigeria has given you alternatives. You may rarely get such opportunity in the country you are going.

While in Nigeria, just make sure you don’t get into trouble with civilian or government agencies, maintain better hygiene, to avoid falling sick and spending on hospital bills, eat healthy, be frugal, don’t be flamboyant, avoid costly education for your children, be safety conscious, and many more.

Summary: don’t go and waste that money on study visa, rather invest in Nigeria. You can be visiting abroad, after your business is well established.

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by zionstaar75(m): 2:47pm On Mar 12

SpreshMan:
I recently got conditional offers from most schools in the Uk, one is starting in May and I have also deferred one to the September but my mind wants to go for the one in May.

However the kinds of arguments I read online about whether or not Japa is worth has got me confused.

I know about minimum wage being about 12-15 pounds and maximum of 20 hours per week, I know work visa after graduation has been reduced to 18 months and even the condition for ILR being extended last year.

So I’m seeking advise from people would be Honest whether it would be worth it to spend around 21 million to embark on this journey and still have a debt of close to 10 million naira since I’m paying half of the school fees. Will it be worth it ?

Are the people preaching against japa being honest ?

i can tell you categorically that you will regret it.3 of my siblings did masters in the UK,
My eldest brother had to go bring my last born home after he collapsed in the cold room where he was working with a master's degree.i won't even go if the tuition is free.japa is just a pure inferiority complex issue.i am spending the rest of my life in Nigeria, period

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by Bullman(m): 2:51pm On Mar 12

rickpat:
It maybe worth it at the long run....but honestly if you can get a work visa in a "smaller European country" with low cost of living its far better,even though their minimum wage is low,remember cost of living is still very low...at least you save about 15m from your 21m in your account in case of anything you have funds to fall back to,and lastly you don't owe any 10m debt...

For the UK, like two years would be very very tough for you before you become stable financially

Bros this is the best advice here .
Try and get a work visa to countries in Europe with an average economy. Eg Romania , Poland , Estonia, Latvia , Hungary, you will not earn as much as u ought to earn in the u.k , and you will not spend as much as u ought to spend living in the u.k Romania minimum wage is about 1000euro , for unskilled jobs u earn about ,700 euro it is more when you convert it to the Romania leu.. racism almost doesn't happen over there .. if you don't want to go to eastern Europe , your best bet should be Portugal.. low cost of living , low salary , laid back lifestyle and about 80% of Portuguese citizen speak English . You can process both Romania and Portugal without owning any debt with what you are having currently.

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by ariesbull: 2:54pm On Mar 12

How many japa people are rich ?

martius101:
.my honest advise for you is to JP....there are loads of opportunities over there with good pay....u fit invest that money for naija make u later cry oo...thank me later

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by ariesbull: 2:55pm On Mar 12

They will just waste their lives doing low jobs like care and janitorial works

zionstaar75:
i can tell you categorically that you will regret it.3 of my siblings did masters in the UK,
My eldest brother had to go bring my last born home after he collapsed in the cold room where he was working with a master's degree.i won't even go if the tuition is free.japa is just a pure inferiority complex issue.i am spending the rest of my life in Nigeria, period

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by ariesbull: 2:57pm On Mar 12

Exactly...I lined outside Nigeria too and I advised him but he can make mistakes and regret later

VanuatuWycombe:
I advocate you japa, if you:

- are younger than 30
- have transferable skills from Nigeria ( e.g. in tech, IT, health and social services.
- are studying or have studied in-demand course.
- are in introvert.
- love cold weather (can be colder than imagined).
- don’t love freedom.
- love to be lonely.
- enjoy seeing empty streets.
- won’t miss your home.
- love to read for tests and assignments, group works, presentations, exams and other study rigor
- won’t be put off doing odd jobs.

And many more.

If you don’t tick all those boxes above, I will advise you abort the mission of studying abroad.
You can invest part of your money and still live fine in Nigeria, without entering trouble. Just check your lifestyle.

I have tasted both sides of life (and I still taste it) and I can tell you for free that you don’t need to travel abroad to lead a better life.

I also schooled abroad too.

A mini bakery business, from comfort of your home, for instance, may spur you into financial freedom.

There are other legit active and passive businesses you could do, to multiply your money. I know small businesses in Nigeria who make N750k from N5million in a month and that’s after feeding and paying their staff from the money. They practically, pay no rent every month. Just don’t set up in Lagos. Look for cheaper cities and bubbling towns.

To fulfill your curiosity about abroad, get a visit visa from your money and spend like 10 days in your desired country then you can decide whether it’s what you will like or not.

Don’t be cajoled by the clean rooms and posh environment you see on social media. Or be fo0 led that you can visit 27 countries in Schengen zone. You won’t have time to visit 2 countries till your visa will expire.

The last 2 years I spent in Nigeria exposed me to a lot of opportunities that we Nigerians don’t see. I have even warned my families that I can go back to Nigeria anytime. Whoever wants to go with me can go. Whoever doesn’t want to go can remain. Na only one life I get.

There’s nothing in being a second citizen, even though you carry their passport.

Our systems don’t work 100% in Nigeria though, but you can avoid using a lot of those systems because Nigeria has given you alternatives. You may rarely get such opportunity in the country you are going.

While in Nigeria, just make sure you don’t get into trouble with civilian or government agencies, maintain better hygiene, to avoid falling sick and spending on hospital bills, eat healthy, be frugal, don’t be flamboyant, avoid costly education for your children, be safety conscious, and many more.

Summary: don’t go and waste that money on study visa, rather invest in Nigeria. You can be visiting abroad, after your business is well established.

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by damble: 3:03pm On Mar 12

fattprince:
My uncle travelled to UK with his family last year February. I don't know but I'm not as excited if it was US he traveled to. I've heard about UK being harder to make money than US when I was in sec sch which was more than 17 years ago. And most of my make in sec sch school then are all in UK, I mean I know at least 12 that are there or visiting there. So I don't know but he's trying though, he has sent us money and especially to his mother even when nobody is pressuring him as they all feel he just arrived there. But I understand it's not easy over there so I'm surprised by the gesture too. I just pray he becomes stable as they packed everything with no mind of coming back soon
And I really appreciate him because he contacts us so frequently even more than families in Nigeria.

Please, be praying for his success. He's a good man. I have a biological sister that has travelled to a top A country, working as civil servants with the husband for more than 20 years now. The only thing they know how to do best is to discourage us from travelling abroad. No family member has benefited anything from them

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by kemunachimso: 3:06pm On Mar 12

If you can pay more than half of your school fees, then you are good to go. Only 20 hours will not pay school fees, house rent and transportation cost plus feeding,though feeding is the least.

The movement worths it 100%

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by VanuatuWycombe: 3:07pm On Mar 12

ariesbull:
Exactly...I lined outside Nigeria too and I advised him but he can make mistakes and regret later

I saw it in your comment. Lots of them don’t know this.

Once you are closer to 30 years, it dicy, except one is lucky or comes from a rich home. Otherwise, such a fellow will only be rolling in the their system and be counting time. He or she will think he is better than people in Nigeria ni but it’s a lie.
Lots of people back home have money than those abroad but they only love to complain to people abroad so as to get more from those abroad.

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by ariesbull: 3:15pm On Mar 12

Bros once someone is 30yrs above ...abroad isn't meant for that person... There are lots of disadvantages more than the benefits

VanuatuWycombe:
I saw it in your comment. Lots of them don’t know this.

Once you are closer to 30 years, it dicy, except one is lucky or comes from a rich home. Otherwise, such a fellow will only be rolling in the their system and be counting time. He or she will think he is better than people in Nigeria ni but it’s a lie.
Lots of people back home have money than those abroad but they only love to complain to people abroad so as to get more from those abroad.

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by Ghostofsparta1(m): 3:17pm On Mar 12

Either ways it's better outside with organized economy and government than ours.

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by ibechris(m): 3:32pm On Mar 12

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I just wish I could recommend his page to u...

I will update further.

Pls,try look into new Zealand.

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by gabbytabby: 3:36pm On Mar 12*

Required for success

1) Ideal Age 18 to 35. No age related expectations of respect.
2) Humble
3) Not ego driven can tolerate some level of disrespect.
4) Can ignore some level of racism
5) Check out accommodations and decide how you intend to fund this.
6) Self discipline around waking up on time and getting to work on time nobody has time for your excuses without this you become unemployable.
7) Learn how to drive and get your driving license before you leave Nigeria. This increases your employment opportunities and there is the option of taxi service where you start at your own time but you have to have money for car and running costs and respect for the rules of the road.
8 ) Be prayerful.
9) Abroad can be lonesome so keep busy, your school, work keeps you busy, shared housing and religious socialising all help to protect your mental health.

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by FatimaAbubakar(f): 3:37pm On Mar 12

SuprymBean:
The Japa(Modern day Slavery) group don't want Nigeria to progress.

Go and sit somewhere! What have the useless politicians done to better the country? That's your business. Japa must continue.

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by FatimaAbubakar(f): 3:43pm On Mar 12

ariesbull:
Oga use that money you want use pay school fees, air ticket which will run in mllions open up a business here in Nigeria.... Do this and work meticulously you will thank me later

People that control the world are the ones that build businesses and not the ones that earn salary...trust me if you go to UK you go regret am ! Nothing dey there

You are young now, you have the capital , invest and start up something in Nigeria ... At a time you can travel for vacation

Take a look around in your community, you will see the richest people in your community are those that made their money here , they live here and they are also having their own firms and businesses

Reserve this advice for your family members.

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by Empresa: 3:44pm On Mar 12

Honestly there's an atom of truth in everything you read out there. Personally I will advise to take the bold step into the future and not sit back like a coward.

But one bitter truth is Europe and West is a system. If you walk into this system without a plan, then you will work and feed only for the rest of your life.

Make sure you have a savings plan and a get away plan.

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by spiceadole(f): 3:53pm On Mar 12

SpreshMan:
I recently got conditional offers from most schools in the Uk, one is starting in May and I have also deferred one to the September but my mind wants to go for the one in May.

However the kinds of arguments I read online about whether or not Japa is worth has got me confused.

I know about minimum wage being about 12-15 pounds and maximum of 20 hours per week, I know work visa after graduation has been reduced to 18 months and even the condition for ILR being extended last year.

So I’m seeking advise from people would be Honest whether it would be worth it to spend around 21 million to embark on this journey and still have a debt of close to 10 million naira since I’m paying half of the school fees. Will it be worth it ?

Are the people preaching against japa being honest ?

Please japa.
I'm in the UK and leaving Nigeria is the best thing that I have done for myself and future generation

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by spiceadole(f): 3:55pm On Mar 12

damble:
Please, be praying for his success. He's a good man. I have a biological sister that has travelled to a top A country, working as civil servants with the husband for more than 20 years now. The only thing they know how to do best is to discourage us from travelling abroad. No family member has benefited anything from them

Because they are stingy, that's why.
They are enjoying premium life.. And don't want others to enjoy it as well.

I am in the UK with my husband and children... I will advise anybody who wants to leave Nigeria to leave.
Hell fire is better than Nigeria

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by LZAA: 3:58pm On Mar 12

Anybody advising you not to travel hates you with passion
Dats all
🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by Lastmessenger2: 3:58pm On Mar 12

SpreshMan:
I recently got conditional offers from most schools in the Uk, one is starting in May and I have also deferred one to the September but my mind wants to go for the one in May.

However the kinds of arguments I read online about whether or not Japa is worth has got me confused.

I know about minimum wage being about 12-15 pounds and maximum of 20 hours per week, I know work visa after graduation has been reduced to 18 months and even the condition for ILR being extended last year.

So I’m seeking advise from people would be Honest whether it would be worth it to spend around 21 million to embark on this journey and still have a debt of close to 10 million naira since I’m paying half of the school fees. Will it be worth it ?

Are the people preaching against japa being honest ?

guy you have 21m and you want to waste in uk? An unstable country? My brother sit your ass down and invest that money in nigeria

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by Lastmessenger2: 3:59pm On Mar 12

spiceadole:
Because they are stingy, that's why.
They are enjoying premium life.. And don't want others to enjoy it as well.

I am in the UK with my husband and children... I will advise anybody who wants to leave Nigeria to leave.
Hell fire is better than Nigeria

stop lying sister. The uk don cast

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by Kinkinatus(m): 4:21pm On Mar 12

During the school term, you work 20 hours per week, but during the school holidays, you can work all hours and as much and as long as you want.

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by sogamica(m): 4:47pm On Mar 12

I will advice you , if you have better things doing in Nigeria stay and focus on it, add that money to business and do sometin tangible UK is not like before If you can save 10M in Nigeria I can Bet it with you it will be difficult to SAVE sure in UK. But if you still want to come when it happens you will remember me, 80% are regretting there moves

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by Babaibe: 5:00pm On Mar 12

I am telling you be ready mentally and physically to take a leap. If you can raise 21m in Nigeria without hassle , I am telling you , you have biz abroad. 500K monthly in Naija without any heavy extended family burden is better than most of these countries we run too. You do physical work round the clock, tax is deducted by government, and yet 60 percent of the returns is expended on rent and utilities though you may recover if you can work extra hour but all this gradually take tolls on your health except if you are naturally fine.Outside insecurity Nigeria is very better most especially when you have money to run a monitored investment

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by martius101(m): 5:16pm On Mar 12

ariesbull:
How many japa people are rich ?

You define your rich....plus.... whichever way,the life over there is way better than what we have here ..

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by VanuatuWycombe: 5:57pm On Mar 12*

ariesbull:
Bros once someone is 30yrs above ...abroad isn't meant for that person... There are lots of disadvantages more than the benefits

Exactly.
A 30 year old white man abroad is already a father or mother and even senior executive in companies.
Most of Oyibos in their 40s are senior executives and are either grand parents or getting closer to being grand parents. They have greater responsibilities in their communities or societies while someone of 40 years in Nigeria has not even known his or her bearing and he or she is still trying to go abroad to start it all over again.

That’s why lots of us don’t fit into their systems and have to do jobs that are demeaning. Only less than 3% of immigrants scale that systemic hurdle.

So whoever goes to abroad in late years should plan not to stay longer. It’s just to gather some money and exposure and have some time to calm down and think of strategies to be used when such person gets back to Nigeria.

Abroad is already saturated. No development needed there again but only enhancement.

It is africa that needs development.

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by antontech(m): 6:12pm On Mar 12

SpreshMan:
I recently got conditional offers from most schools in the Uk, one is starting in May and I have also deferred one to the September but my mind wants to go for the one in May.

However the kinds of arguments I read online about whether or not Japa is worth has got me confused.

I know about minimum wage being about 12-15 pounds and maximum of 20 hours per week, I know work visa after graduation has been reduced to 18 months and even the condition for ILR being extended last year.

So I’m seeking advise from people would be Honest whether it would be worth it to spend around 21 million to embark on this journey and still have a debt of close to 10 million naira since I’m paying half of the school fees. Will it be worth it ?

Are the people preaching against japa being honest ?

why not Australia or It worst Canada?

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by rickpat(m): 6:30pm On Mar 12

I really wish he gets a work visa to one of the smaller euro countries....cus of his peace and mental health

Bullman:
Bros this is the best advice here .
Try and get a work visa to countries in Europe with an average economy. Eg Romania , Poland , Estonia, Latvia , Hungary, you will not earn as much as u ought to earn in the u.k , and you will not spend as much as u ought to spend living in the u.k Romania minimum wage is about 1000euro , for unskilled jobs u earn about ,700 euro it is more when you convert it to the Romania leu.. racism almost doesn't happen over there .. if you don't want to go to eastern Europe , your best bet should be Portugal.. low cost of living , low salary , laid back lifestyle and about 80% of Portuguese citizen speak English . You can process both Romania and Portugal without owning any debt with what you are having currently.

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Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by femi4: 6:33pm On Mar 12

SpreshMan:
I recently got conditional offers from most schools in the Uk, one is starting in May and I have also deferred one to the September but my mind wants to go for the one in May.

However the kinds of arguments I read online about whether or not Japa is worth has got me confused.

I know about minimum wage being about 12-15 pounds and maximum of 20 hours per week, I know work visa after graduation has been reduced to 18 months and even the condition for ILR being extended last year.

So I’m seeking advise from people would be Honest whether it would be worth it to spend around 21 million to embark on this journey and still have a debt of close to 10 million naira since I’m paying half of the school fees. Will it be worth it ?

Are the people preaching against japa being honest ?

UK don cast..go elsewhere

If you default in school fees, you ll be sent home

You can't pay school fees working 20hrs a week

No white collar job after graduation, why waste N20 million plus

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by ariesbull: 7:01pm On Mar 12

You can imagine a master degree holder or PhD doing warehouse jobs, Uber, janitors and switching 3 jobs different shifts at 54! They work their asses off till 70! And when they want to come back their kids wouldn't want to join them .... They lost from both worlds

VanuatuWycombe:
Exactly.
A 30 year old white man abroad is already a father or mother and even senior executive in companies.
Most of Oyibos in their 40s are senior executives and are either grand parents or getting closer to being grand parents. They have greater responsibilities in their communities or societies while someone of 40 years in Nigeria has not even know his or her bearing and he is she is still trying to go abroad to start it all over again.

That’s why lots of us don’t fit into their systems and have to do jobs that are demeaning. Only less than 3% of immigrants scale that systemic hurdle.

So whoever goes to abroad in late years should plan not to stay longer. It’s just to gather some money and exposure and have some time to calm down and think of strategies to be used when such person gets back to Nigeria.

Abroad is already saturated. No development needed there again but only enhancement.

It is africa that needs development.

Re: Anti Japa Crew Vs The Japa Crew, Who Is Lying? by ariesbull: 7:03pm On Mar 12

Way better by living in 6 x 6 box rooms and not affording Medicare and doing 3 jobs and getting back broken while still racking up debts from car loans to student loans to mortgage

martius101:
You define your rich....plus.... whichever way,the life over there is way better than what we have here ..

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