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Wotowotoman:
E pain am

You're acting very immature. Even if this is a faceless platform, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Please what is the name of the blood tonic?

Lagosians still survive and go about their daily activities as if nothing is happening.

Including those tied to bed for kidney and liver problem due to these fake drugs?

QuinQQ:
My friend 99% of the effect of these medications (like "blood tonic"} is PSYCHOLOGICAL. "Blood tonic" is iron supplements. A normal male very rarely needs extra iron. Almost 100% sure your experience with the medication is psychological

Hmm... Psychological how?
What of the numerous substandard and fake colas, fruit juices, wines, package foods and all cus they're 50% out there in the market especially this Lagos I am. What psychological effects does it too holds.

Mathewrichard99:
The fact that you have been consuming those fake and expired drugs for years without any physical repercussions doesn't change the fact that you are endangering your life silently on regular roller coaster.

More reason you see many Nigerians dying untimely death, fainting and wouldnt be able to wake up again.

More reason you see Nigerians alsays complaining of malaria and typhoid everyday and going for treatment.

You. Know what! Continuous consumption of those fake drugs does a lot on internal harvoc in the body. Most often, they lessen your humune system, reducing your ability of your body to fight off sicknesses that ordinarily your body would have fought off, protect you from.

Bro, fake is fake, expired means not valid, so should be trashed, dispose off...the manufacturers knows the harvoc of using them more than the manufacturer given date. So, always dispose off any expired drugs or whatever fake product you are consuming now.....

Don't kill yourself over expired and fake products....

Hmm.... Well said. But there's something I am expecting most of you to have deliberated on which you haven't.
I gave instances of the consumer market now having various products of Milk, Beverages, coffees, Noodles, wines, drinks and all.
In this different products, there used to be original ones which are now costly and expensive to some common man. Now the markets started having either fake or inferior and ardurated ones which are cheaper.
For example peak milk and milo, you will go to the market and see lesser products like that with no names and people still used them without any problems.
My question is, what now makes those inferior ones fake since they're serving same purpose as the one we thought is the original.

GorillaApp:
To answer your question, that a drug or product has expired doesn't mean it becomes bad immediately. What the manufacturer is only trying to say is that from this point forward, they cannot guarantee the wholesomeness of the product because it will start deteriorating gradually. Which may not be immediate. I have taken stuffs that have recently passed their expiry date without any issue though I am not asking anyone to do so.
As for fake drugs, that's a different issue entirely. It depends on the basic chemical compounds/ constituents. If it is harmful then it could spell problem but people should avoid fake products by all means necessary

Well said.

11doubledee:
Please there isn't any justification for consuming sub standard and expired edible products or promotion in anyway. Aside the deception,peoples immune systems are very different and varies from one person to another.
It is like consuming a spoilt orange or banana overtime and you expect it not to have a negative effect on your health.

Honestly I am not justifying using fake and substandard products. But the truth is they're over 50% of them now in our consumer markets which some of us maybe knowingly and unknowingly used.
And life is going and moving on for everybody. Infact what I am expecting you guys to say is: everybody's immune system reacts differently to whatever they take.
Like for example, I used to have a roommate who will finish a pot of beans and nothing will happen to his stomach. But I will take just a small plate of that same beans and I will be purging.

Kalulu44:
Hmm... Psychological how?
What of the numerous substandard and fake colas, fruit juices, wines, package foods and all cus they're 50% out there in the market especially this Lagos I am. What psychological effects does it too holds.

I'm talking of your particular experience with fake and non-fake blood tonic. You'd get the same result if you did not know it was fake - because it is psychological.

Different from poisonous fake or expired substance that can give you cancer or even kpai you immediately

nairalanda1:
expired products...the best before date is usually a 'guess' as to when they start deteroriating. (Experts say that expiry date means quality , not safety). Experts indicate that one can consume product for some time after the Best before date.(in some instances for even as long as two years after.)

Expiry date? That;s another matter...once something has passed the expirty date, please do not consume.

(Always check any product you use for the best before date and buy from approved dealers. NAFDAC also has the scratch code you can use to check product authencitity).

Personally, I err on the side of caution and throw out products past their sell by date. HOWEVER, last year I had a case of diarrhea, and it was the night, and all i had was expired flagyl. I took it, and it did help, and I didn't have my health worsen...though I did buy unexpired flagyl from the pharamacy the following morning...


N.B: This is my personal experience. AS MUCH AS EFFING POSSIBLE, DON'T USE A PRODUCT AFTER ITS EXPIRY DATE. PLEASE.


As for coca cola...so long as the alternative product is NAFDAC approved, it's good to consume (and it's even better we buy Nigerian self).

Hmm.... Thanks for your detailed analysis

11doubledee:
Please there isn't any justification for consuming sub standard and expired edible products or promotion in anyway. Aside the deception,peoples immune systems are very different and varies from one person to another.
It is like consuming a spoilt orange or banana overtime and you expect it not to have a negative effect on your health.

I was going to understand the thread until OP mentioned drugs. Ah. I am sorry Dora Akunyili, may your good work not die in vain.

Whatever enters your stomach must be treated with great care and caution. Fake drugs are like poison, please don't even entertain that thought at all. I know you said you don't take drugs but when you're understand how even pharmaceutical drugs have side effects, you don't want to try fake!!


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QuinQQ:
I'm talking of your particular experience with fake and non-fake blood tonic. You'd get the same result if you did not know it was fake - because it is psychological.

Different from poisonous fake or expired substance that can give you cancer or even kpai you immediately

Oh now I get you. In your summary it means "wetin I no know about no fit kill me" and that's psychology, respect I got you.

How on earth you buy beverages that has no name. That's poison you are consuming bro.

Anything you are buying to consume into your stomach must have a name, address and batch and model number.

I know that some beverages companies sell beverages like cereal, sugar, milk etc.....in big bags to retailers to rebag amd sell to customers as they want and cheaper than the packaged one. Those companies have names and address and also the product has expiring date... If you ask the retailers, they would provide the expiring date for you cos. It's written on the side of the packaging bag....

Those big bags from the company has expiring date and the products aren't inferior, only that packaging is different cos of the mode of selling to the retailers........

Kalulu44:
Hmm.... Well said. But there's something I am expecting most of you to have deliberated on which you haven't.
I gave instances of the consumer market now having various products of Milk, Beverages, coffees, Noodles, wines, drinks and all.
In this different products, there used to be original ones which are now costly and expensive to some common man. Now the markets started having either fake or inferior and ardurated ones which are cheaper.
For example peak milk and milo, you will go to the market and see lesser products like that with no names and people still used them without any problems.
My question is, what now makes those inferior ones fake since they're serving same purpose as the one we thought is the original.

Mathewrichard99:
How on earth you buy beverages that has no name. That's poison you are consuming bro.

Anything you are buying to consume into your stomach must have a name, address and batch and model number.

I know that some beverages companies sell beverages like cereal, sugar, milk etc.....in big bags to retailers to rebag amd sell to customers as they want and cheaper than the packaged one.

Those big bags from the company has expiring date and the products aren't inferior, only that packaging is different cos of the mode of selling to the retailers........

I am not and will not buy a product without a name. Infact if I want to drink tea now, I go for the tested and trusted names like Peak milk, Bournvita or Milo.
But while at the markets, we see people buying milks or chocolates that's tied in cellophane bags. Even in my area I see family using this types of package milk and chocolate for their morning tea cus it's affordable and in quantity to satisfy the family. An average or poor family of 4, 5 or 6 can't afford the peak and Milo of this world for their quality tea, so they buy those ones I mentioned. And we still see majority of this families kicking on fine.
How about that?

Kalulu44:
Oh now I get you. In your summary it means "wetin I no know about no fit kill me" and that's psychology, respect I got you.

Not quite what I mean but OK.
If you drink coloured watet believing it is a powrrful drug thst cures headache, it will cure your headache.
It is called placebo effect

QuinQQ:
Not quite what I mean but OK.
If you drink coloured watet believing it is a powrrful drug thst cures headache, it will cure your headache.
It is called placebo effect

Hahahaha, like having faith something will work. Ok, I really got you now

Those are the ones am talking about when I said they buy them in big bags like in 50kg bags of powdered milk, 50kg bag of powdered Chocolate drink, 50Kg bag of corn flakes.....you can buy all these from the manufacturing companies of you are a customer to them. They would sell to you in those big bags with names, date of expiring and production etc....while you sell in retail to your own customer in those small small quantity that you used to see...and it's just a way of alleviating poverty by selling small small quantity that your money can buy......hope you. Understand??

It's not a fake products or expired products.........however, you still need to be careful since you ain't the one buying directly from the manufacturers and wouldn't know the date of production or expiring date. The best you can do to be careful is to ask for the production and expiring date while buying......

Kalulu44:
I am not and will not buy a product without a name. Infact if I want to drink tea now, I go for the tested and trusted names like Peak milk, Bournvita or Milo.
But while at the markets, we see people buying milks or chocolates that's tied in cellophane bags. Even in my area I see family using this types of package milk and chocolate for their morning tea cus it's affordable and in quantity to satisfy the family. An average or poor family of 4, 5 or 6 can't afford the peak and Milo of this world for their quality tea, so they buy those ones I mentioned. And we still see majority of this families kicking on fine.
How about that?

Kalulu44:
Hmm.... Well said. But there's something I am expecting most of you to have deliberated on which you haven't.
I gave instances of the consumer market now having various products of Milk, Beverages, coffees, Noodles, wines, drinks and all.
In this different products, there used to be original ones which are now costly and expensive to some common man. Now the markets started having either fake or inferior and ardurated ones which are cheaper.
For example peak milk and milo, you will go to the market and see lesser products like that with no names and people still used them without any problems.
My question is, what now makes those inferior ones fake since they're serving same purpose as the one we thought is the original.

Different factors but let me mention two.
One, many of the products you refer to are best before, diluted or lesser quality. It's like building with less quality materials. It's a short cut disaster waiting to happen. Most of those things take effect over decades and generations, not one day. Like air pollution. The society starts feeling it some 40 years later and may not even trace the cause. You can start seeing many young people with failed kidneys, heart disease, hearing loss, etc. Children being born with strange ailments and conditions.
Two, the human body is fearfully made to take a lot. We call it adaptation. It's like someone living somewhere for years without any problems, and then he relocates and start experiencing all kinds of medical issues or even dies. See mental people eating and drinking nonsense and living in very dirty conditions and they behave even stronger than the people eating balanced diet. The problem is usually when most of those people change conditions for better, maybe relocate, get a good job, travel out, etc. All the body starts shutting down. All kinds of sickness start cropping up. Again it's usually a disaster waiting to happen. Don't relax inside such condition.

Mathewrichard99:
Those are the ones am talking about when I said they buy them in big bags like in 50kg bags of powdered milk, 50kg bag of powdered Chocolate drink, 50Kg bag of corn flakes.....you can buy all these from the manufacturing companies of you are a customer to them. They would sell to you in those big bags with names, date of expiring and production etc....while you sell in retail to your own customer in those small small quantity that you used to see...and it's just a way of alleviating poverty by selling small small quantity that your money can buy......hope you. Understand??

It's not a fake products or expired products.........however, you still need to be careful since you ain't the one buying directly from the manufacturers and wouldn't know the date of production or expiring date. The best you can do to be careful is to ask for the production and expiring date while buying......

Exactly the ones I am talking about. I do see most of them from the 50kg bags sell to people who now package it in smaller unnamed bags. Majority of these products are good I won't lie, but it's still within that process some sell their fake and aldutrated products. In this Lagos I know many places most of this fake products are made and are sold to the markets. Surprisingly they are majorly made inside most of our military barracks called "mammy market".
So it makes it almost impossible for nafdac to go arrest them. And this products are in the markets serving purpose

Image123:
Different factors but let me mention two.
One, many of the products you refer to are best before, diluted or lesser quality. It's like building with less quality materials. It's a short cut disaster waiting to happen. Most of those things take effect over decades and generations, not one day. Like air pollution. The society starts feeling it some 40 years later and may not even trace the cause. You can start seeing many young people with failed kidneys, heart disease, hearing loss, etc. Children being born with strange ailments and conditions.
Two, the human body is fearfully made to take a lot. We call it adaptation. It's like someone living somewhere for years without any problems, and then he relocates and start experiencing all kinds of medical issues or even dies. See mental people eating and drinking nonsense and living in very dirty conditions and they behave even stronger than the people eating balanced diet. The problem is usually when most of those people change conditions for better, maybe relocate, get a good job, travel out, etc. All the body starts shutting down. All kinds of sickness start cropping up. Again it's usually a disaster waiting to happen. Don't relax inside such condition.

Hmm... Well said, but the economy situation of the country will make people continue using those products, not minding whether the effects will happen now or in years to come. But to me if the effects starts happening when you're above 60 or 70, then I don't see any issues in them. Just my own thinking

Kalulu44:
Hmm... Well said, but the economy situation of the country will make people continue using those products, not minding whether the effects will happen now or in years to come. But to me if the effects starts happening when you're above 60 or 70, then I don't see any issues in them. Just my own thinking

People usually like shortcuts until it burns, plus our bodies are different. What one person had absolutely no reaction to, another person may die from it.

Image123:
People usually like shortcuts until it burns, plus our bodies are different. What one person had absolutely no reaction to, another person may die from it.

Exactly, this is the main point I want to hear. Our system reacts differently to everything we take. Smokers dies young but they're many 60,70,80yrs smokers out there.
I for example will purge with a plate of porridge beans, but I once have a roommate who will finish one pot at a go and nothing will do his stomach

[b]Exactly.....howevee, you can still help nafdac by giving them information of the location anonymously. It's better to inform the Nafdac cos of innocent Nigerians that would be buying without knowing the poison they are buying. These people can even mix the good ones bought from the company together with the fake or adulterated ones......please inform NAFDAC.....just send a mail and give the address of the place.....that's it....

[b]NAFDAC's general contact email for enquiries is nafdac@nafdac.gov.ng, while complaints can be directed to complaints@nafdac.gov.ng or reforms@nafdac.gov.ng. For reporting counterfeit products, use sf.alert@nafdac.gov.ng. Regional offices, such as Lagos (lagos@nafdac.gov.ng), also have dedicated emails.

nafdac contact email


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NAFDAC's general contact email for enquiries is nafdac@nafdac.gov.ng, while complaints can be directed to complaints@nafdac.gov.ng or reforms@nafdac.gov.ng. For reporting counterfeit products, use sf.alert@nafdac.gov.ng. Regional offices, such as Lagos (lagos@nafdac.gov.ng), also have dedicated emails.
NAFDAC
NAFDAC

4 Key NAFDAC Contact Emails:
General Enquiries: nafdac@nafdac.gov.ng
Complaints/Reforms: complaints@nafdac.gov.ng or reforms@nafdac.gov.ng
Substandard/Falsified Products: sf.alert@nafdac.gov.ng
Freedom of Information (FOI): foi@nafdac.gov.ng
Ports Inspection: ports@nafdac.gov.ng
Drug Evaluation: der@nafdac.gov.ng
NAFDAC
NAFDAC

6 Regional Office Emails (Examples):
Lagos: lagos@nafdac.gov.ng
FCT Abuja: fct@nafdac.gov.ng
Kano: kano@nafdac.gov.ng
Abia: ABIA.EID@nafdac.gov.ng
For immediate support, you can also use their toll-free hotlines: 0700-1-NAFDAC (0700-1-623322). [/b]
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Kalulu44:
Exactly the ones I am talking about. I do see most of them from the 50kg bags sell to people who now package it in smaller unnamed bags. Majority of these products are good I won't lie, but it's still within that process some sell their fake and aldutrated products. In this Lagos I know many places most of this fake products are made and are sold to the markets. Surprisingly they are majorly made inside most of our military barracks called "mammy market".
So it makes it almost impossible for nafdac to go arrest them. And this products are in the markets serving purpose

Mathewrichard99:
[b]Exactly.....howevee, you can still help nafdac by giving them information of the location anonymously. It's better to inform the Nafdac cos of innocent Nigerians that would be buying without knowing the poison they are buying. These people can even mix the good ones bought from the company together with the fake or adulterated ones......please inform NAFDAC.....just send a mail and give the address of the place.....that's it....

[b]NAFDAC's general contact email for enquiries is nafdac@nafdac.gov.ng, while complaints can be directed to complaints@nafdac.gov.ng or reforms@nafdac.gov.ng. For reporting counterfeit products, use sf.alert@nafdac.gov.ng. Regional offices, such as Lagos (lagos@nafdac.gov.ng), also have dedicated emails.

nafdac contact email


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NAFDAC's general contact email for enquiries is nafdac@nafdac.gov.ng, while complaints can be directed to complaints@nafdac.gov.ng or reforms@nafdac.gov.ng. For reporting counterfeit products, use sf.alert@nafdac.gov.ng. Regional offices, such as Lagos (lagos@nafdac.gov.ng), also have dedicated emails.
NAFDAC
NAFDAC

4 Key NAFDAC Contact Emails:
General Enquiries: nafdac@nafdac.gov.ng
Complaints/Reforms: complaints@nafdac.gov.ng or reforms@nafdac.gov.ng
Substandard/Falsified Products: sf.alert@nafdac.gov.ng
Freedom of Information (FOI): foi@nafdac.gov.ng
Ports Inspection: ports@nafdac.gov.ng
Drug Evaluation: der@nafdac.gov.ng
NAFDAC
NAFDAC

6 Regional Office Emails (Examples):
Lagos: lagos@nafdac.gov.ng
FCT Abuja: fct@nafdac.gov.ng
Kano: kano@nafdac.gov.ng
Abia: ABIA.EID@nafdac.gov.ng
For immediate support, you can also use their toll-free hotlines: 0700-1-NAFDAC (0700-1-623322). [/b]
[/b]

Lolz! Are you kidding me ni. Who told you Nafdac doesn't know about this locations.
All the reports over the years has yielded no results. I'm talking of inside a military barracks where most of the perpetrators are either the soldiers, their wives or relatives doing this things. You and I know nafdac can't go into those barracks to do shit.

Nice write up from the guy

My bro, I tire at this stage....God help Nigeria....Everyone should just be very careful.......

Kalulu44:
Lolz! Are you kidding me ni. Who told you Nafdac doesn't know about this locations.
All the reports over the years has yielded no results. I'm talking of inside a military barracks where most of the perpetrators are either the soldiers, their wives or relatives doing this things. You and I know nafdac can't go into those barracks to do shit.

I have to be very real with you: just because you’ve survived a few rounds of "pharmaceutical roulette" doesn't mean the gun isn't loaded. Thinking fake or expired drugs are fine because you didn't feel a side effect is like saying seatbelts are a scam because you once drove to the store without one and didn't die.

Kalulu44:
Good morning NL. I want us to calm down and discuss this topic very well. Do fake and expired products such as drugs and foods really harm us?
Let me start by laying some examples from my experiences. Firstly, I am not a drug/medicine/tablet taker or English medicine as most people call it. The only English medicine I take is blood tonic which was introduced to me some 10yrs ago by my late mum.
Apart from that, I prefer herbal medicine "agbo" than Panadol, paracetamol and co which has really helped me never to visit any hospital for over 30yrs and counting.
This blood tonic, sometimes I miss taking it for months and sometimes I take it steady for months. And with this I know how it works and improve my body when I do take it and how I emanciate if I don't take it.

Middle last year I was employed at a farm in a remote village in Ogun state. I couldn't find that blood tonic for over 2months, and luckily one day a guy started coming to the village on bike with pharmaceutical products and I asked for the blood tonic. He had it and when I asked for the price, he told me #1,600. I was shocked with the price cus I last bought in Lagos #2,500. I bought it and started using it. For the 6 months I spent in that village, I bought from him 4 times. And to be honest with you guys, the blood tonic works perfectly as it has been working for me over the years. But the unbeknown truth was that it was either fake or expired ones this guy is selling for me.
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Fast forward to earlier this year I was transferred back to one of the city in Ogun state. I went to buy this same blood tonic, and was told it's now #3,500. I exclaimed to the chemist, that I just bought this same tonic for #1,600 some weeks ago, he told me that must have been fake or expired ones. I then told him but it works perfectly without any side effects. He couldn't say anything but "e dey be like that sometimes".
That's scenario 1.
Some years back in Oshogbo I was working in a drink, wine and beverage store.

The owner of the store gives us most of the drinks to drink when they're about to expire or has expired.
There's a store where we keep drinks that has expired, and you can go take as much as you want. Though the owner always tells us to dispose of them if we don't want them.

We take as much as we can and dispose the ones we can. All thru my working there, not me nor any of my other colleagues complain of bad health, stomach pain or any other side effects pertaining to those expired products we used to take.
That's scenario 2.
Apart from this two scenarios, we or should I say I must have eating and drank so many things out there without knowing they're fake or has expired. And I still lived on strong and in good health.
I was born and brought up in Lagos, I can confidently say 50% of majority of things we eat and drink in Lagos are either fake, expired or adurturated. Why bcus I know majority of places this fake and adurturated products are being produce. But with this fake products seemingly out there in millions, Lagosians still survive and go about their daily activities as if nothing is happening. God forbid bad thing, if truly those expired and fake products are truly bad for health, won't we be hearing and seeing thousands of death everyday?
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Sometimes a product been cheaper than the original one doesn't mean it's fake, just that another company tries to produce another one affordable to the common man.
My best cola drink is coca cola, but they're different and affordable cola drinks in the market for those that can't afford coca cola.
So are other products out there which are inferior to the ones we thought it to be but affordable, does that make the inferior ones fake or not good for consumption?
Some families can no longer afford beverages like Milo, Bournvita, Peak Milk and co. But they're many alternatives out there that are cheaper and at the end of the day you that used Milo drank tea, and they too drank tea. Tea na tea!
My last thought, I am not in any way supporting fake and adurturated products, but with the prevailing economic hardship, I don't think we can do without them.
As far as they're not causing harm to us.
I made this post in respect to the thread of Nigeria customs seizing containers of fake goods worth over #6b.
The irony of it is, yes they're fake according to the customs. But will they destroy it, I am very sure 90% they won't.
They'll still recycle it and sell to their cronies and it will still flood the market.
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So guys I wanna hear your take on this issue regarding fake and expired products to our health and economy at large.

Those dates are there as a guide

Your safety isn't guaranteed after the dates

femi4:
Those dates are there as a guide

Your safety isn't guaranteed after the dates

Lolz

as69:
The blood tonic scenario tracks sha — most tonics are iron supplements and vitamins. When they expire, the worst that happens is they lose some potency. Not ideal, but not dangerous either.

The real problem category is antibiotics and antimalarials. A substandard antibiotic that's only 40% potency doesn't kill you immediately — but it also doesn't fully clear the infection. The bacteria survive, adapt, and pass on resistance traits. Over time the same drug stops working even when you take the genuine version. Nigeria already has high rates of antibiotic resistance partly because of substandard drug circulation.

That's the part of this discussion that gets lost. Fake Bournvita is annoying. Fake amoxicillin is a public health crisis in slow motion. E no be the same risk level.

The economic pressure argument is real though — nobody is disputing that. But the solution can't be "fake drugs are fine", it has to be better enforcement and affordable genuine alternatives.

A million thanks for your take. It shows you are knowledgeable in the health field to say the least.

In no way do I encourage anyone to take adulterated food/drink/medicine. However, just this morning as I was checking through my kitchen cabinet, I discovered that a number of roles of beverages (sachets) have expired since February this year. Unbeknownst to us we've been drinking tea from them ever since without any side effects.


So what do you think, do we have anything to worry as what is left is over four roles of ten sachets each?


Or should we discard them or finish what is left?


I also remember some years ago I went to buy water guard to treat my drinking water and what I saw in the market was expired by a few months. The marketer urged me to go ahead and buy it because the dates are simply there to make it easier for it to be sold that the date has no meaning. But I refused.


On a number of occasions I've seen people take expired drinks without any side effects especially if it expires with a few weeks/months