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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Alikoooooooooo: 5:23pm On Mar 22

highoctane:
I am entralled to hear from someone like you.
Bible Book of Genesis 3:15 answered your question.
Come back to study the Bible with a righteously inclined spirit, and a malleable heart.

Bros I cannot open Bible because you said I should open Bible say what the bible says here.

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by clockwisereport: 5:23pm On Mar 22*

christejames:
Wow 😱

Even Festus was also a member?

Yes
They got so many popular members and ex-members
Michael Jackson
One of Nelson Mandela's ex-wife
Notorious BIG
Venus and Serena Williams
Olavi J Matilla
The list is endless

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by highoctane: 5:24pm On Mar 22

2mch:
No government or hospital is going to stop you from killing yourself except you are a minor. That does not mean it’s right. If it was right or ethical, Jehova Witness will be pushing it on behalf of their congregation. Do you see your pastors show up and reject blood transfusion on your behalf? They can’t. They will get sued and arrested. So they advise you on phone to refuse and kill yourself. Between you and suicide bomber, what is the difference in that case? If the people laying such doctrine cannot show up to enforce it, that is cowardice and they are not fit to dish out such doctrines. Instead they leave their people to die in pain and alone for their own glory.

My people will say na who die, na him lose.

You contradicted yourself. So if an adult who is a Jehovah's witness with clear mind says I don't want to receive whole blood, but requested for better alternatives, why should a doctor say no?
Doctors who administer blood are antiquity.

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:25pm On Mar 22

MrEar:
The quote below is from Jehovah witnesses watchtower magazine of October 15 2000.
It is from a segment of the magazine called QUESTIONS FROM READERS. Take a look at what the leaders told their members:

I know their members may come to this thread to call the above quote a lie from apostates so let me drop a link to the magazine from their Website here.

Source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2000767

It is very sad and disheartening that some members in the past, particularly those who anticipated needing surgery, asked their leaders whether they could store their own blood for future use, only for their request to be denied and described as a practice that contradicts God’s laws.

This matter goes as far back as the late 1970s into the 1990s/2000.

Oga, your cherry picking one paragraph from a 3 page article is an attempt to mislead people.

This clearly rules out one common use of autologous blood—preoperative collection, storage, and later infusion of a patient’s own blood. In such procedure, this is what is done: Prior to elective surgery, some units of a person’s whole blood are banked or the red cells are separated, frozen, and stored. Then if it seems that the patient needs blood during or following surgery, his own stored blood can be returned to him. Current anxieties about blood-borne diseases have made this use of autologous blood popular. Jehovah’s Witnesses, though, DO NOT accept this procedure. We have long appreciated that such stored blood certainly is no longer part of the person. It has been completely removed from him, so it should be disposed of in line with God’s Law: “You should pour it out upon the ground as water.”—Deuteronomy 12:24.

In a somewhat different process, autologous blood can be diverted from a patient to a hemodialysis device (artificial kidney) or a heart-lung pump. The blood flows out through a tube to the artificial organ that pumps and filters (or oxygenates) it, and then it returns to the patient’s circulatory system. Some Christians have permitted this if the equipment is not primed with stored blood. They have viewed the external tubing as elongating their circulatory system so that blood might pass through an artificial organ. They have felt that the blood in this closed circuit was still part of them and did not need to be ‘poured out.’a

What, though, if the flow of such autologous blood stopped briefly, such as if a heart-lung machine is shut down while the surgeon checks the integrity of coronary-bypass grafts?

Actually, the Biblical emphasis is not on the issue of continuous flow. Even aside from surgery, a person’s heart might stop briefly and then resume.b His circulatory system would not have to be emptied and his blood disposed of just because blood flow had stopped during the cardiac arrest. Hence, a Christian having to decide whether to permit his blood to be diverted through some external device ought to focus, not primarily on whether a brief interruption in flow might occur, but on whether he conscientiously felt that the diverted blood would still be part of his circulatory system.—Galatians 6:5.

[b]What about induced hemodilution? Some surgeons believe that it is advantageous for a patient’s blood to be diluted during surgery. Thus, at the start of an operation, they direct some blood to storage bags outside a patient’s body and replace such with nonblood fluids; later, the blood is allowed to flow from the bags back to the patient. Since Christians do not let their blood be stored, some physicians have adapted this procedure, arranging the equipment in a circuit that is constantly linked to the patient’s circulatory system. Some Christians have accepted this, others have refused. Again, each individual must decide whether he would consider the blood diverted in such a hemodilution circuit to be similar to that flowing through a heart/lung machine, or he would think of it as blood that left him and therefore should be disposed of.

"A final example of autologous blood use involves recovering and reusing blood during surgery. Equipment is used to aspirate blood from the wound, pump it out through a filter (to remove clots or debris) or a centrifuge (to eliminate fluids), and then direct it back into the patient. Many Christians have been very concerned whether in such salvage there might be any brief interruption of blood flow. Yet, as mentioned, a more Biblical concern is whether the blood escaping into a surgical wound is still part of the person. Does the fact that the blood has flowed from his circulatory system into the wound mean that it should be ‘poured out,’ like the blood mentioned at Leviticus 17:13? If an individual believes so, he would probably refuse to permit such blood salvage. Yet, another Christian (who also would not let blood flow from him, be stored for some time, and later be put back into him) might conclude that a circuit with recovery from a surgical site and ongoing reinfusion would not violate his trained conscience.

As we can see, there is a growing variety of equipment or techniques involving autologous blood. We cannot and should not try to comment on each variation. When faced with a question in this area, each Christian is responsible to obtain details from medical personnel and then make a personal decision."

JW's as at then said it's a "PERSONAL DECISION".

Oga,is both of these 2 last paragraphs in your own post?
Why did you omit them?
cheesy

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:35pm On Mar 22

Stephen0mozzy:
Religion is the Opium of the Masses.
It's a wet dream sold to the poor to keep them from unseating the rich.

This review of doctrine came out of "societal pressure" NOT any revelation from God, so, for as long as you keep believing that a human being must be a conduit you use to access God, then please dhie for their ~~doctrines~~ a.k.a opinions.

This is the truth ooo.
In our Watchtower publication before the Internet came into being;
"As we can see, there is a growing variety of equipment or techniques involving autologous blood. We cannot and should not try to comment on each variation. When faced with a question in this area, each Christian is responsible to obtain details from medical personnel and then make a personal decision."

Una no dey read all our JW's publications , that is reason the News media will report what JW's have been doing since the late 1970s well into 2026 as "new policy shift".
No policy shift at all.
The update #2 broadcast was to serve as reminders to JW's worldwide.

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by highoctane: 5:35pm On Mar 22

Alikoooooooooo:
Bros I cannot open Bible because you said I should open Bible say what the bible says here.

Let me honor you. You're educated ain't you? But cannot read and been afraid of been mislead by the Bible ?
What a melancholy.
Read it your soul will be nourished

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Alikoooooooooo: 5:42pm On Mar 22

highoctane:
Let me honor you. You're educated ain't you? But cannot read and been afraid of been mislead by the Bible ?
What a melancholy.
Read it your soul will be nourished

If you can read ...... I said I will not stop being on Nairaland to read my Bible, if you have anything to say say it here. And also it could infer I don't really have the time to change my schedule for a scallywag

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:56pm On Mar 22

MrEar:
They are not "waking up" to anything.

The leaders of Watchtower are battling numerous lawsuits, the Biggest of them all being cases involving child abuse and they have lost millions of dollars.

They tried their best to hide these cases from their members, even going as far as discouraging them from acquiring a university education. (So they won't know how to develop critical thinking and research skills) But all of their efforts have failed. The Younger generation of witnesses are not as brainwashed as the older generation and many are leaving.

The doctrinal and policy changes currently occurring is nothing but damage control.

Pls stop deceiving yourself .
Oga,your claim is FALSE.
The This is the truth ooo.
In our Watchtower publication before the Internet came into being;
Perhaps at the time you were a toddler.

"As we can see, there is a growing variety of equipment or techniques involving autologous blood. We cannot and should not try to comment on each variation. When faced with a question in this area, each Christian is responsible to obtain details from medical personnel and then make a personal decision."

Una no dey read all our JW's publications , that is reason the News media will report what JW's have been doing since the late 1970s well into 2026 as "new policy shift".
No policy shift at all.
The update #2 broadcast was to serve as reminders to JW's worldwide.

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:59pm On Mar 22

buygala:
Opium of the masses

Sad stuff

Humans never learn not to blindly follow religion...As these JW people have now revised their rules on Blood donations,, that means that their followers who died while following their old doctrine, wasted themselves for nothing yes?

That was how that Jim Jones guy got more than 900 of his religious followers to commit suicide, all at the same time

Nothing was revised, pls get your facts from the right source.

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Emusan(m): 6:00pm On Mar 22*

Uk2026:
There is nothing like walking up now. Jehovah's witnesses never claimed to be infallible. They never their explanations of the scriptures to be inspired. They are humble and have consistently provided updates on their understanding of the scriptures. They seek to obey God first knowing fully well that obeying God does not require understanding everything fully at the same time. While people chose to ignore God's to abstain from blood, they chose to obey first and adjust when more light is thrown on it.

They never claimed to be infallible but they are the direct channels Jehovah, Jesus & The Holy Spirit is using to communicate to people today. Can Jehovah, Jesus & The Holy Spirit communicate error to people?

The are fallible but always using Prayer and the Scripture to draw conclusions. So, why using Prayer & scripture when you know you're infallible?

If they are fallible, why punishing their members on what supposed to be like an advice for the members?

If they are fallible, why not just tell your members that it's not instructions from God's word?

Yet they keep lying against God for their personal opinion hiding under accurate knowledge of God's Word and being directed by Jehovah.

The evidence is there that they are false prophet lying against God

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:04pm On Mar 22

MrEar:
Thank you jare.

I know you don't like it when I expose your organisation's dirty linen to the public.

Kpele. Don't cry. Keep waiting for permission from your leaders to live your life.

Hope you don't mind, this thread is now in front page for all to see.

Have JW's ever claimed perfection ?
No !
But what do you gain from making false claims ?

What we have been doing since the late 1970s well into 2026,you are deceiving yourself it's " new policy shift".
grin

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:08pm On Mar 22

chatinent:
That's why I left.

I like to think. I refuse letting others think for me.

Oga, @ John 5:19,what did Jesus teach you?

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by exe0(m): 6:10pm On Mar 22

MaxInDHouse:
Unah welcome to the market o!🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlsjWwHWP4M?si=oX3dg4QTA0H34dFO

He has said nothing

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Emusan(m): 6:11pm On Mar 22

Janosky:
Pls stop deceiving yourself .
Oga,your claim is FALSE.
The This is the truth ooo.
In our Watchtower publication before the Internet came into being;
Perhaps at the time you were a toddler.

"As we can see, there is a growing variety of equipment or techniques involving autologous blood. We cannot and should not try to comment on each variation. When faced with a question in this area, each Christian is responsible to obtain details from medical personnel and then make a personal decision."

Una no dey read all our JW's publications , that is reason the News media will report what JW's have been doing since the late 1970s well into 2026 as "new policy shift".
No policy shift at all.
The update #2 broadcast was to serve as reminders to JW's worldwide.

Lying liar!

The Watchtower 2000 magazine clearly go against STORING BLOOD FOR TRANSFUSION but here you are twisting the same magazine of your own organization.

"Occasionally, a doctor will urge a patient to deposit his own blood weeks before surgery (preoperative autologous blood donation, or PAD) so that if the need arises, he could transfuse the patient with his own stored blood. However, such collecting, storing, and transfusing of blood directly contradicts what is said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Blood is not to be stored; it is to be poured out—returned to God, as it were. Granted, the Mosaic Law is not in force now. Nevertheless, Jehovah’s Witnesses respect the principles God included in it, and they are determined to ‘abstain from blood.’ Hence, we do not donate blood, nor do we store for transfusion our blood that should be ‘poured out.’ That practice conflicts with God’s law."

You can keep lying to defend Watchtower but the same watchtower will keep exposing your lies.

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:11pm On Mar 22

GanagiBitrus:
If your Son had an Accident
&lost a lot of Blood
&to save his life required you as the father Transfusing your Blood
&there is no other Option to Save his Life
&you Refuse because you Believe you would Offend God by Transfusing your Blood .
&you Allow your Son to Die.

You be capital F-O-O-L 🤡

Oga, there is what is called "informed consent ".
It is your right to ask questions to understand the different options you should pick from.

Ask questions oooo !!

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Emusan(m): 6:14pm On Mar 22

Janosky:
Have JW's ever claimed perfection ?
No !
But what do you gain from making false claims ?

What we have been doing since the late 1970s well into 2026,you are deceiving yourself it's " new policy shift".

They are not perfect but punishing people for their imperfect doctrines, how does that make sense?

Do you even consider people who have lost their love ones against this imperfect doctrines?

Between, Jehovah, Jesus & holy Spirit supposed to be directing the Governing Body, so how can they make imperfect decisions?

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:16pm On Mar 22

OK nah!🤣

exe0:
He has said nothing

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by QuinQ: 6:16pm On Mar 22

Alikoooooooooo:
Bros I do business that runs into many figures I never ask for guarantors I just ask for the money. If you want to work for me I don't ask you for guarantors I set everything in a way you cannot cheat me or steal from me. If you do.... Good bye. I don't even know where my staff live and I don't care. With CCTV I can see what they are all up to. You steal from me I have your picture to trace you. Life is extremely simple

Different from rent. If a tenant doesn't pay he can legally stay in your building 4 years

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Votetinubu: 6:25pm On Mar 22

Best news for me this week,.only if it will work in Nigeria. Because I don't know if Nigeria hospital will keep integrity. This can work for even non Jehovah witnesses. This is where knowledge works and not all these Orthodox religions.

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:29pm On Mar 22

Emusan:
Lying liar!

The Watchtower 2000 magazine clearly go against STORING BLOOD FOR TRANSFUSION but here you are twisting the same magazine of your own organization.

"Occasionally, a doctor will urge a patient to deposit his own blood weeks before surgery (preoperative autologous blood donation, or PAD) so that if the need arises, he could transfuse the patient with his own stored blood. However, such collecting, storing, and transfusing of blood directly contradicts what is said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Blood is not to be stored; it is to be poured out—returned to God, as it were. Granted, the Mosaic Law is not in force now. Nevertheless, Jehovah’s Witnesses respect the principles God included in it, and they are determined to ‘abstain from blood.’ Hence, we do not donate blood, nor do we store for transfusion our blood that should be ‘poured out.’ That practice conflicts with God’s law."

You can keep lying to defend Watchtower but the same watchtower will keep exposing your lies.

Every watchtower edition has page, date & month &year of publication.
Nobody knows how Emusan invented his own watchtower quote.

Emusan go & watch the 17 minute jw broadcast Tv update #2.
Pls remember to screenshot the genuine Watchtower quote from the video.
Oga, you are deceiving yourself.

grin

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:31pm On Mar 22

Emusan:
They are not perfect but punishing people for their imperfect doctrines, how does that make sense?

Do you even consider people who have lost their love ones against this imperfect doctrines?

Between, Jehovah, Jesus & holy Spirit supposed to be directing the Governing Body, so how can they make imperfect decisions?

JW's are not the cause of whatever is paining you
I don't know wetin dey pain you.

We owe you nothing.

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by highoctane: 6:38pm On Mar 22

Alikoooooooooo:
If you can read ...... I said I will not stop being on Nairaland to read my Bible, if you have anything to say say it here. And also it could infer I don't really have the time to change my schedule for a scallywag

You're cordially invited to attend at any kingdom hall of Jehovah's Witnesses near you.
Free to attend
No Collection is taken
Dress code, any respectable attire within your community.
Thanks as you see to this matter

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:38pm On Mar 22

2mch:
Nothing ethical about giving gullible people advice that will cost them their lives. It’s also not legal to push such, in any place where there is a government. Which is why JW ask their members to personally reject it. If they tried to reject it on behalf of their members they would have all been rounded up and arrested. It’s not right, it’s not standard, it’s not ethical.

The laws says we can chose the medical treatment option we prefer.
Medical science has advanced & given us different treatment options to pick from.
Oga, why is that so difficult for you to live with?
Must everyone accept your personal preference?

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by MrEar(op): 6:39pm On Mar 22

Janosky:
For obvious reasons that OP conveniently forgot to inform you that this has been the stand of JW's since the late 1970's/1980s.
On this matter, there is no so called "policy shift" or "doctrinal adjustments" reported in the mainstream media outlets.

Anything JW's dey pain that man.

You have now been permitted by American men in Warwick to store and transfuse your own blood. Congratulations.

If not for the permission, JW pple go dey kpai like fowl. 🐓

Jehovah left you people in the dark but now the light is getting brighter.

😂😂😂😂😂

Congratulations o Mr MaxInDHouse. Permission to transfuse blood granted.

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by 2mch(m): 6:42pm On Mar 22

highoctane:
You contradicted yourself. So if an adult who is a Jehovah's witness with clear mind says I don't want to receive whole blood, but requested for better alternatives, why should a doctor say no?
Doctors who administer blood are antiquity.

There was no contradiction in my comment. In case you can’t read, the government will not stop you from killing yourself but will arrest your Pastor if they come and demand the doctor not treat you. Which is why your Pastor will send you that message by phone. If that doctrine was right, legal and humane your Pastor will come and fight for your right in the hospital.

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:44pm On Mar 22

Leilanjleeane:
Hudeyin, stop fighting the system that moulded you. Change is constant. It shows progression.
Transfusion from another person is what they are against

This is what we have been against as far as I can recall.

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Emusan(m): 6:45pm On Mar 22*

Janosky:
Every watchtower edition has page, date & month &year of publication.
Nobody knows how Emusan invented his own watchtower quote.

Emusan go & watch the 17 minute jw broadcast Tv update #2.
Pls remember to screenshot the genuine Watchtower quote from the video.
Oga, you are deceiving yourself.

I love this, which means if the quote is from Watchtower then it means you're lying and Watchtower has exposed you through their own publication.

Anyway, here is the link to the quote https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2000767

This is getting interesting

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Emusan(m): 6:47pm On Mar 22

Janosky:
JW's are not the cause of whatever is paining you
I don't know wetin dey pain you.

We owe you nothing.

He can't answer those questions because je knows the lies will be exposed the more.

They are not perfect but punishing people for their imperfect doctrines, how does that make sense?

Do you even consider people who have lost their love ones against this imperfect doctrines?

Between, Jehovah, Jesus & holy Spirit supposed to be directing the Governing Body, so how can they make imperfect decisions?

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:51pm On Mar 22

MrEar:
Congratulations o Mr MaxInDHouse. Permission to transfuse blood granted.

Always mentioning MaxInDHouse.
I'm really glad to know that the number of my fans has increased by one!😀

Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by MrEar(op): 6:53pm On Mar 22

MaxInDHouse:
Always mentioning MaxInDHouse.
I'm really glad to know that the number of my fans has increased by one!😀

You shouldn't be glad. You should be sad that some of your members died for nothing. 😂😂

American men in Warwick told them transfusing their own blood was against God's law, but God later changed his mind and told the American men to tell you it's okay to transfuse your own blood.

Congratulations ooooo.

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by MrEar(op): 6:57pm On Mar 22

Janosky:
Have JW's ever claimed perfection ?
No !
But what do you gain from making false claims ?

What we have been doing since the late 1970s well into 2026,you are deceiving yourself it's " new policy shift".

All I am saying is congratulations, you hear?

You have now been officially permitted to transfuse your own blood. In the past that was against God's law according to your American leaders. But thank God, God later changed his mind and inspired your Leaders through the holy spirit to permit you. 😂

All those people that died in the past, who probably asked if they could transfuse their own blood, they all died for nothing. 😭

Congratulations once again. 😅

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Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:58pm On Mar 22

MrEar:
Congratulations ooooo.

Thanks joo!😀

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