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IbnB:
So na neighbourhood watch that guy be...no wonder he want to die ontop APC matter

Who be neighborhood watchman and who be APC supporter? You no go borrow yourself sense abi

Brendaniel:
learn you people will not want to learn, just be following lies and propaganda and dishing out the same with high level of aro gance, that's how you people have destroyed the country with Tinubu...

I am glad you did this because it fully exposes the problem with AI.

I also did a search like you on "Tinubu in Pandora papers", I got a similar summary you did and on clicking the sources, absolutely nothing about President Tinubu in Pandora papers.

Instead, the BBC article went into detail about a "Mr Clean" who was a fellow Presidential candidate and was in there. Guess who that was?

Feel free to show the actual pages from the Pandora papers were he was mentioned because a previous Google search revealed nothing, same as a current one.

Be wary of AI and once nor, if President Tinubu was in the Pandora papers, you Obidients wouldn't have allowed us breathe.

Kalulu44:
I'm trying to understand your meaning

Rules are carelessly broken and the one paying the piper dictates the tune. With wealth, status or power the truth of morality is all play. Who's the judge from the household, to institutions, legislation, law and governance?

Many rather believe the lies for a century before using hindsight to consider the truth.
Oh oh. I'm in one of those moods

The rules are meaningless if the referee is dishonest.In Nigeria, years of dysfunctional systems have made integrity optional and corruption seem commonplace.
Therefore, the true question is were we never really honest in the first place, or did we gradually become this way?

Beg your pardon please

Brendaniel:
Is that why some of you decide to pick the worst leaders like Tinubu when it is time for election?

Even animals will look for the best among them to lead them, you will never find a gang of thieves or fraudsters giving their wealth to another thief or fraudster to manage, but when it comes to your country, you people look for the worst to hand it over to them...

I'm not here to call any politician a saint, but why not pick the ones with the least corrupt baggage to start from there and keep improving on the selection over time....

Why not pick leaders that will teach the citizens good examples?

Look at Tinubu, is he teaching Nigeria good examples?

Leaders teach and followers learn, so why not start picking better leaders who will start teaching the people good examples?

Let's even start from somewhere, I noticed people who support Tinubu use the word" All politicians are the same"

That sentence is just to create an excuse to pick the worst leaders either from their tribe or religion or for monetary gains...

But in reality not all politicians are the same, it is like a man who says all women are the same, we all know it is a lie, he is either using it as an excuse to date the worst type of girls, womanize, or justify his poor choices on the type of girls he has dated in the past.

Same goes for women who say the same and voters who support bad candidates during election.

You want Nigerians to pick the politician with the least baggage of corruption? It means you're supporting Sowore, right? Or you may give me some peak entertainment and tell me it's obi you were referring to.

Brendaniel:
Pandora papers no one in the world has been able to even take him to court for, who is the joker here?

Which means the "Yes daddy" call was real, too, cos obi has not had the balls to sue the paper despite his grandstanding when the report came out. Following your "logic".

Brendaniel:
The question is; who is going to pass such laws? the people we still pick, Let me tell you a short story about my secondary school days, I went to a private school from SS2 and I noticed the class was like the most un-serious class like between SS1-SS3, the SS1 and SS3 students were more disciplined than our class the SS2 class.

It was time to pick prefects when we were about entering SS3, the question now was who was going to be head-boy and who the we pick as prefects for each role.

Do you know within ourselves we picked our headboy, it wasn't the school that picked him, he wasn't the most brilliant, but there was something about him, he was like the most well behaved among us then, and we knew he will take the role seriously to show good example to the younger ones in the school.

So we had a good representation while other roles were shared by the teachers to each of us, but you see the headboy, we wanted someone that will show everyone good example not just brilliance in book, because some guys there were more brilliant than him then.

So what am I saying here?

Every political era has a class of leadership, in the Nigeria we live today the names you mentioned are the current SS3 class we have for leadership, we have to pick from them, regardless of how unserious the class might be looking, and it is very important we pick a leader among them who will show good examples to everyone better than the rest.

That's the reason why I still support Peter Obi for now, I've never called him a saint, but comparing him to others he is by far better in leading in good examples, we need a leader who can start teaching the people to do things right, I can tell you that after 4 years you will notice a change in people's behaviour and the type of leaders they will pick in the next election.

Imagine we have the likes of Peter Obi, Osinbajo, Akinwunmi Adesina like that in succession every 4 or 8 years, the leadership will keep refining, at some point you will notice people in general will start becoming less corrupt, because they want to be like their leaders.

And it will also send a strong message that good behavior pays, unlike Tinubu who is sending the message that bad behavior pays, that's partly why the corruption level is today under him.

The absolute joke of putting obi in the same sentence as Osinbajo and Akinwunmi Adesina. You lot's delusion is sky high. Lolz.

Ohyoudidnt:
Rules are carelessly broken and the one paying the piper dictates the tune. With wealth, status or power the truth of morality is all play. Who's the judge from the household, to institutions, legislation, law and governance?

Many rather believe the lies for a century before using hindsight to consider the truth.
Oh oh. I'm in one of those moods

The rules are meaningless if the referee is dishonest.In Nigeria, years of dysfunctional systems have made integrity optional and corruption seem commonplace.
Therefore, the true question is were we never really honest in the first place, or did we gradually become this way?

Beg your pardon please

Honestly, your quotes doesn't correlate with my post. I'm talking about how we as masses are no much different with the politicians we accused of corruption. We as masses are product and reflection of our leaders, but you deviated from the topic and start saying about "who pays the piper dictate the tune"
This doesn't correlate nah.

aswani:
I am glad you did this because it fully exposes the problem with AI.

I also did a search like you on "Tinubu in Pandora papers", I got a similar summary you did and on clicking the sources, absolutely nothing about President Tinubu in Pandora papers.

Instead, the BBC article went into detail about a "Mr Clean" who was a fellow Presidential candidate and was in there. Guess who that was?

Feel free to show the actual pages from the Pandora papers were he was mentioned because a previous Google search revealed nothing, same as a current one.

Be wary of AI and once nor, if President Tinubu was in the Pandora papers, you Obidients wouldn't have allowed us breathe.

The way you people lie ehn! lie seems to be like food for you people, it is as if if you people don't lie, you people will cease to exist.

This is one major reason I want Nigeria to divide, sharing country with people like you who will always defend nonsense, lie, support falsehood, sadly a lot of your type are from your region, the same 2 links that were referenced I clicked that brought out all these is what you claim you saw nothing...

Look at it very well it is the very link there in the Ai

https://thestreetjournal.org/pandora-papers-five-nigerian-politicians-with-undeclared-hidden-foreign-assets/

https://www.occrp.org/en/news/at-least-20-properties-in-the-uk-linked-to-nigerias-president-elect-and-his-associates

Brendaniel:
The way you people lie ehn! lie seems to be like food for you people, it is as if if you people don't lie, you people will cease to exist.

This is one major reason I want Nigeria to divide, sharing country with people like you who will always defend nonsense, lie, support falsehood, sadly a lot of your type are from your region, the same 2 links that were referenced I clicked that brought out all these is what you claim you saw nothing...

Look at it very well it is the very link there in the Ai

https://thestreetjournal.org/pandora-papers-five-nigerian-politicians-with-undeclared-hidden-foreign-assets/

https://www.occrp.org/en/news/at-least-20-properties-in-the-uk-linked-to-nigerias-president-elect-and-his-associates

Had a look at your links, why not send me something from Pandora papers itself where it shows his name explicitly, same as with Peter Obi, instead of links from other organisations looking to interpret what is in there.

Once more, you people fir don kpai us finish.

And it is rich of you as an Obidient accusing anyone of lying when we still here you guys shouting of stolen mandate.

Speck of dust, log of wood!

aswani:
Had a look at your links, why not send me something from Pandora papers itself where it shows his name explicitly, same as with Peter Obi, instead of links from other organisations looking to interpret what is in there.

Once more, you people fir don kpai us finish.

And it is rich of you as an Obidient accusing anyone of lying when we still here you guys shouting of stolen mandate.

Speck of dust, log of wood!

Why not send me Peter Obi's own section of the Pandora paper you claim you have seen?

Brendaniel:
Why not send me Peter Obi's own section of the Pandora paper you claim you have seen?

Even you can't deny that Peter Obí has his own special section in those papers?

And you know that too.

Corruption is a Nigerian,my brother. I no too like Tinubu but stark truth remains that if some of us are in Tinubu's shoe, we go do pass wetin im do,as in we go looooooooot shege comot our treasury eye

Kalulu44:
I'm not here to exonerate our leaders and politicians for their corrupt and wrongful leadership, but for us to reflex on ourselves.
We the citizens and masses pointing fingers at our leaders for being corrupt. Are we not a product and reflection of our leaders.
These leaders do not fall from the sky but live and grow up among us.
Every corrupt practices of our leaders started from each and everyone of us neighborhoods and communities.
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I rmbr years ago when I was in secondary school. Our principal said each and every class from JSS 1 A to whatever alphabet it ended till SSS 3 will have a group photograph that will be kept in her office for reference sake.
A photographer was contracted who charged #100 for each group photograph.
Our principal beat the price to #50 telling the photographer that it's a bulk photographs that will fetch him more money than just one single photo.
The photographer agrees and a day was set when he will come and starts his work.
Guess what, our principal and teachers collabo and charge each students #20 each.
Just imagine! A class of 30 (And we are above that back then) will be paying #600 for a group photograph of #50.
Can you see the corruption?
It didn't end there, a friend of mine told me categorically that he told his mum that our principal said we should pay #50 for the photograph and he inturn overheard his mum tell his father it's #100, lolz! You guys can see how the corruption is circulating both from familes to school teachers who's supposed to teach us morals.
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Another example which till today still makes me laugh and shook my head was when I was in SS1, the son of our landlord who we are in the same school and set but not in same class, came to me one day and said if his dad should called me to ask of so so something that I should support him and tell his dad same thing he said. I asked him what is it?
He said the Biology text book they said we should buy, that he split the name to two and told his father that we are asked to buy BIO, LOGY. His father our landlord being a stark illiterate who made his money from selling building materials gave him money for two text books that's supposed to be one, I shook my head in disbelief.
I told him plainly that I don't know if I can support him if his father should call me, he sha begged and begged me. I told him I have heard him, but luckily for him his father never called me.
You may say this are isolated cases, but I believe worse are being done that you and I don't know of.
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What of our workplaces, the cutting of corners, the bribing, the cheating of clients or ripping off our bosses. Presently I live and work in an environment surrounded by students and other youths who are 80% of them fraudsters or is it yahoo guys you call them.
They're not even ashamed or scared to say they're yahoo guys. You hear them nicknaming themselves "agba yahoo" "Yahoo pastor" "omo yahoo" "babalawo yahoo" and many other names. Where they're playing evening football, you see the ones who are not playing but watching discussing about different update and formats and about clients this and that, without caring who's listening or watching.
And all this are people who condemn and call politicians names.
Tell me if they're giving the opportunity the politicians have, they won't do worse. Cus it's already inbuilt in them.
So yes our politicians are bad and corrupt, but majority of us are all a product and reflection of them. Cus if not, I see no reason why a politician who has been indicted and convicted like James Ibori who came back from London prison and was welcome to his state like a hero.
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So before you point your fingers at Tinubu, Akpabio, Obi, Ameachi, Atiku, Wike and co for being corrupt. Have you checked yourself very well of having not commit a fraction of what they've done.
I rest my case!
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aswani:
Even you can't deny that Peter Obí has his own special section in those papers?

And you know that too.

And you cannot present it as proof?

Kalulu44:
Honestly speaking I grew up in the south west, Lagos to be precise. Back in the days of 90s and 2000s, discrimination and marginalization wasn't this pronounced.
I don't know how politicians used divide and rule to divide and cause problem between south east and west. But it's what it's, our eastern brothers too are not helping matters with their bossing attitude. They want to boss everybody anywhere they are.
And talking about having our own country, I haven't seen anything our present leaders have done to warrant hoping for the best if we eventually separate.
This are my honest thought

I've been quite busy, I would have broken down every piece you wrote here in details and why Nigeria is the way it is today under democracy...

Nigeria was more united under the military and more divided under the civilian rule because of the same ideology I am talking about

Kalulu44:
Honestly, your quotes doesn't correlate with my post. I'm talking about how we as masses are no much different with the politicians we accused of corruption. We as masses are product and reflection of our leaders, but you deviated from the topic and start saying about "who pays the piper dictate the tune"
This doesn't correlate nah.

My comment is a reaction to the outcomes that your post has clearly illustrated, where the rich and powerful make the rules, honesty is optional everywhere. This is not an exception, but the inevitable outcome of what you have described. The dishonesty of the referee is precisely why corruption is allowed to flow unchecked from principals, through parents, and all the way to politicians.