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Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by Offpoint1: 9:30am On Mar 27

reddingtonblack:
Tell me about it Bro ... even if you are printing money sef you will feel it

Bro on electricity you are not alone, hardly we dey see 2hrs light straight up for my side, then fit On/off 6times inside that 2hrs

Normally i dont complain about electricity outage becos i have Gen nd fuel was relatively cheap then, until Tinubu took that away

people say solar ... Aside its capital intensive, solar as its own downside esp. If you no see original install

I pity businesses owners even tho those ones tew will try pass the burden to clients

You see that on/off? That's what's driving me crazy! They'll keep doing 5 minutes on and 5 minutes off for over 45 minutes and finally off for that day until 3 later, repeat the same thing.

To get a solar that will really meet my needs, I need nothing less than 5m... If I see 5m na solar I wan go buy?

Man's fed up

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by richiemcgold: 9:35am On Mar 27

isArray:
Lack of electricity has been an issue in Nigeria for a very long time. If only the government will prioritise just that alone, but Nigerians are already used to that way of life and the government doesn't care

If any government can fix electricity problems in Nigeria, over 50% of our problems is solved.

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Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by nairalanda1(m): 10:08am On Mar 27

Reference:
What I am saying is simple. That the public has shown capacity to install and run 25,000 megawatts so the idea they are not capable or ready to pay for electricity when they are paying more presently through private power, more than the so called cost reflective rates is not true. The public ALWAYS pays it's bills. Your GSM example comes to mind.

So, why are you opposing and abusing me for calling for cost reflective tarrifs, if you say the public can pay?

Therein lies the issues I've got with you fellow nairalanders.

If Nigerians can pay, let them pay a cost reflective tarrif, and stop abusing those of us who call for it.

If they had the ability and opportunity to share this capacity and exploit economics of scale their own costs will be much less. In case you don't understand let me explain.

If I leave home for work and turn off my house generator, then I have 12 hours of idle capacity. That is a huge waste. If the generator remained on and I sold the power to a shop besides my house everyday then my personal costs will be less and over time I will recover my investment. Similarly when I leave the office and turn off the generator overnight that is capacity, investments lying idle for another 12 hours.

All that inefficiency is why private power is expensive and this is what government is for. To manage the resources of the people effectively and efficiently. To take from those who have excess and opportunity and provide to those who don't for a fee. This is the simplest logic. Government organising society. it is not rocket science.

It is the failure of the organiser over the years and decades to deliver corporately that has turned citizens to individualism. It is not a question of tariffs. I repeat people are generating their own power at a far more expensive rate that the Band A. That is why they are complaining. Organise us so that our expenses can come down.

So it is up to public power, government.
Organise yourselves. Get a product or service that works and people will abandon their expensively acquired and run private power stations and pay you properly. Block loopholes to theft and internal corruption and the system will work. GSM works.
Power can work.

If people had to build transmission towers for GSM folks, buy diesel for their base stations and guard them, how many people do you think will have phones. But that is exactly how disorganized the power sector is. Their ways are not straight forward in-service. How do you expect the public then to have first class corporate responsibility.

This is fantasizing.

All people need to do in this country is to pay a cost reflective tarrif so that discos and gencos would have the money to IMPROVE SERVICES

All this grammer you are blowing is not done anywhere in the world.

Power sectors that work work because people pay a cost reflective tarrif.

Food for thought.
If an estate of 100 houses were to go full solar power gen at ten million each. That is a massive one billion naira. Imagine what one billion will do to public power distribution investment in just the estate location. Imagine what 300 million naira will do for water reticulation for just that estate instead of everyone sinking boreholes. If the 100 houses had a security guard paid N50,000 a month. That is 5 million which can kit and care for a well trained squad of crack police officers, community police officers who will do a far better job.

Not relevant to the discussion.

These are the inefficiencies and wastes Nigerians are forced to endure because they cannot organise their corporate existence and run a government that helps them with the best services for the least cost.

[/quote]Then tell your government to remove subsides and allow Nigerians pay a cost reflective tarrif, since you say they can pay.

Companies and investors no go do anything for FREE.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by nairalanda1(m): 10:23am On Mar 27

israelmao:
Public water supply is no longer relevant to Nigerians because most Nigerians have their boreholes .The public power supply will soon get to that stage

No, it is because for decades most of you guys don't pay a cost reflective water tarrif. SO the water board does not have enough money to provide first class service.

Result, people spend money on boreholes.

Assuming that everyone paid a cost reflective tarrif, the waterboard would have money to pay for good enough service, and no one would be using boreholes at all.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by nairalanda1(m): 10:25am On Mar 27

tuoyoojo:
The legacies of the tinubu administration

Imagine if it was when tinubu was in opposition and these things are happening

Imagine the protest on the road

How the airways would be filled with rhetorics that tilimbu has the magic stick to make all our problems go away

So, basically, you are condemning the bad government of tinubu, which is good, while telling us to excuse the bad government of gej and pdp, and saying that those who protested then were wrong to protest...and that nigerians should not have voted APC in 2015 (I did not by the way, nor did I go for PDP ieither)...and instead tolerated PDP bad government apparently.

When I say you and the tinubu supporters are alike, you will start grumbling and shouting.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by Didijiji: 10:27am On Mar 27

nairalanda1:
So, basically, you are condemning the bad government of tinubu, which is good, while telling us to excuse the bad government of gej and pdp, and saying that those who protested then were wrong to protest...and that nigerians should not have voted APC in 2015 (I did not by the way, nor did I go for PDP ieither)...and instead tolerated PDP bad government apparently.

When I say you and the tinubu supporters are alike, you will start grumbling and shouting.

oga what are you saying?

stop been a chamelion on this forum

we know you support asiwaju abi na wetin dem dey call the hardship merchant self

yall keep destroying Nigeria... we are in it together

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Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by nairalanda1(m): 10:30am On Mar 27

ChristCee:
The many failed promises of Tinubu. If you can't make something better, at least leave it the way you met it. God bless Goodluck Jonathan wherever he is this morning.

For people that will quote me cux of Jonathan, I believe you are all seeing the sort of scandalous corruptions Malami, Emefiele and co performed under your darling Buhari? His Ruga plans, repentant terrorists saga and sorts. Even Tinubu only remembered El Rufai and Malami's corruptions when they became an opponent to him. Chai, God bless Goodluck Jonathan again

GEJ under whose government grid collapses were even far more than APC own self.

GEJ under whose regime, I had bad light in a whole FCT for months

GEJ who privatised power and then passed a law that stopped them from making profits (a law that tinubu and buhari have kept).

GEJ who did not even invest in transmisison (Buhari, as bad as he is, and he was bad, did at least get a deal with Siemens to improve the thing).

GEJ who ran a regime that was as corrupt as buhari, tinubu and all of those before them

GEJ Under whose regime that bombing and insecurity was a way of life.

I'm sure you go tell us all those problems were caused by the Fulanis to sabotage his regime.

LOL...and before you start, APC and tinubu were voted to change things, and as you can see they have made it worse. BUT LET US NOT LIE ABOUT WHY PEOPLE VOTED FOR APC IN 2015...bad government of PDP.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by nairalanda1(m): 10:34am On Mar 27

Didijiji:
oga what are you saying?

stop been a chamelion on this forum

That you cannot condemm the bad government of tinubu and excuse the bad government of GEJ . Is it too difficult for you.

we know you support asiwaju abi na wetin dem dey call the hardship merchant self

yall keep destroying Nigeria... we are in it together

So, everyone who does not think as you do supports Tinubu.

You think I support a man who did not diversify our economy, is responsible for the unproductive nature of our economy, has issues from the 1980s and 90S , also has not answered the alpha beta thing, and has not made our economy a manufacturing economy, and was opposing subsidy removal in 2012, when it was clear that it had to go?

Seriously man, you really should check your thinking.

APC is bad, as was PDP. If it makes you cry, sorry. grin

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by Duplex90: 10:38am On Mar 27

These ones no concern who them done give bag of rice.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by isArray: 10:44am On Mar 27

richiemcgold:
If any government can fix electricity problems in Nigeria, over 50% of our problems is solved.

Yeah, that should be a priority for a serious government

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by isArray: 10:48am On Mar 27

nairalanda1:
GEJ under whose government grid collapses were even far more than APC own self.

GEJ under whose regime, I had bad light in a whole FCT for months

GEJ who privatised power and then passed a law that stopped them from making profits (a law that tinubu and buhari have kept).

GEJ who did not even invest in transmisison (Buhari, as bad as he is, and he was bad, did at least get a deal with Siemens to improve the thing).

GEJ who ran a regime that was as corrupt as buhari, tinubu and all of those before them

GEJ Under whose regime that bombing and insecurity was a way of life.

I'm sure you go tell us all those problems were caused by the Fulanis to sabotage his regime.

LOL...and before you start, APC and tinubu were voted to change things, and as you can see they have made it worse. BUT LET US NOT LIE ABOUT WHY PEOPLE VOTED FOR APC IN 2015...bad government of PDP.

This is not even a PDP vs APC thing, if you listen to Fela track - "Just like that" he mentioned how the leaders built kainji dam and electricity became bad. Regardless of whichever party is in power, the impact of good governance will be felt by everyone same as the impact of bad governance. It's the political class vs common people at the of the day

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by Didijiji: 11:00am On Mar 27

nairalanda1:
That you cannot condemm the bad government of tinubu and excuse the bad government of GEJ . Is it too difficult for you.

So, everyone who does not think as you do supports Tinubu.

You think I support a man who did not diversify our economy, is responsible for the unproductive nature of our economy, has issues from the 1980s and 90S , also has not answered the alpha beta thing, and has not made our economy a manufacturing economy, and was opposing subsidy removal in 2012, when it was clear that it had to go?

Seriously man, you really should check your thinking.

APC is bad, as was PDP. If it makes you cry, sorry.

we can align now

You have cleared the air properly

my bad... apologies

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by nairalanda1(m): 11:06am On Mar 27

isArray:
This is not even a PDP vs APC thing, if you listen to Fela track - "Just like that" he mentioned how the leaders built kainji dam and electricity became bad. Regardless of whichever party is in power, the impact of good governance will be felt by everyone same as the impact of bad governance. It's the political class vs common people at the of the day

The reason why electricity is bad is because since the 1970's we haven't been paying a cost reflective tarrif for power, maybe since earlier. The result is massive losses in the power sector which prevents them from improving things.

Government subsides are also awful, and irregular, which makes things worse.

The Ivory coast used to have the same issues as we did around the time Fela was singing his song. Today they don't because their government implemented cost reflective tarrifs over the board in 1993. (And the leader was Henri Bedie, who was very corrupt and also a tribalist, even worse than your average Nigerian tribalist in power). Result power improved. Same thing for Ghana.

Ironically, all the money we pay for generators and fuelling them, and even solar, could have, if they were paid to the power sector, imprved things.

Yeah, government wanted to make things easier for the poor...but as you can see, the road to bad power supply is paved with good intentions.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by isArray: 11:30am On Mar 27

nairalanda1:
The reason why electricity is bad is because since the 1970's we haven't been paying a cost reflective tarrif for power, maybe since earlier. The result is massive losses in the power sector which prevents them from improving things.

Government subsides are also awful, and irregular, which makes things worse.

The Ivory coast used to have the same issues as we did around the time Fela was singing his song. Today they don't because their government implemented cost reflective tarrifs over the board in 1993. (And the leader was Henri Bedie, who was very corrupt and also a tribalist, even worse than your average Nigerian tribalist in power). Result power improved. Same thing for Ghana.

Ironically, all the money we pay for generators and fuelling them, and even solar, could have, if they were paid to the power sector, imprved things.

Yeah, government wanted to make things easier for the poor...but as you can see, the road to bad power supply is paved with good intentions.

People would find alternatives if the government refuse to do their job, that's where generators and solar come in, what are the good intentions if Aso rock is already planning solar installations? The people will feel it if the government is trying to make things easier, I can still remember struggling to get petrol at #65/L years ago 😅, I don't live in Nigeria anymore but I can't stomach dropping almost about #1400/L now

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by nairalanda1(m): 11:45am On Mar 27

isArray:
People would find alternatives if the government refuse to do their job, that's where generators and solar come in, what are the good intentions if Aso rock is already planning solar installations? The people will feel it if the government is trying to make things easier, I can still remember struggling to get petrol at #65/L years ago 😅, I don't live in Nigeria anymore but I can't stomach dropping almost about #1400/L now

Well, power has been in private hands since 2013, so what government needs to do is to let the power sector set their prices.

They haven't done that, so the power sector has been in a mess.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by highchief1: 11:49am On Mar 27

ironheart:
nice one. Ministry of power scored own goal on this one. Next year you will be using free electricity. Because in one year, you have offset the cost of the solar at 300k per month.

lol I have been using solar for almost 3yrs now.if u must survive in Nigeria u must go ahead of the govt.just like this fuel madness I have two corola in my fleet of cars.e no really Dey affect me.

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Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by killsmith(f): 12:00pm On Mar 27

Bluntemperor:
Rest and don't be Confused 😕.
Both are Important to Nigerians and your State is going to benefit.
If your Party -as A PDP Sympathetisers had built the Roads, APC, would Not been doing that today!
If your Party Now in LP- ADC Locomotive 🚂 bandwagons had done Nigeria Well- APC would Not Comes!
So many of you as gaulible audiences did not talk for 16- yrs that you can't get anything for the Masses and the Youths.
It is Shameful 😝.

You've been noticed.
Bye boy.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by ibechris(m): 12:10pm On Mar 27

okeke6969:
They are not supporting Tinubu blindly, they are intentional because of the crumbs they are benefiting. That is just it.

Yes,uvare right.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by mandybabe: 12:51pm On Mar 27

reddingtonblack:
My broda, even me i wan see as the campaign wan go ..what will he be saying

E lo fi okan ba lé, a ma gbe wa lé

If i dont fix light this 2nd term, if i bring seyi tinubu for president dont vote for him

I Know politician are completely shamelezz, a normal person cant with this level of failure have mind to stand in front of people, buh i know Tinubu wil cumma nd promise us lies again

Please Nigerians let us have sense tori olohun .. These people there unborn generation wealth is already secure dont throw your life away cos of 30k or 2kg rice. 2nd term is working vacation for any president, the best they can offer is on 1st term in office. fact check

So who among them do you think would fix Nigeria

They are all birds of the same feathers, devil's incarnate

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by tuoyoojo(m): 12:52pm On Mar 27

nairalanda1:
So, basically, you are condemning the bad government of tinubu, which is good, while telling us to excuse the bad government of gej and pdp, and saying that those who protested then were wrong to protest...and that nigerians should not have voted APC in 2015 (I did not by the way, nor did I go for PDP ieither)...and instead tolerated PDP bad government apparently.

When I say you and the tinubu supporters are alike, you will start grumbling and shouting.

A very important skill in life is the skill of comprehension and inductive reasoning

Where in my write up did I insinuate that I supported the bad govt of pdp and I was against the right to protest

Abi u want make I explain in Pidgin English wetin I write ni

Inductive reasoning bro....inductive reasoning

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by tuoyoojo(m): 12:56pm On Mar 27

dynicks:
brooo....mostimes, I think the universe allows what happens to happen so that people will learn from it.......just like u said, imagine what would have happened or how people would have so believed that Tinubu and Buhari would have so turned the country to paradise if they hadn't ruled...People would have so spoken of how great of an opportunity the country missed

I tell u....we would have been taking about the road not take ( about how helped to develop lagos) but now we have seen the best they have to offer

Nigeria is on a long thing

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by reddingtonblack: 1:07pm On Mar 27

mandybabe:
So who among them do you think would fix Nigeria

They are all birds of the same feathers, devil's incarnate

IF at all Nigerians have learnt anything how our next pick shouldnt be about who can fix Nigeria .. Instead lets just find who will prioritize " right thing" over " politics" 1st

yeah ! They are bird of a feather .. But inside that feather of a bird there are different textures, outer part are hard and the underlay coat are soft

we can start from there

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by Ibehchizzy: 1:08pm On Mar 27

If you see 2hours of light per day this period you better thank God

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by nairalanda1(m): 1:10pm On Mar 27

tuoyoojo:
A very important skill in life is the skill of comprehension and inductive reasoning

Where in my write up did I insinuate that I supported the bad govt of pdp and I was against the right to protest

Well, let's go back to your comment..

tuoyoojo:
The legacies of the tinubu administration

Imagine if it was when tinubu was in opposition and these things are happening

Imagine the protest on the road

How the airways would be filled with rhetorics that tilimbu has the magic stick to make all our problems go away

Apparently you think it was not fair that people protested when PDP was in charge. Now that the shoe is on the other foot...

Yeah, if you believed, as I do, that all governments past and present are bad, the above won't bother you.

And PDP was bad for power, seriously.

Abi u want make I explain in Pidgin English wetin I write ni

Inductive reasoning bro....inductive reasoning

Well, you now seem to think the oppositon has the magic wand.

Both sides, especially tilumbu, don't have any magic wand. The only way forward is cost reflective tarrifs.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by nairalanda1(m): 1:12pm On Mar 27

EyeCumInPeace:
And Tinubu vowed that Nigerians should no vote for him for 2nd term, if he can not provide steady power supply.

Nigerians, Oya over to you, let's help him fulfil his vow. 😁

Na so, but the thing is , we should and can vote him out, but it won't translate to improvement in power supply, until everyone accepts we have to pay a cost reflective tarrif, as they do for GSM sector.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by ironheart(m): 1:29pm On Mar 27

highchief1:
lol I have been using solar for almost 3yrs now.if u must survive in Nigeria u must go ahead of the govt.just like this fuel madness I have two corola in my fleet of cars.e no really Dey affect me.

wow. You try.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by tuoyoojo(m): 2:40pm On Mar 27

nairalanda1:
Well, let's go back to your comment..

Apparently you think it was not fair that people protested when PDP was in charge. Now that the shoe is on the other foot...

Yeah, if you believed, as I do, that all governments past and present are bad, the above won't bother you.

And PDP was bad for power, seriously.

Well, you now seem to think the oppositon has the magic wand.

Both sides, especially tilumbu, don't have any magic wand. The only way forward is cost reflective tarrifs.

Thank you for your attention on this particular issue

This na wetin I mean

Tilumbu that year when him dey opposition for done roast the government in power based on wetin dey happen. This na wetin the present opposition nor dey fit do.

Me sef support the protest that year when pdp dey in power, so this your talk say I nor support pdp protest nor enter

Good thing say we dey at least see eye to eye on one thing; pdp and apc na the Same thing except maybe we wan compare them on individual indices like economy, power, security etc

But I appreciate your civility in your response

Respect!!

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by Emeka71(m): 4:05pm On Mar 27

ZombieDredd:
I pity or maybe not, the people of osun state.

This is your incoming governor😁

No way.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by isArray: 4:35pm On Mar 27

nairalanda1:
Well, power has been in private hands since 2013, so what government needs to do is to let the power sector set their prices.

They haven't done that, so the power sector has been in a mess.

Yeah, the people needs to also put them on their toes

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by mastermaestro(m): 5:45pm On Mar 27

nairalanda1:
That you cannot condemm the bad government of tinubu and excuse the bad government of GEJ . Is it too difficult for you.

So, everyone who does not think as you do supports Tinubu.

You think I support a man who did not diversify our economy, is responsible for the unproductive nature of our economy, has issues from the 1980s and 90S , also has not answered the alpha beta thing, and has not made our economy a manufacturing economy, and was opposing subsidy removal in 2012, when it was clear that it had to go?

Seriously man, you really should check your thinking.

APC is bad, as was PDP. If it makes you cry, sorry.

Laughter of shame. Nobody takes you seriously here anymore. sad

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by nairalanda1(m): 6:23pm On Mar 27

mastermaestro:
Laughter of shame. Nobody takes you seriously here anymore.

APC is as bad as PDP, and tinubu is gej without oil money.

Anyway, you are free to see what you want to SEE.

Re: Power Outage Bites Harder by Fujiyama: 6:34pm On Mar 27

Bluntemperor:
Rest and don't be Confused 😕.
Both are Important to Nigerians and your State is going to benefit.
If your Party -as A PDP Sympathetisers had built the Roads, APC, would Not been doing that today!
If your Party Now in LP- ADC Locomotive 🚂 bandwagons had done Nigeria Well- APC would Not Comes!
So many of you as gaulible audiences did not talk for 16- yrs that you can't get anything for the Masses and the Youths.
It is Shameful 😝.

^^^

You are under pressure.

A lot of the complaints are coming from ordinary people who do not belong to any political party - and so, your sermon above is meaningless to them. These ordinary people want answers right now and the APC can't provide those answers.

The APC is a failed organization. It promised so much and has delivered so little. Eleven long years after the PDP was (rightly) booted out and all the APC have to give Nigerians are empty excuses for utter, complete failure. undecided

There's nowhere to hide now.

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