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Poll: Who should reparations pay for slavery?
White people only
18% (3 votes)
Arabs, African rulers who sold slaves &Whites
81% (13 votes)
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| OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 1:05pm On Mar 27 |
This recent noise and demands for reparations to be paid by Europe and America for slavery IS THE MOST DISHONEST demand in human history. Are you aware that it is African governments that will collect the money if paid? Are you even aware that arabs enslaved more Africans than the West? So why are we afraid of confronting arabs to pay us? We see Oyimbo as mumu. Do you know that it was Africans selling the slaves? Oh they left that part and fooling you to think it is the white man that is evil. Are you aware that our African kings never wanted the slave trade to end, but it was the White people that forced them to end slavery? Benin republic literally fought a war because they wanted to continue selling slaves after France told them to stop Educate yourself before you try to talk about slavery. Do you know that Housboys and house girls today is practically modern day slavery? But to you only white people are evil abi? Why not demand all the African Kings that sold slaves to also pay the families of the slaves they sold?
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| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 1:12pm On Mar 27 |
Till today. They are bringing house girls from togo, Benin republic, Cameroon into Nigeria and you don't know that it is slavery but it is white people you are shining eyes for. Your so called House girl does not receive the money you are paying. It is her slave masters collecting it. But your mama cary House girl put for house and you sef think you can talk about slavery |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 1:13pm On Mar 27 |
MindHacker9009:what point are you making? |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by Christistruth00: 1:21pm On Mar 27*. Modified: 10:04pm On Mar 27 |
HardMirror:If you understand what happened from the beginning you would never have said this Over 300 Wars were fought against the slave Traders The Dahomey Coast was under the Yoruba Popos before the Portuguese whom they had previously traded with started demanding to have a say in the kingdoms Govt The Yoruba Popos and others around said never that cannot happen , you cannot dictate to us Do you know what the Portuguese slave traders did they gave the Dahomey Rulers who were a very small kingdom at the time but who were ready to do their bidding European Firearms, Military Training , Mercenaries and Military advisors to help them to fight against and to defeat the African Tribes that put the slave Traders in their place on top of that Dahomey were now raiding those same Tribes that said no to the Portuguese for slaves on an industrial scale previously unknown and previously unnecessary so as to supply slaves to their Portuguese benefactors and backers The Kingdom of Dahomey was built almost entirely on the back of Slavery The Dahomey king who rose to power and insisted he wanted nothing to do with the slave Trade , the Portuguese helped his half brother to murder him within 3 years and they helped his brother to take over his Throne so they could continue with their lucrative slave trade In Lagos the Portuguese helped Kosoko to chase his uncle Oba Akintoye who wanted to end the slave Trade off the Throne and out of Town , that was how Kosoko became Oba of Lagos And that was how Europeans the Portuguese especially operated all along the Coast of West Africa even in Guinea Bissau , once any ruler didn't want to do Business with them that Rulers own was finished , they would pump his Rivals for the Throne with Military Weapons, Military Training,Funds until the African Ruler opposing them was killed, forced to change his mind or ran away The other side was that because the Portuguese had now made the slave trading Tribes so powerful the other Tribes who didn't want to get involved were now forced to defend themselves from the slavers frequent slave raids with Firearms and who sold those Firearms it was the same Portuguese that had created the problem in the first place and what did the Portuguese want in return for those Firearms ? More Slaves !! Brazil their colony was built almost entirely by slave labour !! |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by MindHacker9009(m): 1:49pm On Mar 27 |
HardMirror:Remove please wrong thread |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by IGBOPROMISE1: 2:49pm On Mar 27 |
I’m one of a probable few who agree with the OP! Though there wasn’t a Benin Republic during the Trans-Atlantic slave trade era, but everything else OP said is spot on! Is it right to hold western gov’ts accountable for the part their forebears played in the slave trade? Sure it is! But that should go hand in hand with holding our own forebears and the evil Arabs equally accountable as they were complicit and active/wilful participants! The Arabs, till the present day, not only continue the slave trade in one form or another, but they still have this ‘master/slave’ mentality towards sub-saharan Africans! As far as I’m concerned, they’re the worst and most evil of the evil trinity, so how come those championing reparations are yet to hold the Arabs to account! Zeroing in on Nigeria, it’s a known fact that all ethnic groups in the area that was later to become Southern Protectorate played their part in the continuation and thriving of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade: Benin empire; Yoruba sub-groups; Igbo sub-groups; Ijaw; Efik/Ibibio/Annang; Uhrobo; etc! So let’s not act all saintly as if our own forebears were not just as bad as the people we’re pointing fingers at today! I stand to be corrected, but i think i read an article once in which Madam Tinubu was said to be a slave trader too! And bear in mind this must have been after the abhorrent act had been banned by European gov’ts! Someone can help shed more light on this! And is it our corrupt sub-saharan African gov’ts that the billions of dollars in reparations payments will be handed to? The same gov’ts who since independence have spectacularly mismanaged the human and natural resources at their disposal!? Goodluck with that! |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by IGBOPROMISE1: 2:58pm On Mar 27 |
Christistruth00:I think you’re slightly mixing things up a bit! You’re equating the fightback by West-African ethnic groups, Kingdoms and Empires of the time against foreign invaders who wanted to seize control of their geographical spheres of influence.…you’re equating that with them fighting against the slave trade which they were active participants in! |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by Buccalcavity2: 3:22pm On Mar 27*. Modified: 5:40am On Mar 30 |
You people should just read wide. Blacks participated as a survival strategy initially and later played the power play that comes with it. Dahomey specifically revolted against ending slave trade coz it (ending it) threatened its rising power in the region. Your rendition clearly shows how a king could be easily deposed if you are not willing to give what they want which is not different from modern stuff with francophone countries. Cooperate or die! You play along, others call you stooge. Also this is not peculiar to Africa. Same with Native americans, first Nations, indians... Amazing how you turn around to blame yourselves for your oppressors problem. Smh Modified: @Mods, what's happening here? I'd never have commented on a topic like this! I recall i commented on an article abt Ghana getting UN to vote reparation to Africa wrt slave trade. If its possible to change topic and write up, then I better not comment on topics again. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 3:45pm On Mar 27 |
IGBOPROMISE1:there was a Benin republic. It was called Dahomey then. You can verify their slave trading empire. Just Google it. Their kings were renowned slave traders. They are still very top in human trafficking till today. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 3:47pm On Mar 27 |
Buccalcavity2:you are talking as if Africans were not trading slaves long before Europeans even discovered Africa. My point is, white people are not evil. Left to blacks we would still not have human rights. My point is people should stop making it seem like whites invented slavery. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 3:50pm On Mar 27 |
IGBOPROMISE1:exactly. He made it look like these tribes were good people. As if it was white people that thought them slavery. African tribes have been involved in slavery for thousands of years. Why is no one talking about Arab slavers. They traded far more slaves than whites but we always make the topic of slavery about white people. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by Kemetian: 4:11pm On Mar 27 |
NO SURPRISE THAT NIGERIA, THE LAND OF SKIN BLEACHING AND PROFESSIONAL OYINBO WORSHIPERS, IS DISGRACING THE BLACK WORLD AGAIN WITH THESE IGNORANT, NONSENSICAL STATEMENTS SUPPORTING THE ENSLAVERS OF THEIR ANCESTORS. WHAT ELSE DO WE EXPECT FROM YOU, BUT TO GO THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION FROM THE REST OF THE BLACK RACE? SAME WAY YOU SUPPORT TRUMP AND ISRAEL IN OPPOSITION TO ALL BLACKS WORLDWIDE WHO OPPOSE THEIR TYRANNY. YOU ARE ALWAYS ON THE WRONG SIDE. ALWAYS ON THE SIDE THAT HATES YOU. ACCORDING TO AI CALCULATIONS, THE WEST OWES AFRICA $5,000 TRILLION FOR ITS EXPLOITATION AND COLONIAL PLUNDER. EUROPE ENSLAVED AND ROBBED AFRICA DUE TO THEIR POSSESSION OF FIREARMS, WHICH GAVE THEM UNDUE ADVANTAGE IN FORCING THEIR WILL TO DISPOSSESS THE CONTINENT, AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD. THE SO CALLED "JEWS" OF ISRAEL WERE HEAVILY COMPENSATED FOR THE HOLOCAUST. THE FACT THAT MANY OF THEM CONNIVED WITH THE NAZIS - IN FACT, HITLER HIMSELF IS SAID TO HAVE HAD A JEWISH FORBEAR - HAD A BIG FAT ZERO EFFECT ON THE PAYMENT OF REPARATIONS. SO NO.....THE ROLE PLAYED BY A FEW VICTIMS IN THE OVERALL INDUSTRY IS IMMATERIAL INSOFAR AS IT IS DETERMINED THAT AN UNEQUAL EXCHANGE EXISTED WHICH ENRICHED ONE SIDE AND IMPOVERISHED THE OTHER. IN INTERNATIONAL AND MORAL LAW, THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS. THAT IS ALL THAT COUNTS. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 4:31pm On Mar 27 |
Kemetian:White people did not invent slavery. They participated and owe Africa nothing. Go and hold your ancestors accountable for being useless and unable to develop when the rest of the world was developing. Africa is busy looking for free handouts again instead of developing. Yes I support Trump and grateful for a leader like him not the cowards we have here in Africa that cannot do anything that benefits us. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 4:35pm On Mar 27 |
Kemetian:He said white people impoverished him and his people. 😂 The same western world giving Africans the platforms and opportunities to access wealth. Most wealthy Africans are rich because of Western technology, western industries and creations. Dangote refinarey is using Western systems and tech. Everything dangote does is because the west created the systems. I make my money from western institutions. Na you and your people dey find free handouts and thinking you will get it easily from the whites. Slave mentality |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by Uyi168: 6:22pm On Mar 27 |
Most people dont know that 90% of all the Africans that were enslaved were raided, captured, and delivered to the Europeans BY AFRICANS. Also, i don't see African countries rebuking Islamic nations for slavery. Or is that not convenient for them? |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by 2mch(m): 6:26pm On Mar 27 |
Fate of African kings that resisted Who initiated the transatlantic slave trade.
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| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by Kemetian: 6:49pm On Mar 27 |
HardMirror:DO YOU THINK THE WORLD STARTED THE DAY YOU GREW TALL? IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHO CONTRIBUTED TO MODERN CIVILISATION, BLACK AFRICA IS NUMBER 1 ON EARTH. BY AN ABSOLUTE MARGIN. OKAY? MATHEMATICS WAS INVENTED BY BLACK AFRICANS. THE LEBOMBO BONE, THE WORLD'S OLDEST MATHEMATICAL OBJECT, DISCOVERED IN THE CONGO, AND CARBON-DATED TO 25,000 BCE, SHOWED EVIDENCE OF MULTIPLICATION, DIVISION, AND EVEN PRIME NUMBERS. IRON SMELTING, THE TECHNOLOGY OF EXTRACTING METAL FROM ORE USING SPECIFIC HEATING PRINCIPLES, IS THE VERY FOUNDATIONAL BASIS FOR THE MODERN WORLD AND INDUSTRY. THE OLDEST SMELTING SITE ON EARTH WAS DISCOVERED IN LEJJA, NSUKKA NIGERIA, AND CARBON-DATED TO 2650 BCE. WITHOUT IT, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THAT PHONE TO TYPE WHAT YOU JUST DID. THERE WOULD BE NO CARS, PLANES, TRAINS, COMPUTERS OR FRIDGES. THE ENTIRE WORLD WOULD BE LIVING IN CAVES. IN THE STONE AGE. MODERN WORLD? THE VERY BASIS FOR MODERN COMPUTING IS THE BINARY MATHEMATICS OF THE YORUBAS. IN IFA, 256 DEFINES THE FULL RANGE OF POSSIBILITIES, IN A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED SYSTEM OF LOGIC, PROBABILITY AND PATTERN. SAME AS IS IN MODERN COMPUTING - PROOF THAT AFRICA'S BINARY LOGIC PREDATES THE MODERN CODE, AND IS THE ROOT OF IT. IFA BINARY MATHEMATICS IS ACTUALLY EMPLOYED IN MODERN APPLICATIONS LIKE WHATSAPP. TODAY, THE VERY EXISTENCE OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS DUE TO BLACK AFRICANS AND THEIR DESCENDANTS, AS SHOWN IN THE INCREDIBLE VIDEO BELOW TITLED "THE BLACKS WHO BUILT AI". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1wQV6bU95Y?si=Xd47Dg2RoEXjB2TQ |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by Buccalcavity2: 6:50pm On Mar 27 |
HardMirror:Having slave is as old as time. Having slaves is a different concept from the Slave Trade era (transatlantic. one day we'll talk about Mediterranean), where extremely egregious actions were meted out to a race, treating them as subhumans. Not through conquest, but through deceit. Please read more about sociological warfare to understand that countries don't only fight with bullets and swords. You see,I am shocked that your offender concedes that he offended you but the victim is the one making excuses for him. If you read the article, those who disagree conceeded that it was wrong but the fact that they championed its correction is the only argument they are making to not reparate. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by Kemetian: 6:51pm On Mar 27 |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by Spreadlove8888(m): 7:22pm On Mar 27 |
Christistruth00:They are still doing the same thing now. Any government that refuses their request becomes the enemy of the country and they will fine a way to remove him. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 8:12pm On Mar 27 |
2mch:the image you put up is not about slavery it is about conquering their lands. Those kings resisted. It is normal back then for empires to fight to capture more land. Do you know that African empires were also conquering each other? There is no big deal in that. If you want to talk, why not tell me about the African kings other African kings killed too or captured. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 8:14pm On Mar 27 |
Buccalcavity2:you are contradicting yourself. There is nothing that makes transatlantic slavery more evil than other slavery. Infact the kind of slavery some tribes practiced is worse where thousands of people are captured for the sole purpose of using them for human sacrifices. You guys just finding any and every excuse to make slavery about white people instead of calling out every race equally |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 8:16pm On Mar 27 |
Spreadlove8888:that is because they are smart, they protect their interest. You too go and protect your interests. It is people like you that will tell us Iranian leaders are saints. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by lawani(m): 8:18pm On Mar 27 |
Christistruth00:The Portuguese didn't really deal with the Popo. They dealt with the Oyo Ajase (Porto Novo) was a military post of the Oyo and the Aare ona Kakanfo was stationed there. The Portuguese could only exist in that area at the behest of the Oyo. The Dahomey paid tribute to the Oyo and they had their capital razed down on the few occasions they didn't pay. The guns the Portuguese brought were useless against Oyo calvary and the Oyo never used guns until the nineteenth century. They ignored guns. There was a time the chief negotiator between the Dahomeians and the Alaafin was a Portuguese working for the King of Dahomey. Dahomey later became independent of Oyo around the same time Ilorin and Abeokuta became independent and it was not because of Portuguese help but because Oyo declined. Oyo declined and Ijaiye was set up as a bulwark against Dahomey incursions. Dahomey never grew bigger than being able to raid Abeokuta and it's environs for slaves before they fell under the French in the 1890s. They were never under the Portuguese |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 8:35pm On Mar 27 |
lawani:exactly. This is the correct history. They were never under the Portuguese |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by 2mch(m): 8:36pm On Mar 27 |
HardMirror:They resisted and European society also conquered each other. That’s not a justification for carrying arms, entering a continent and enslaving it’s people. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 8:39pm On Mar 27 |
2mch:the problem I have with people like you is, you want to talk about the evil of the whites. How about the Africans killing each other? How about arabs. The problem is how it is made to look like whites invented slavery or were the only ones doing it. Why not demand justice for the thousands of souls African kings have used to do human sacrifices? |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by 2mch(m): 8:42pm On Mar 27 |
HardMirror:Whit people also kill each other, so do Arabs. I don’t see that justifying slavery of the kind meted on Africa at an industrial scale. You obviously don’t have the background or knowledge to discuss the transatlantic slave trade. Which ever country left their country with empty ships filled with guns to come and raid Africa or people and natural resources must pay compensation to Africa and the enslaved who were enslaved for 400yrs. Never in the history of the world, had the world witnessed such evil on such scale. Stick to your level of understanding and the limitations of your education. |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by 2mch(m): 8:45pm On Mar 27 |
| Re: OPINION: This Is Why The West Must NEVER Pay A Dim To Africa For Slavery. by HardMirror(op): 8:50pm On Mar 27 |
2mch:they should make sure they call out our evil ancestors too and the arabs. That is all I am asking. Not ll this trick to collect money they will squander |
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