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MaxInDHouse:
You are saying two different things my guy.

You can't correct a performing group when you don't know any better one. For instance you can justifiably speak against a government when you have a better one to present but in the absence of such your complaints are invalid![

That differs from following whatever is posted on social media nah!😟

Can you tell me what's better in a group that lies to its congregation, have criminal cases everywhere, change revelations from time to time, give false prophecies of Christ's coming, teach false doctrines, and have no respect for Jesus the Great Shepherd of the sheep?

When Jesus said "Wherever two or more are gathered in my name, there in their midst, I am", does that sound like an Angel Michael to you? Does that sound like a man to you? Who is omnipresent enough to be anywhere and everywhere His name is mentioned if not God? Yet, your organization lies against Jesus calling Him an angel, and you have been here all day trying to defame Him. What's better about you?

FxMasterz:
Can you tell me what's better in a group that lies to its congregation, have criminal cases everywhere, change revelations from time to time, give false prophecies of Christ's coming, teach false doctrines, and have no respect for Jesus the Great Shepherd of the sheep?

chai! this wan go pain am o

Good questions by the way.

Surely your crooked heart will not allow you to grasp the truth!

But for the benefit of sincere followers of this thread:

Whatever you think about this group remains invalid until you are able to present another group that's performing globally as peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:4} because that is the only evidence pointing to Jesus as the world's most wonderful counselor of all time {Isaiah 9:6} therefore they are serving as WITNESSES {Act 1:8} to the fact that they've been counseled by this wonderful counselor to make love lead them into settling their disparities peacefully among themselves! John 13:34-35

A Jew will say what you are saying now no matter what you show him or her in the new testament hinging on things their people told them.

But there is only one way to silence any Jew who refuses to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ:

Ask him if the Christ will come when all their people has been scattered all over the world or assembled to welcome him.
Ask him when the prophet to prepare the way of the Christ will appear.
Ask him if there has been any prophet that met the criteria mentioned in their scriptures.

Of course he or she will not know what to say other than tell you they are still waiting for their Christ.

So before you speak against any group think of those doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples and gathering peace lovers everywhere they go.🙂

FxMasterz:
Can you tell me what's better in a group that lies to its congregation, have criminal cases everywhere, change revelations from time to time, give false prophecies of Christ's coming, teach false doctrines, and have no respect for Jesus the Great Shepherd of the sheep?
When Jesus said "Wherever two or more are gathered in my name, there in their midst, I am", does that sound like an Angel Michael to you? Does that sound like a man to you? Who is omnipresent enough to be anywhere He is mentioned if not God? Yet, your organization lies against Jesus calling Him an angel, and you have been here all day trying to defame Him. What's better about you?

FxMasterz:
The revealed Jesus.

The One that cannot be perceived by Flesh and Blood. "Flesh and Blood has not revealed this to you".

So the Jesus that the disciples saw on earth did not have flesh and blood?

Go and argue with the screenshot I shared with you. If you want to learn, go and research that verse. Otherwise, remain ignorant it you so wish. I have helped you with some other screenshots below.

Interesting. Below in the screenshot is also the Trinitarian view of the Father son and holy spirit not being the same person. I have also helped you with some screenshot below so that you will not be ignorant. You would be an hypocrite if you do not agree with the screenshot since you brought a Trinitarian view to prove your false teaching.

You're the one confusing yourself because you have obliterated your gift of sound reasoning in favor of false doctrines.

If there are many thrones in heaven, we will understand that Jesus sits on a separate throne from the Father's. But in heaven, there's just one throne. Hence Jesus' throne is the Father's throne.

If there's just one throne on earth, then we'll conclude that the disciples sit in the same throne as Jesus, but there are many thrones under one throne, hence the disciples sit on separate thrones but rule within the same Kingdom by the authority of that one throne which is Jesus'

Oga you claimed Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will seat on Jesus throne whom you claim is the father. So why are you fighting yourself and confusing yourself?

Truthseeker10:
So the Jesus that the disciples saw on earth did not have flesh and blood?

So, the Jesus that the disciples saw on earth was limited to flesh and blood?

Interesting. Below in the screenshot is also the Trinitarian view of the Father son and holy spirit not being the same person. I have also helped you with some screenshot below so that you will not be ignorant. You would be an hypocrite if you do not agree with the screenshot since you brought a Trinitarian view to prove your false teaching

Stop lying, tell me where I ever made reference to trinitarians in all my discussions with you. Is that not how you guys fail exams. I gave you a screenshot to show what the word ',Ben's implied in context. Even if the screenshot mentioned trinitarianism, you should focus on the 'hen' discussion, and clarify if I hold a trinitarian view before attributing that to me.

I have always told trinitarians that their view of 3 distinct persons is paganism and has no support in Scripture.

Oga you claimed Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will seat on Jesus throne whom you claim is the father. So why are you fighting yourself and confusing yourself?

You're the one fighting yourself and confusing yourself if you cannot understand that God can be multiple persons in one. The idea is clearly illustrated by the spirit, soul and body of man. Your soul can be somewhere while your body is elsewhere. People have seen themselves in places different from where their bodies are. What makes it seem impossible for you to realize that God can be in sevetal places at the same time in different form?

The same Jesus told you that wherever 2 or more are gathered in His name, He is there. Currently as we type, there are millions of 2 or more gatherings in Jesus' name all over the world, and He is in each of all those gatherings without any limitation. That omnipresence alone let's you know that Jesus is beyond the flesh and blood you see except you're spiritually blinded. Only God is omnipresent. Only God can be in every place where He is mentioned at the same time!

MaxInDHouse:
Surely your crooked heart will not allow you to grasp the truth!

But for the benefit of sincere followers of this thread:

Whatever you think about this group remains invalid until you are able to present another group that's performing globally as peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:4} because that is the only evidence pointing to Jesus as the world's most wonderful counselor of all time {Isaiah 9:6} therefore they are serving as WITNESSES {Act 1:8} to the fact that they've been counseled by this wonderful counselor to make love lead them into settling their disparities peacefully among themselves! John 13:34-35

Kikikikiki.

So, you think the people of this forum are empty in the brains?

Your proof of between performing group is your peace loving worshippers. I thought you'll say your proof of best performing group is that there's no evidence of crime and other infractions. I expected you to challenge me to bring evidence. I would have even joined my respected brothers, Courz and Achorladey into the challenge as these people have tons of evidences against you.

You left the evidence based challenge to focus on peace loving. Hahaha. That means you're saying, "We commit crimes but we're peace loving, so we're the best performing." How does that sound to you? Weird!

Hey, there are millions of peace loving groups in the world who have committed no crimes, neither is any form of allegation leveled against them. These millions of groups are far better than your organization, and sorry to say, some of them are not even religious.

A Jew will say what you are saying now no matter what you show him or her in the new testament hinging on things their people told them.

But there is only one way to silence any Jew who refuses to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ:

Ask him if the Christ will come when all their people has been scattered all over the world or assembled to welcome him.
Ask him when the prophet to prepare the way of the Christ will appear.
Ask him if there has been any prophet that met the criteria mentioned in their scriptures.

Of course he or she will not know what to say other than tell you they are still waiting for their Christ.

So before you speak against any group think of those doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples and gathering peace lovers everywhere they go.🙂

Abeg, go and sit down!

Jesus committed no crime. No crime was pinned on Him. Even at the point of His serve sentencing and execution , He was declared innocent. Your organization on the other hand, is a confirmed criminal organization.

SarcasticWords:
chai! this wan go pain am o

Good questions by the way.

Lol. Thanks bro.

It did pain him indeed. He even had to call me 'crooked heart" to show his frustration.

Your guys was right!

You are really funny my guy!🙂
In the first century a man sold his friend out for money.
And guess what?
He is one of the closest confidants of a man who claims to be the perfect teacher ever on this planet!
Another man denied his friend he even laid curses on himself swearing never to have seen him before.
And guess what?
He is also one of the closest confidants of the same man.
Another man was sleeping with his step mom and can you believe that he is also one of the followers of this same man?
Well these are verified blunders committed by Jesus' friends in the first century apart from numerous lies that people lied against him and his group.
So if you were alive in the first century and you've heard all of these would you still believe that this man is the only begotten Son of God and that only his followers can have everlasting life?🙂

FxMasterz:
I thought you'll say your proof of best performing group is that there's no evidence of crime and other infractions.

MaxInDHouse:
You are really funny my guy!🙂
In the first century a man sold his friend out for money.
And guess what?
He is one of the closest confidants of a man who claims to be the perfect teacher ever on this planet!
Another man denied his friend he even laid curses on himself swearing never to have seen him before.
And guess what?
He is also one of the closest confidants of the same man.
Another man was sleeping with his step mom and can you believe that he is also one of the followers of this same man?
Well these are verified blunders committed by Jesus' friends in the first century apart from numerous lies that people lied against him and his group.
So if you were alive in the first century and you've heard all of these would you still believe that this man is the only begotten Son of God and that only his followers can have everlasting life?🙂

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Was the man who slept with his father's wife a friend of Jesus in his lifetime?

DeepSight:
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Was the man who slept with his father's wife a friend of Jesus in his lifetime?

One of those preaching and teaching that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God!😟

FxMasterz:
So, the Jesus that the disciples saw on earth was limited to flesh and blood?

was it not flesh and blood that the disciples were seeing?

Stop lying, tell me where I ever made reference to trinitarians in all my discussions with you. Is that not how you guys fail exams. I gave you a screenshot to show what the word ',Ben's implied in context. Even if the screenshot mentioned trinitarianism, you should focus on the 'hen' discussion, and clarify if I hold a trinitarian view before attributing that to me.

I have always told trinitarians that their view of 3 distinct persons is paganism and has no support in Scripture.

Lol...look at this hypocrites who wanted to convince me with paganism ideas to accept his teachings only for him to denounce his reference. So millions of Catholics and Pentecostal churches who believe that YAHWEH is three persons are going to Lose their salvation because of paganism?

Oga below in the screenshot is the Greek word "hen" in both John 10:30 and John 17:21. Do they mean different things? Show me where "essence" is present in the meaning.

You're the one fighting yourself and confusing yourself if you cannot understand that God can be multiple persons in one. The idea is clearly illustrated by the spirit, soul and body of man. Your soul can be somewhere while your body is elsewhere. People have seen themselves in places different from where their bodies are. What makes it seem impossible for you to realize that God can be in sevetal places at the same time in different form?

The same Jesus told you that wherever 2 or more are gathered in His name, He is there. Currently as we type, there are millions of 2 or more gatherings in Jesus' name all over the world, and He is in each of all those gatherings without any limitation. That omnipresence alone let's you know that Jesus is beyond the flesh and blood you see except you're spiritually blinded. Only God is omnipresent. Only God can be in every place where He is mentioned at the same time!

All what you've written above is gibberish. You claimed that Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will sit at Jesus' throne whom you claim is the father. So kindly do the calculation.

Truthseeker10:
was it not flesh and blood that the disciples were seeing?

Only the blind see only flesh and blood. Hear Paul:

"So we have stopped evaluating others from a human point of view. At one time we thought of Christ merely from a human point of view. How differently we know him now."

See as you are trying every means to take your face away from the fact that Jesus clearly said "Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you" while asking"Who do people say that I am?". You clearly don't want to see that Jesus wants us to see beyond His earthly make into His heavenly personality. When He was transfigured on the mountain of transfiguration, did The transfigure into flesh?

Lol...look at this hypocrites who wanted to convince me with paganism ideas to accept his teachings only for him to denounce his reference. So millions of Catholics and Pentecostal churches who believe that YAHWEH is three persons are going to Lose their salvation because of paganism?

Are you the one that'll grant them salvation or make them loose their salvation?

Oga below in the screenshot is the Greek word "hen" in both John 10:30 and John 17:21. Do they mean different things? Show me where "essence" is present in the meaning.
All what you'en above is gibberish. You claimed that Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will sit at Jesus' throne whom you claim is the father. So kindly do the calculation.

If you still cannot comprehend ties simple truth in spite of all the analogies I have given you, then, it's left to you!

Christ has a throne in heaven and earth. The scriptures say so! There's the Father's throne upon which Christ claims to sit with Father. It is called the Father's throne for a reason. That's the throne that rules the entire universe.

Then, there's a human throne in the new Jerusalem also belonging to Christ. It is Christ's throne from where He rules the earth. He promised over owners to rule with Him. The scriptures says "if we suffer,we shall also reign with Him."

If you still can't get it, then forget it. You can stick with your satanic doctrines. The end will tell.

MaxInDHouse:
You are really funny my guy!🙂
In the first century a man sold his friend out for money.
And guess what?
He is one of the closest confidants of a man who claims to be the perfect teacher ever on this planet!
Another man denied his friend he even laid curses on himself swearing never to have seen him before.
And guess what?
He is also one of the closest confidants of the same man.
Another man was sleeping with his step mom and can you believe that he is also one of the followers of this same man?
Well these are verified blunders committed by Jesus' friends in the first century apart from numerous lies that people lied against him and his group.
So if you were alive in the first century and you've heard all of these would you still believe that this man is the only begotten Son of God and that only his followers can have everlasting life?🙂

Abeg, leave story.

Ask me for evidences of your crimes, ever changing revelations, failed prophecies of your false prophets, and your many other infractions.

Be bold and make the challenge. What are you afraid of?

All that nah STORY!
That's why you can't present any better performing group than JWs you can only carry false accusations and rumors in your head.🤣

FxMasterz:
Abeg, leave story.
Ask me for evidences of your crimes, ever changing revelations, failed prophecies of your false prophets, and your many other infractions.
Be bold and make the challenge. What are you afraid of?

FxMasterz:
Only the blind see only flesh and blood. Hear Paul:

"So we have stopped evaluating others from a human point of view. At one time we thought of Christ merely from a human point of view. How differently we know him now."

See as you are trying every means to take your face away from the fact that Jesus clearly said "Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you" while asking"Who do people say that I am?". You clearly don't want to see that Jesus wants us to see beyond His earthly make into His heavenly personality. When He was transfigured on the mountain of transfiguration, did The transfigure into flesh?

was Jesus talking to Paul in John 14:9?

you the one that'll grant them salvation or make them loose their salvation?



If you still cannot comprehend ties simple truth in spite of all the analogies I have given you, then, it's left to you!

is it not knowing YAHWEH again that leads to salvation according to John 17:3 that you explained? Did Jesus teach Paganism about Yahweh?
Did you see "essence" In the Greek word "hen" that I showed you in the screenshot?

Christ has a throne in heaven and earth. The scriptures say so! There's the Father's throne upon which Christ claims to sit with Father. It is called the Father's throne for a reason. That's the throne that rules the entire universe.

Then, there's a human throne in the new Jerusalem also belonging to Christ. It is Christ's throne from where He rules the earth. He promised over owners to rule with Him. The scriptures says "if we suffer,we shall also reign with Him."

If you still can't get it, then forget it. You can stick with your satanic doctrines. The end will tell.

All what you've said above is gibberish. You claimed that Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will sit at Jesus' throne whom you claim is the father. So kindly do the calculation.

MaxInDHouse:
All that nah STORY!
That's why you can't present any better performing group than JWs you can only carry false accusations and rumors in your head.🤣

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The ever-changing revelations are undeniable.

Thank goodness i left all these insanity....

just imagine, the beliefs.....

paganism mixed with Roman and Greek mythology..........presented as facts.

DeepSight:
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The ever-changing revelations are undeniable.

The path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That keeps growing brighter and brighter until full daylight. Proverbs 4:18

Let any religion produce a better group that's performing globally as expected regarding what is written in the Bible!🙂

Truthseeker10:
was Jesus talking to Paul in John 14:9?

He was talking to everyone of us. "Whatsoever I have said to you, I say to all." Mark 13:17.

is it not knowing YAHWEH again that leads to salvation according to John 17:3 that you explained? Did Jesus teach Paganism about Yahweh?
Did you see "essence" In the Greek word "hen" that I showed you in the screenshot?

What's the difference between knowing Yahweh and knowing Jesus?

All what you've said above is gibberish. You claimed that Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will sit at Jesus' throne whom you claim is the father. So kindly do the calculation.

Your comprehension cannot grasp it.eagr it dear.

For one last time.

Jesus reigns in the universe through the Father or as the Father. The Father reigns on earth through Jesus or as Jesus.

Same person different manifestations. The throne in heaven is called the Father's throne. The throne on earth is called Jesus' throne. Jesus.

Just as the seat of judgment for the whole works is called The White Throne Judgement. Presided over by the Father. And the seat of judgment for all believers is calmed the Judgement seat of Christ.

However, the Father is Judge of both the world and believers. Jesus is Judge of both the world and believers.

May God open your closed understanding.

MaxInDHouse:
All that nah STORY!
That's why you can't present any better performing group than JWs you can only carry false accusations and rumors in your head.🤣

Mtcheww.
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I have shown you several times that your group is a criminal group. You're even afraid to challenge to an evidence.

Abeg go sit down !

FxMasterz:
He was talking to everyone of us. "Whatsoever I have said to you, I say to all." Mark 13:17.

So have you seen the father?

What's the difference between knowing Yahweh and knowing Jesus?


Your comprehension cannot grasp it.eagr it dear.

You claimed that we need to know Yahweh to be saved according to John 17:3. You claimed that Jesus told the robber that he was the son of Yahweh. You are also claiming that Jesus is the same person as Yahweh. Did Jesus tell the robber that He was Yahweh?

Where is "essence" found in the Greek meaning of "hen" that I showed you

For one last time.

Jesus reigns in the universe through the Father or as the Father. The Father reigns on earth through Jesus or as Jesus.

Same person different manifestations. The throne in heaven is called the Father's throne. The throne on earth is called Jesus' throne. Jesus.

Just as the seat of judgment for the whole works is called The White Throne Judgement. Presided over by the Father. And the seat of judgment for all believers is calmed the Judgement seat of Christ.

However, the Father is Judge of both the world and believers. Jesus is Judge of both the world and believers.

May God open your closed understanding.

All what you've said above is gibberish. You claimed that Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will sit at Jesus' throne whom you claim is the father. So kindly do the calculation.

He who has no place to stay can decide to call the most beautiful MANSION a DUNGEON nah.
Abeg ask am where he dey live!🤣

FxMasterz:
Mtcheww.
I have shown you several times that your group is a criminal group. You're even afraid to challenge to an evidence. Abeg go sit down !

MaxInDHouse:
He who has no place to stay can decide to call the most beautiful MANSION a DUNGEON nah.
Abeg ask am where he dey live!🤣

Hahaha. That's a very unwise saying.

It's the other way round. He who has no place to stay, would call the dungeon a beautiful mansion.

Wisdom failed you because you're inebriated with very toxic doctrines of demons.

Truthseeker10:
So have you seen the father?

Yes, I have seen Him in my spirit, and have an active ongoing relationship with Him.

You claimed that we need to know Yahweh to be saved according to John 17:3. You claimed that Jesus told the robber that he was the son of Yahweh. You are also claiming that Jesus is the same person as Yahweh. Did Jesus tell the robber that He was Yahweh?

The robber needn't know everything to be saved.

Where is "essence" found in the Greek meaning of "hen" that I showed you

Go read the screenshots I shared with you on that.

All what you've said above is gibberish. You claimed that Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will sit at Jesus' throne whom you claim is the father. So kindly do the calculation.

Stop repeating incoherent questions like a robot. Use your head for once and revise all the answers I have provided you on this same question.

Exactly what Jesus said you will say about his group:
“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25
Oya present your own church let's see what your doctrine has produced among you! Matthew 7:16-18🙂

FxMasterz:
Wisdom failed you because you're inebriated with very toxic doctrines of demons.

FxMasterz:
Kikikikiki.

So, you think the people of this forum are empty in the brains?

Your proof of between performing group is your peace loving worshippers. I thought you'll say your proof of best performing group is that there's no evidence of crime and other infractions. I expected you to challenge me to bring evidence. I would have even joined my respected brothers, Courz and Achorladey into the challenge as these people have tons of evidences against you.

You left the evidence based challenge to focus on peace loving. Hahaha. That means you're saying, "We commit crimes but we're peace loving, so we're the best performing." How does that sound to you? Weird!

Hey, there are millions of peace loving groups in the world who have committed no crimes, neither is any form of allegation leveled against them. These millions of groups are far better than your organization, and sorry to say, some of them are not even religious.



Abeg, go and sit down!

Jesus committed no crime. No crime was pinned on Him. Even at the point of His serve sentencing and execution , He was declared innocent. Your organization on the other hand, is a confirmed criminal organization.

LOL

Well said Brotherly. It can be really stressful and enervating discussing with someone who has deliberately decided not to make use of his thinking faculty.

If you engage with them you waste energy and get tired. If you keep them quiet, they get angry that you ignored them in a thread.

Well done for all your write-up.

FxMasterz:
Yes, I have seen Him in my spirit, and have an active ongoing relationship with Him.

Lol....so you have spirit but Jesus on earth did not have spirit that was why the father was greater than him?

robber needn't know everything to be saved.

So the robber did not know who Yahweh was, but you claimed he needed to know Yahweh to be saved?

Go read the screenshots I shared with you on that.

I have countered your paganism screenshot with the Greek meaning of "hen". So where was essence mentioned in the meaning of "hen" both in John 17:21 and John 10:30? Is it not the same "hen" that is used in both verses with evidence below?

Stop repeating incoherent questions like a robot. Use your head for once and revise all the answers I have provided you on this same question.

All what you've said before were gibberish. You claimed that Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will sit at Jesus' throne whom you claim is the father. So kindly do the calculation

FxMasterz:
Yes, I have seen Him in my spirit, and have an active ongoing relationship with Him.

So did Jesus tell his disciples to see the Father in their spirit in John 14:9?

The robber needn't know everything to be saved.

You claimed the robber had to know Yahweh to be saved and you claimed Jesus told the robber that he was the son of Yahweh. So when did Jesus tell the robber that he was Yahweh?

Go read the screenshots I shared with you on that.

You denied your screenshot and called it paganism. Below in the screenshot is the evidence that "essence" was introduced by the same people you call paganism. Show me where "essence" appears in the bible.

Stop repeating incoherent questions like a robot. Use your head for once and revise all the answers I have provided you on this same question.

All what you've said before were gibberish. You claimed that Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will sit at Jesus' throne whom you claim is the father. So kindly do the calculation

FxMasterz

Truthseeker10:
Lol....so you have spirit but Jesus on earth did not have spirit that was why the father was greater than him?

Are you a child? What type of talk is this? Very unintelligent comment.
Can't you see? You don't have spirit that's why your spirit is greater than your body? See how that sounds?

So the robber did not know who Yahweh was, but you claimed he needed to know Yahweh to be saved?

Another unintelligent comment. If you don't understand simple English, please ask clarifying questions or go back to school! How does Jesus not telling him everything translate to "the robber does not know who Yahweh was"?

Your organization didn't want you guys to be intelligent so that you won't spot their lies with critical thinking; so they discouraged university education to make you their easy captives. You better wake up!

have countered your paganism screenshot with the Greek meaning of "hen". So where was essence mentioned in the meaning of "hen" both in John 17:21 and John 10:30? Is it not the same "hen" that is used in both verses with evidence below?

Go back to all my previous comment. Read slowly, connect the dots, and digest them well before you come here to spew gibberish.

If I find you consistently unintelligent in your comments, I'll just put you aside.

All what you've said before were gibberish. You claimed that Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means that he is the father. You also claimed that those who overcome will sit at Jesus' throne whom you claim is the father. So kindly do the calculation

What's difficult for you to comprehend in this?

Buhari was president and minister of petroleum at he same time. If he tells you he sits in the president's office, and that you would also sit with him in the ministerial office, does that bring you any conflict?