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| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 8:37am On Apr 05 |
Seun:So as ADC, PDP, APC and courts contradict themselves they are not true right? Can we count the number contradictictory threads that have been posted here eg catalyst saves fuel, catalyst does not save fuel? Find something else to say |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Kalatium(m): 8:40am On Apr 05 |
Omoawoke:An uninformed person will likely think you are making sense but an informed person will quick note that you don't know history at all. Colonization accelerated and reshaped the spread of Christianity . Christianity existed before colonization. Christianity is often labeled as “Western,” even though clearly the origin is not. It began in the Middle East. Early Christianity spread into North Africa long before European colonialism. Regions like Egypt and Ethiopia had Christian traditions centuries before colonial contact. So want did you think you are saying. |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 8:41am On Apr 05 |
tanigororo:Were the people of Antioch Jewish before they called them Christians? |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 8:43am On Apr 05 |
RealityKings1:You wish. Christianity is the only True religion |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 8:44am On Apr 05 |
oz4real83:There are thousands of logical explanation eg which religion foretold all of these things the world is going through to the point that even Hollywood now agrees that the world is ending? |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 8:46am On Apr 05 |
Omoawoke:The car, phone and clothes you are using do they belong to your ancestors? |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 8:48am On Apr 05 |
AntiChristian:That is because people like you can never die to save your children even if you have 3 extra lifes. |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 8:51am On Apr 05 |
safarifarms:That is it. Also, they need to fuel their delus. Let them have lung cancer and you would see all of them would remember that Christianity is the True religion |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by AntiChristian: 9:19am On Apr 05 |
Dtruthspeaker:It's human to die for my generation that's why we have sons to keep the family line! Is that also the reason your God have son? To preserve his heritage when he dies! |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 9:23am On Apr 05 |
AntiChristian:See, even are confessing that you cannot die for anybody. |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by AntiChristian: 9:24am On Apr 05 |
triplechoice:Hypocrisy is you coming into the religious thread when you're not in support of any religion. The thread is for Christianity and not otherwise. The first rule is never to detail the thread. An atheist should at least understand rules! The discussion is not about me or my religion! The thread is contexted on is Christianity the true religion? |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by sonmvayina(m): 9:53am On Apr 05 |
Christianity is an amalgamation of earlier religions before it. It's central figure was created from the myths of earlier figures like Marduk, Inanna, Dimuzzi, Apolo...,etc. Emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire and summoned all the Presbyters to Nicaea to fashion out a new religion. . After arguing and fighting each other, they arrived at the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Eusebius was ordered to harmonize the different myths into one single story.....and that was how Jesus was born. He was ordered to make 50 copies paid for by Constantine himself.... Funny enough they still went to Babylon for the foundation for their faith. And Emperor Constantine decreed that who does not believe would be Anathema (as good as dead)....They spent the next 1000+ years editing and rewriting the Bible. They only stopped when a certain German invented the printing press.... |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by sonmvayina(m): 9:54am On Apr 05 |
Christianity is a contraption.....like Nigeria. The majority of Jews still adhere to the Torah.. |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by triplechoice(m): 10:28am On Apr 05 |
AntiChristian:You keep saying "the thread is about Christianity", but you, an "Antichristian" were the one who jumped in to add criticisms of christianity beyond what Seun asked. If the thread is only for Christians to answer, why are you here ? You want to eat your cake and have it too? There's no rule banning me, an irreligious observer, ( I'm no atheist). from participating and using the opportunity to respond to your hypocrisy. If you insist only Christians should speak, then you should leave first . You came here to judge Christianity as false, implicitly comparing it to Islam. But when I asked you to defend Islam's own contradiction, ( Allah's justice vs mercy without atonement) you run to hide behind "this isn't about Islam". You either answer the question I asked about your own religion, or admit you also rely on mystery, and then stop mocking Christianity for the same. If you refuse both, then your contribution here is just anti-christian noise to derail the thread. Yes, you' came in to derail the thread. The Op highlighted the contradictions in the New testament, but you choose to attack trinity. They are not the same. |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Omoawoke(m): 12:52pm On Apr 05 |
Kalatium:Did you make the claim that Ethiopia and Egypt had Christianity before Europeans came from your head or that’s fact? And that means Ethiopians and Egyptians had Christianity without foreign contact? You know education is very important, what you people have in Nigeria is not education but certificate to work… Education requires you to dig into history and find facts separate from fiction and critically analyze things rather than dwelling on “hear says” and heavily sentimental opinions I won’t engage people like you until you go do your reaserch, come back and find tell the truth as it is I can’t be educating adults that are meant to be educating children Just to give you a clue of what to search for even though you don’t deserve it , go and work for your knowledge - see below
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| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by lawani(m): 1:45pm On Apr 05 |
Omoawoke:What he said is not incorrect. Christianity did not get to Egypt and Ethiopia via Europeans. It got there the same way Buddhism went from India to China. The same way Islam spread to west Africa. Christianity originated in the middle east and not Europe. Europe and not Africa is the biggest victim of Christianity. We in Africa may have been subtly intimidated but they were outrightly forced with hundreds of thousands killed. |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by musicwriter(m): 2:00pm On Apr 05 |
immortalcrown:Flawless my foot! 1). No one has ever seen God (1 John 4:12). Contradiction: The Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend (Exodus 33:11). No man has seen or can see God (1 Timothy 6:16). Contradiction: The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day (Genesis 18:1). 2). There is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins (Ecclesiastes 7:20). Contradiction: There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright (Job 1:1) 3). All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Contradiction: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9) 4). The women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples (Matthew 28: 8 ) When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others (Luke 24:9) Contradiction: Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid. (Mark 16: 8 ) 5). I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you (Genesis 17:7) Contradiction: The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. (Hebrews 8:6–13) 6). If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9) Contradiction: Not everyone who says to me, ''Lord, Lord,'' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven Matthew 7:21. 7). For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8–9). Contradiction: For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done (Matthew 16:27). . If you make the Most High your dwelling—even the LORD, who is my refuge—then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. (Psalm 91:5–10)2 contradictions: Like a servant who earnestly desires the shade, and like a hired man who eagerly looks for his wages, so I have been allotted months of futility, and wearisome nights have been appointed to me (Job 7:2:3) Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. (1 Peter 4:12–13) 9). I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me (Exodus 20:5). 3 Contradictions. Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin (Deuteronomy 24:16). Everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge (Jeremiah 31:30). The one who sins is the one who will die (Ezekiel 18:4). (10). Make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). 3 Contradictions: Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 15:24) Jesus sent out the twelve disciples with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.'' Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 10:5–6) No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of Jehovah, not even in the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3). READ THE BIBLE CAREFULLY, IT'S FULL OF CONTRADICTS. I don't even want to talk out outright lies in the Bible because that's completely off you |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by DeepSight(m): 2:09pm On Apr 05 |
musicwriter:+ Thanks for this. I will pick three verses there for another thread where I will mention you. |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by musicwriter(m): 2:18pm On Apr 05 |
DeepSight:I no longer have time for this type of discussion because any discussion about Jesus is waste of time. There was nobody that ever existed in this world called Jesus Christ. It's a complete forgery. Jesus NEVER existed and I've already pointed you to a book to learn how the story evolved from a snake. But while you can take a horse to the stream, you can't force it to drink |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by DeepSight(m): 2:27pm On Apr 05 |
musicwriter:+ And I asked if you are the author. TV01, Tctrills, SirTee15 |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Hypnotise: 2:53pm On Apr 05 |
Christians believe in Jesus, and for over 2000 years, the name seems to be “alive”. Billions have been calling on the name for thousands of years and will still call for many more years to come. Even in time of split seconds danger, people call the name and people testify that the name does help change situations. Now looking at other religions, no other religion has a messiah whose followers actively call their name after thousands of years with confidence. |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by musicwriter(m): 3:25pm On Apr 05 |
lawani: Kalatium:As Omoawoke has rightly advised earlier, you need to go and really research these things because lies are often intertwined with truth such that it takes time to separate the lies from the truths or half truths. It will take you up to 5 years of research to discover the truth. Indeed, the religion that would later be called Christianity originated right here in Africa but it wasn't called Christianity. See attachment for a comparison of the attributes of the ancient Egyptian son of God Horus (7,000 years ago) and Jesus Christ (2,000 years ago). But then, came European invaders who changed everything and turned everything upside down. For your information, two European nations Greece and Rome conquered North Africa from 332 BCC (which in ancient time included the place now called Israel and Palestine) and they began fashioning out a God in their image. They took a piece of the story of a saviour from different cultures near them and began fashioning a God. The first human being who ever called himself "Christ" was a European king named Ptolemy Soter. He forced Africans to worship him. Yes! Seeing that their exploit was successful in Africa and the so called Middle East, they exported the concept of a universal saviour into Europe. It was all about the purpose of political control. Rome has acquired massive amount of colonies that it was no longer easily able to control. But if they could believe in one saviour instead of different Gods, then it will be easier to control the population. That was the idea. So, the Christianity of today is not the same one that was in Africa before Europeas arrived ancient Egypt in ancient time (which includd Israel and Palestine in ancient time). Christianity today is European version of Christianity. Think of it like Apple manufacturing phones cheaper in China and exporting it back to home country USA to sell.
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| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 3:38pm On Apr 05 |
AntiChristian:Only a Muslim will create stupy rules that do not exist in his hypocrisy. If he had spoken against Christianity you won't have said this. Neither did the debate say that only religious people should participate in this debate. So it is you who is the hypocri because you already know that he put you in your proper place and you cannot reasonably answer it, hence this silly attempt of a rebuttal |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 3:55pm On Apr 05 |
musicwriter:Contradiction is a part of living. Nairaland, newspapers and courts do it all the time and there is flaw in that. If you pretend not to understand it, that is you failing to do your own thinking but acting brein laundered |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by musicwriter(m): 3:57pm On Apr 05 |
Dtruthspeaker:Naturaland doesn't claim to be flawless like your all knowing bible God |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 4:01pm On Apr 05 |
musicwriter:This is a drunk Judgment. Christianity has its line in and roots from Isreal yet you say it is from Africa? The things you people choose to believe because of Christianity is craz |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Dtruthspeaker: 4:05pm On Apr 05 |
musicwriter:Is it the bible that said that it is not flawless? Then you now put all knowing God inside it. See how unreasonable you have become seeing that you have no reasonable thing to say in counter? It is clear that even you know that you are talking rubbish |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by lawani(m): 4:50pm On Apr 05 |
Dtruthspeaker:No. Something that existed in Europe was super imposed on the teachings of the Jewish sect called Nazarene which came to be known as Christianity later. The Jews were expecting a Messiah to liberate their nation. A freedom fighter. The concept of Christ is different and it is a Greek mythology figure that predates Christianity. It is even obvious. There has always been Jesus Christ or Iesous Christ and it had nothing to do with any Jew. Iesous was the perfect and blameless son of Zeus. So anybody with an impressive conduct would be called a Christian or small Christ by the ancient Greek. It is quite obvious that Isa bin Yusuf was not the first Christ and that the current Christians are not the first group to be called Christians |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by musicwriter(m): 5:03pm On Apr 05 |
lawani:So, you know all that? If so, it doesn't appear you made the first comment that I replied to. As you rightly said, the concept of "Christ" has been for thousands of years before anybody heard of Jesus. Europeans coalesced all the older "Christ" stories that existed in the known world to create Jesus. People called "Christ" and sons of Gods before Jesus include; Horus, Krishna, Buddha, Mithra, Zoroaster, Ptolemy Soter, etc). Europeans simply coalesced all of them and fashioned out Jesus. That's why Jesus has all the attributes of the older Saviours, Redeemers, Messiah |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by Lucifyre: 5:10pm On Apr 05 |
For any claim or proposition to be considered true in the first place, there are certain requirements it must meet; otherwise, it’s just an empty claim. Truth, as we understand it, is objective. Truth is verifiable and demonstrable. Truth stands regardless of belief or acceptance. Truth is falsifiable and consistent. Truth is non-contradictory. And Christianity quite clearly falls short of these criteria, making its claims anything but established truth. In fact, no religion meets that standard— they all make assertions and label them as truth. That’s a big difference. |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by DeepSight(m): 5:12pm On Apr 05 |
musicwriter:+ The word "Christos" existed in Greek, yes and simply meant "anointed one" and was commonly used, but the concept as a saving messiah did not exist, that concept came from the Jews. |
| Re: Is Christianity The True Religion? Debate by DeepSight(m): 5:15pm On Apr 05 |
Lucifyre:+ Truth may not be verifiable, demonstrable or falsifiable. Because there are many things that are true that no human being can ever know about, talk less of verify, demonstrate or falsify. But yes, Truth must be consistent. And it stands regardless of belief. |
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. If you make the Most High your dwelling—even the LORD, who is my refuge—then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. (Psalm 91:5–10)