₦airaland Forum

Galapagous:
Not by just education, an average Nigerian is more productive than south African. If you have ever find yourself on a platform where you work along side people from other African countries, you know, I have.

another one with delulu.. you lack even in the most basic of things like ambulances and toilets, yet you claim you're "more productive" based on what? mouth? Nothing in your country points out to productivity

Lionessza6:


Dude,what exactly are you on about, you're all over the place. I don't know if you're complaining, envious ,angry, threatening us, or all of the above. You even seem confused yourself .

Lol, they are like this

fyneboi79:
South Africans are found everywhere too ..they just fail to make the news for good or bad because they are born inherently uninspiring and without ambition

Yes you find South Africans abroad too, the difference is we are well mannered and not obnoxious and loud like you

seppuku:
The South Africans are borrowing from the play book of the MAGA movement and Mr. Trump to deter visitors from countries they deem undesirable.

The Americans did it to one of their social media personalities named Nota.

Make America great again!
Put South Africans first!

Same propaganda.

We have the highest unemployment rate and we also have a mass migration problem ( legal and illegal) so tell me whats going to come of that?

Forever gaslighting everything that happens in our country as "propaganda" always exposes you as a lazy and a biased thinker.

You have hundreds of qualified South African doctors marching for jobs while Zimbabwean / Ghanaian doctors are employed, are we being "Put first" here? Is it "propaganda" wanting to be first in our own country? You have instances of hospitals where our own people have to sleep on floors to make way for an illegal immigrant.. that is not sustainable.. we cant carry the whole continent.

So before claiming we are borrowing US slogans for clout, take time to understand the plight and the lived realities of our people instead of always gaslighting

IronGalaxy:
Yes you find South Africans abroad too, the difference is we are well mannered and not obnoxious and loud like you

South Africans are not well mannered ....just lackluster

fyneboi79:
South Africans are not well mannered ....just lackluster

No country has ever kicked South Africans out for misbehaving.. so yeah we are pretty much well- behaved in other people's countries.. you offcourse will see this as being "lackluster" because chaos is your default setting, a normal.. A fish is never aware it's wet

IronGalaxy:
No country has ever kicked South Africans out for misbehaving.. so yeah we are pretty much well- behaved in other people's countries.. you offcourse will see this as being "lackluster" because chaos is your default setting, a normal.. A fish is never aware it's wet

Your signature says it all your heads are all too buried in the kitty hustle to think straight.

fyneboi79:
Your signature says it all your heads are all too buried in the kitty hustle to think straight.

Ah Yes, when the truth is too much to bear, insult my personality. Classic Nigerian move. Keep on

MrUnitedstatesA:
Igbos run a lot of big and successful business over there ,so they are the backbone of the economy of that country if they leave that place will die a miserable death. These lazy people should be worshipping us if they were educated but they are illiterates who can't even speak english like us . This is the reason for all the hate and jealousy . They see us developing their country for them in ways they can't and they can't stop hating .

Na everywhere igbos dey develop but can't develop their south east.



How come?

IronGalaxy:
We have the highest unemployment rate and we also have a mass migration problem ( legal and illegal) so tell me whats going to come of that?

I acknowledge migration issues. Your cabinet just approved items on the White paper that will address the asylum seeker and migrant crisis.

As far as high unemployment goes, What does a somali spaza shop owner have to do with your employability? What has the Congolese hair dresser have to do with where your women spend their money to do their hair?

IronGalaxy:
Forever gaslighting everything that happens in our country as "propaganda" always exposes you as a lazy and a biased thinker.

You have hundreds of qualified South African doctors marching for jobs while Zimbabwean / Ghanaian doctors are employed, are we being "Put first" here? Is it "propaganda" wanting to be first in our own country? You have instances of hospitals where our own people have to sleep on floors to make way for an illegal immigrant.. that is not sustainable.. we cant carry the whole continent.

You have unemployed doctors and wastages in your hospitals because your government is tendering moneys away that are supposed to be channeled at building more hospitals and employing more people or creating incentives for private hospitals to employ more doctors e.t.c.

The Ghanian doctor did not sneak into the country. He qualified and was employed based on your laws, now because you see him successful you want to chase him away. What about the British doctor working in a cape town hospital or Indian doctor in Durban? tWhat are your nurses doing in the Uk? Why are they not being chased away?

You keep saying we can't carry the whole continent. Have you people ever googled the stats on the number of refugees/asylum seekers that reside in other African countries. I get sick to my stomach with the lack of knowledge you people have.

Its propaganda.

seppuku:
I acknowledge migration issues. Your cabinet just approved items on the White paper that will address the asylum seeker and migrant crisis.

As far as high unemployment goes, What does a somali spaza shop owner have to do with your employability? What has the Congolese hair dresser have to do with where your women spend their money to do their hair?




You have unemployed doctors and wastages in your hospitals because your government is tendering moneys away that are supposed to be channeled at building more hospitals and employing more people or creating incentives for private hospitals to employ more doctors e.t.c.

The Ghanian doctor did not sneak into the country. He qualified and was employed based on your laws, now because you see him successful you want to chase him away. What about the British doctor working in a cape town hospital or Indian doctor in Durban? tWhat are your nurses doing in the Uk? Why are they not being chased away?

You keep saying we can't carry the whole continent. Have you people ever googled the stats on the number of refugees/asylum seekers that reside in other African countries. I get sick to my stomach with the lack of knowledge you people have.

Its propaganda.

We have unemployed doctors, while doctors from the SADEC region are employed by the government.. my people have a right to demand to be put first.. you can't import what you have in abundance in your own country

What part of this is propaganda Seppuku?

Also, South Africa has the highest number of African immigrants on the continent and those are just the legal ones, so please, dont play this card on me, I dont have to Google anything here. we complain because the burden of these immigrants is felt by us.. not you ,you have no clue of the massive strain on resources that does to a country, the shacks have quadrupled because of the legal immigrants for example.. you're busy doing what you do best, gaslighting the real concerns and lived realities of South Africans.. we are carrying this continent, these are just facts

KingCold:
We have unemployed doctors, while doctors from the SADEC region are employed by the government.. my people have a right to demand to be put first.. you can't import what you have in abundance in your own country

What part of this is propaganda Seppuku?

The "means" being employed to achieve that redress. The demonization of the "other".

All you need to do is read the inciteful language being used by the likes of March on March, come back here and tell me it's not propaganda.

KingCold:
Also, South Africa has the highest number of African immigrants on the continent and those are just the legal ones, so please, dont play this card on me, I dont have to Google anything here. we complain because the burden of these immigrants is felt by us.. not you ,you have no clue of the massive strain on resources that does to a country, the shacks have quadrupled because of the legal immigrants for example.. you're busy doing what you do best, gaslighting the real concerns and lived realities of South Africans.. we are carrying this continent, these are just facts

Here are the 10 African countries with the highest populations of international migrants.


1. South Africa

South Africa, sometimes known as the ‘Rainbow Nation,’ tops the continent with around 2.86 million international migrants. The country’s advanced economy and thriving cultural scene draw people from all over the world. Migrants make important contributions to the labor and enrich the nation’s cultural tapestry. However, the integration process is not without difficulties, since issues concerning water resources and housing persist.

2. Côte d’Ivoire

With 2.56 million international migrants, Côte d’Ivoire exemplifies West Africa’s allure. The nation’s thriving cocoa industry and expanding metropolitan areas provide several prospects for migrants. However, rapid population growth puts a pressure on urban infrastructure, particularly the provision of adequate water supplies and public services.

3. Uganda

Uganda, home to 1.72 million migrants, is known for its welcoming climate, especially for refugees from neighboring countries. The country’s progressive refugee laws allow migrants to work and travel freely, cultivating a sense of community and mutual assistance. However, the migration puts pressure on local resources, particularly in areas where humans and animals compete for water and land.

4. Sudan

Despite its complex conflicts, Sudan has 1.38 million migrants, many of whom are seeking safety and security. The country’s strategic position and rich history make it a major hub for human mobility. Migrants frequently suffer integration barriers and limited access to basic utilities such as clean water.

5. Nigeria

Nigeria’s varied economy draws 1.31 million migrants seeking opportunities in industries ranging from entertainment to technology. However, the country’s large population creates issues in urban planning and resource management, notably in terms of ensuring sustainable water supply.

6. Ethiopia

Ethiopia has a millennia-long history and currently houses 1.09 million migrants. Its thriving coffee industry and expanding manufacturing sector present several chances. However, issues such as water scarcity continue to pose challenges for both natives and migrants.

7. Kenya

Kenya, with 1.05 million international migrants, is East Africa’s commercial and technological hub. The country’s policies have generally favored immigration, resulting in a dynamic cultural and economic landscape. Nonetheless, water management remains a key concern as the city expands.

8. Democratic Republic of Congo

The Democratic Republic of the Congo, home to[b] 0.95 million[/b] migrants, is a land rich in resources and promise. Migrants are drawn to the country’s mineral-rich regions, but continuous conflicts bring considerable risks and obstacles, such as access to clean water and safe living conditions.

9. South Sudan

South Sudan, one of the world’s newest countries, has an estimated 0.88 million migrants. Despite its political volatility, it provides optimism to many people wanting a fresh start. There are significant issues here, particularly in terms of water access and healthcare.

10. Libya

Libya’s geographical location has made it a popular transit hub for migrants headed for Europe. With 0.83 million migrants, it is a key stop on the Mediterranean migration route. However, the country’s persistent violence exacerbates efforts to deliver fundamental amenities, such as access to clean water.

Source:
https://howafrica.com/top-10-african-countries-with-the-largest-migrants/#:~:text=South%20Africa%2C%20sometimes%20known%20as%20the%20%E2%80%98Rainbow%20Nation%2C%E2%80%99,scene%20draw%20people%20from%20all%20over%20the%20world.

Lionessza6:
South Africans and Nigerians insult one another online but never have South Africans made " inflammatory statements " about your government and then turn around to try and sneak in to the same country governed by the same people . Mental illness is real.

The same comme to from your citizens insulting Tinubu? Lack of accountability is your other name

seppuku:
The "means" being employed to achieve that redress. The demonization of the "other".

All you need to do is read the inciteful language being used by the likes of March on March, come back here and tell me it's not propaganda.

The question is are my people being put first" when they are unemployed with degrees but foreigners are? The answer is a resounding NO!..
So why point fingers when my people demand to be put first then?
Stop the overuse of the word "propaganda" because you clearly dont understand its meaning..

seppuku:
Here are the 10 African countries with the highest populations of international migrants.


1. South Africa

South Africa, sometimes known as the ‘Rainbow Nation,’ tops the continent with around 2.86 million international migrants. The country’s advanced economy and thriving cultural scene draw people from all over the world. Migrants make important contributions to the labor and enrich the nation’s cultural tapestry. However, the integration process is not without difficulties, since issues concerning water resources and housing persist.

2. Côte d’Ivoire

With 2.56 million international migrants, Côte d’Ivoire exemplifies West Africa’s allure. The nation’s thriving cocoa industry and expanding metropolitan areas provide several prospects for migrants. However, rapid population growth puts a pressure on urban infrastructure, particularly the provision of adequate water supplies and public services.

3. Uganda

Uganda, home to 1.72 million migrants, is known for its welcoming climate, especially for refugees from neighboring countries. The country’s progressive refugee laws allow migrants to work and travel freely, cultivating a sense of community and mutual assistance. However, the migration puts pressure on local resources, particularly in areas where humans and animals compete for water and land.

4. Sudan

Despite its complex conflicts, Sudan has 1.38 million migrants, many of whom are seeking safety and security. The country’s strategic position and rich history make it a major hub for human mobility. Migrants frequently suffer integration barriers and limited access to basic utilities such as clean water.

5. Nigeria

Nigeria’s varied economy draws 1.31 million migrants seeking opportunities in industries ranging from entertainment to technology. However, the country’s large population creates issues in urban planning and resource management, notably in terms of ensuring sustainable water supply.

6. Ethiopia

Ethiopia has a millennia-long history and currently houses 1.09 million migrants. Its thriving coffee industry and expanding manufacturing sector present several chances. However, issues such as water scarcity continue to pose challenges for both natives and migrants.

7. Kenya

Kenya, with 1.05 million international migrants, is East Africa’s commercial and technological hub. The country’s policies have generally favored immigration, resulting in a dynamic cultural and economic landscape. Nonetheless, water management remains a key concern as the city expands.

8. Democratic Republic of Congo

The Democratic Republic of the Congo, home to[b] 0.95 million[/b] migrants, is a land rich in resources and promise. Migrants are drawn to the country’s mineral-rich regions, but continuous conflicts bring considerable risks and obstacles, such as access to clean water and safe living conditions.

9. South Sudan

South Sudan, one of the world’s newest countries, has an estimated 0.88 million migrants. Despite its political volatility, it provides optimism to many people wanting a fresh start. There are significant issues here, particularly in terms of water access and healthcare.

10. Libya

Libya’s geographical location has made it a popular transit hub for migrants headed for Europe. With 0.83 million migrants, it is a key stop on the Mediterranean migration route. However, the country’s persistent violence exacerbates efforts to deliver fundamental amenities, such as access to clean water.

Source:
https://howafrica.com/top-10-african-countries-with-the-largest-migrants/#:~:text=South%20Africa%2C%20sometimes%20known%20as%20the%20%E2%80%98Rainbow%20Nation%2C%E2%80%99,scene%20draw%20people%20from%20all%20over%20the%20world.

But I don't recall saying other countries didn't have migrants, I said we had the most, as its proven on this list..

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KingCold:
But I don't recall saying other countries didn't have migrants, I said we had the most, as its proven on this list..

Yes of course. You and Ivory coast are fighting over those additional 300,000 for first place.

Don't let us even consider "proportionality" seeing that your population is 60+ million and Ivory coasts is half that or that the size of your country stands at 1.22 million sqkm as to Ivory coasts 320,000sqkm

Poor South Africans, so overwhelmed with problems.

Cognitive dissonance I tell you.

KingCold:
The question is are my people being put first" when they are unemployed with degrees but foreigners are? The answer is a resounding NO!..
So why point fingers when my people demand to be put first then?
Stop the overuse of the word "propaganda" because you clearly dont understand its meaning..

Let's address your so-called premise then.

Can you tell us the percentage of "foreign nationals" that are employed in public schools?

What do you mean by "putting SA first." Do you mean the country should have a "zero" hiring policy for anyone who is not South African. What if these foreign professionals "acquire" citizenship legally. Should you still be prioritized over them and if so on what basis?

seppuku:
Let's test your so-called premise then.

Can you tell us the percentage of "foreign nationals" that are employed in public schools?

What do you mean by "putting SA first." Do you mean the country should have a "zero" hiring policy for anyone who is not South African. What if these foreign professionals "acquire" citizenship legally. Should you still be prioritized over them and if so on what basis?

Jesus Christ..you're so dense, its infuriating

seppuku:
Yes of course. You and Ivory coast are fighting over those additional 300,000 for first place.

Don't let us even consider "proportionality" seeing that your population is 60+ million and Ivory coasts is half that or that the size of your country stands at 1.22 million sqkm as to Ivory coasts 320,000sqkm

Poor South Africans, so overwhelmed with problems.

Cognitive dissonance I tell you.

Is the Ivorycoast facing illegal immigration at the scale of SA? I think not, so lets compare oranges with Oranges here

KingCold:
Jesus Christ..you're so dense, its infuriating

What do you mean by "putting SA first." Do you mean the country should have a "zero" hiring policy for anyone who is not South African?

What percentage of teachers are foreigners in South Africa please?

KingCold:
Is the Ivorycoast facing illegal immigration at the scale of SA? I think not, so lets compare oranges with Oranges here

Do you believe that the 2.36 million migrants in the Ivory coast are documented? If we are not comparing apples to apples, please present evidence to the contrary.

seppuku:
What do you mean by "putting SA first." Do you mean the country should have a "zero" hiring policy for anyone who is not South African?

Is there such a thing in this globalized world? Did I even say this? Can you for once listen and listen well..
I said you import what you lack, (scarce skills) not what you have in abundance..
You cant import doctors from elsewhere while you have hundreds of doctors right here at home marching for jobs.. the concept is really simple

seppuku:
Do you believe that the 2.36 million migrants in the Ivory coast are documented? If we are not comparing apples to apples, please present evidence to the contrary.

That South Africa has an illegal immigration problem is common knowledge at this point... and whatever legal immigration the Ivory Coast might be facing, its nothing close to South Africa in scale and effects..

KingCold:
That South Africa has an illegal immigration is common knowledge at this point... and whatever legal immigration the Ivory Coast might be facing, its nothing close to South Africa in scale

So the answer is no evidence. Hearsay again.

Speaking about effects and scale, here's a population distribution of immigrants in SA by province. It seems your drain on resources are centered mostly in one particular province as economic migrants are drawn to the main economic hub and are mostly self-employed in the informal sector.

Based on the above hypothesis, Please can you explain how your government is prioritizing these migrants and is supposed to shift their "priorities" to citizens?

KingCold:
Is there such a thing in this globalized world? Did I even say this? Can you for once listen and listen well..
I said you import what you lack, (scarce skills) not what you have in abundance..
You cant import doctors from elsewhere while you have hundreds of doctors right here at home marching for jobs.. the concept is really simple

Thank you for the clarity. So you want a "zero" foreign/immigrant policy specifically for the health sector regardless of where the worker is coming from, Europe, Afghanistan, Cuba. Klaar.

What about your nurses working in hospitals in the UK. Should there be a policy to bring them back home as well?

seppuku:
Thank you for the clarity. So you want a "zero" foreign/immigrant policy specifically for the health sector regardless of where the worker is coming from, Europe, Afghanistan, Cuba. Klaar.

What about your nurses working in hospitals in the UK. Should there be a policy to bring them back home as well?

You're putting words in my mouths so as to reach your usual "xenophobia/victim" pity party stance
..
I said and I reiterate, there's no reason to hire foreign when local doctors are unemployed , local unemployed doctors must be given preference, I really can't dumb this down..

UK and South Africa are two different countries with two different employment realities, ours is a country ravaged by huge unemployment especially among the youth, it only makes sense for our people to take precedent over others. Don't make this what its not please

seppuku:
So the answer is no evidence. Hearsay again.

Speaking about effects and scale, here's a population distribution of immigrants in SA by province. It seems your drain on resources are centered mostly in one particular province as economic migrants are drawn to the main economic hub and are mostly self-employed in the informal sector.

Based on the above hypothesis, Please can you explain how your government is prioritizing these migrants and is supposed to shift their "priorities" to citizens?

I dont need a pie chart or graph to tell me we have an illegal immigration crisis.. we see it, we read about it every week, we feel and see the effects on the streets

KingCold:
You're putting words in my mouths so as to reach your usual "xenophobia/victim" pirt party stance
..
I said and I reiterate, there's no reason to hire foreign when local doctors are unemployed , local unemployed doctors must be given preference, I really can't dumb this down..

I am trying to get clarity please. If you are not insinuating a "zero" policy then what percentage between foreign and local Doctors can you articulate is reasonable in this globalist world we live in.

KingCold:
UK and South Africa are two different countries with two different employment realities, ours is a country ravaged by huge unemployment especiallyamong the youth, it only makes sense for our people to take precedent over others. Don't make this what its not please

What precedence is satisfactory to your people, a 95% to 5% ratio. What is the current ratio now so we understand the "scale" of the problem?

This is not algebra my friend.

seppuku:
I am trying to get clarity please. If you are not insinuating a "zero" policy then what percentage between foreign and local Doctors can you articulate is reasonable in this globalist world we live in.


What precedence is satisfactory to your people, a 95% to 5% ratio. What is the current ratio now so we understand the "scale" of the problem?

This is not algebra my friend.

If the local supply of qualified people is exhausted , then look elsewhere, is that simple..

Yes, this is definitely not algebra, im baffled why you're making it complicated. qualified people from a country grappled with unemployed must take fist preference ..this is common sense

KingCold:
I dont need a pie chart or graph to tell me we have an illegal immigration crisis.. we see it, we read about it every week, we feel and see the effects on the streets

Anecdotal evidence is cute my friend but it doesn't really say anything about anything.

I can post 5 videos of African Americans being brutalized by White police officers as a means to convice you that police are violent, however this has nothing to do with the overall stats on police interactions in the US by race