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seppuku:
Anecdotal evidence is cute my friend but it doesn't really say anything about anything.

I can post 5 videos of African Americans being brutalized by White police officers as a means to convice you that police are violent, however this has nothing to do with the overall stats on police interactions in the US by race

You're doing what you do best..arguing for the sake of arguing..

KingCold:
If the local supply of qualified people is exhausted , then look elsewhere, is that simple.

You are dancing around the subject matter so you don't pin yourself against what is the obvious rhetoric.

KingCold:
Yes, this is definitely not algebra, im baffled why you're making it complicated. qualified people from a country grappled with unemployed must take fist preference ..this is common sense

So then you are saying it must be "zero" foreigners, Yes.

seppuku:
You are dancing around the subject matter so you don't pin yourself against what is the obvious rhetoric.




So then you are saying it must be "zero" foreigners, Yes.

Your lack of comprehension is not my problem.

KingCold:
You're doing what you do best..arguing for the sake of arguing..

Those who see the world in black and white would share that assessment.

Some of us always see the gray.

seppuku:
Those who see the world in black and white would share that assessment.

Some of us always see the gray.

You fit that description to the tee..

Things are either "xenophobia" or "propaganda" , so look in the mirror my friend..

You're just a gaslighter with no counter argument, just getting a kick in being contrarian against a South African

KingCold:
You fit that description to the tee..

Things are either "xenophobia" or "propaganda" , so look in the mirror my friend..

You're just a gaslighter with no counter argument..

And you are running away from the fact that your people are anti- black foreigner and cannot articulate the meaning of "put South Africans first" only no more as a slogan to toyi toyi on the streets everyday.

seppuku:
And you are running away from the fact that your people are anti- black foreigner.

Oh heres the played card again. was wondering when it was coming.. this card is a cop-out to critical thinking

My people come first Seppuku, your should come first in Nigeria too.. if this "xenophobia" so be it..

KingCold:
Oh heres the played card again. was wondering when it was coming.. this card is a cop-out to critical thinking

My people come first Seppuku, your should come first in Nigeria too.. if this "xenophobia" so be it..

Gotcha, they should come first 100% of the time. 99.99 percent is unrealistic and unreasonable in this globalist world we live in.

seppuku:
And you are running away from the fact that your people are anti- black foreigner and cannot articulate the meaning of "put South Africans first" only no more as a slogan to toyi toyi on the streets everyday.

Lol.. and funny how youre immediately banned on this forum for speaking the truth innit?

IronGalaxy:
Lol.. and funny how youre immediately banned on this forum for speaking the truth innit?

I didn't ban you. What derogatory thing did you say?

seppuku:
Gotcha, they should come first 100% of the time. 99.99 percent is unrealistic and unreasonable in this globalist world we live in.

Chinese come first in China so what's your point? How are South Africans going to solve their unemployment problems when they import what they already have?

What are you even arguing at this point?

seppuku:
I didn't ban you. What derogatory thing did you say?

i posted the truth, and I know Nigerians hate it..

IronGalaxy:
Chinese come first in China so what's your point? How are South Africans going to solve their unemployment problems when they import what they already have?

What are you even arguing at this point?

I don't know any country that doesn't prioritize their citizens over foreign nationals.

I continue to ask you how "black foreigners" and foreigners in general have been "prioritized" over you. What constitutes this lack of prioritization? Quantify it for me.

seppuku:
I don't know any country that doesn't prioritize their citizens over foreign nationals.

I continue to ask you how "black foreigners" and foreigners in general have been "prioritized" over you. What constitutes this lack of prioritization? Quantify it for me.

Again, what percentage of foreign nationals work in your banks/financial institutions?

Here's the problem, you engage me thinking you already know... this irks me the most about you. I don't deal with percentages here, I deal with experiences, lived reality..

I made an example using last year's march of hundreds of unemployed, South African doctors, my argument is that this shouldn't be happening because our government employs doctors from all over the globe, even from countries such as Cuba, so please dont make this what it's not, by separating "black foreigner" from "foreigner" as if theres an agenda.. theres is not!.. our government countiounsly gives us locals the middle finger so as to appease you African hypocrites so that you dont cry "xenophobia"..

This does not happen with doctors, but with teachers too.. you cant have unemployed South African graduates being replaced with foreigners, this is exactly why people complain of not being put first..

Do you know how many foreigners have businesses but arent paying tax? Let a South African try establish a business and its a red tape nightmare..

How many local South Africans are being edged outof hospital beds to make way of Zimbabwean women from across the border trying to give birth here? Have you been to Coronationville, Rahima Moosa baby hospital?

Whose tax base does the money come from to take care of those foreign babies through SASSA grants?

You know when I was growing up, we use to get jobs just after finishing school or matric, we used to call these jobs "piece jobs" , they were a way to get job experience. ..jobs like in retail, delivery, you could work as waiter at a restaurant or hotel, now all these jobs are flooded with Zimbabweans, all the delivery scooter guys that deliver pizza and stuff is now made of foreigners, waiters too.. its even worse in Cape Town..so dont you think this creates friction or resentment? In a country with such unemployment..? So basically the "piece job" model is no more because our government is careless of who and how they people in this country

Waitering, delivery jobs etc. arent scarce skills, so someone from Malawi leaving Malawi to doing watering jobs here in SA, often undocumented and easily exploited whats likely to come of that?

IronGalaxy:
Here's the problem, you engage me thinking you already know... this irks me the most about you. I don't deal with percentages here, I deal with experiences, lived reality..

I made an example using last year's march of hundreds of unemployed, South African doctors, my argument is that this shouldn't be happening because our government employs doctors from all over the globe, even from countries such as Cuba, so please dont make this what it's not, by separating "black foreigner" from "foreigner" as if theres an agenda.. theres is not!.. our government countiounsly gives us locals the middle finger so as to appease you African hypocrites so that you dont cry "xenophobia"..

This does not happen with doctors, but with teachers too.. you cant have unemployed South African graduates being replaced with foreigners, this is exactly why people complain of not being put first..

I find it hard to sympathize with the above emotionally charged dribble without any statistical information to back up this rage.

How many immigrant or foreign-born doctors or teachers occupy positions in your health care/Educational sector so we see can clearly see how detrimental this is to your society.

On the contrary what I see are a very low doctor to patient ratio despite the number of medical graduates you are churning out which leads me to believe most doctors are employed in the private sector and the government cannot provide more facilities to accommodate more doctors. Please let me know if this is not the case.

IronGalaxy:
Do you know how many foreigners have businesses but arent paying tax? Let a South African try establish a business and its a red tape nightmare..

So the foreigners are circumventing the laws and "not paying taxes" and therefore the government is "prioritizing" their non tax payment obligations over yours? I see.

IronGalaxy:
How many local South Africans are being edged outof hospital beds to make way of Zimbabwean women from across the border trying to give birth here? Have you been to Coronationville, Rahima Moosa baby hospital?

Whose tax base does the money come from to take care of those foreign babies through SASSA grants?

I have zero issues as far as prioritization is concerned here. A legal or illegal migrant should not have access to public services in as much as the non-rendering of these service does not have any long-term adverse effects or consequences to the society at large i.e. emergency situations.

IronGalaxy:
You know when I was growing up, we use to get jobs just after finishing school or matric, we used to call these jobs "piece jobs" , they were a way to get job experience. ..jobs like in retail, delivery, you could work as waiter at a restaurant or hotel, now all these jobs are flooded with Zimbabweans, all the delivery scooter guys that deliver pizza and stuff is now made of foreigners, waiters too.. its even worse in Cape Town..so dont you think this creates friction or resentment? In a country with such unemployment..? So basically the "piece job" model is no more because our government is careless of who and how they people in this country

Waitering, delivery jobs etc. arent scarce skills, so someone from Malawi leaving Malawi to doing watering jobs here in SA, often undocumented and easily exploited whats likely to come of that?

You have a migrant/asylum seeker issue and because of your capitalist intensive economy are competing with unskilled and under-skilled migrants I don't think any right thinking person does not see this.

Now juxtapose this grievance with the rhetoric you see being spewed across social media about Nigerian Kings, Zimbabwean doctors, People taking your wifes, Jolofina's marrying Nigerians, Mozambican highjackers e.t.c and see where the message becomes lost/polluted.

That my friend is what we call Xenophobia.

seppuku:
I find it hard to sympathize with the above emotionally charged dribble without any statistical information that backs this up, so we understand the impact.

How many immigrant or foreign-born doctors or teachers occupy positions in your health care/Educational sector. Surely you if you research this you can give me answers?

On the contrary what I see are a very low doctor to patient ratio despite the number of medical graduates you are churning out which leads me to believe most doctors are employed in the private sector and the government cannot provide more facilities to accommodate more doctors. Please let me know if this is not the case.





So the foreigners are circumventing the laws and "not paying taxes" and therefore the government is "prioritizing" their non tax payment obligations over yours? I see.



I have zero issues as far as prioritization is concerned here. A legal or illegal migrant should not have access to public services in as much as the non-rendering of these service does not have any long-term effects or consequences to the society at large and in the emergency situations.



You have a migrant/asylum seeker issue and because of your capitalist intensive economy are competing with unskilled and under-skilled migrants I don't think any right thinking person does not see this.

Now juxtapose this grievance with the rhetoric you see being spewed across social media about Nigerian Kings, Zimbabwean doctors, People taking your wifes, Jolofina's marrying Nigerians, Mozambican highjackers e.t.c and see where the message becomes lost/polluted.

That my friend is what we call Xenophobia.

I didn't even have to read your epistle to know it's some disputing of our experiences and the usual gaslighting/ victimhood/ xenophobia bs..
done with this BS.
now playing God of War
..

IronGalaxy:
I didn't even have to read your epistle to know it's some disputing of our experiences and the usual gaslighting/ victimhood/ xenophobia bs..
done with this BS.
now playing God of War
..

I share my thoughts for everyone to judge for themselves.

Never liked God of war. Enjoy!

seppuku:
I find it hard to sympathize with the above emotionally charged dribble without any statistical information to back up this rage.

How many immigrant or foreign-born doctors or teachers occupy positions in your health care/Educational sector so we see can clearly see how detrimental this is to your society.

On the contrary what I see are a very low doctor to patient ratio despite the number of medical graduates you are churning out which leads me to believe most doctors are employed in the private sector and the government cannot provide more facilities to accommodate more doctors. Please let me know if this is not the case.





So the foreigners are circumventing the laws and "not paying taxes" and therefore the government is "prioritizing" their non tax payment obligations over yours? I see.



I have zero issues as far as prioritization is concerned here. A legal or illegal migrant should not have access to public services in as much as the non-rendering of these service does not have any long-term adverse effects or consequences to the society at large i.e. emergency situations.



You have a migrant/asylum seeker issue and because of your capitalist intensive economy are competing with unskilled and under-skilled migrants I don't think any right thinking person does not see this.

Now juxtapose this grievance with the rhetoric you see being spewed across social media about Nigerian Kings, Zimbabwean doctors, People taking your wifes, Jolofina's marrying Nigerians, Mozambican highjackers e.t.c and see where the message becomes lost/polluted.

That my friend is what we call Xenophobia.

It's funny how Togo didn't want your "king", same with Ghana, but the same grievance is "xenophobic" once it reaches SA... I also wonder what's "xenophobic" with calling Mozambicans that hijack cars in South Africa.."hijackers" ..i keep saying this "xenophobia" word has los it/s meaning entirely..

seppuku:
I share my thoughts for everyone to judge for themselves.

Never liked God of war. Enjoy!

of course you wouldn't.. a South african likes it

seppuku:
I find it hard to sympathize with the above emotionally charged dribble without any statistical information to back up this rage.

How many immigrant or foreign-born doctors or teachers occupy positions in your health care/Educational sector so we see can clearly see how detrimental this is to your society.

On the contrary what I see are a very low doctor to patient ratio despite the number of medical graduates you are churning out which leads me to believe most doctors are employed in the private sector and the government cannot provide more facilities to accommodate more doctors. Please let me know if this is not the case.





So the foreigners are circumventing the laws and "not paying taxes" and therefore the government is "prioritizing" their non tax payment obligations over yours? I see.



I have zero issues as far as prioritization is concerned here. A legal or illegal migrant should not have access to public services in as much as the non-rendering of these service does not have any long-term adverse effects or consequences to the society at large i.e. emergency situations.



You have a migrant/asylum seeker issue and because of your capitalist intensive economy are competing with unskilled and under-skilled migrants I don't think any right thinking person does not see this.

Now juxtapose this grievance with the rhetoric you see being spewed across social media about Nigerian Kings, Zimbabwean doctors, People taking your wifes, Jolofina's marrying Nigerians, Mozambican highjackers e.t.c and see where the message becomes lost/polluted.

That my friend is what we call Xenophobia.

i like that, once in a while..a Nigerian that speaks the truth emerges ...your people have largely made themselves unlikeable in SA, its a conversation you dont want to have or the truth you want to admit.. thats why even such relations are looked down upon and the women called names like "Jollofina".. the dislike doenst exist in a vacuum

IronGalaxy:
It's funny how Togo didn't want your "king", same with Ghana, but the same grievance is "xenophobic" once it reaches SA... I also wonder what's "xenophobic" with calling Mozambicans that hijack cars in South Africa.."hijackers" ..i keep saying this "xenophobia" word has los it/s meaning entirely..

What was displayed in Togo and Ghana was xenophobic rhetoric, however the ones in your country are on an African wide scale.

Kenya host 1+ million displaced/asylumseeker/economic migrants from Africa. Not one peep from them.

If it quacks like a duck, its a duck.

Go enjoy your game.

IronGalaxy:
i like that, once in a while..a Nigerian that speaks the truth emerges ...your people have largely made themselves unlikeable in SA, its a conversation you dont want to have or the truth you want to admit.. thats why even such relations are looked down upon and the women called names like "Jollofina".. the dislike doenst exist in a vacuum

My people and the Zimbabweans and the Somali and the Ethiopians and the Mozambicans etc.

Who do you like by the way, please don't say people from namibia or Botswana?

seppuku:
My people and the Zimbabweans and the Somali and the Ethiopians and the Mozambicans etc.

Who do you like by the way, please don't say people from namibia or Botswana?

What have those groups brought to SA apart from general lawlessness and entitlement?
I keep saying, you keep pointing fingers at us while sitting in Kaduna, its not gonna work.. you have no clue what goes on here. Right now, a Nigerian is trending for going to social media and bragf8ng that he own RDP houses on whith he rents to poor South Africans, that guys been living here for 8 years with a study visa.. always you and your big mouths innit? Then hide behind the xenophobic card.

We 've been voted one the friendliest countries and yes we do like Batswana and Kenyans and everyone with manners, please don't direct my responses

seppuku:
What was displayed in Togo and Ghana was xenophobic rhetoric, however the ones in your country are on an African wide scale.

Kenya host 1+ million displaced/asylumseeker/economic migrants from Africa. Not one peep from them.

If it quacks like a duck, its a duck.

Go enjoy your game.

Typical. As soon someone doesnt agree with your BS its automatically "xenophobia" always! At what point do you take a look at yourselves? You saw that your little "king" games were not appreciated in Togo, yet you still do the same thing in Ghana, then South Africa.. then wanna play victim?

Kenyans are also complaining about Nigerians primarily.. everybody does

IronGalaxy:
What have those groups brought to SA apart from general lawlessness and entitlement?
I keep saying, you keep pointing fingers at us while sitting in Kaduna, its not gonna work.. you have no clue what goes on here. Right now, a Nigerian is trending for going to social media and bragf8ng that he own RDP houses on whith he rents to poor South Africans, that guys been living here for 8 years with a study visa.. always you and your big mouths innit? Then hide behind the xenophobic card.

That you even take that RDP guy serious demonstrates the levels of you guys emotional fragility. SMH.

IronGalaxy:
We 've been voted one the friendliest countries and yes we do like Batswana and Kenyans and everyone with manners, please don't direct my responses

Ahh, I see have stats on being the friendliest country but zero on number of foreign doctors. I believe you Mfethu.

FYI you don't like Kenyans either, read a couple of weeks ago how you arrested some of them on suspicion of working illegally.

IronGalaxy:
Typical. As soon someone doesnt agree with your BS its automatically "xenophobia" always! At what point do you take a look at yourselves? You saw that your little "king" games were not appreciated in Togo, yet you still do the same thing in Ghana, then South Africa.. then wanna play victim?

Kenyans are also complaining about Nigerians primarily.. everybody does

Don't use reprehensible behavior to justify your own reprehensible behavior. Its unbecoming.

It's like justifying kicking out "all" foreigners because Ghanaians' did it to Nigerians in the past.

seppuku:
That you even take that RDP guy serious online demonstrates the levels of you guys emotional fragility. SMH.



Ahh, I see have stats on being the friendliest country but zero on number of foreign doctors. I believe you Mfethu.

FYI you don't like Kenyans either, read a couple of weeks ago how you arrested some of them on suspicion of working illegally.

Why shouldn't we take him seriously? The question you should be asking is why is it always you with this attitude, this disrespectful, loud attitude, crass behavior, even to the countries that are hosting you? Oh let's also forget he's here on a study visa for 8 years.. typical..

Being friendly and prioritizing our doctors for jobs have nothing to do with each other..

We do like Kenyans, on average they tend to be well behaved,cool headed Africans, who focus on improving their country, we admire that down here.. that they were arrested has nothing to do with them not liked..

seppuku:
Don't use reprehensible behavior to justify your own reprehensible behavior. Its unbecoming.

It's like justifying kicking out "all" foreigners because Ghanaians' did it to Nigerians in the past.

No no no..Seppuku..as soon as someone calls you out .. you point fingers, it's never you, its either people are "lazy, jealous, xenophobic" etc. You are one nationality that hates accountability

IronGalaxy:
Why shouldn't we take him seriously? The question you should be asking is why is it always you with this attitude, this disrespectful, loud attitude even to the countries that are hosting you? Oh let's also forget he's here on a study visa for 8 years.. typical..

You guys are an emotional wreck. A young obnoxious teen looking Nigerian man comes on line and boasts about making money and the whole country is on uproar.

I am laughing so hard right now.

IronGalaxy:
Being friendly and prioritizing our doctors for jobs have nothing to do with each other..

Yes, they do. You can instantaneously provide info for one and are clueless of the other.

IronGalaxy:
We do like Kenyans, on average they tend to be well behaved,cool headed Africans, who focus on improving their country, we admire that down here.. that they were arrested has nothing to do with them not liked..

Kenyans keep a low profile so they fly under the radar. Its what makes them Kenyan.

We wouldn't be Nigerians if we were not loud, boastul, intimidating and commanding. What can I say.

This however has nothing to do with your xenophobia against most i not all Africans.

IronGalaxy:
No no no..Seppuku..as soon as someone calls you out .. you point fingers, it's never you, its either people are "lazy, jealous, xenophobic" etc. You are one nationality that hates accountability

Never use the Lazy or jealousy thing because they are untrue.

Now Xenophobia and propagandists. I stand on those anyday.

seppuku:
You guys are an emotional wreck. A young obnoxious teen looking Nigerian man comes on line and calls you names and the whole country is on uproar.

I am laughing so hard right now.




Yes, they do. You can instantaneously provide info for one of these assertions and are clueless of the other.



Kenyans keep a low profile so they fly under the radar. Its what makes them Kenyan.

We wouldn't be Nigerians if we were not loud, boastul, intimidating and commanding. What can I say.

This however has nothing to do with your xenophobia. Its Africa wide.

We are tired of being disrespected... It's that simple, how about you learn some manners? Let's not forget it was also a Nigerian that was daring the Zulu king not long ago. All these classless moves are always by Nigerians. Always!

Loudness on its own is harmless, but yours is alaways accompanied by disrespect, crass arrogance, wanting to be seen... it's not intimidating, it's off-putting. These traits endear you to no one

All i can say.. foreigners in SA are viewed with how they've presented themselves since the dawn of democracy..its a give and take situation.. in SA theres a particular strong dislike for Nigerians...and it didn't fall from the sky.. just check how far back this article is...and people are still complaining about the same thing even today and you gonna blame them for having reservations about you??