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Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 6:37pm On Apr 10
MaxInDHouse:
Well Jesus COMMANDED all those believing in him never to use weapons in settling issues {Matthew 26:52} so if anyone believes in the use of weapons to settle issues such a person doesn't believe in the only begotten Son of God.
Let's leave what will happen to all those who refuse to accept/ believe in the wise counsel God's only begotten Son gave us! John 3:16🙂
Why do you want to start going in circles?

Hey, Jesus commanded all those believing in Him never to use weapons. It's okay, we have heard. No one is disputing that.

But, did Jesus command nations and rulers the same? Do you know that even Jehovah Himself is fondly called "Jehovah, the Man of W@r"?

Exodus 15:3, which states, "The LORD is a man of w@r: the LORD is his name".

God commanded wars for Israel as a Nation several times in the Bible. The wae against the Canaanites (Hittites, Jebusites, Amorities, etc) were all commanded by God. God commanded Gideon against the Moabites. Zilba and Zalmunna were annihilated from a war commanded by God. Og, King of Bashan, and Sihon, king of the Amorities were eliminated by a war spearheaded by God Himself.

Infact, David in his confrontation with Goliath called the armies of Israel "The armies of the Living God."

But, yes the same God says "Thou shalt not kill", and that you must love your neighbor as yourself. All these are God's standards for individuals , not nations., and not rulers. Rulers MUST bear the sword, otherwise evil would prevail.

If JWs are the only ones ruling none Muslim countries today , there'll be no single Christian in the world. Islamic terrorists would have finished everybody.

So, I still need to ask you again:

MaxInDHouse:
World Rulers are not servants of God
Whom should we believe? You, or the Bible!/?

Romans 13:4:
"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason..

Where is your brother in lies, Truthseeker10 Lieseeker10, e don japa?
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m):
FxMasterz:
But, did Jesus command nations and rulers the same? Do you know that even Jehovah Himself is fondly called "Jehovah, the Man of W@r"?
Jesus said his government (Kingdom) is no part of this world otherwise he can't be arrested in the presence of his armies or attendants {John 18:36} so he can't give orders to world rulers who are no part of his government nah!😟

But as for his own disciples (subjects) Jesus is our Master, Lord and King!🙂
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 7:40pm On Apr 10
MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said his government (Kingdom) is no part of this world otherwise he can't be arrested in the presence of his armies or attendants {John 18:36} so he can't give orders to world rulers who are no part of his government nah!😟

But as for his own disciples (subjects) Jesus is our Master, Lord and King!🙂
So, you mean there's no single world ruler who believes in Jesus?

Jesus spoke to both His current and future disciples. Do you.mean there's no world ruler who has believed in Jesus and is or was a disciple of Jesus before he died? I am sure you would only what to mischievously quote this part of my response and cut off the rest in your next mention. But, let me stop you on your tracks, and let you know that main response is here below:

Jesus addressed many rulers in His day. You're just lying that He could only address His disciples. Jesus addressed many people from all walks of life including rulers. He didn't tell them to disband their soldiers!

He addressed Nicodemus a Jewish leader, Pontius Pilate the governor, Darius tje ruler of the synagogue, etc.

Jesus even made a parabke about a king going to.war with another king that has a greater army. Jesus advised that that king should sit down and think very well if he can use 10,000 soldiers to conquer 20,000 soldiers coming against him. Jesus said he should consider it wisely whether to proceed to the battle or seek conditions for peace if he thinks he won't be able to win. Jesus didn't say any of those kings must disband their armies. He didn't condemn them for warring. He only provided advice for the weaker king.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:12pm On Apr 10
FxMasterz:
So, you mean there's no single world ruler who believes in Jesus?
Jesus is Lord over his disciples so they believe and obey his counsel.
There is no ruler who obeyed Jesus till today because his counsel is not optional rather a compulsion for anyone who wants to be saved.
So when Jesus said:
“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" Matthew 26:52
None of his disciples (subjects) is left out all of us must OBEY Jesus as our Master, Lord and King.
Of course many of the rulers in the first century believe Jesus is the Christ but they denied him publicly! John 12:42-43
WHY?
Because they wanted to keep their position and affluence in world politics.
For instance one of them approached Jesus and the first thing he did was to go on his knees before Jesus {Mark 10:17} this shows the man is convinced in his heart that Jesus is the Christ but then can he comply with Jesus' counsel?
His later action shows it's impossible for any worldly politicians to fully accept Jesus as Lord.
How?
Jesus looked at the man with compassion and told him:
“There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower" Luke 18:22
This exactly is what Satan offered Jesus {Luke 4:6-7} so the riches, affluence and position in worldly politics comes from Satan that's why Jesus told this ruler to get rid of it all and come to be one of his followers.
What did the politician do next?
The Bible said:
But he grew sad at the answer and went away grieved, for he had many possessions. Mark 10:22
So can any worldly politician gain entrance into God's Kingdom?
Jesus' next remark answered the question:
“How difficult it will be for those having money to make their way into the Kingdom of God! It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” Luke 18:24-25
Please do you know any worldly ruler who has ever given away his political riches and affluence for Christ's sake?🤔
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 9:41pm On Apr 10
MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is Lord over his disciples so they believe and obey his counsel.
There is no ruler who obeyed Jesus till today because his counsel is not optional rather a compulsion for anyone who wants to be saved.
So when Jesus said:
“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" Matthew 26:52
None of his disciples (subjects) is left out all of us must OBEY Jesus as our Master, Lord and King.
Of course many of the rulers in the first century believe Jesus is the Christ but they denied him publicly! John 12:42-43
WHY?
Because they wanted to keep their position and affluence in world politics.
For instance one of them approached Jesus and the first thing he did was to go on his knees before Jesus {Mark 10:17} this shows the man is convinced in his heart that Jesus is the Christ but then can he comply with Jesus' counsel?
His later action shows it's impossible for any worldly politicians to fully accept Jesus as Lord.
How?
Jesus looked at the man with compassion and told him:
“There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower" Luke 18:22
This exactly is what Satan offered Jesus {Luke 4:6-7} so the riches, affluence and position in worldly politics comes from Satan that's why Jesus told this ruler to get rid of it all and come to be one of his followers.
What did the politician do next?
The Bible said:
But he grew sad at the answer and went away grieved, for he had many possessions. Mark 10:22
So can any worldly politician gain entrance into God's Kingdom?
Jesus' next remark answered the question:
“How difficult it will be for those having money to make their way into the Kingdom of God! It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” Luke 18:24-25
Please do you know any worldly ruler who has ever given away his political riches and affluence for Christ's sake?🤔
Jesus spoke to both His current and future disciples. Do you.mean there's no world ruler who has believed in Jesus and is or was a disciple of Jesus before he died? I am sure you would only what to mischievously quote this part of my response and cut off the rest in your next mention. But, let me stop you on your tracks, and let you know that main response is here below:

Jesus addressed many rulers in His day. You're just lying that He could only address His disciples. Jesus addressed many people from all walks of life including rulers. He didn't tell them to disband their soldiers!

He addressed Nicodemus a Jewish leader, Pontius Pilate the governor, Darius tje ruler of the synagogue, etc.

Jesus even made a parabke about a king going to.war with another king that has a greater army. Jesus advised that that king should sit down and think very well if he can use 10,000 soldiers to conquer 20,000 soldiers coming against him. Jesus said he should consider it wisely whether to proceed to the battle or seek conditions for peace if he thinks he won't be able to win. Jesus didn't say any of those kings must disband their armies. He didn't condemn them for warring. He only provided advice for the weaker king.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:08pm On Apr 10
FxMasterz:
He addressed Nicodemus a Jewish leader, Pontius Pilate the governor, Darius tje ruler of the synagogue, etc.
Did Nicodemus prove to be a believer in Christ Jesus?
This is the Bible's answer:
This one came to him in the night and said to him:
“Rabbi, we know that you have come from God as a teacher, for no one can perform these signs that you perform unless God is with him.” John 3:2


What did Jesus say about people who denied him before others?

"But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 10:33

Now a former blind man acknowledged Jesus before everyone and this is what the Pharisees (Nicodemus group) said to this blind man?

“You are a disciple of that man, but we are disciples of Moses.  We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where he is from.” John 9:28-29

Was Nicodemus truthful when he said "we know that you are from God" {John 3:2} of course not he was talking about himself alone while all other members of his group never accepted that Jesus came from God {READ John 7:52} and that is why he couldn't openly confess his faith in Christ Jesus! John 12:42

So Nicodemus is not a good example of Christ disciples!

Pontius Pilate sentence Jesus to death!
Can you do that as a BELIEVER in Jesus?😟

Ọmọ if you don't believe in Jesus there is no problem i'm only showing you what it means to be a true disciple of Christ Jesus.

We must disown ourselves and live our life for Jesus {Matthew 16:24; 2Corinthians 5:15} that is what no worldly politician can do!🙂
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by chimex38: 12:46pm On Apr 11
Rulers and government are Gods appointed Ministers to serve the people..

Are they not primarily in place by God to maintain law and order and to punish erring citizens according to their misdeeds.

If they fall astray or abuse power,i believe they will also receive God's wrath as he wishes.

How can one unilaterally say all rulers are from Satan?
shocked
So we should oppose and fight against the Authorities and Government?
Just as we oppose and fight Satan?
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by chimex38: 12:50pm On Apr 11
Assuming but not conceding that they are from Satan, how can we then live as a people without law and order?

Knowing humans and their complex personality traits, some operate on instinct without reason, wild nature,etc.
Can humans be trusted enough to live by themselves?


What justification do one have to proof that humans will do much better as a people without rulers and fair guiding rules than with government rulers?
Cuz it's the only way to proof that all rulers are from the Devil.
and thus, should be opposed and fought against and one shouldn't have anything to do with Government leadership (as inferred).
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:39pm On Apr 11
chimex38:
Rulers and government are Gods appointed Ministers to serve the people..

Are they not primarily in place by God to maintain law and order and to punish erring citizens according to their misdeeds.

If they fall astray or abuse power,i believe they will also receive God's wrath as he wishes.

How can one unilaterally say all rulers are from Satan?
shocked
So we should oppose and fight against the Authorities and Government?
Just as we oppose and fight Satan?
I'm happy that you recognise that rulership comes from God's appointment which we see He appointed Moses, then the Judges and then when Isreal still did not get it but wanted to do follow follow, Saul, David, Solomon. But when did God appoint other people to become kings of their land? None

And this is why governments are unlawful as the word government is from the word God Overment

And Boko haram and colonialist have shown us that government comes from thieves and armed robbers (bandits) hence they are from Satan
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 2:42pm On Apr 11
MaxInDHouse:
Did Nicodemus prove to be a believer in Christ Jesus?
This is the Bible's answer:
This one came to him in the night and said to him:
“Rabbi, we know that you have come from God as a teacher, for no one can perform these signs that you perform unless God is with him.” John 3:2


What did Jesus say about people who denied him before others?

"But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 10:33

Now a former blind man acknowledged Jesus before everyone and this is what the Pharisees (Nicodemus group) said to this blind man?

“You are a disciple of that man, but we are disciples of Moses.  We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where he is from.” John 9:28-29

Was Nicodemus truthful when he said "we know that you are from God" {John 3:2} of course not he was talking about himself alone while all other members of his group never accepted that Jesus came from God {READ John 7:52} and that is why he couldn't openly confess his faith in Christ Jesus! John 12:42

So Nicodemus is not a good example of Christ disciples!

Pontius Pilate sentence Jesus to death!
Can you do that as a BELIEVER in Jesus?😟

Ọmọ if you don't believe in Jesus there is no problem i'm only showing you what it means to be a true disciple of Christ Jesus.

We must disown ourselves and live our life for Jesus {Matthew 16:24; 2Corinthians 5:15} that is what no worldly politician can do!🙂
My dear, stop all these falsehoods and let us teach you sound doctrine.

Nicodemus was actually a disciple of Jesus. He even joined in burying Jesus alongside Joseph of Arimathea. And if you don't believe that, go read the Bible very well. Read the screenshot I added too.

Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:50pm On Apr 11
Before John the baptist whoever rules in any part of this planet could remain a servant of God but after John declared saying:
“Repent, for the Kingdom (government) of the heavens has drawn near.” Matthew 3:2
Satan began working towards another direction and his motive is the use all means within his reach to fight against the Christ and his kingdom so nobody from that moment could be a ruler in any part of the world and remain loyal to God.
That's why Jesus said:
"From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom {government) of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it" Matthew 11:12
You may not understand this is what he is saying:
From the days of John the baptist loyal, faithful and sincere humans fitting to rule with the Christ are willing to work with him as his corulers but only those who are ready to give it whatever it takes are reaching out for it!
Satan immediately started giving human kings lots of devilish rituals that will involve human blood which is to make them kill their conscience but whoever can't do so must forget about rulership because if you are not wicked just like Satan he won't be pleased to have you as one of his corulers in any part of the earth:
“I will make you king over all these places. You will have power over them, and you will get all the glory. It has all been given to me. I can give it to anyone I want." Luke 4:6
Imagine a person whose deeds pleases Satan the Devil!😟
So my friend no ruler from that time could be a friend of Jesus unless you are ready to give up Satan's government.
You must choose one side!😟

FxMasterz:
My dear, stop all these falsehoods and let us teach you sound doctrine.
Nicodemus was actually a disciple of Jesus. He even joined in burying Jesus alongside Joseph of Arimathea. And if you don't believe that, go read the Bible very well. Read the screenshot I added too.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m):
The world will have their kings while we (subjects of Christ) remain in their midst as strangers that's why we are not loyal to any human government.
We Christians can live without their laws but they can't live without their own rulers because with Jesus we are righteous and we use God's word for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God (Christian) may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2Timothy 3:17-17
Human rulers are for worldly people not Christians our own government is in Christ Jesus the heavenly government that is why we use God's word to rule among ourselves while the world use Satan's government! 1John 5:19🙂
chimex38:
Assuming but not conceding that they are from Satan, how can we then live as a people without law and order?
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 10:54am On Apr 12
MaxInDHouse:
Before John the baptist whoever rules in any part of this planet could remain a servant of God but after John declared saying:
“Repent, for the Kingdom (government) of the heavens has drawn near.” Matthew 3:2
Satan began working towards another direction and his motive is the use all means within his reach to fight against the Christ and his kingdom so nobody from that moment could be a ruler in any part of the world and remain loyal to God.
That's why Jesus said:
"From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom {government) of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it" Matthew 11:12
You may not understand this is what he is saying:
From the days of John the baptist loyal, faithful and sincere humans fitting to rule with the Christ are willing to work with him as his corulers but only those who are ready to give it whatever it takes are reaching out for it!
Satan immediately started giving human kings lots of devilish rituals that will involve human blood which is to make them kill their conscience but whoever can't do so must forget about rulership because if you are not wicked just like Satan he won't be pleased to have you as one of his corulers in any part of the earth:
“I will make you king over all these places. You will have power over them, and you will get all the glory. It has all been given to me. I can give it to anyone I want." Luke 4:6
Imagine a person whose deeds pleases Satan the Devil!😟
So my friend no ruler from that time could be a friend of Jesus unless you are ready to give up Satan's government.
You must choose one side!😟
Lol. Very warped theology.

God is in control of the universe. He is the God of the entire universe. ,"The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof". It is God who sets up and demotes rulers. Nebuchadnezzar thought he was in absolute control but God turned him into a beast "till he came to know that the Most High ruleth in the affairs of men." (Daniel 4:17). Infact, Mr. Nebu later confessed:

"He changes times and seasons; he deposes kings and raises up others[/b,]. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning." (Daniel 2:21).

God showed Nebuchadnezzar and later, Daniel all the successive kingdoms that'll rule the world until God's kingdom takes over. All those kingdoms were planted and uprooted by God Himself.

Satan cannot appoint rulers but he can manipulate appointed rulers, and turn the kingdom of that ruler to himself.

The "John the Baptist - Kingdom of God talk, was for every human to understand that God has a Kingdom that is separate from human kingdoms, and from the days of John the Baptist, that Kingdom is now accessible to men. Jesus then said:

"The kingdom of God cometh not with observation. Neither would they say, lol here or lo there. [b]"The kingdom of God is among you.
'' (Luke 17:21).

The Kingdom of God is currently among us spiritually, waiting for the physical manifestation at Christ's return. We believers are pressing into the kingdom today. It has been so since the days of John the Baptist.

Now, let's teach you sound doctrine.

God created the heavens and the earth. He then decided to delegate the administration of the earth to man, and then gave Adam the dominion over the earth (Psalm 115:16). Satan took the dominion after man fell. The Dominion is what Jesus has come to restore. This is the main reason why Jesus refers to Himself as the Son of man because, by so doing, the dominion is restored back to man through the Son of man. When Jesus sizes back the dominion, the Son of man would be ruling the earth on behalf of man and as man. Then, the words of the seventh angel would be fulfilled:

Revelation 11:15:

"The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

But, after the fall, Satan does not assign rulers. God does. However, Satan can hijack any kingdom as long as the ruler is not in relationship with God. God is a God of order, that is why there are rulers. Satan wants chaos. He doesn't want rulers. But he can't do anything about it. So, what he does is to hijack rulers and become the spiritual prince controlling the physical human prince. He has a vast network of hijacked kingdoms, and that's why he is the god of this world. A few kingdoms whose rulers stand for God and are true worshippers are not Satan's territories.

When we talk of rulers, we are not just talking of nations or cities. We're talking about every strata of human endeavors from the family unit where the father is the ruler to the heads of organizations up to the kings and presidents over nations.

For instance, your GBs are the rulers over your organization, and it is clear that they're under the control of Satan because they walk in deception and are never found to be in the truth.

In a nutshell, God sets up kings and demotes kings. Nicodemus was a ruler who Jesus never asked to cancel the nation's armies. Rulers bear the sword for good reasons according to the Bible. Individuals should not bear sword but nations must, because that's the only way to curtail evil. Satan rules the world through his proxies (kings that have submitted to him). However he does not set up kings or demote kings. That's God's prerogative alone.

Finally , The Kingdom of God is already here among us. Come in as I can see you're still outside. You must be born again, and that includes Truthseeker10.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:34pm On Apr 12
FxMasterz:
God is in control of the universe. He is the God of the entire universe.
We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world. 1John 5:16

God is the Creator but Satan is in control of the largest number of people!
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 3:20pm On Apr 12
MaxInDHouse:
We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world. 1John 5:16

God is the Creator but Satan is in control of the largest number of people!
Very well established by my analysis. The evil one controls the whole world through his numerous network of proxies.

This further reinforces what I told you.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:51pm On Apr 12
FxMasterz:
Very well established by my analysis. The evil one controls the whole world through his numerous network of proxies.
This further reinforces what I told you.
So who is controlling the world rulers? 2Corinthians 4:4
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 4:02pm On Apr 12
MaxInDHouse:
So who is controlling the world rulers? 2Corinthians 4:4
God appointed them. The Bible says "they're God's servants for your good." Simple.

No one is talking about who controls them. They're not all controlled by the same persons.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:09pm On Apr 12
FxMasterz:
God appointed them. The Bible says "they're God's servants for your good." Simple. No one is talking about who controls them. They're not all controlled by the same persons.
FxMasterz:
Very well established by my analysis. The evil one controls the whole world through his numerous network of proxies.
This further reinforces what I told you.
Which world ruler is not connected to the network Satan is using to control the world?🙂
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 4:24pm On Apr 12
MaxInDHouse:
Which world ruler is not connected to the network Satan is using to control the world?🙂
Any leader that is a follower of Christ is not connected to Satan's network. That includes many true servants of God who hold Territories for God in the Church, business and in organizations.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:29pm On Apr 12
FxMasterz:
Any leader that is a follower of Christ is not connected to Satan's network. That includes many true servants of God who hold Territories for God in the Church, business and in organizations.
Can you mention a country that is ruled by a true Christian?🙂
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 4:31pm On Apr 12
MaxInDHouse:
Can you mention a country that is ruled by a true Christian?🙂
You should first mention the countries that are ruled by true devils.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:37pm On Apr 12
FxMasterz:
You should first mention the countries that are ruled by true devils.
According to the Bible Satan is the ruler of the world and you agreed with that the Bible also said Satan offered Jesus a position under his government:

“I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. If you, therefore, do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.” Luke 4:6-7

So from the above scriptures it's clear that there is no country on this planet that's not ruled by Satan otherwise he can't say "all these authorities"

But if you feel there is any country where a true believer in Christ is ruling please share the information let me know!🙂
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 5:26pm On Apr 12
MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible Satan is the ruler of the world and you agreed with that the Bible also said Satan offered Jesus a position under his government:

“I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. If you, therefore, do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.” Luke 4:6-7

So from the above scriptures it's clear that there is no country on this planet that's not ruled by Satan otherwise he can't say "all these authorities"

But if you feel there is any country where a true believer in Christ is ruling please share the information let me know!🙂
You don't understand the Scriptures.

What I'm telling you is that God appoints rulers. Not Satan. And the Bible says the rulers are God's servants, and that believers should submit to these authorities.

But, you said the Bible lied and that your doctrine is more dependable than the Bible.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:33pm On Apr 12
The highlighted is where you erred because Satan openly declared that he is the one appointing human rulers from the time of John the baptist. Luke 4:6-7

So i'm presenting a balanced view of what the Bible teaches!

God permitted Satan's agents so as to maintain law and order among their own people while we live peacefully in their midst because we exhibit the fruit of God's holy spirit against which there is no law they can pass as bill. Galatians 5:22-23🙂


FxMasterz:
You don't understand the Scriptures.
What I'm telling you is that God appoints rulers. Not Satan. And the Bible says the rulers are God's servants, and that believers should submit to these authorities.
But, you said the Bible lied and that your doctrine is more dependable than the Bible.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by FxMasterz(op): 11:00pm On Apr 12
MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is where you erred because Satan openly declared that he is the one appointing human rulers from the time of John the baptist. Luke 4:6-7

So i'm presenting a balanced view of what the Bible teaches!

God permitted Satan's agents so as to maintain law and order among their own people while we live peacefully in their midst because we exhibit the fruit of God's holy spirit against which there is no law they can pass as bill. Galatians 5:22-23🙂
False prophet. This is what the Bible says:

Romans 13:1-7;

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by chimex38: 2:34am On Apr 13
Romans 13:1-7:
From the New World Translation(NWT)-Bible and study edition:
Never mentioned Governments, Authority and Secular Rulers as coming from Satan.

Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by chimex38: 2:40am On Apr 13
Verse by verse Breakdown and overview of Romans 13:1-4 from JW website

Never mentioned Governments, worldly Authorities and Secular Rulers as coming from Satan.
They are God's Ministers and Servants.

Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by chimex38: 2:44am On Apr 13
Continuation.....

Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by chimex38: 2:45am On Apr 13
Rulers are constantly linked to God in all JW explanations.

The word Satan was never ever mentioned.

Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by chimex38: 2:55am On Apr 13
Link to extracts above:
(if using phone, open in Desktop mode to view the Explanation overview yourself)


https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/romans/13/

God was written as the foundation of Secular rulers, Government and Ministers.
Satan wasn't written anywhere in the explanation overview of Romans 13:1-4 & 7
Re: Too Many Gods. Who Exactly Is The True God? Who Is The Creator? by MaxInDHouse(m):
Institution doesn't mean destination o!

When a child is born a parent wish his child become either a doctor, lawyer, engineer or entrepreneur in the future so the child is sent to school (institution) not just to learn how to become what they wanted but also to mingle with different kinds of people and know what to expect in the future because it's these same kind of people that will make up the society in which the child is to practice whatever he has learned in the institution.
The right question we need to ask ourselves is:
If my parents have the power to stop all evildoers in the society do i still need to spend years in the institution?
The answer is NO!
So also when God's Kingdom comes all human governments will be destroyed completely {Daniel 2:44} because by then only God's government will reign over all the earth and there will be no need of human government anymore!
FxMasterz:
False prophet. This is what the Bible says: Romans 13:1-7;
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
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