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WatchYourSix:
Mary was pregnant with Jesus when she went to see her older cousin Elizabeth who was already married and barren for many years and was also pregnant at the times….elizabeth couldn’t have spoken to a 12 year old with such respect and honor… but hey your imams never tell you about this…
….Like I said I won’t argue theology with you because u dont even read and know your own Quran and Hadith.. u only know what your imams and scholars feed you… so how would u even read to know the bible….

P1PrinceKT:
You can say whatever you like against Islam or Quran provided it's based/written in your
Book. No one cares. If abusing other Gods is Biblical then go ahead no one will challenge you.

Otherwise if you abuse us just because your mind tells you to do so or you're obsessed the with religion.

That will be considered blasphemy!

As to your sayings that Muslims say Jesus is not son of God, it is because it's written in the Quran and you can't change this fact! that is our book 📕🫂 not because we are obsessed with your doings.
👉Infact we don't care about you more than you do about us.

Finally is abusing other gods and prophets Biblical?

Layi4real:
Firstly, the honor was about who Mary was chosen to be, not how old she was proved by Luke 1:39 downward.
Secondly, In 1st-century Jewish society girls were often betrothed soon after puberty and Puberty was commonly around 12–13 years old so it is largely believed in Christianity that Mary married at 12yrs

As for Aisha, There is only one hadith by Hisham which suggests the age of Hazrat Aisha as being nine when she came to live with her husband and many scholars disproved this bcus Hazrat Aisha narrates that she was present on the battlefield at the Battle of Badar. This leads one to conclude that Hazrat Aisha moved into the Prophet’s house in 1 A.H. But a nine-year-old could not have been taken on a rough and risky military mission.

In 2 A.H, the Prophet refused to take boys of less than 15 years of age to the battle of Uhud. Would he have allowed a 10-year-old girl to accompany him? But Anas reported that he saw Aisha and Umme Sulaim carrying goatskins full of water and serving it to the soldiers.

another prove is that There is consensus that Hazrat Aisha was 10 years younger than her elder sister Asma, whose age at the time of the hijrah, or migration to Madina, was about 28. It can be concluded that Hazrat Aisha was about 18 years old at migration. On her moving to the Prophet’s house, she was a young woman at 21.

So therefore Aisha age is a misery that is not solved. some say 9 others says 18 Nd 21. they are just hadith not from the Quran bcus quran didn't mention her age.

nairalanda1:
Problems with the story

1. The cleric has no name
2.The victim who is being fatwaed has no name
3. For all we know, this could be a scam video or even skit self.

P.S...I am not denying or excusing anything by the way. But abeg, make people no come and manipulate us. I am waiting for more details sha.

P1PrinceKT:
Since you claimed that Bible states that Jesus is a son of God that's fine.
"Kul hatu burhanakum in kuntun saadiqin" 'Provide and evidence if you're truthful' ( You have a solid point for that).

Can you provide an evidence of why you abuse our prophet or our God? It's because you've seen it in the Bible or not?

But u can kill them right?


We're not abusing your gods not because we don't know how to do it. But because we follow the teachings of our book 📕.

Read this Quranic verse.

👉"And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do"


Don't you have something similar to that in your religion that shows respect to other religions?

If not that's why 👇.
Almost all of the Muslims support death 💀sentence for blasphemy, since sth must be missing that teaches good upbringing in other religions.

victoryenergy:
This is what is going on in Iran, Gaza, Yemen, Turkey, and all other islamic affiliated countries, this is what Trump and Netayahu are fighting against, Nigeria I sorry sorry ooo

Layi4real:
Let me remind u that we are speaking English here and not the language of jesus I.e Hebrew or Language of Muhammad i.e Arabic. so me as a Muslim calling prophet Isa as Jesus is very right because that is the English name for it. check it anywhere just like I can call Allah as God too bcus that is the translational word for it. There is nothing like been a trouble maker because both Christians and Muslims borrowed the English language to translate the original text of the holy book for us to understand.
Another thing is that Quran didn't steal from the bible as the Qur'an was revealed to Muhammad directly from God through angel Gabriel. And if u check well the story of Jesus and Mary in the Qur'an is slightly different and more preserved than what is in Ur bible. The Quran version is the perfect and not tampered story of Jesus Nd Mary. The Quran talk about them and other prophet that comes before Jesus as well. so quran did not copy from any book.

Let me school u about bowing to kaabah. Muslims face the kaabah for worship they do not worship the kaabah which u call Blackstone. saying they worship the Blackstone is like u saying the Christians that goes to churches and knelt to the Sculpture of Mary or Jesus are worshipping the bronze or clay used in making the sculpture. The early Christians too has a tradition of facing the he East to worship too. so don't put mouth for wetin Uno understand.

If I think Jesus is not in the Quran goan get Ursef English Quran and see if u won't see Jesus clearly written there.

SIRTee15:
No problem. But just know that u can't tell Christians what they seem as blasphemy neither can I tell a Muslim what they seem blasphemy.

The problem with u is u view the world thru an Islamic lens this whatever Quran say is true and must be enforced.

But if I do the same with the bible then I see no problem calling Mormor a false prophet or Allah a pagan god. because my Bible tells me to do just that.

U don't tell me what provokes me as a Christian just like I don't tell u what provokes u as a Muslim.
The idea that Muslims should be the one that determines what's provocative for all religion makes no sense.

U don't tell me how to respect the Jesus Christ in the bible, we should be the one to tell u.


Otherwise I will use my own bible to decide what to respect in the Quran and I'm sorry to say I can barely see anything at all.

My bible clearly tells me bowing before a stone or any image at all is paganism. It doesn't matter who does it be it Christian or Muslim...paganism is paganism.

And facing a direction is completely different to bowing towards a direction. As a man with mass in space, I will always face a direction in spatial orientation so it's dumb for u to equivocate bowing to facing.
But it's the Islamic logic/reasoning we dealing with here so not surprised.

And as for Mary being 12, that's a big lie. She was called a woman in the bible and a woman is a female who has completed puberty and that is around 14-16 yrs.
Besides 12 yr old female is called little girl in the bible and not a woman

Finally Isa is not Yasu, he's not Yehushua, he's not Jesus. He's an impostor.
Isa and Yehushua has no phonetical or linguistic connection. We don't know him, he's the one who said he's not the son of Allah and we don't care.

Layi4real:
nothing concern me as a Muslim with ur view about jesus and other prophet of Ur book neither does nothing concern u about mine. the fact remains that Muslims still has the right to speak about Jesus as he was portray in the holy Qur'an and no Muslims will ever use negative word for jesus or any other prophet of the book bcus it's going to be counted as blasphemy. As for the Christians u have every right to speak about the people of Ur bible but since u didn't regards Muhammad as a prophet in Ur book u got to take Ur mouth of him or better still don't use negative or cursed words on him or lie about him as he isn't Ur prophet

SIRTee15:
My bible tells me whoever deny Jesus is not the son of God has a false spirit.
Mormor says Jesus is not the son of God, doesn't that make him a false spirit.

Maybe u guys should stick to the actual narrative - Isa said he's not the son of Allah. We don't care.

The day u respect Jesus the way we want u to respect him, that's the day u should demand we should respect Mormor the way u want him respected.

Anything apart from this is postponement of the D day.

nairalanda1:
I don't know. Ask your local Muslim friend


Good afternoon. Go Google for Salman Rushdie. See ya

anonimi:
Jagaban of Borgu is a serial betrayer of Yorubas, southerners and the entire country for his selfish ambition.

His party also cares less about Christians and Igbos hence why Kanu is in prison while they negotiate with terrorists and kidnappers to release school children.

Lukuluku69:
Matthew 21:11: "And the crowds were saying, 'This is the prophet, Jesus, from Nazareth of Galilee'" (ESV).
Luke 7:16: "...They glorified God, saying, 'A great prophet has arisen among us!'".


Luke 24:19: "...Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people".


John 4:19: The Samaritan woman says to Jesus, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet".


John 6:14: "Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world".


Mark 6:4: Jesus refers to himself as a prophet, stating, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown...".


Acts 3:22 & 7:37: Peter and Stephen identify Jesus as the fulfillment of Moses' prophecy in Deuteronomy 18:15: "The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren...".

The verses above, are they also insulting JC as the Jews would call him?

Lukuluku69:
Go right ahead and "ban" me! Lol

Duhncee, answer the question.

When your forerunners kill and burn at the stake those who challenged the Bible, what spirit was leading them?

AntiChristian:
Terrorism is the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to incite fear, coerce governments, or intimidate societies, generally to achieve political, religious, or ideological goals.

I don't see a Muslim or Christian. He's either a terrorist or not!

Saturnalia:
The thing is, why must anybody insult someone else’s god?

Why can’t they just resist the demonic urge of insulting what others hold onto as their gods?

Why can’t you just live and let other’s live?

You will go and find the trouble that is bigger than your papa and then turn around and start crying foul when the consequences of your actions come biting.

Dbegining:
In all the verses you quoted none was said by Jesus himself.

Meaning Jesus never called himself a prophet.

The first one was that people THOUGHT he was a prophet. There wasn't anything greater than a prophet at that time UNTIL THE SON OF GOD CAME.

Secondly, the phrase"a prophet is not without honor except in his own town...." Is a saying of the Jews similar to a proverb inferring that Jesus wasn't honored in his own hometown.

Lastly, the last verse you quoted in Acts shows Moses saying the Lord will raise a "prophet" like me.

Shows the manner in which God will reveal Jesus. Meaning that he will first be rejected. That verse never said the Messiah will be a prophet.

But what we have in the bible is that the reason JESUS was KILLED is that he referred to himself as THE SON OF GOD!

Now stop this blasphemy! Respect our religion!

JESUS IS NOT ISA!

jmoore:
Quran and Islam have been insulting Jesus Christ by calling him a prophet. But Christians are not declaring death sentence on Muslims for this insult.

These Muslim clerics have not placed bounty on Boko Haram ISWAP terrorists for the havoc they are spreading in northern Nigeria.

Lukuluku69:
You guys are so confused, Pity is having pity on you!

Read Deuteronomy 18:18

Deuteronomy 18:18-20 (KJV) I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

When Muslims say the Priphet mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:18 is Prophet Muhammad, you Christians will be quick to claim it for Jesus 😆

Depending on the twist you want to let fly, he can be a Prophet when you want him to be and he can be a god when you want him to be.

Continue o.

The fact of the matter is this: The people Jesus lived amongst considered him a Prophet as those verses portrayed and innever reaf anywhere Jesus ever corrected them that he is God and that they should stop addressing him as a Prophet.

monex:
@ view it from their perspective. ok so saying Mohammed is not a prophet is not as insult if you view it from the Christians perspective and know what a prophet is to Christians

also "So how does Muslims attributing the highest possible divine status to Jesus an insult?" prophet is not a divine status either in both Islam and Christianity

Dbegining:
I like where where headed.

1. The fact that people saw Jesus as a prophet doesn't mean they're correct. They also called him a drunkard and a glutton. They were wrong.

The fact remains that the reason JESUS was killed is because he calmed to be THE SON OF GOD!

FULL STOP.

Now unto the verse you posted:

Moses never knew about Jesus in full. In fact Abraham knew little about Jesus. That is why Jesus said "Abraham longed to see my day" and "before Abraham was I AM" how Dan Moses fully depict one who was before him and even before Abraham was given birth to?

Moses qualified Jesus with the highest honor he could think of. That is why later on when other Prophets came like Isaiah, they called Jesus the Son if God.

Isaiah said: Unto us a SON is born, Unto us a Child is given. The government shall be in his shoulders. His name will be called........ Everlasting Father, Mighty God!!


But that was not even Moses point. What Moses was trying to tell the Israelites was that "the stone that was rejected will be one the Chief cornerstone"

Just as Moses was rejected and then later became the savior of the Israelites from the hands of pharaoh, Jesus the sin of GOD will be rejected by then but will be their savior.

JESUS IS NOT ISA!

If you want to call Isa a prophet, that's fine. Nobody is dragging that with you. But you must know that [b]Islam came 600 years after Christianity [/b]and can not dictate what the name of Jesus is!

JESUS IS NOT ISA. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD!

Lukuluku69:
We will come to the Isaiah you quoted after we finish with Deuteronomy 18:18.

So, who was the Prophet "like unto" Moses that that verse talked about?

Do you know or not?

Has that Priphet come or he is still being awaited?

Dbegining:
See, you need to be calm and meek before you can learn.

You see, MOSES used the words "like unto me" because

1. Jesus was coming to save the Jews and also the whole world; just like God used Moses to save the Israelites from Pharaoh.

2. Just LIKE Moses was initially rejected by his own people, Jesus also will be rejected first before he is now later accepted; something that has ben proven to be true!


3. Moses used the words "like" because JESUS IS NOT A PROPHET! He has the similar characteristics of Moses as a prophet, but is far greater than Moses.

That's why Hebrews says "Moses was faithful as a servant over God's house but JESUS is found of GREATER HONOR than Moses..... As he us found as a SON in all of God's house"!

You must note the use of the word "like" in the statement of Moses that said "God will raise you a prophet like me"

Like means "similar" not "the same"

And know the limitations of Moses in his ability to see into the future. The future Abraham longed to see.

You see MOSES did not have a clear depiction and wasn't perfect.(You know God killed him because he disobeyed? I hope that one is at least in your Quran)

He only spoke to the extent at which he could. The highest he could ever phantom at that point was a prophet. But God revealed His SON as greater than MOSES just as Hebrews shows.

Dbegining:
I like where where headed.

1. The fact that people saw Jesus as a prophet doesn't mean they're correct. They also called him a drunkard and a glutton. They were wrong.

The fact remains that the reason JESUS was killed is because he calmed to be THE SON OF GOD!

FULL STOP.

Now unto the verse you posted:

Moses never knew about Jesus in full. In fact Abraham knew little about Jesus. That is why Jesus said "Abraham longed to see my day" and "before Abraham was I AM" how Dan Moses fully depict one who was before him and even before Abraham was given birth to?

Moses qualified Jesus with the highest honor he could think of. That is why later on when other Prophets came like Isaiah, they called Jesus the Son if God.

Isaiah said: Unto us a SON is born, Unto us a Child is given. The government shall be in his shoulders. His name will be called........ Everlasting Father, Mighty God!!


But that was not even Moses point. What Moses was trying to tell the Israelites was that "the stone that was rejected will be one the Chief cornerstone"

Just as Moses was rejected and then later became the savior of the Israelites from the hands of pharaoh, Jesus the sin of GOD will be rejected by then but will be their savior.

JESUS IS NOT ISA!

If you want to call Isa a prophet, that's fine. Nobody is dragging that with you. But you must know that Islam came 600 years after Christianity [/b]and can not dictate what the name of Jesus is!

JESUS IS NOT ISA. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD!

SuperOnyi:


Let me do something you haven't done, and that's answering and responding to what you're actually talking about. No responsible Christian would insult anyone.

Again, it is also biblical to BELIEVE that JESUS isn't just an ordinary prophet, and it's also biblical to BELIEVE that the Bible was no ordinary texts. Why don't you respect that?

If the Qur'an says that all of Christians' beliefs are false, keep it to yourself! If truly it is true, God will lead them to Islam.

And... Oh, I just realized the kind of person I'm actually talking to. Good luck with your belief, man. When that religious war you're longing finally comes, it will be interesting to see how extremists like you would murder and behead billions of Christians, atheists, budhists, "moderate" Moslems, Hindus, pagans, for "blasphemy."

And before I stop ignoring your messages, here's a summary of my post: Stop forcing your beliefs that Jesus is a prophet down Christians' throats or that the Bible is "corrupted." Keep that belief in the mosques and amongst your Moslem brothers and sisters.

Let Christians believe in what they believe. I know more about Islam than you ever did.

Unlike Christians, I believe in 'an eye for an eye,' I'm very respectful but I truly believe in violence.

Respect other people's religion — simple! If you bring insult upon the name of Allah's Prophet because of your disrespect for people of the Book, you'll bear the consequences of your extremist actions.

You think you know better than the people that welcomed the Pope to the Mosque of Algeria? How come none of them started blasting him with "Jesus is a prophet, not God! The Bible has been corrupted!"

Learn to be diplomatic. Be wise.

Dbegining:
Thus is the issue with you muslims. You have left the real issue.

Let's stay on point.

1. Do you condemn the action of the preacher?

2. The matters you are referring to was an internal issue in Christianity that has ended when christians killed christians. Not Christians killing Muslims.

Unlike now that Sunni Muslims are killing Shia Muslims as seen in the El-Zak Zaky case in Kaduna.

Lukuluku69:
Isaiah 9:5-7 (KJV) For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this


.If I may ask, what government was upon the shoulder of Jesus? Someone who did not rule over even a street in Judea? When he walked this earth in all his life, he was a subject! Never ruled a village, even a hamlet! Yet the prophecy says " ..the government shall be upon his shoulder.."

Please give me references where Jesus was called Wonderful, Counsellor, the mighty God, the Everlasting father and the Prince of peace in the Old and New Testament!


Did Jesus ever judge between anyone? You remember the brother that came to him to judge between him and his brother? What was Jesus response to him?

12:
12:13: "Someone in the crowd said to him, 'Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.'" (NIV)
12:14: "Jesus replied, 'Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?'"
12:15: "Then he said to them, 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.'" (NIV)

I don't know what is wrong with you Christians really, if you want a detailed exposition of who that Prophecy is meant for, please ask.....

Lukuluku69:
Please give me references where Jesus was called Wonderful, Counsellor, the mighty God, the Everlasting father and the Prince of peace in the Old and New Testament!

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Lukuluku69:
Increase in which government? The Throne of David? While Jesus was here, Herod, an Idumean (Edom) sat on David Throne and Jesus was dragged before that same seat for judgement.

Lukuluku69:
Did Jesus ever judge between anyone? You remember the brother that came to him to judge between him and his brother? What was Jesus response to him?

12:13: "Someone in the crowd said to him, 'Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.'" (NIV)
12:14: "Jesus replied, 'Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?'"
12:15: "Then he said to them, 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.'" (NIV)

Lukuluku69:
And you need to open your mind to relearn some of the things you considered the truth in this!

1. That verse I quoted was Jehovah/Yahweh addressing Moses and not the words of Moses. Jehovah is telling Moses He (Jehovah) will raise amongst the Israelites a PROPHET who will be LIKE MOSES for the Children of Israel in the future. So, those words are not Moses' words but that of Jehovah.
2. LIKE UNTO YOU! Did Moses save the whole world? Did he lay down his life as a ransome like your Jesus?

All your comparison of Moses with Jesus are kind of funny because we can actually insert every israelite Prophet in place of Jesus, and they will ALL fit. ALL

I can give you a dozen dissimilarities between Moses and Jesus that are iron cast so much so you can't say Deuteronomy 18:18 was for Jesus!

What the verse is saying is that whoever the Israelites will be awaiting in the future will be like Moses!

Moses was a law giver, a Stateman, a warrior, a soldier, married , and a family, a Judge was Jesus any of these? Was he a Law Giver, was he a stateman, did he married and you claim Jesus is God in some other places, was Moses also part of Godhead?

You see every other stuff you wrote about Moses not having a clear depictions is arrant ........ Are you saying Yahweh who talked to Moses face to face as you claimed can't express himself succinctly to Moses? Is that not a disrespect to Yahweh himself?

Are you saying Jehovah is not capable of mentioning the word "son" to Moses but choose "Prophet in that verse?

Are you thinking at all?

Lukuluku69:
That verse I quoted was Jehovah/Yahweh addressing Moses and not the words of Moses.

Lukuluku69:
I can give you a dozen dissimilarities between Moses and Jesus that are iron cast so much so you can't say Deuteronomy 18:18 was for Jesus!

Lukuluku69:
Did Moses save the whole world? Did he lay down his life as a ransome like your Jesus?

Lukuluku69:
Are you saying Jehovah is not capable of mentioning the word "son" to Moses but choose "Prophet in that verse?

Lukuluku69:
Are you thinking at all?

Lukuluku69:
1. The Preacher stand condemned. He is only saying that out of his volition and I think instead of bringing the video to the general public, the first place that video ought to be is with the Relevant Government Agency namely the DSS, Police and the Armed Forces. He should be fished out and punished severely. No mercy+

2. I know the matter what when Christians burned people at the stakes for dissent, difference in opinions, Sects etc and what I asked him was this: what Spirit was directing the Christians then that have seemingly abandoned or change tactics that today Christians don't do as such. He couldn't answer and ran away under the excuse that I have adult kids and greying 😆. Can you give an answer?

3. I have not heard of Sunni Muslims killing Shia Muslims in Kaduna, what I do know is that the Shia blocked a major highway and some of them had an issue with the Nigerian Army and they were dealt with accordingly. So, please can you share a link to this Sunni Muslims killing of Shia Muslims in Kaduna as you posted?

Thanking you as you obliged 😆

Lukuluku69:
2. I know the matter what when Christians burned people at the stakes for dissent, difference in opinions, Sects etc and what I asked him was this: what Spirit was directing the Christians then that have seemingly abandoned or change tactics that today Christians don't do as such. He couldn't answer and ran away under the excuse that I have adult kids and greying 😆. Can you give an answer?