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Negroid001:
✓ See long write up. So what football club do you support? Sorry what religious denomination do you belong to?

I don't do religion or football. 🥱🥱

Omoawoke:
Provide a proof anywhere in the world that Orunmila did what you claimed….

I don’t like conversing with unintelligent people, it’s so difficult actually…

And sorry, nothing is clean about Christinity..

The entire Bible is so detty and filled with the most barbarically inspired verses anyone can ever think of

1. Father sleeping with daughter
2. Someone spilling semen on floor
3. Israel god commanding Israelite to kill all the women, children, and suckling babies ?
4. A bear tearing 42 kids apart and eating them
5. Jepthath sacrificing his daughter and buring her alive for jehoavh
6. People eating babies

Lol, the list of abominations are endless

Ignoring your deflection,i have already asked you if Orunmila was not involved in the wars like the Owu War or the Osogbo war or the Ibadan-ijebu wars and you did not deny it, so you cannot be asking me to prove what you yourself have impliedly admitted.

Atheism just like religion is alien to human culture. No recorded atheism movement before the advent of Christianity. Atheism is a response to religion. None of our ancestors were atheists because there was no religion. Prof Soyinka is now saying he accepts the traditional way but he is an atheist!. That is a contradiction. No ancient Yoruba person was an atheist. Why will you be an atheist when there is sufficient proof of the spirit world?

Atheism is only a response to people describing God as a mad man who is burning people in hell for unbelief. No right thinking person will accept that definition of God and that gave rise to atheism for those who had nothing to fall back on

Estello:
https://applesbite.com/islamic-and-christian-god-not-my-belief-wole-soyinka/

May Jesus open your eyes. And quickly too.

Kobojunkie:
Why are even the most learned among Nigerians some of the most ignorant? I can't seem to wrap my head around this. 😒😒😒

Not trying to hold brief for any religion but want to understand exactly how did this man come away concluding that the traditional orisa worship we have in Yoruba land is less associated with violence? is he suggesting we turn a blind eye to the violence of money rituals or ritual murders for example? 😒😒

I happen to have read somewhere that he is or was a cultist and we all know it is associated with traditional worship ideas. Are cults equally less violent? 😒😒''

2. He is free to believe in whatever he chooses; but he does not have freedom to make up his own facts, abeg. To this day, we don't know whether much of the kidnapping happening across Nigeria is connected to orisa worship or not but the pattern seems to follow in many cases.😒

This is what the Bible says about the Gospel, aka THE POWER OF GOD TO SAVE BELIEVERS.

1 Corinthians 1:18-21
[18]For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
[19]For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
[20]Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
[21]For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

Kobojunkie:
Why are even the most learned among Nigerians some of the most ignorant? I can't seem to wrap my head around this. 😒😒😒

Not trying to hold brief for any religion but want to understand exactly how did this man come away concluding that the traditional orisa worship we have in Yoruba land is less associated with violence? is he suggesting we turn a blind eye to the violence of money rituals or ritual murders for example? 😒😒

I happen to have read somewhere that he is or was a cultist and we all know it is associated with traditional worship ideas. Are cults equally less violent? 😒😒''

2. He is free to believe in whatever he chooses; but he does not have freedom to make up his own facts, abeg. To this day, we don't know whether much of the kidnapping happening across Nigeria is connected to orisa worship or not but the pattern seems to follow in many cases.😒

Yes you can use nuclear energy for war or prosperity. All know how is like that. Your character is what is important. You can use spiritual energy for anything conceivable both good and bad. However religion (Christianity and Islam) spread harmful beliefs and conclusions about God which makes people fight and kill each other over God. This is a new thing that we have never seen before on Earth and it needs to stop. Do you know any other group describing God as a mad man burning people in hell for unbelief apart from Christians and Muslims?

Kobojunkie:
I don't do religion or football. 🥱🥱

But you do God.
Which one of em, Odin, Yahaweh or Zeus?

goslowgoslow:
If they are confused or not that is your headache I am not an atheist. I was only explaining to you what they believe and that is none of my business. Unfortunately comprehension is a problem for a lot of people like you.

is there a true religion

goslowgoslow:
You truly have comprehension problems despite my explanation he is still repeating the same thing.
Everybody knows that God is the supreme Spirit but there are other spirits.
Well at this point you can look for an atheist for better explanation. Have a good day not responding to you again.

who are those spirits? Are there powerful? ancestors

Omoawoke:
Provide a proof anywhere in the world that Orunmila did what you claimed….

I don’t like conversing with unintelligent people, it’s so difficult actually…

And sorry, nothing is clean about Christinity..

The entire Bible is so detty and filled with the most barbarically inspired verses anyone can ever think of

1. Father sleeping with daughter
2. Someone spilling semen on floor
3. Israel god commanding Israelite to kill all the women, children, and suckling babies ?
4. A bear tearing 42 kids apart and eating them
5. Jepthath sacrificing his daughter and buring her alive for jehoavh
6. People eating babies

Lol, the list of abominations are endless

which Religion is correct

potland:
which Religion is correct

Only Christianity!

But there is a secret most people don't know:

Christianity is like two perfect prophets one supporting the other in their works they are the two folds of sheep under one shepherd {John 10:16} both were slaughtered in the first to second century {Revelation 11:7} and replaced with falsehood which is now widespread claiming Christians today.

The real disciples of Christ don't meddle with worldly politics nor participate in wars!

potland:
which Religion is correct

Religion was created by over zealous human beings. It is the opposite of science. When you have books that can't be peer reviewed and beliefs that must not be questioned as well as super human people then you have religion. Other things are science. All traditional spiritualities that don't claim the monopoly of truth is science. They listen to themselves and learn from each other and they don't describe God as a mad man who is burning people in hell for unbelief. There is no true religion and the only thing acceptable is science

potland:
who are those spirits? Are there powerful? ancestors

Ask the atheist, I was only mentioning their beliefs I am not one of them okay? I don't know why comprehension is so difficult for you people.

potland:
is there a true religion

Go and ask your ancestors! See question.

Negroid001:
➜But you do God. Which one of em, Odin, Yahaweh or Zeus?

I have read there are over 4000 different religions meaning they are at least 4000 different deities/pantheons out there at this point. 🤔

lawani:
➜Yes you can use nuclear energy for war or prosperity. All know how is like that. Your character is what is important. You can use spiritual energy for anything conceivable both good and bad. However religion (Christianity and Islam) spread harmful beliefs and conclusions about God which makes people fight and kill each other over God. This is a new thing that we have never seen before on Earth and it needs to stop. Do you know any other group describing God as a mad man burning people in hell for unbelief apart from Christians and Muslims?

Stop telling these stewpid lies, abeg! You do realize that these biased posts of yours undermine your intelligence. 🤔🤔

mirrael68:
➜ This is what the Bible says about the Gospel, aka THE POWER OF GOD TO SAVE BELIEVERS.
1 Corinthians 1:18-21
[18]For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
[19]For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
[20]Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
[21]For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

This man did not say he believes in the God of the Israelites, so I don't see why you think it is what is needed here. 🤔🤔

Kobojunkie:
I have read there are over 4000 different religions meaning they are at least 4000 different deities/pantheons out there at this point. 🤔

Which one you be😂😭

You dey confuse me bro

Negroid001:
➜Which one you be😂😭 You dey confuse me bro

I told you I am not religious; I deal instead with facts. And I explained that I recognize that there are likely over 4000 religious pantheons out there. (By the way, this includes the atheistic patheon as I recognize Atheism as a religion, too.) What's confusing about all of that?🤔

Kobojunkie:
I told you I am not religious; I deal instead with facts. And I explained that I recognize that there are likely over 4000 religious pantheons out there. (By the way, this includes the atheistic patheon as I recognize Atheism as a religion, too.) What's confusing about all of that?🤔

Which sect you belong to

Negroid001:
Which sect you belong to

I don't do sects or anything related to religion. 😒

Kobojunkie:
I don't do sects or anything related to religion. 😒

You come dey tackle me. You no serious😂

Negroid001:
➜You come dey tackle me. You no serious😂

You did not read my earlier response...the long writeup..., did you? 😒

Dtruthspeaker:
Ignoring your deflection,i have already asked you if Orunmila was not involved in the wars like the Owu War or the Osogbo war or the Ibadan-ijebu wars and you did not deny it, so you cannot be asking me to prove what you yourself have impliedly admitted.

You accused someone of being involved in something and I asked you bring proof,…
Then you are asking to me proof he wasn’t involve 😂😂

Kobojunkie:
I told you I am not religious; I deal instead with facts. And I explained that I recognize that there are likely over 4000 religious pantheons out there. (By the way, this includes the atheistic patheon as I recognize Atheism as a religion, too.) What's confusing about all of that?🤔

Kobojunkie, where have you been?
I don miss you oo 😂

Omoawoke:
, where have you been? I don miss you oo 😂

Why would you miss someone who has been here all along? 😒

Kobojunkie:
Why would you miss someone who has been here all along? 😒

I’ve not been paying attention…

Kobojunkie:
I don't do religion or football. 🥱🥱

You said you only deal with facts ? What facts are those ? Before the microscope was invented people would have sworn bacteria and microorganisms did not exist. Because science cannot prove something does not mean that thing does not exist. You talk of 4,000 dieties. That is a very small number . What of 25,000,000,000 billion god's called human beings ?

How many friends does a man have ? Maybe like 5 if he is smart. How many fake friends does a man have 100.

Because someone has a friend does not mean that friend is real. Because someone worships a God does not mean that God is real.

Fake friends and fake Gods.

Real friends and Real God.

Alikoooooooooo:
➜You said you only deal with facts ? What facts are those ? Before the microscope was invented people would have sworn bacteria and microorganisms did not exist. Because science cannot prove something does not mean that thing does not exist. You talk of 4,000 dieties. That is a very small number . What of 25,000,000,000 billion god's called human beings ?
➜ How many friends does a man have ? Maybe like 5 if he is smart. How many fake friends does a man have 100.
➜ Because someone has a friend does not mean that friend is real. Because someone worships a God does not mean that God is real. Fake friends and fake Gods. Real friends and Real God.

1. If you had paid more attention, you would have noted that I said that about 4000 religions were implying that there are at least 4000 different religious pantheons out there. The context here is religion. The topic is, after all, about religion. 😒

2. There are lots of smart folks out there who don't have friends; they prefer acquaintances.

3. Real or fake , in this case, remains subjective. Right?😒

Omoawoke:
You accused someone of being involved in something and I asked you bring proof,…
Then you are asking to me proof he wasn’t involve 😂😂

See fallacy of reversing the burden of proof! 😁

If you know you are right, why are you dodging and trying to reverse the burden of proof? 😁

I gave you a known fact for you to rebut you but rather counter, you are dodging and moved post to demand further proof. It does not work that way 🤣🤣🤣

Kobojunkie:
1. If you had paid more attention, you would have noted that I said that about 4000 religions were implying that there are at least 4000 different religious pantheons out there. The context here is religion. The topic is, after all, about religion. 😒

2. There are lots of smart folks out there who don't have friends; they prefer acquaintances.

3. Real or fake , in this case, remains subjective. Right?😒

I'm not being negative but I will say You have fallen my hand badly

In science there is something called Working to Scale. Working to Scale is the acknowledgement that science does not change

All organisms on earth have highly similar traits. The need for energy to survive. Organisms need food to survive. Fires need food to spread. A fires food is air or more flammable substances. Fires are not alive but they need " energy " to burn. A goat needs food to convert into Energy. This is what Scientists call scale.
. You'd probably ask what energy does God use ? The sun has been burning for the past billions of years and has not burnt out. Is that not strange ? How can a fire burn for billions of years.

You can do research on why the sun does not burn out to find out.

As I said Microorganisms did not exist till the microscope was invented because we could not see them is this statement true ? Or is it Micro organisms did exist but we only saw them when we really wanted to see them. So whoever created the microscope believed there was something there and wanted to see what. The word is belief every scientific advancement is born out of belief because those inventions do not exist.

Real or fake like every thing is Objective. If you have a girl friend it is subjective till YOU SIT DOWN AND DO UNEMOTIONAL CALCULATIONS. Once you take away emotion is how you see clearly. How do you know a fake relationship ? In life relationships are like breathing, that is a relationship is " inhale exhale " if you keep giving and get little or nothing back then you know it is fake . If people cannot keep their words it's because their minds are not there. If their minds are not there their hearts are not there. So their words can be seen not to allign with the state of their hearts. Get rid of emotion and people see clearly.

Kobojunkie:
Stop telling these stewpid lies, abeg! You do realize that these biased posts of yours undermine your intelligence. 🤔🤔

Soyinka's statements have zero meaning when he says traditional religion or Orisha was less violent it is very shocking. He is a Yoruba man who does not even know the history of his people. were among the most violent people.before the colonials came into Nigeria. always fighting wars among themselves as if they were playing Yoruba Football League. Ijebu versus Egba, Ife vs Ibadan. so much and disliked each other so much . They sold each other as slaves. Tribal Marks on the face were invented as a way of knowing who was your ijebu brother and who was not. Ijebu had their own set of marks, Ekiti had their own set of marks. They couldnt even think of putting the marks on the hand it had to be on the face.
Soyinka should talk of the high level of slavery among his people in the past. And to show just how clever he was the confraternity system he helped give birth to turned into cultism and extremely violent menace on Nigerian campuses. Are churches in Nigeria violent ? Our just a place where the mentally unstable congregate into. Is anyone scared of talking to a Christian. Is anyone scared of talking to a cultist. Wole Soyinka has highly selective memory. What he created for good purposes in his time became violent as time went on.

What public steps has he taken to correct the violence ?