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Tilewizy:
You keep on bringing up the gospel of John 13.

Ok, i'm sorry sir i thought Jesus is the one speaking about how to IDENTIFY his disciples in the verse o.

So it's just John writing whatever he like shey?

Now it's clear!🤣

When their preferred pulpit men talks they swallow it hook line and sinker and off they go with the words of their pastors but when it's time to defend what their pastors infused in their heads they will start looking for escape root.

Just imagine someone who confidently said a group he knew very well with fine qualities worth emulating are not Christians whereas they are the people going from house to house preaching just as Jesus commanded. Matthew 10:11-13

They are the most peaceful and organized people on planet earth! Matthew 10:16

They are the only group that keeps love strong among them to the most distant part of the earth! John 13:34-35

Tilewizy:
I have read your submissions.
I can say for a truth, the Jehovas witness I have come across live very calm and peaceful lives in most cases worthy of emulation.

Matthew 5:16

But to our friend:

Tilewizy:
They are not Christians because;

WHY?
Because his pastor told him so!🤣

MaxInDHouse:
Ok, i'm sorry sir i thought Jesus is the one speaking about how to IDENTIFY his disciples in the verse o.

So it's just John writing whatever he like shey?

Now it's clear!🤣

This is the exact thing our brothers from the other religion do. They pick something from the bible, hold on to it and try to ask direct questions about it.

You seem to respond to my comments very quickly.

I have taken ample time to lay my submissions on what Christianity is all about and what the Christian journey looks like in various comments sections below.
At least discuss or engage intelligently, you can ask what I mean by this or that statement.

From my very first submission, you never even rose good critics about the points or claims, in other words making my assertions correct.

You went around quoting scriptures with no meaning.

I had to even put down a heart felt prayer.

Do not contunue to mislead people. Thank God for this generation we are in, you guys no longer move around spreading the false teachings in the name of evangelism.

With boldness I write that, anything short of those points listed in the previous comment section is not Christianity.

The church of God is one body and one spirit. You can not isolate yourself from the rest and call yourselves true followers of Jesus Christ, and the rest are led astray. Its not possible!

MaxInDHouse:
When their preferred pulpit men talks they swallow it hook line and sinker and off they go with the words of their pastors but when it's time to defend what their pastors infused in their heads they will start looking for escape root.

Just imagine someone who confidently said a group he knew very well with fine qualities worth emulating are not Christians whereas they are the people going from house to house preaching just as Jesus commanded. Matthew 10:11-13

They are the most peaceful and organized people on planet earth! Matthew 10:16

They are the only group that keeps love strong among them to the most distant part of the earth! John 13:34-35

Matthew 5:16

But to our friend:


WHY?
Because his pastor told him so!🤣

Not because my pastor told me so, because they don't carry the spiritual meaning of living a Christian life. In other words, the word of God they teach themselves have just literal meaning, they remove the faith part and reduce the person of the Holyspirit. This and more they do makes every true Believer knows that they aren't Christians.

Tilewizy:
You never even rose good critics about the points or claims, in other words making my assertions correct.

You mentioned "TRINITY" and i asked you to quote TRINITY in the Bible since it's one of the reasons you said JWs are not Christians.
If you say someone is not a Christian for not believing something at least you should be able to first quote that thing in the Bible before laying any claim nah!😂

Ọmọ this is where your pastors got the idea of TRINITY below you can check any search engine for origin of TRINITY!😀

MaxInDHouse:
You mentioned "TRINITY" and i asked you to quote TRINITY in the Bible since it's one of the reasons you said JWs are not Christians.
If you say someone is not a Christian for not believing something at least you should be able to first quote that thing in the Bible before laying any claim nah!😂

Ọmọ this is where your pastors got the idea of TRINITY below you can check any search engine for origin of TRINITY!😀

You keep mentioning pastors. Everyone who God calls he gives them gifts for the sake of His kingdom.
Acts 10:34 - Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Trinity is an English word for 3 in 1.
1st John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Tilewizy:
Not because my pastor told me so, because they don't carry the spiritual meaning of living a Christian life. In other words, the word of God they teach themselves have just literal meaning, they remove the faith part and reduce the person of the Holyspirit. This and more they do makes every true Believer knows that they aren't Christians.

All these are words of mouth the holy spirit is the only reason why a group studying the Bible could WORTH EMULATING just as you yourself said.

Note that Jesus didn't say "by their beliefs" but "by their fruits" {Matthew 7:16-18} which means you may be carrying false religious beliefs up and down thinking it's the right thing but when you observe the fine fruit of God's holy spirit in any group {Galatians 5:22-23} yet claiming they don't belong to Christ simply because their beliefs doesn't align with what you were taught in your own religion then something is wrong!🙂

Tilewizy:
You keep mentioning pastors. Everyone who he calls he gives them gifts for the sake of his kingdom.
Its an English word for 3 in 1.

1st John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Guy the highlighted was a fabrication from the same people who tried to merge pagan traditions with the Bible. That verse is not in all translations.

Do the research today!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
All these are words of mouth the holy spirit is the only reason why a group studying the Bible could WORTH EMULATING just as you yourself said.

Note that Jesus didn't say "by their beliefs" but "by their fruits" {Matthew 7:16-18} which means you may be carrying false religious beliefs up and down thinking it's the right thing but when you observe the fine fruit of God's holy spirit in any group {Galatians 5:22-23} yet claiming they don't belong to Christ simply because their beliefs doesn't align with what you were taught in your own religion then something is wrong!🙂

I laugh at your level of ignorance to think God is a man to be impressed by your so-called display of fine fruits.

Having the so-called fruits is good. At least in the secular world, there are good people. You don't need to belong to any religion to be a good person.

But God is interested in your heart as He calls you to fellowship with Him.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy the highlighted was a fabrication from the same people who tried to merge pagan traditions with the Bible. That verse is not in all translations.

Do the research today!🙂

You see why I said you are not Christians!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy the highlighted was a fabrication from the same people who tried to merge pagan traditions with the Bible. That verse is not in all translations.

Do the research today!🙂

John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

Is the words from Jesus a fabrication from a pagan religion aswell?

Tilewizy:
You see why I said you are not Christians!

you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32

Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine. 1Thessalonians 5:21

Go and make your own personal research instead of arguing blindly!😀

Tilewizy:
I laugh at your level of ignorance to think God is a man to be impressed by your so-called display of fine fruits.

So all the people you've met and admitted are WORTH EMULATING just made it up shey?

But how come they are able to put on the new personality {Ephesians 4:22-24} that's of God's holy spirit if they are not walking with the spirit of God? Galatians 5:22-23🙂

MaxInDHouse:
you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32

Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine. 1Thessalonians 5:21

Go and make your own personal research instead of arguing blindly!😀

With all the pictures you put on, what message have you conveyed? Is it not same scripture with same meaning.

The true witnesses is carried out the Holyspirit being in unison with man's spirit, hence we don't need any further research outside the bible.

Job 32:8 -
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding

MaxInDHouse:
So all the people you've met and admitted are WORTH EMULATING just made it up shey?

But how come they are able to put on the new personality {Ephesians 4:22-24} that's of God's holy spirit if they are not walking with the spirit of God? Galatians 5:22-23🙂

Like I said earlier, having a face of "fine fruits" doesn't mean anything in the sight of God. Some other religions also stresses the need of being good.

Before God, your righteousness is like filthy rag to Him. It's by grace we are saved, not by works.

Tilewizy:
With all the pictures you put on, what message have you conveyed? Is it not same scripture with same meaning.
The true witnesses is carried out the Holyspirit being in unison with man's spirit, hence we don't need any further research outside the bible.

The Bible you are reading is CORRUPTED that is what Bible scholars are telling you.

This is what is found in the Bible book of 1John 5:7

For there are three witness bearers: NWT

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For there are three that testify: NIV‬

Only the KJV version was corrupted with that fabrication.

Check the Jerusalem Bible or American Standard Version or Revised Standard version!😀

Tilewizy:
Like I said earlier, having a face of "fine fruits" doesn't mean anything in the sight of God. Some other religions also stresses the need of being good. Before God, your righteousness is like filthy rag to Him. It's by grace we are saved, not by works.

Now you're complicating issues for yourself!😂

Our SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS which anyone can claim he has {Isaiah 64:6} and say he or she doesn't need to learn anything from Christ is what the Bible say is like filthy rags before God not the New Personality {Ephesians 4:22-24} which a believer puts on to bear the fine fruit of God's holy spirit o!😀

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible you are reading is CORRUPTED that is what Bible scholars are telling you.

This is what is found in the Bible book of 1John 5:7

For there are three witness bearers: NWT

‭
For there are three that testify: NIV‬

Only the KJV version was corrupted with that fabrication.

Check the Jerusalem Bible or American Standard Version or Revised Standard version!😀

As you see me finish, you end your discussion by saying the bible we all Christian read is corrupted.

Na only una get the ogbongeh bible. No be juju be that?

Can we now draw a conclusion that since we don't even have same source of the bible, how can we understand each other?

I have kept saying this over and over, that these guys aren't Christains, as there's some sort of brain washing, deviation from the truth, twisting of the scriptures and misrepresentation of God's divine ordinance.

They may look pretty from without and appear good in behaviour, but its occultic.

Do you think God would sit in heaven and watch His word become corrupted from year to year, decades to decades and century to century.

Let me show you some scriptures to tell you how important is His word

Matt. 24: 35 - Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Deut. 4:2 - Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

And finally,
2nd Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Tilewizy:
As you see me finish, you end your discussion by saying the bible we all Christian read is corrupted.

Now you are confirming what i said that it's whatever your pastors say you swallow.
Who told you the KJV is the only Bible version believers can use?

What about
1. JERUSALEM BIBLE
2. RSV
3. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
4. NIV
5. ESR
6. NASB
7. NWT

Guy you are not a Bible scholar rather a churchgoer so calm down and learn!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're complicating issues for yourself!😂

Our SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS which anyone can claim he has {Isaiah 64:6} and say he or she doesn't need to learn anything from Christ is what the Bible say is like filthy rags before God not the New Personality {Ephesians 4:22-24} which a believer puts on to bear the fine fruit of God's holy spirit o!😀

Yes, it's self acclaimed, righteousness. If you read my comments carefully, I never boast in my abilities in standing right before God. I subject myself to the help of the spirit of God. No Christian would ever boast of this.

Let me show you a story in the Bible to teach you that no matter what you do, there's still something else that you have not done, and that's how we are judged in the sight of God till today.

There are many people that live the lives you have been mentioning since, they haven't killed, they don't steal and so on, but they would not see the kingdom of God, this is just the scriptures. But, a thief who was even jailed, and then was redeemed just like the thief Barabas that was crucified along Jesus Christ on the cross, would see the kingdom of God.

That is the reason of the death of Jesus Christ and resurrection. The price was fully paid, hence it's no longer by works but by accepting that the Son died and rose again on the 3rd day and we join Him to be sons of God and heirs of the kingdom and yield the same power and authority in His name.

Read Luke 18:9 - 14
Read also Matthew 19 : 16 - 22

Abeg use king James version o

MaxInDHouse:
Now you are confirming what i said that it's whatever your pastors say you swallow.
Who told you the KJV is the only Bible version believers can use?

What about
1. JERUSALEM BIBLE
2. RSV
3. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
4. NIV
5. ESR
6. NASB
7. NWT

Guy you are not a Bible scholar rather a churchgoer so calm down and learn!🙂

I never said I'm a scholar, I'm just a child of God, a believer and with the help of the HolySpirit, I'm living a Christian life.


1st Corinthians 2: 13 - 14 : Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're complicating issues for yourself!😂

Our SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS which anyone can claim he has {Isaiah 64:6} and say he or she doesn't need to learn anything from Christ is what the Bible say is like filthy rags before God not the New Personality {Ephesians 4:22-24} which a believer puts on to bear the fine fruit of God's holy spirit o!😀

See twisting of God's word promax! 😆
How can I be saying all these things to you with bible references and yet not talk the fruits of the spirit which proceeds easily with proves in the life of a believer.

Jesus christ is the true vine and we are branches of the vine.

The church is like a hospital, many are sick and are there for healing.
We may not look perfect from outside, but there are many within that have a right standing with God.

No they are not!

They are sat.an.ist carrying bibles

Tilewizy:
I never boast in my abilities in standing right before God.

But when asked if a group with fine qualities worth emulating are Christians you quickly jumped in and said:
"They are not Christians"

And your yardstick?
TRINITY that is not even written in your own KJV!😀

Tilewizy:
I never said I'm a scholar,

Not a scholar but a judge!😂

So which church is exhibiting the quality Jesus mentioned at John 13:34-35?

Or we should trash that part of the Bible?😀

Tilewizy:
See twisting of God's word promax! 😆
How can I be saying all these things to you with bible references and yet not talk the fruits of the spirit which proceeds easily with proves in the life of a believer. Jesus christ is the true vine and we are branches of the vine.
The church is like a hospital, many are sick and are there for healing.
We may not look perfect from outside, but there are many within that have a right standing with God.

MaxInDHouse:
But when asked if a group with fine qualities worth emulating are Christians you quickly jumped in and said:
"They are not Christians"

And your yardstick?
TRINITY that is not even written in your own KJV!😀

Do not mislead people, yes, you aren't Christains.

Tilewizy:
Do not mislead people, yes, you aren't Christains.

You are a pastor's follower!

How do we know?

You will quote what your pastors told you and based on that disqualify others.

Note your reasons for saying Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians:

They are not Christians because;
1. They demystify the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rather commemorate with his death only
2. They remove the mystery and life of the subject of faith.
3. They reduce the person of the Holy Spirit (the 3rd God head)
4. In other words, they don't believe in the trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

This are the personal doctrines of your church pastor so any church that may differ in doctrine to what you said here aren't Christians from your judgement that means before you can say a church is Bible believing all these must be their doctrine.
Definitely it's not only one church you will condemn over this issue rather as many churches as possible that's not in tune with these dogmatic opinion are not Christians.
That is why i keep insisting on what the founder of Christianity said but you are ruling out his words claiming it's not necessary.
Jesus said the only way to recognize his church is they will be in all the nations of the earth {Act 1:8} and despite their cultural and racial differences love will bind them together just as he loves his disciples. John 13:34-35
Jesus also said by their fruits you will know them {Matthew 7:16-18} which means the fruit of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} permeating the gathering of imperfect humans.
Both identifying marks you have ruled out because of what your pastor taught you.
So there is no need arguing aimlessly with you again sincere and honest hearted observers knows the church where real Christians assemble:

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.

Farewell!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You are a pastor's follower!

How do we know?

You will quote what your pastors told you and based on that disqualify others.

Note your reasons for saying Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians:

They are not Christians because;
1. They demystify the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rather commemorate with his death only
2. They remove the mystery and life of the subject of faith.
3. They reduce the person of the Holy Spirit (the 3rd God head)
4. In other words, they don't believe in the trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

This are the personal doctrines of your church pastor so any church that may differ in doctrine to what you said here aren't Christians from your judgement that means before you can say a church is Bible believing all these must be their doctrine.
Definitely it's not only one church you will condemn over this issue rather as many churches as possible that's not in tune with these dogmatic opinion are not Christians.
That is why i keep insisting on what the founder of Christianity said but you are ruling out his words claiming it's not necessary.
Jesus said the only way to recognize his church is they will be in all the nations of the earth {Act 1:8} and despite their cultural and racial differences love will bind them together just as he loves his disciples. John 13:34-35
Jesus also said by their fruits you will know them {Matthew 7:16-18} which means the fruit of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} permeating the gathering of imperfect humans.
Both identifying marks you have ruled out because of what your pastor taught you.
So there is no need arguing aimlessly with you again sincere and honest hearted observers knows the church where real Christians assemble:






















Farewell!🙂

By the grace of God I have grown to a point where God speaks to me in various ways. Of course, thank God for great men of God who have taught us the knowledge of God's word and its application from onset.

Jeremiah 3:15 - And I will give you pastors/Shepherds according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

• Only your organisation have a separate bible where certain sentences or narration in other versions are changed, and you feel it's not a problem. Do I need a pastor to tell me something is wrong?
• The word of God is twisted deliberately and you are brain washed to completely derail from the very essence of the knowledge of truth. Do I need a pastor to tell me something is wrong.

The scriptures below shows the true witnesses -

• Matthew 28:19-20 - “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

• Acts 1:8 - “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

• Luke 24:46-49 - “And said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

• Acts 22:15 - “For you will be a witness for him to everyone of what you have seen and heard.”

• Luke 21:13-15 - “This will be your opportunity to bear witness. Settle it therefore in your minds not to meditate beforehand how to answer, for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.”

MaxInDHouse:
Ok, i'm sorry sir i thought Jesus is the one speaking about how to IDENTIFY his disciples in the verse o.

So it's just John writing whatever he like shey?

Now it's clear!🤣

You who sins and cover it up is talking.

In some of my previous comments I have tried explaining to you that just because a Buddist monk for example live a separated and peaceful life doesn't make him a heir of God's kingdom.

You can be very cautious, well mannered and behaved and everyone applaud your composure doesn't make you to have a right standing with God.

This is not to say a Christian should not be well behaved and mannered, most of the teachings in the Bible are centred around living a Christian life.

You use a nominal church attender or even the Priests to strengthen your points against the church, because of some of the wrong doings you might have seen or heard of which they committed.

Yes, they maybe condemned, Romans 3:23 - "for we all sinned, and come short of the glory of God", but before God, a true repentant heart is forgiven.

MaxInDHouse:
When their preferred pulpit men talks they swallow it hook line and sinker and off they go with the words of their pastors but when it's time to defend what their pastors infused in their heads they will start looking for escape root.

Just imagine someone who confidently said a group he knew very well with fine qualities worth emulating are not Christians whereas they are the people going from house to house preaching just as Jesus commanded. Matthew 10:11-13

They are the most peaceful and organized people on planet earth! Matthew 10:16

They are the only group that keeps love strong among them to the most distant part of the earth! John 13:34-35

Matthew 5:16

But to our friend:


WHY?
Because his pastor told him so!🤣

In the book of Romans 8: 29 - 30 - For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

God picks us up, breaks us, moulds us back, and justifies us. We are changed to look like Jesus Christ and not just by mere outward composure.
As much as outward appearances are important, God is interested in our spirit man. We can only be right outwardly when we are right or changed from within.

The words Jesus Christ spoke were more in parables as he had to teach us the meaning, but he said many we would not understand until the Holyspirit comes who would teach and guide us all to all truths. John 16:13.

So therefore, I stand on my points in above session, that the Jehovas witness are not Christians.

• The same Holyspirit (the 3rd God head) that Jesus Christ promised to send to us to help guide and teach us and show us the revealed or hidden word of God, they don't believe in him or rather see him just as an essence.

• We are baptised in name of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holyspirit according to Matthew 28: 19 - 20, you also don't practice that.

• Your organisation dont believe in the ressurected Jesus Christ. In the book of Luke 24:46 - And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

These are the few amongst other points that shows that there's a major difference between Christianity and what your organisation preaches.

When I go on and on, you would then tell me that my bible is corrupted and I should go and do research about the origin of each verse in the Bible.

I do not need a pastor to tell me this, I have eyes to read the scriptures for myself, moreover I have the Holyspirit within me that leaps or refires within me (gift of discernment) when I come across the truth, but He groans when there's a false teaching or doctrine echoed, just like in this case.