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Quote the scripture to buttress what is in your mind, i'm willing to reason with you Sir!🤔

achorladey:
That's how you go into unnecessary manipulation of the scriptures.
The scriptures I cited deals with Jesus christ, where did you see me talked about the Holy Spirit?
The king of of the kingdom is in the mind of people. Correct?

MaxInDHouse:
Quote the scripture to buttress what is in your mind, i'm willing to reason with you Sir!🤔

Before you start running into thousands of correct and wrong translations. Read the content and context and give concrete reasons why WITHIN YOU is CONFUSING.

Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.

KJV

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When Paul said......

For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.


Is God's kingdom of the externals only or internals only?

Dtruthspeaker:
Not when I gave him a chance and then he spewed more blasphemies and ivu.

But since you think what is saying makes sense, then, be his advocate and explain to me how you think he is right especially as you see that he say God is unreasonable Angry, Judgmental, Easily offended, Quick to punish, Demanding constant worship, when all these are lies already

Please go back and read my initial response to you on this thread.

achorladey:
Is God's kingdom of the externals only or internals only?

Please be specific with your submission.
My submission is that Jesus the chosen King of God's Kingdom and who will teach them how to get there is RIGHT THERE IN THEIR GATHERING! 🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Please be specific with your submission.
My submission is that Jesus the chosen King of God's Kingdom and who will teach them how to get there is RIGHT THERE IN THEIR GATHERING! 🤔

You will be better off going back to where I picked the discussion. From scriptures to buttress your point enter specific with your submission.

It's OK i've explained myself you can go ahead to do the same since you don't want to tell me your own submission on the topic of discussion!🙂

achorladey:
You will be better off going back to where I picked the discussion. From scriptures to buttress your point enter specific with your submission.

HeatSeeker:
Please go back and read my initial response to you on this thread.

Ok. I see your response however, with due respect, i do not think this is true for Christianity and church goers.

Yes, not everyone understands God very well at the same time however, since nursery Sunday school till they grow up, people universally understand certain key things about God but not what the op said. And all the pro God threads here confirm everything we have heard from sunday school and BK (Bible knowledge) till we grew up to learn more.

The only time when the understanding of God became confused was when devus like the op came with their perversions and "keep an open mind"

For, we all know the kind of questions normal church goers must ask in their attempt to bona fidely understand God and we have all seen them here.

But, however, we can all see the perversion, derogation and veiled blasphemy the op makes against God. There is no way that, that can be accepted.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK i've explained myself you can go ahead to do the same since you don't want to tell me your own submission on the topic of discussion!🙂

You saw it and decided to look away and start deflecting into your holy spirit

achorladey:
You saw it and decided to look away and start deflecting into your holy spirit

Again here is my submission:
Jesus is the one who will offer the ultimate sacrifice that will open the way for obedient humans to enter into God's Kingdom and he is standing right in their midst.

Now say what your own submission is all about and stop beating about the bush if truly you have anything tangible to say!🙂

sonmvayina:
God is the universal divine consciousness.....

I don't get what you mean by the Christ consciousness?
God is within each and every one of us.
Like I always say here, we are all spiritual beings just having a human experience, not the other way round.

You have to explain your idea of Christ consciousness.

I understand your point, and honestly, you’re not far from what I’m saying.

When you say God is the universal divine consciousness and that we are spiritual beings having a human experience… I agree with that perspective.

But here’s where I’m pointing to something deeper:

👉 “Christ consciousness” is not a different God.
👉 It’s not separate from that divine consciousness you mentioned.

It is the awakened awareness of that truth within a human being.


In simple terms:

God = the universal source / divine consciousness
Christ consciousness = the realization and expression of that divine nature within you


That’s why Yeshua said:

“The Kingdom of God is within you.”

He wasn’t just talking about God being present…

👉 He was pointing to a state of awareness people can awaken to.



So Christ was not just a person to worship…

👉 It was a level of consciousness He embodied and demonstrated.

And the message (in my understanding) was:

👉 “What I am, you can become aware of.”



The problem is…

That message was later turned into something external, something to believe in, instead of something to awaken to.


So when I talk about Christ consciousness, I’m simply describing:

👉 The awareness of your divine nature
👉 Living from that awareness
👉 Not just knowing it intellectually, but experiencing it



You’re right that God is within everyone…

The real question is:

👉 Are we aware of it, or just repeating it?


If you’re open to exploring it deeper, I broke it down more here:

📘 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness



The Awaken Soul (TAS)
Awareness Over Belief. 🔥

MaxInDHouse:
This rendition is confusing what Jesus (Yeshua) said actually is

"The Kingdom of God is in your midst" Luke 17:21

There is a lot of things you didn't get right but it's OK since most religionists fall into this category!🙂

I appreciate your perspective, and you’re right to point out that translation matters.

Luke 17:21 is often rendered as “the Kingdom of God is in your midst” or “among you”, depending on the translation and interpretation.

But here’s where the deeper conversation begins:

The Greek word used there is “entos”, which can mean: 👉 within
👉 inside
👉 or among

So the question becomes…

👉 Was Yeshua pointing to something external… or something experiential within human awareness?


Because even beyond that verse, we see a consistent pattern in His teachings:

He keeps directing attention inward:

to the heart

to awareness

to inner transformation


So whether one says “within you” or “among you”…

👉 The real issue is not just wording, but understanding what He was pointing to.


My focus is not on arguing translations…

👉 But on exploring the deeper meaning behind the message.


And I respect that we may see it differently, that’s part of the journey.

If you’re open to exploring that perspective further, I’ve shared more here:

📘 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness

The Awaken Soul (TAS)
Awareness Over Belief. 🔥

There is only one reason Jesus has to TEACH people:

Because we have fallen short of God's glory! Romans 3:23

Before Adam and Eve sinned against God nobody needs Jesus' teachings it was the need that calls for Jesus to come as a counselor. Isaiah 9:6

God created humans in His own image or likeness which means we possess some godly qualities but due to certain events and circumstances around us we can't exhibit those godly qualities as we should that's why we need a perfect human to teach us how we can do away with our former personality and put on a new personality! Ephesians 4:22-24

Now this provision can only work for people who love good things not those whose minds are filled with evil thoughts that is why faith is not a possession of all kinds of people. 2Thessalonians 3:2

Now if faith is not a possession of all kinds of people do you think what Jesus is saying could be something of the heart?

Of course not it requires TEACHING and only virtuous people will welcome such teachings not everyone having a heart!🙂

Theawakensoul:
I appreciate your perspective, and you’re right to point out that translation matters.
Luke 17:21 is often rendered as “the Kingdom of God is in your midst” or “among you”, depending on the translation and interpretation.
But here’s where the deeper conversation begins:
The Greek word used there is “entos”, which can mean: 👉 within
👉 inside
👉 or among

So the question becomes…

👉 Was Yeshua pointing to something external… or something experiential within human awareness?


Because even beyond that verse, we see a consistent pattern in His teachings:

He keeps directing attention inward:

to the heart

to awareness

to inner transformation


So whether one says “within you” or “among you”…

👉 The real issue is not just wording, but understanding what He was pointing to.


My focus is not on arguing translations…

👉 But on exploring the deeper meaning behind the message.


And I respect that we may see it differently, that’s part of the journey.

If you’re open to exploring that perspective further, I’ve shared more here:

📘 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness

The Awaken Soul (TAS)
Awareness Over Belief. 🔥

MaxInDHouse:
Again here is my submission:
Jesus is the one who will offer the ultimate sacrifice that will open the way for obedient humans to enter into God's Kingdom and he is standing right in their midst.

Now say what your own submission is all about and stop beating about the bush if truly you have anything tangible to say!🙂

Go back to what I asked you to read. The Kingdom of God is within you. What is confusion in that translation.

I don't need to start lectures on the meaning of tangible.

MaxInDHouse:
There is only one reason Jesus has to TEACH people:

Because we have fallen short of God's glory! Romans 3:23

Before Adam and Eve sinned against God nobody needs Jesus' teachings it was the need that calls for Jesus to come as a counselor. Isaiah 9:6

God created humans in His own image or likeness which means we possess some godly qualities but due to certain events and circumstances around us we can't exhibit those godly qualities as we should that's why we need a perfect human to teach us how we can do away with our former personality and put on a new personality! Ephesians 4:22-24

Now this provision can only work for people who love good things not those whose minds are filled with evil thoughts that is why faith is not a possession of all kinds of people. 2Thessalonians 3:2

Now if faith is not a possession of all kinds of people do you think what Jesus is saying could be something of the heart?

Of course not it requires TEACHING and only virtuous people will welcome such teachings not everyone having a heart!🙂

See the hypocrite

Theawakensoul:
I understand your point, and honestly, you’re not far from what I’m saying.

When you say God is the universal divine consciousness and that we are spiritual beings having a human experience… I agree with that perspective.

But here’s where I’m pointing to something deeper:

👉 “Christ consciousness” is not a different God.
👉 It’s not separate from that divine consciousness you mentioned.

It is the awakened awareness of that truth within a human being.


In simple terms:

God = the universal source / divine consciousness
Christ consciousness = the realization and expression of that divine nature within you


That’s why Yeshua said:

“The Kingdom of God is within you.”

He wasn’t just talking about God being present…

👉 He was pointing to a state of awareness people can awaken to.



So Christ was not just a person to worship…

👉 It was a level of consciousness He embodied and demonstrated.

And the message (in my understanding) was:

👉 “What I am, you can become aware of.”



The problem is…

That message was later turned into something external, something to believe in, instead of something to awaken to.


So when I talk about Christ consciousness, I’m simply describing:

👉 The awareness of your divine nature
👉 Living from that awareness
👉 Not just knowing it intellectually, but experiencing it



You’re right that God is within everyone…

The real question is:

👉 Are we aware of it, or just repeating it?


If you’re open to exploring it deeper, I broke it down more here:

📘 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness



The Awaken Soul (TAS)
Awareness Over Belief. 🔥

Thank you jare, allow that one to keep confusing himself about translations

English, definitely not his mother tongue, Greek, Hebrew as well. Yet some will want to claim expertise on interpretation based on translations that vary in the use of words and meaning.

I told him and asked earlier based on the context and content of Jesus' words, what is the confusion in the kingdom is within you. He start to deflect into things that are unnecessary.

Desperate to engage someone else when all you need to do is present your own submission on the topic of discussion!

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

🙂

Thanks to Jehovah i have nothing to do with apostates except exposing all you atheists claiming believers on Nairaland!🙂

Ú

Theawakensoul:
I understand your point, and honestly, you’re not far from what I’m saying.

When you say God is the universal divine consciousness and that we are spiritual beings having a human experience… I agree with that perspective.

But here’s where I’m pointing to something deeper:

👉 “Christ consciousness” is not a different God.
👉 It’s not separate from that divine consciousness you mentioned.

It is the awakened awareness of that truth within a human being.


In simple terms:

God = the universal source / divine consciousness
Christ consciousness = the realization and expression of that divine nature within you


That’s why Yeshua said:

“The Kingdom of God is within you.”

He wasn’t just talking about God being present…

👉 He was pointing to a state of awareness people can awaken to.



So Christ was not just a person to worship…

👉 It was a level of consciousness He embodied and demonstrated.

And the message (in my understanding) was:

👉 “What I am, you can become aware of.”



The problem is…

That message was later turned into something external, something to believe in, instead of something to awaken to.


So when I talk about Christ consciousness, I’m simply describing:

👉 The awareness of your divine nature
👉 Living from that awareness
👉 Not just knowing it intellectually, but experiencing it



You’re right that God is within everyone…

The real question is:

👉 Are we aware of it, or just repeating it?


If you’re open to exploring it deeper, I broke it down more here:

📘 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness



The Awaken Soul (TAS)
Awareness Over Belief. 🔥

This is what I saw on X.com, ike 2 minutes ago. Did you get it from there?

I understand

MaxInDHouse:
Desperate to engage someone else when all you need to do is present your own submission on the topic of discussion!


🙂

Lo here, lo there, the kingdom is within you

Here

There

Within

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks to Jehovah i have nothing to do with apostates except exposing all you atheists claiming believers on Nairaland!🙂

Including MaxInDHouse whose fellow Jehovah's Witness brother call apostates

Desperate to engage MaxInDHouse yet not ready for a meaningful discussion!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Desperate to engage MaxInDHouse yet not ready for a meaningful discussion!🙂

I know who is running away from my mentions

sonmvayina:
Ú

This is what I saw on X.com, ike 2 minutes ago. Did you get it from there?

I understand

No I didn't... I guess we are in alignment...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVQQxLTln0Y?si=tHvM6vQaJ5lqVJ0i

Watch with an open mind and decide for yourself