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| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:22am On Apr 17 |
Tilewizy:Satan also used to speak to people {1Chronicles 21:1} while the one hearing such voices will conclude that God is the one talking to him {2Samuel 24:1} in this same manner Satan has been disguising as an angel of light! 2Corinthians 11:14 So how can we prevail over Satan's schemes? First we need to take in the ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God so as to know the will of God which helps all the holy ones globally to remain in union with the Lord as we have the same line of thought {1Corinthans 1:10} secondly we must continue in prayer {1Thessalonians 5:17} not to loose focus on what we and all our brothers throughout the earth have learned together so that by the time anyone comes with unfruitful teaching let such person be accursed {Galatians 1:8} how is our God speaking to all His children today? Regarding organizational directions and faith that unifies all His worshipers our God doesn't speak to individuals again rather we all focus on His inspired word: Bible! All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2Timothy 3:16-17🙂 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:25am On Apr 17 |
Tilewizy:See childish comment!😂 Someone who doesn't even know the person he is chatting with o. In fact Satan can deceive arrogant people so easily!🙂 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:32am On Apr 17 |
Tilewizy:All these are audio self glorification just mention the name of your church and let's consider how you people have been producing the FRUIT of faith like Jehovah's Witnesses. The OP can see many religions claiming Christians but noticed only Jehovah's Witnesses with fine qualities worth emulating that's why he is curious so let us know the name of your own church not just quoting scriptures that you can't apply publicly to any religion! The word of God is alive and it is doing a lot of work in the gathering of God's people {Hebrews 4:12} so instead of telling stories present your church and let us see the WORKS of God's holy spirit in your gathering! James 2:18-26😀 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 8:06am On Apr 17 |
MaxInDHouse:Congratulations! At least for the first time you discussed intelligently by bringing points from your beliefs in answering a question posed. Let's adresss some issues raised here.. 1. You are very correct in your first paragraph, that Satan disguising as an angel of light and all, this was your trying to reply me when I mentioned that I hear God. There are many scriptures to back this claim, that God still speaks to His children through various means. It could be through His revealed word, during a personal study time, during prayers, in dreams, during worship sessions, through conversations and through the ministry of His anointed ministers. A true prove that God is the one talking is there's a scriptural reference to whatever issue that this is and what follows after is peace that surpasses all understanding. 2. You mentioned some points on how we can overcome Satan's accurate schemes, you started by saying, having accurate knowledge of God's word and we keep up with prayers. This is very correct! But then, every religion does this. Almost all religious groups pray, they fast and have good knowledge of their books. Witches fast! The problems here are: a. Accurate knowledge of what? You have mentioned our bibles are different, and that ours is corrupted. So which knowledge are you talking about? b. Prayers to who? Is it to the God who only died in flesh and never rose or to God whose spirit is just an essence? Even the Muslims say he was killed, but there was no resurrection. Then to your last paragraph, you only think that God speaks to His people through the word alone. I beg to differ, He says in Malachi 3:6 - For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Just as he spoke to Abraham, Issac and Jacob, he still speaks to His children through various modes. The most important thing to note is that it is aligned with His word. 1st Corinthians 14: 33 - For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 8:11am On Apr 17 |
MaxInDHouse:Whoever you maybe, you are NO ONE in the sight or eyes of God. For when even the mighty are before God, they all humble themselves, bow their knees before God and cast their crowns before Him (The Ancient of Days, the Alpha and the Omega, The I Am, that I Am). While for a true Believer, when we are gathered in one accord, we are before God, we are regarded as the children of God, no matter the church title! 1st John 3:1 - Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. (NKJV) |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:26am On Apr 17 |
Tilewizy:ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE means having the truth as it was penned down by the inspired writers of the word. Bibles we have today are translations of what was penned down by inspired men in ancient times so to have the accurate knowledge we can't just pick a translation and conclude that is the only one we should use. Jesus said "by their fruits you will know" this means if a translation is correct then those studying it will produce the fruitage of God's holy spirit as a group since they are studying it together. I mentioned what Christianity supposed to achieve globally but you ruled it out and started audio claims that can't be verified anywhere whereas Jesus said his disciples are the light of the world {Matthew 5:14} can individuals in different religions do this? Of course not they must be organized and recognized before people can see and say good things about their faith! Matthew 5:16 You can't mention the name of your church yet you keep arguing that you have faith when everyone knows that there are thousands of different religions out there claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES has been known for decades now to have unified teaching and the result: Tilewizy:If you typed the above statement with your own fingers whatever you say against that group is lies to your own soul!🙂 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:27am On Apr 17 |
Tilewizy:Supreme Judge!😂 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 8:33am On Apr 17*. Modified: 9:42pm On May 04 |
MaxInDHouse:I am not identified by my church, yes I agree my church has a lot to play in my spiritual growth, nuture and edification. A Christian is identified by: 1. Spiritual birth, John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 2. A person who walks in the spirit. Romans 8:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. With this the fruits and gifts you mentioned would easily be seen in them. 3. Service to God and men - again, from the above those who walk in the Spirit, are led to serve in God's house and also to men. Just as we see in the world today, many of inventions began from Christain population linked to the church. Matthew 22: 37- 40 4. Peace and holiness, Hebrews 12:14 - Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 5. Examplary lives. Act. 11: 26 - And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. 6. Belonging to a Bible living/praying Church (where the ordinance of Christianity is practiced, holy communions, praying the holy ghost, offerings and all). Matthew 16:18 - And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. With the above, knowing a christain is not only by Church attendance but by those who live or practice the word of God, which is by the enablment of the Holyspirit. James 1:22 - But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. Luke 11:28 - But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Zechariah 4:6 - Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:58am On Apr 17 |
Tilewizy:Why do you love deceiving yourself? Take note of the first century Christians that none of them do boast about his Christ like lifestyle even the apostle Paul known for helping to form churches back then said about himself: "For I do not understand what I am doing. For I do not practice what I wish, but I do what I hate. However, if I do what I do not wish, I agree that the Law is fine. But now I am no longer the one doing it, but it is the sin that resides in me" Romans 7:15-17 So none could speak as a perfect example of Christian but they always say that their group is performing as in fulfilling what Jesus foretold about his group: And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. 1Corinthans 6:11 So as a group the first century disciples of Christ achieved what Jesus foretold even though individuals often fall short due to imperfection. James 3:2 That is why the OP could single out one organization because he can see how this group is performing globally as the Christian group doing the assignment Jesus gave his disciples. Matthew 28:19-20 While you are here on a faceless forum glorifying your anonymous self and at the same time hiding the name of your church {John 3:19} so that no one can see the fruit of what your pastors are teaching you! Matthew 7:16-18😀 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 6:56am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:How am I deceiving myself for saying the truth from word of God which you have called corrupted? You quoted Rom. 7: 15 - 17, that's a very good scripture. If you really have read my numerous responses to you, I have tried many times explaining to you that we can not live a Christian life with the energy of the flesh, just as Paul affirms this. It's only by the help of the Holy Spirit, whom the JW doesn't believe in. You were the one boasting many times of the fruits you all collectively possess in JW as you are the only ones going about doing what Jesus with enviable fruits and making all other Christian doctrines less of what it should be. 1 Corinthians 1:31 - Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.” (NIV) In all I have been saying or responding to you, I have tried telling that, we know the way of Christ from the scriptures, so, walk in it. I am not just boasting or making claims that this church does it better than this. I am saying with confidence who are Christians are and who aren't from the bible. Just because a church opens the bible doesn't make them automatic Christians or a Bible living Church. This is even funny, how am I been judge by my church or by pastor sef? I have never mentioned any church or pastor in my write-ups. I am speaking as a Christian with scriptural backing to anyone who's reading our conversations and trying to know the truth from a genuine heart. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 6:57am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:Whatever you feel is appropriate you can say, but the truth of God's word stands! |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:04am On Apr 18 |
Tilewizy:If we don't believe in the Active Force of God then what will energize us to do the things of God that makes you say we worth emulating? Guy we believe in the holy spirit in fact we baptize new ones in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit but it's what your pastors told you about the holy spirit that we don't agree with!🙂 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:09am On Apr 18 |
Tilewizy:The truth of God's word says "by their fruits you will know" {Matthew 7:16} and you as in yourself have testified to the fruit among JWs: Tilewizy:So it's you who is now lying to your own soul! |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 7:35am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:From your first paragraph - if you have noticed I have given some bible references, most king James version, some new international version. I understand the basic concepts of common tanslation use of the bible to convey a message or drive a point. The JW organisation is different in this case, in that the translation they chose alters the context of the sacred basis of Christianity which they only use. As you have earlier mentioned, and thats where there is a problem. Who are the thousand religious groups saying Christianity have altered their teachings? What do they know about Christianity? Christianity has done so much for the world today and is still doing so even till time. Isn't that the salt and light of the world, as Jesus said? In fact Christianity haven't even started? Your being salt or light of the world shouldn't only based on character, but in the works of our hands as well. Like I would always say, there are true Christians and there are others who just attend church services. 2 Timothy 2:20 - 21 20. But in a great house, there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. When Jesus says by their fruits we shall know, them you think He was separating his followers within them. He was teaching us to be careful of false prophets. Matthew 7: 14 - 15. Romans 16:17 - Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 2 Timothy 3:5 - Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. You claim you have fruits but you deny that Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead on the 3rd day, and when a Christian talks, you would say he is following his pastor and the bible he is using is corrupted. I can go on and on to warn people about any gathering that come together and preach heresies, and call it Christianity. Whatever you people are doing there I tell you today is not Christianity. In some of my responses above, I have listed what it takes to be a Christian and to live a Christian life. Even as I speak to you, I'm speaking to my very own self. 1st Corinthians 9: 27 - But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 7:36am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:What did my pastor tell me about the Holy Spirit? |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Tilewizy: 7:38am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:2 Timothy 3:5 - Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:13am On Apr 18 |
Tilewizy:1.I said there are thousands of different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so you should tell me your own out of them because everyone knows that they are not the same. 2.They are contradicting themselves so if you don't mention your own you are deceiving yourself. 3.Politicians are doing what they feel could make their dominance last long Jesus taught us to make love and peace reign among ourselves which all people will see as fine qualities WORTH EMULATING! Matthew 5:14-16 4.Mention the name of your own religion among these different religions instead of hiding behind anonymous! |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:15am On Apr 18 |
Tilewizy:Enough lies that is confusing you not to identify the group where holy spirit is working fine qualities. Galatians 5:22-23🙂 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:17am On Apr 18 |
You just quote the Bible without knowing the PRACTICAL APPLICATION!😀 Having a form of godliness: shouting and disturbing the neighborhood with noise of their worship and prayers. Denying the power of God's word: Unable to produce the fruit worthy of emulation. Tilewizy: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:25am On Apr 18 |
Mr Courz dey follow hin no sabi wetin he go talk!😂 Even your hand is tired of giving likes to all comments against JWs as you are not sure of what to say! |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Courz: 8:36am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:I have been following the way he is dealing with you here with scriptures. Tilewizy is doing a wonderful job showing himself to be more Christlike than you are. He is right in everything he has said and he uses Bible verses to put you to shame. So, don't use me to escape his fiery shots at you. Remember, your fellow JWS have warned people in this forum against you. They called you an imposter. You have been disfellowshipped. You are still a Muslim. So, I don't know why you keep disgracing yourself in this forum claiming to be a JW. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:39am On Apr 18 |
Courz:Which church are you attending Sir? Let's know so we can be sure that what he said against Jehovah's Witnesses is not affecting your own church too? It's easy to lie but when you shamelessly support falsehood at least let us know the church where what he said is PRACTICED!😂 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Courz: 8:40am On Apr 18 |
Tilewizy:You are doing an excellent job in this thread using Bible verses to answer the topic of this thread. Kudos. For your information, Fellow JWs have disowned MaxinDhouse and called him an imposter because his views do not align with JWs and he has been disgracing them for years in this forum with his utterances. So, please don't take what he says seriously. He has been disfellowshipped from JW. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Courz: 8:40am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:I have been following the way he is dealing with you here with scriptures. Tilewizy is doing a wonderful job showing himself to be more Christlike than you are. He is right in everything he has said and he uses Bible verses to put you to shame. So, don't use me to escape his fiery shots at you. Remember, your fellow JWS have warned people in this forum against you. They called you an imposter. You have been disfellowshipped. You are still a Muslim. So, I don't know why you keep disgracing yourself in this forum claiming to be a JW. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:42am On Apr 18 |
Your fear!🤣 Because you know he's been shaking not knowing the practical application of the Bible verses he is quoting!😂 Courz: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:43am On Apr 18 |
Default mode! Fuel don finish!🤣 Courz: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Courz: 8:43am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:I have been following the way he is dealing with you here with scriptures. Tilewizy is doing a wonderful job showing himself to be more Christlike than you are. He is right in everything he has said and he uses Bible verses to put you to shame. So, don't use me to escape his fiery shots at you. Remember, your fellow JWS have warned people in this forum against you. They called you an imposter. You have been disfellowshipped. You are still a Muslim. So, I don't know why you keep disgracing yourself in this forum claiming to be a JW. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Courz: 8:44am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:I have been following the way he is dealing with you here with scriptures. Tilewizy is doing a wonderful job showing himself to be more Christlike than you are. He is right in everything he has said and he uses Bible verses to put you to shame. So, don't use me to escape his fiery shots at you. Remember, your fellow JWS have warned people in this forum against you. They called you an imposter. You have been disfellowshipped. You are still a Muslim. So, I don't know why you keep disgracing yourself in this forum claiming to be a JW. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:44am On Apr 18 |
Default mode. Fuel don finish!😂 Courz: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Courz: 8:45am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:I have been following the way he is dealing with you here with scriptures. Tilewizy is doing a wonderful job showing himself to be more Christlike than you are. He is right in everything he has said and he uses Bible verses to put you to shame. So, don't use me to escape his fiery shots at you. Remember, your fellow JWS have warned people in this forum against you. They called you an imposter. You have been disfellowshipped. You are still a Muslim. So, I don't know why you keep disgracing yourself in this forum claiming to be a JW. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:46am On Apr 18 |
This is why i don't block any apostate because i want to torment you until you are silenced. See disfellowshiped person calling a bonafide member an apostate. Yet i'm using the scriptures to prove that only Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians!🤣 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Courz: 8:47am On Apr 18 |
MaxInDHouse:I have been following the way he is dealing with you here with scriptures. Tilewizy is doing a wonderful job showing himself to be more Christlike than you are. He is right in everything he has said and he uses Bible verses to put you to shame. So, don't use me to escape his fiery shots at you. Remember, your fellow JWS have warned people in this forum against you. They called you an imposter. You have been disfellowshipped. You are still a Muslim. So, I don't know why you keep disgracing yourself in this forum claiming to be a JW. |
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