₦airaland Forum

thesolutions:
Denominational church leaders. That makes them the head in those denominations.

You can call them anything you want. There is only one Father.

Godmind2022:
Your thinking is wrong! Find out about real men of God. Forget about the fake ones. There can never be a counterfeit if there's no original. There can never be a duplicate if there is no authentic. Please, go find out and stop celebrating ignorance.

When i say these pastors are scam, I do not mean that they are fake.
I was very careful to use the right word which is scam or fraud.
Meaning, they exploit people with their faulty messages to make money which is perhaps their primary target of setting up their churches.

Afterall, everyone who set up a business venture, their primary aim is to make money.

But these pastors failed to render the service to the people , yet they are collecting money which is wrong.

However, like every other pastors worldwide they preach the gospel of Jesus Christ which I must commend them, hence they are not fake.

They're problem to u.. u can't speak on my behalf. No pastor is a problem to me because I know where to attend and message that belongs to me and adhere to the scripture. Any1 of them that act in contradiction of the bible l stop going to that church without even complaining. All pastors are human and if u adhere to scripture, u will refrain your self from those gibberish u alter.

paxonel:
point of correction, these pastors are problems to all Nigerians including you.
lies!

They tell the whole church lies that miracles do happen by using fake people to tell fake testimonies. The people then expect miracle to happen but at the expense of their personal time and energy, tithe and offering.
Is that not scamming?

Let's say the truth !

Nnamdipapa:
They are not fathers to anyone but simply denominational pastors. They have done lots of damages to Nigerians and Africans that wiill take more than 100years yo recover.

Please mention one.

Antoeni:
The Catholic Church stands Out

😂

These men no different from politicians... Same scripts, different acting stages

ejire042:
Please mention one.

Promotion of poverty

Mandesz:
They're problem to u.. u can't speak on my behalf. No pastor is a problem to me because I know where to attend and message that belongs to me and adhere to the scripture. Any1 of them that act in contradiction of the bible l stop going to that church without even complaining. All pastors are human and if u adhere to scripture, u will refrain your self from those gibberish u alter.

Good!

Let me ask you a simple question,
What is God's kingdom according to scriptures?

othermen:
What is the number of Christians in Nigeria?

Catholic and Anglican communions, while many others are gathered within Pentecostal bodies. This alone should caution us against seeking a single father defined by jurisdiction over all.

Baba Omolehin measures fatherhood by the breadth of authority.

But his vision does not account for the limits within which all spiritual authority must operate.

No man becomes a father to those who do not receive him.

To ask for a father over all is to overlook this necessary condition of consent and spiritual kinship.

Fatherhood is not diminished by its limits; it is defined by them.

Are we to pretend that the field of what constitutes the church in Nigeria is composed only of the faithful?

There are also those whose lives and teachings Christ tells us to contest.

It would therefore be neither possible nor prudent to speak of one father over all, as though all stood in the same relation of trust and truth.


Then Baba Omolehin also charges them with rivalry.

The building of auditoriums or the acquisition of private jets.

Baba Omolehin read these things as ambition.

But Baba Omolehin, they also could be understood as preparation: a readiness to gather, to move, to extend the reach of ministry?

Ultimately, it is the observer who supplies its meaning, and in this, it is you, Baba, who has inferred rivalry.

The claim that others will bow, that also need not be received in the narrow sense of competition.

Why do you not see an expectation of eventual recognition, however imperfectly expressed?

To fix upon the harshest reading is to close off other, more charitable possibilities.


I love Apostle Paul's letter to the churches. They were critical letters.

There is value in voices that call the Church to reflection, even when they unsettle.

In this, Baba Omolehin performs something akin to the work of the apostles, who wrote not always to comfort, but to correct.

But Paul did not demand of the Church in Corinth or of Rome, what their present structure cannot sustain, or reduced their complex realities to a single motive.

Such a task requires a careful hand. For correction, if it is to build rather than diminish, it must be guided by charity, proportion, and truth.

May the love of Christ remain with His Church, and guide all who speak concerning it.

I'm impressed. Well done, sir.

Druss:
You can call them anything you want. There is only one Father.

Absolutely. We are commanded not to call any religious figure father except our heavenly Father. But don't take it out of context. Abraham, the father of faith is regarded as our father. Paul regards himself as spiritual father. But they do not bear those as titles and compelled their brethren to call them that.
The context of the post is about leaders of the Christian faith fighting for the joint Christian faith and not just for their denominations.But how can they when they consider themselves more Christian than other denominations.

HelipsTech:
Listen to his speech, you will get his get his annoyance.

Tell him to focus on the gospel of Jesus, those men he seems to bring down, don't mention his name.

His annoyance is the extreme talk and show of financial wealth by those whom you claim he is bringing down.
That is not hidden. The way I've heard some of his comments, I've not seen it as bringing anyone down at least in th context of Scripture.

If Apostle Peter and Paul were Nigerians, Apostle Paul, would not have lived to the age he had and writing more Books of the Holy Bible for standing bolding to talk to Apostle Peter for playing hypocrite.

Th followers of Apostle Peter would have shamed Apostle Paul and give him all manner of names for trying such.

Like you said, you would told Apostle Paul to focus on the gospel of Christ Jesus.

bixton:
His annoyance is the extreme talk and show of financial wealth by those whom you claim he is bringing down.
That is not hidden. The way I've heard some of his comments, I've not seen it as bringing anyone down at least in th context of Scripture.

If Apostle Peter and Paul were Nigerians, Apostle Paul, would not have lived to the age he had and writing more Books of the Holy Bible for standing bolding to talk to Apostle Peter for playing hypocrite.

Th followers of Apostle Peter would have shamed Apostle Paul and give him all manner of names for trying such.

Like you said, you would told Apostle Paul to focus on the gospel of Christ Jesus.

Sometimes, I don't know how people like you reason.
If there is need for a big auditorium for worship, what is bad in building, as long as the church can afford it.

If the pastor or the church can afford a private jet, for mobility and avoid unnecessary waiting and cancellation of flight, what is bad in purchasing them?

People like you mistake a pastor who doesn't have all this to be the true pastor. You want pastors to beg, wait for flight, enter passenger planes, build small unaccommodating auditoriums and then, you will feel good.

You and him, should focus on the gospel of Christ, and tend to His sheep entrusted into your hands. Stop the vain words, filled with hate. This pastors acquire all this, some don't see anything in them, but people like you are pained.

No matter the crusade against the men of God, to prevent his members from attending those churches, more souls are added daily, and more are being saved.

You and him will feel alright, if Adeboye fly's economy or business, Or Holy Ghost Convention is held in a small arena as Eagle square Abuja.

You better purge yourself of hate.

HelipsTech:
Sometimes, I don't know how people like you reason.
If there is need for a big auditorium for worship, what is bad in building, as long as the church can afford it.

If the pastor or the church can afford a private jet, for mobility and avoid unnecessary waiting and cancellation of flight, what is bad in purchasing them?

People like you mistake a pastor who doesn't have all this to be the true pastor. You want pastors to beg, wait for flight, enter passenger planes, build small unaccommodating auditoriums and then, you will feel good.

You and him, should focus on the gospel of Christ, and tend to His sheep entrusted into your hands. Stop the vain words, filled with hate. This pastors acquire all this, some don't see anything in them, but people like you are pained.

No matter the crusade against the men of God, to prevent his members from attending those churches, more souls are added daily, and more are being saved.

You and him will feel alright, if Adeboye fly's economy or business, Or Holy Ghost Convention is held in a small arena as Eagle square Abuja.

You better purge yourself of hate.

As for your kind of reasoning kindly make use of the Holy Bible to ascertain it for yourself.

You should be the one to purge yourself of hate and hypocrisy.

bixton:
As for your kind of reasoning kindly make use of the Holy Bible to ascertain it for yourself.

You should be the one to purge yourself of hate and hypocrisy.

Purge yourself man. Your kind is filled with hate, perhaps because you can't afford a private jet.
Did your bible forbid wealth, auditorium, private jet?

These men of God, have carried this Bible for years, without scandal and shame to the Body of Christ. The evil perpetuated by those without auditorium and jet, go unnoticed by you and your kind. You want everyone to be on same level as you. Then, you consider them fathers or true pastors.

Everytime, Jet, auditorium, blabla, open a church, don't build auditorium or better still build 100 seat capacity.

Reason, I don't listen to this kind of preachers, their sermon is filled with criticism. Instead of teaching the Gospel.

Hateful Man

thesolutions:
Absolutely. We are commanded not to call any religious figure father except our heavenly Father. But don't take it out of context. Abraham, the father of faith is regarded as our father. Paul regards himself as spiritual father. But they do not bear those as titles and compelled their brethren to call them that.
The context of the post is about leaders of the Christian faith fighting for the joint Christian faith and not just for their denominations.But how can they when they consider themselves more Christian than other denominations.

The below is hitting thr nail on the head. Nice one.

But how can they when they consider themselves more Christian than other denominations

DeepSight:
+
How humble. Our organization is the only Christian organization on Earth. Indeed. We don hia.

That one cannot stop empty boasting. Before the forefathers of Russell were born the word Christian don dey this world.

achorladey:
That one cannot stop empty boasting. Before the forefathers of Russell were born the word Christian don dey this world.

+
The implication is that there was no Christian organization in the world before Russel was born!

That's what MaxinDHouse is telling us.

They are all deceivers including Ọmọlẹyìn himself!

The problem with most people is they don't carefully consider the words Jesus uttered.

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?  Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

Now let's consider the two symbolic terms Jesus used in his illustration.
1. Tree
2. Fruit

We all know trees produces fruits so what is represented by the term TREE and which is the FRUIT?

Most Bible readers don't know that Christianity is expected to produce a certain fruit just like a tree so who is that tree?
According to Jesus he himself is that tree that the true God (his father) planted {John 15:1} so in other words all the religions on this planet are like trees planted and their founders are like the trees just as Jesus CHRIST is the founder TREE that produced CHRISTIANS.
But then what type of FRUIT does the Bible say CHRISTIANITY will be?

Before Jesus there were thousands of different religions all claiming they belong to God so Isaiah the prophet said some 700 years before Jesus:


In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. ‭Isaiah 2:2 NIV‬

Mountains symbolizes place of worship so the Lord's temple is Jesus Christ {John 2:21} so Isaiah is saying that in the last days Christianity will be known globally and people from all nations will flock into Christianity.

But then what will they use to as standard among themselves?

Isaiah goes on to say:


Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. ‭Isaiah 2:3 NIV‬


So it's the words of the Bible God as found written in the books kept in an ancient city called Jerusalem that they will be using as the standard.

And what will be the RESULT (FRUIT) of this Newly Raised Temple?

Isaiah still goes on to say:


He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. ‭Isaiah 2:4 NIV‬

So this means all the people coming out from different nations throughout the world will learn how to make peace reign among themselves as they divert their resources into the production of food and information materials, stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again!

Most people don't ask themselves:

Why is it that Christians in the Bible were being attacked by Judaists all the time but the Christians never revenged nor look for means to fight back?

That is because they have trained their conscience never to raise weapons against anyone again be it friend or foe just as Jesus CHRIST taught them! Matthew 5:43-48

So which religion today is fulfilling this prophecy?
Note that any religion fulfilling this prophecy is undoubtedly the one producing the FRUIT expected of true Christianity!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Heaven is just a way to deceive people God never promised anyone heaven in the Bible {Psalms 115:16} it's Jesus who told his prospective corulers that he will go and PREPARE a place where they will stay to rule with him {John 14:1-3} this means there was never any preparation before that statement.

So if any religion is telling you that good people are going to heaven it's a old pagan tradition not biblical teaching!

The contradiction

So if any religion is telling you that good people are going to heaven it's a old pagan tradition not biblical teaching

The corulers 144,000 Jehovah’s witnesses that are going to heaven as believed, preached and taught by Jehovah's Witnesses are good people that go to heaven.

Your words quoted above contradict your belief. It means Jehovah’s witnesses are part of the old pagan traditions.

Wanting to look different yet same with others.

Question: Do Jehovah's Witnesses believe good people go to heaven?

Answer: yes

Question: How many good people go to heaven according to Jehovah’s witnesses

Answer: 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses

Question: Do other Christian denominations believe good people go to heaven?

Answer: Yes

Question: How many good people go to heaven according to other Christian denominations?

Answer: Too many to count.

Question: Do Jehovah's Witnesses believe good people go to heaven like other Christian denominations?

Answer: Yes

DeepSight:
+
The implication is that there was no Christian organization in the world before Russel was born!
That's what MaxinDHouse is telling us.

Why not ASK as Jesus said? Matthew 7:7🤔

Well Jesus true Christianity disappeared after the death of Christ's apostles so the fruit they were bearing in the first century stopped because the branches connected to the vine has all been killed {John 15:5} from that time the AntiChrist took over the scene! 1John 2:18

When Russell and his team began studying the Bible in the 1870s they realized that something is wrong somewhere but they couldn't figure it out on their own.
Today true Christianity has been restored as it was in the first century that is why Christendom Churches are now criticizing themselves.

What you should have asked if you are sincere to yourself is:

Which of them is practicing Christianity as it should be?

But it's obvious you are dishonest yet just as Jesus said:

"Wisdom is justified by her children" Luke 7:35

This is what you yourself typed with your own fingers regarding the only religion practicing Christianity as found in the Bible:

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

So if you hate Maximus in person there is no sin in that after all Maximus is just a sinner like all other humans but if you choose to speak against the truth that you yourself have publicly admitted i'm sorry for you! Matthew 12:31-32

MaxInDHouse:
They are all deceivers including Ọmọlẹyìn himself!

The problem with most people is they don't carefully consider the words Jesus uttered.

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?  Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

Now let's consider the two symbolic terms Jesus used in his illustration.
1. Tree
2. Fruit

We all know trees produces fruits so what is represented by the term TREE and which is the FRUIT?

Most Bible readers don't know that Christianity is expected to produce a certain fruit just like a tree so who is that tree?
According to Jesus he himself is that tree that the true God (his father) planted {John 15:1} so in other words all the religions on this planet are like trees planted and their founders are like the trees just as Jesus CHRIST is the founder TREE that produced CHRISTIANS.
But then what type of FRUIT does the Bible say CHRISTIANITY will be?

Before Jesus there were thousands of different religions all claiming they belong to God so Isaiah the prophet said some 700 years before Jesus:


In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. ‭Isaiah 2:2 NIV‬

Mountains symbolizes place of worship so the Lord's temple is Jesus Christ {John 2:21} so Isaiah is saying that in the last days Christianity will be known globally and people from all nations will flock into Christianity.

But then what will they use to as standard among themselves?

Isaiah goes on to say:


Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. ‭Isaiah 2:3 NIV‬


So it's the words of the Bible God as found written in the books kept in an ancient city called Jerusalem that they will be using as the standard.

And what will be the RESULT (FRUIT) of this Newly Raised Temple?

Isaiah still goes on to say:


He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. ‭Isaiah 2:4 NIV‬

So this means all the people coming out from different nations throughout the world will learn how to make peace reign among themselves as they divert their resources into the production of food and information materials, stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again!

Most people don't ask themselves:

Why is it that Christians in the Bible were being attacked by Judaists all the time but the Christians never revenged nor look for means to fight back?

That is because they have trained their conscience never to raise weapons against anyone again be it friend or foe just as Jesus CHRIST taught them! Matthew 5:43-48

So which religion today is fulfilling this prophecy?
Note that any religion fulfilling this prophecy is undoubtedly the one producing the FRUIT expected of true Christianity!🙂

The irony - Jehovah's Witnesses preaches and teaches self defense.

The self defense numerous Christians and Christian denominations followed from time past led to the existence of religious organization like Jehovah’s witnesses


Their so called Jehovah’s witnesses of ancient times the nation of Israel equally followed principles regarding self defense and it was never counted as sign of not showing love to people

DeepSight:
+
The implication is that there was no Christian organization in the world before Russel was born!

That's what MaxinDHouse is telling us.

I tire oooo. Russell was the pioneer of Christian organization in the late 1800s

I'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses so if anyone wants to engage me on the topic let the person first mention the name of his church at least we can all see that the group name CHRISTIANS has been rubbished now that leaders of different religions claiming CHRISTIANS are contradicting and criticizing themselves.

So let me know the name of your church and we'll proceed from there.

God bless you and may you have peace!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Why not ASK as Jesus said? Matthew 7:7🤔

Well Jesus true Christianity disappeared after the death of Christ's apostles so the fruit they were bearing in the first century stopped because the branches connected to the vine has all been killed {John 15:5} from that time the AntiChrist took over the scene! 1John 2:18

When Russell and his team began studying the Bible in the 1870s they realized that something is wrong somewhere but they couldn't figure it out on their own.
Today true Christianity has been restored as it was in the first century that is why Christendom Churches are now criticizing themselves.

What you should have asked if you are sincere to yourself is:

Which of them is practicing Christianity as it should be?

But it's obvious you are dishonest yet just as Jesus said:

"Wisdom is justified by her children" Luke 7:35

This is what you yourself typed with your own fingers regarding the only religion practicing Christianity as found in the Bible:



So if you hate Maximus in person there is no sin in that after all Maximus is just a sinner like all other humans but if you choose to speak against the truth that you yourself have publicly admitted i'm sorry for you! Matthew 12:31-32

+
All this is grammar. The implication is that Christianity only started in the late 1800s.

DeepSight:
+
All this is grammar. The implication is that Christianity only started in the late 1800s.

Are you a Christian?
Do you believe in Christianity?

Please this matter is about Christianity and those claiming Christians so if you are an atheist there is no way you can make any meaningful contribution to this topic!

See your comment on this same thread:

DeepSight:
Most of them especially Oyedepo worship money and power.

So if you are a Christian please mention your church but if you are an atheist i'm sorry you can only follow there's no need arguing aimlessly!🤔

HelipsTech:
Purge yourself man. Your kind is filled with hate, perhaps because you can't afford a private jet.
Did your bible forbid wealth, auditorium, private jet?

These men of God, have carried this Bible for years, without scandal and shame to the Body of Christ. The evil perpetuated by those without auditorium and jet, go unnoticed by you and your kind. You want everyone to be on same level as you. Then, you consider them fathers or true pastors.

Everytime, Jet, auditorium, blabla, open a church, don't build auditorium or better still build 100 seat capacity.

Reason, I don't listen to this kind of preachers, their sermon is filled with criticism. Instead of teaching the Gospel.

Hateful Man

Your problem is your own understanding and your over pressing desire for material wealth.


You think Apostle Paul and Apostle Peter did would not have loved to have such....

bixton:
Your problem is your own understanding and your over pressing desire for material wealth.


You think Apostle Paul and Apostle Peter did would not have loved to have such....

Your problem is not concentrating on the Gospel, rather you are more concerned about the success and acquisition of your follow man. With this mindset, I fear you can never grow above average.

Young Man, this men over the years have laboured, lives has been touched, they command results, which have made men like you to bless them in cash and kind.

You are pained, you concentrate more on what have been acquired, Material possession of these men. I bet you have never sat under their ministrations for an hour. You base your assessment on what your pastor tells you, the hate your pastor preaches.

The Rev, has never spoken about the evils going on in this regime, he never told us what he does with the tithe and offerings, we haven't read of him, reaching out to IDP , no known scholarship from him, only criticism everytime, hate, and this men don't respond to him.

Dont be an enemy of a man's progress, otherwise, you will never attain such feat.

Shalom

HelipsTech:
Your problem is not concentrating on the Gospel, rather you are more concerned about the success and acquisition of your follow man. With this mindset, I fear you can never grow above average.

Young Man, this men over the years have laboured, lives has been touched, they command results, which have made men like you to bless them in cash and kind.

You are pained, you concentrate more on what have been acquired, Material possession of these men. I bet you have never sat under their ministrations for an hour. You base your assessment on what your pastor tells you, the hate your pastor preaches.

The Rev, has never spoken about the evils going on in this regime, he never told us what he does with the tithe and offerings, we haven't read of him, reaching out to IDP , no known scholarship from him, only criticism everytime, hate, and this men don't respond to him.

Dont be an enemy of a man's progress, otherwise, you will never attain such feat.

Shalom

Let me go and read my Holy Bible.
Shalom.

bixton:
Let me go and read my Holy Bible.
Shalom.

Don't, Continue to feel pains in your heart for private jet owed by a man.

HelipsTech:
Don't, Continue to feel pains in your heart for private jet owed by a man.

Kindly tell me how many of such owned by Evangelist Reinhard Bonke?

You really think I bother about another's inheritance and property !!!!

God is my inheritance. In Him I am completely complete.

bixton:
Kindly tell me how many of such owned by Evangelist Reinhard Bonke?

You really think I bother about another's inheritance and property !!!!

God is my inheritance. In Him I am completely complete.

You don't bother but you have a thing for those who have them.

Can you proof Reihard Bonke flew passenger planes or waited for flights etc

Is he your standard?

You buy cars, and hate who bought private jet, don't they serve the same purpose?

Private Jet pastors, have you seen or heard that a party was held inside the private jet, something men of God use to move around the world, and you are pained.

HelipsTech:
You don't bother but you have a thing for those who have them.

Can you proof Reihard Bonke flew passenger planes or waited for flights etc

Is he your standard?

You buy cars, and hate who bought private jet, don't they serve the same purpose?

Private Jet pastors, have you seen or heard that a party was held inside the private jet, something men of God use to move around the world, and you are pained.

What's the difference between you and your politicians?