₦airaland Forum

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I'm personally not a fan of solar.

Many people don't know panels only last for 2 years before output decline and it has to be replaced. There is also issue of overheating when placed on some types of roof like aluminum sheets thus spoiling faster. There are many technical challenges.

People installing it prefer not to tell the truth.

The cost of setting it up is similar to buying fuel for 2 years. It is only viable when all other factors align.

Where did you get this from that solar panels only last for 2 years before decline.It is not everybody on Nairaland that's ignorant.

nairalanda1:
And any new government must allow the power sector to set its own prices.

it not about the price now, where is the ⚡?

CodeTemplar:
Is it a state or federal uni?

It's a state University, the DG of Energy commission, Is an alumni of the school

osuofia2:
It's a state University, the DG of Energy commission, Is an alumni of the school

all other projects have been for federal universities. Why state?

CodeTemplar:
all other projects have been for federal universities. Why state?

I already told you the reason he is a graduate from the university.

Trying hard to cut us off from national grid so that they can have more ellectrity to sell to foreign countries and embezzle the money.

osuofia2:
I already told you the reason he is a graduate from the university.

he should be sacked then. Thats unfair. Private schools deserve power system more tgan state schools.

sevenhundred:
it not about the price now, where is the ⚡?

It is, and your saying it isn't is you being in denial.

It always has been...since the days of NEPA and even before. And now that power has been privatised since 2013, it has to be let to set its prices, otherwise it won't function well.

NO be lie, no be defence of any government, just common sense. No company would work well if government was setting its prices.

nairalanda1:
So long as there is no cost reflective tarrif, you can appoint a professor of electrical supply, and power would still be deficient

Plus around the time our telecoms sector was expanding under Obasanjo, the responsible ministers were in order a public administrator with no experience in the telecoms industry, a veterinarian, a career politician who had been an English lecturer before coming into politics and a career civil servant. Yet the telecoms sector grew..because it was allowed to set its prices and because one has to pay money before one uses a phone , thus there is no equivalent of bypassing meter as in electricity

But is there no way this bypassing of electricity can be curbed? Omo, I dey feel for PHCN oh. This issue, it's not just the poor people that are bypassing electricity, I know people who are well of still bypassing, and it's the PHCN guys that are aiding them.

This country sef. I seriously think it's because people don't get punished for their misdeeds, from top to bottom, that's y this country is in this mess.

By the time we start setting examples, then things will start taking shape.

Gotocourt:
Enough of all this university power plants, how about the community members

Epileptic power supply, we cant have industrialization with this media projects . Nigeria needs power projects that will add to national grid.

Government want to reduce overhead costs.
The government spend a lot in financing the university.

Which ever way, Tinubu must go

Richtaiwo:
Do you even understand what a disaster looks like?

A disaster is when someone confidently refer to a Senior Advocate of Nigeria as an accountant. A level of ignorance so spectacular it practically announces itself before the person even finishes speaking.

What business does an accountant have with electricity sector

lebete3000:
A time will come when NEPA will beg for customers dem no go see.

NEPA is the final institution that'll go the way of Nitel. People who have other sources of electricity, especially this Solar System.

Spot on.. I’m seeing this as well

nairalanda1:
NEPA and NITEL failed because they were not allowed to charge cost reflective tarrifs.

Even NITEL GSM subsidiary MTEL was charging half the price that MTN and then Econent were charging because that was what government told them to charge. Result, MTN and Econent made enough profits to improve service. Glo followed in their footsteps and did same. By 2008, Glo was expanding into other countries. Mtel was on its last legs



Besides NEPA does not exist, it is now gencos and discos and they are private companies.

When people are underpaying and stealing power and only band A who form 20% of total consumers are paying a cost reflective tarrif, you won't expect good service.

Why making excuses for them when they're already privatized to charge whatever they like?

Even the Band A customers, how many people are actually enjoying the service?

They should simply enforce prepaid meters for everyone and they'll have peace of mind, but Sam dem no gree dah won, dem say dem wan continue dey rip off customers via estimated billing. They should also expect to be ripped off in turn.

These gencos hate customers on prepaid meters and would scarcely put them on Band A sef, even if they have the money.

They're privatized already, if they like they should get their house in order, if they like they shouldn't, one way or the other, they'll learn.

lebete3000:
Why making excuses for them when they're already privatized to charge whatever they like?

Even the Band A customers, how many people are actually enjoying the service?

They should simply enforce prepaid meters for everyone and they'll have peace of mind, but Sam dem no gree dah won, dem say dem wan continue dey rip off customers via estimated billing. They should also expect to be ripped off in turn.

These gencos hate customers on prepaid meters and would scarcely put them on Band A sef, even if they have the money.

They're privatized already, if they like they should get their house in order, if they like they shouldn't, one way or the other, they'll learn.

So if I said your business is not doing well because government is setting the prices of the goods you sell way below what you bought them for wholesale and not covering your losses..
I am therefore making excuses for your failure as a businessman.

When in reality I am pointing out the bad government policy that prevents you from making a profit

I am bashing government policies and you are being abusive to me because of that.

Even FG is going solar

A simple Google search would have saved you from disgracing yourself

Guestmale:
Where did you get this from that solar panels only last for 2 years before decline.It is not everybody on Nairaland that's ignorant.

I wonder how old you are not to know yet that ChatGPT answers depend on how you phrase query. If you ask it to support any notion in this world, it simply will.

I'm not someone like u that depends on that. But on real engineering knowledge in the field. So I can help you get informed if you don't choose to remain sillly.

20 years lifespan is reserved for Tier-1 monocrystalline panels. The ones you have here is the Thin-film panels (e.g., amorphous silicon, CdTe, CIGS). It's even worse that they are very low quality.

Go and ask people that had to arrest their installer what they observed after just 6 months.

Now, check the AI response that explains the type of short lifespan panels you see around. Since that is your knowledge source.

TheBizGenius:
This is what chatgpt said:

No—those claims are off;

Standard solar panels typically last 20–30 years with gradual output decline (~0.3–0.8% per year), not a 2-year lifespan.

Heat and roof type can reduce efficiency slightly, but proper mounting, airflow, and quality installation prevent damage.

The real issue is poor system design and cheap components, not the technology itself.

#the way nairaland people lie should be studied in a university as a course#

IndexMode:
A simple Google search would have saved you from disgracing yourself

This is the result of my google search. Now who has disgrace himself.

Check my previous post explaining to another half educated person like you too

You don't even know the type of panel you should research about. If you think it's those modern monocrystalline panels that's available in Nigeria. It just became clearer where your schooling should start from.

Guestmale:
This is the result of my google search. Now who has disgrace himself.

IndexMode:
I wonder how old you are not to know yet that ChatGPT answers depend on how you phrase query. If you ask it to support any notion in this world, it simply will.

I'm not someone like u that depends on that. But on real engineering knowledge in the field. So I can help you get informed if you don't choose to remain sillly.

20 years lifespan is reserved for Tier-1 monocrystalline panels. The ones you have here is the Thin-film panels (e.g., amorphous silicon, CdTe, CIGS). It's even worse that they are very low quality.

Go and ask people that had to arrest their installer what they observed after just 6 months.

Now, check the AI response that explains the type of short lifespan panels you see around. Since that is your knowledge source.

The challenge?

Young people getting the power and platform to talk without having anything beyond opinions to say.

To be worthy to be listened to as an expert, get the EXPERTISE (talk to an electrical engineer), EXPERIENCE (work in that environment for at least 10 years) AND EXPOSURE (read up big time on it).

Your assumption that government projects use the same specs as the ones you buy off the store shelf is even weird.

And no, I would not insult you back. My background is too aristocratic for me to get into the mud with you.

#all these me sef I get opinion people sef#

IndexMode:
Check my previous post explaining to another half educated person like you too

You don't even know the type of panel you should research about. If you think it's those modern monocrystalline panels that's available in Nigeria. It just became clearer where your schooling should start from.

I can see clearly you are only good at insulting but lacked the necessary and adequate knowledge to argue or defend the half knowledge you have about the solar energy.

Clearly, you first need to learn to read

Guestmale:
I can see clearly you are only good at insulting but lacked the necessary and adequate knowledge to argue or defend the half knowledge you have about the solar energy.

You needed the insult. You initially talked with a stoic stance as if you actually knew about solar panels.
Now you are calming down. It had a good effect.

But you are still wrong. Electrical engineers need to actually specialize before they know much about panels. I've actually done that business a little but I soon realize you have to lie to get ahead.

I was talking about the panels people are installing o their roofs. That its not a worthwhile investment. Not this FG project.
The one they did in Ghana. They placed it on the river, to help with cooling and I commended it.

I insist that those panels they sell in shops and just put flat on the roof without even mounting gap are just decoration and won't last more than 2 years before the owners get frustrated.

People that are informed are already moving the conversation to the environmental hazard of discarded panels that would soon become common.

TheBizGenius:
The challenge?

Young people getting the power and platform to talk without having anything beyond opinions to say.

To be worthy to be listened to as an expert, get the EXPERTISE (talk to an electrical engineer), EXPERIENCE (work in that environment for at least 10 years) AND EXPOSURE (read up big time on it).

Your assumption that government projects use the same specs as the ones you buy off the store shelf is even weird.

And no, I would not insult you back. My background is too aristocratic for me to get into the mud with you.

#all these me sef I get opinion people sef#

IndexMode:
Clearly, you first need to learn to read

What have you written, insult?

IndexMode:
You needed the insult. You initially talked with a stoic stance as if you actually knew about solar panels.
Now you are calming down. It had a good effect.

But you are still wrong. Electrical engineers need to actually specialize before they know much about panels. I've actually done that business a little but I soon realize you have to lie to get ahead.

I was talking about the panels people are installing o their roofs. That its not a worthwhile investment. Not this FG project.
The one they did in Ghana. They placed it on the river, to help with cooling and I commended it.

I insist that those panels they sell in shops and just put flat on the roof without even mounting gap are just decoration and won't last more than 2 years before the owners get frustrated.

People that are informed are already moving the conversation to the environmental hazard of discarded panels that would soon become common.

To address 3 things.

1st, my 1st degree is in mechanical engineering and that was 35yrs ago. I listen to real intelligence from people who actually studied relevant courses during discussions rather than "I do business in.."

My best friend back then was in Elect. Elect. and he was building a failed inverter by the time we were leaving school. I tend to respect people like that. Like I would respect a mechanical engineer and not listen to a roadside mechanic. It's a thing with me.

2nd, the subject matter was a government project and I showed you what chatgpt said but you probably felt triggered to defend and justify your position but now you're changing the goalpost to cheap hardware bought in stores.

3rd, I still can't insult you, even if I wish to. Like I said, a person's background shines through, no matter the provocation.

Have a great day ahead.

Guy rest.
u r not an engineer. You won't have rushed to chatgpt for input. You had no professional insights. U didn't even know there are different types of panel.

Next time don't jump into people's mention without first reading what they are talking about.

TheBizGenius:
To address 3 things.

1st, my 1st degree is in mechanical engineering and that was 35yrs ago. I listen to real intelligence from people who actually studied relevant courses during discussions rather than "I do business in.."

My best friend back then was in Elect. Elect. and he was building a failed inverter by the time we were leaving school. I tend to respect people like that. Like I would respect a mechanical engineer and not listen to a roadside mechanic. It's a thing with me.

2nd, the subject matter was a government project and I showed you what chatgpt said but you probably felt triggered to defend and justify your position but now you're changing the goalpost to cheap hardware bought in stores.

3rd, I still can't insult you, even if I wish to. Like I said, a person's background shines through, no matter the provocation.

Have a great day ahead.

IndexMode:
Guy rest.
u r not an engineer. You won't have rushed to chatgpt for input. You had no professional insights. U didn't even know there are different types of panel.

Next time don't jump into people's mention without first reading what they are talking about.

And finally, the insults stopped and educational backgrounds show up.

Either you didn't attend a higher institute of learning or you didn't think it through to realize that educational curriculums would have changed over the last 35yrs. Furthermore, I doubt if mechanical engineers today would study solar panels.

For your info, I transitioned into law, later management, later consulting and finally into business. (Suspecting it's not your 1 shop/container business type though, which explains why you feel you have to lie to your customers and clients).

Have a wonder-filled lifetime.

nairalanda1:
So if I said your business is not doing well because government is setting the prices of the goods you sell way below what you bought them for wholesale and not covering your losses..
I am therefore making excuses for your failure as a businessman.

When in reality I am pointing out the bad government policy that prevents you from making a profit

I am bashing government policies and you are being abusive to me because of that.

Mention a single word that was abusive to you in my statement and we'll continue the discussion after I apologize.

If not, enjoy your day sir.

Skodiswayze:
The Average cost of building a solar plant is around $1.6m, about #2.3bn, about #1.5bn padding/inflation for the people in charge. Nigeria is a joke to sane countries, a channel for jokes and dramas

its even cheaper if you check Alibaba from direct sellers your self .....these people are just scamming us