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| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 9:09pm On Apr 26*. Modified: 9:21am On Apr 27 |
bolabizzle:Since you have a shallow sense, the pastor didn't just made a promise, he also redirected me from helping myself - asking me not to go to the police to retrieve my money from the people who threw my belongings out and at the same time he didn't fulfill his promise, making me lose at both ends. If not for his promise, I wouldn't have listened to that advice, and I could have rented a house. But your senses only ends at "he made a promise and didn't fulfill it". That is how most of you FAIL your exams - 0/100. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 10:25am On May 01 |
voiceunheard:
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| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 1:43am On May 02 |
Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 NLT [4] When you make a promise to God, don’t delay in following through, for God takes no pleasure in fools. Keep all the promises you make to him. [5] It is better to say nothing than to make a promise and not keep it. [6] Don’t let your mouth make you sin. And don’t defend yourself by telling the Temple messenger that the promise you made was a mistake. That would make God angry, and he might wipe out everything you have achieved. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 1:45am On May 02 |
The Bible uses several terms to describe people who make significant promises or vows and fail to fulfill them, generally labeling them as fools, deceivers, liars, or unfaithful. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 1:47am On May 02 |
The deceiver is no other person than Pastor Onyekachi Nwokolobia from Living Faith Church (Winners Chapel). |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by smartigo: 6:46am On May 02 |
voiceunheard:The pastor never told you to believe him, the choice to believe him was your own initiative too. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by smartigo: 6:54am On May 02 |
voiceunheard:This is your only point and you are justified to be angry. Did he apologize to you for this? I guess he did and you reported him. So, both of you are scored. Lastly,I thought you had forgotten him. Then what justice are you looking for ? |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 8:50am On May 02 |
smartigo:He never apologized rather he said I am a th*ef, I want to reap where I didn't sow. Justice concerning the loan cycle he has put me into/detrimental reliance. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 8:54am On May 02 |
smartigo:He prayed with me and told me "God has stepped into the matter", and made the promise. He also asked me not to report the people who threw my belongings out to the police. The moment he made the promise, he killed that zeal/desperation in me to look for money and rent a house. His promise made me lazy to pursue my plan. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 7:18pm On May 02 |
smartigo:This is just a classic "victim-blaming" argument, but legally and ethically, this is completely wrong. In law, there is a concept called "Detrimental Reliance" (or Promissory Estoppel), and in simple terms, it means: If you make a promise that you expect someone to act on, and they suffer harm because they believed you, you are responsible for that harm. They won't say because it's your choice to believe the person who made the promise, that you caused the harm. And this one even invoked God's name saying "God has stepped into the matter". If we shouldn't believe pastors, then who should we believe? |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 9:57pm On May 02 |
smartigo:If that is the case, which means nobody should go to the hospital when they are sick. If you go, anything the doctor tells you and you believe, any outcome it results to, you are on your own. Can you see that your tactic didn't work? |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by smartigo: 7:44am On May 03 |
voiceunheard:I can understand how hurtful that experience must have been for you especially from a highly respected person or supposed respected person. You have done your best by reporting it so the cycle ends. The Lord will heal you and you need to move on too . I wish you well. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 8:27am On May 03*. Modified: 12:43pm On May 03 |
smartigo:The circle didn't end even after getting in touch with the wife of one of the high-ranking pastors in Living Faith Church. Some of the responses from the pastors who called me: "You shouldn't have trusted the pastor - it's because you trusted the pastor that's why you are going through all these" "When a matter gets to us, we can only give advice, we can not do anything about it" "One year is enough for you to put your life in order" "Why will you be waiting for the pastor to fulfill his promise when you didn't put money in his pocket" "Even if the pastor offend you, you are supposed to leave everything for God" "The church is not obligated to intervene because you are not a member, even if you are a member, there is a standard you have to get to" "You are supposed to be patient, even if it will take the pastor one year to fulfill his promise" "Is it every time you pray to God that you receive answers immediately?" Concerning the pastor's/ church's silence for several months, they said "Individuals (including the church and the pastor) can see a message/email/call and decide to ignore" . These are just some of the responses after they have promised urgent attention. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 8:30am On May 03 |
Concerning what they said "You shouldn't have trusted the pastor", they are indirectly saying that you should trust any of their pastors at your own risk. The church is no longer a place of safety but a place of risk. People should be careful when walking into any church in times of problem, because you might end up coming back worse than the way you were when you went there. Me going there is like me walking into a trap. The pastor's promise wasn't genuine, it was made with deception using God's name. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by LordReed(m): 10:39am On May 03 |
voiceunheard:As much as I sympathise with you, you have no case in actuality. A promise is not legally binding so I dunno why you are reporting this person. Move on with your life, this is one of those disappointments that happen from time to time. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 11:06am On May 03*. Modified: 12:40pm On May 03 |
LordReed:You are trying to say that this doesn't fall under detrimental reliance? A promise isn't a legal binding but he interfered with my legal right if not that I later went to the police. What about the death threat?
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| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by LordReed(m): 1:24pm On May 03 |
voiceunheard:IANAL but AFAIK it would only matter if he did it with the connivance of the people you had a dispute with. The death threat is a different issue, report that to the police if you must. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by DeepSight(m): 1:32pm On May 03 |
voiceunheard:Brother / Sister. You are a strange person. I sympathize with your hardships but for the life of me I cant imagine why you would report a person for failure to fulfill a promise to assist you. Please try and remove that person from your mind, take your life in your own hands and be logical, thoughtful, determined and focused. Whatever work you do or can do, focus on that and triple your hustle. Do not rely on favors and do not waste energy on chasing down favors that do not come or pursuing misguided vengeance. I have a mind to offer you some help but second thoughts make me wonder if I might become a victim of your reporting skills in future as well. Aside from this, you do not come across as put together. You seem very unsettled, disjointed in thought and even somewhat unstable and this makes one wary of interacting too closely with you. I dont say these to denigrate or discourage: believe me I say it to urge you to put your self together and pursue things in a way that will not scare people away from you. There is an energy we each exude that can attract or repel. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 1:34pm On May 03 |
LordReed:It could be that the people who evicted me are involved because they know about it. That is why I have to report the pastor, he is the type that listens to gossip and acts on it without verifying or knowing the full story. Although, your point isn't clear here. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 1:39pm On May 03 |
DeepSight:I wasn't chasing any favors, that is where you didn't get it right. He was the one that interfered with my plans and at the end didn't fulfill his promise, making me lose at both ends. Talking about to triple my hustle, you are not the one to tell me. As a person looking for money to rent a house, that's what I wanted to do before he killed that zeal/desperation with his promise. Talking about removing him from my mind, it isn't as easy as you think because I am going through ongoing problems now as a result of trusting him. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 1:45pm On May 03 |
DeepSight:You can follow the second thought if your mind cannot carry it to offer help. Like I said earlier on this post, I don't know how to ask from people, so I can't tell you whether to go ahead with your help or not. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 2:01pm On May 03 |
What if the pastor was actually looking for something else, since it didn't work, that was why he didn't fulfill his promise? He was the one who brought about "prostitu*ion" comment which is a direct attack on my dignity. He also admitted that since I have stopped calling him, he said to himself: "let him see how I will look for a way out". Him saying "there are many people he promised, he is settling them little by little" means that he makes reckless promises. Another person might be a victim if I didn't report him. Before I reported him, I went to his office and he said he has nothing to tell me. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by LordReed(m): 3:02pm On May 03 |
voiceunheard:What I am saying is legally he cannot be held liable for expressing his opinion. If that opinion was result of a conspiracy to deprive you of your rights then he could be held liable. But you'd have to prove it with evidence. Saying he listens to gossip is not evidence. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 3:38pm On May 03 |
LordReed:Even if it was just an opinion as you said, do you think without the promise that followed the opinion will stand? He can be held liable for it because the opinion came with a promise. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by LordReed(m): 4:30pm On May 03*. Modified: 7:47pm On May 03 |
voiceunheard:Then charge him to court if you think he can be held liable. I can promise you, you'd be laughed out of the court. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by DeepSight(m): 4:47pm On May 03 |
LordReed:Absolutely. This kind of case can even lead to the lawyer who brings it being penalized for frivolity and abuse of court processes. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 5:07pm On May 03 |
LordReed:If I have the money, I will charge him to court not only for the detrimental reliance but also for the death threat.
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| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 5:08pm On May 03 |
DeepSight:Because it started with a promise? |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 5:14pm On May 03 |
LordReed:He exploited my vulnerability big time. Even if I don't have the money to take him to court, he can't run away from the consequences. One thing about the past is that it's like a shadow following us anywhere we go. Even if you forgot your past, it will remember you. He will later pay. |
| Re: My Painful Experience With A Nigerian Pastor’s False Promise & Church's Silence by voiceunheard(op): 5:17pm On May 03 |
DeepSight:You know why you are saying this? Because you don't know the aftermath of the promise. He made a massive unprovoked commitment to someone in crisis without a genuine effort/plan to fulfill it. Is that not deception? |
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