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The major problem Nigeria is facing as a country is tribalism as Nigerians tend to support their so called brother who is in the position of echelon.
Whether he is killing other people including him, they just don't care so far they are from the same tribe, they are with him a hundred percent without opposing him even for once.
When the so called brother leaves the position and another tribe is now in power,you will now see them coming out with full force to criticise the new tribe in power.
This circle goes on for decades non stop.
The Nigerian politicians know that this is how the Nigerian citizens are and they will always play the tribal card with the religious card to spice it up and they will clinch whatever they want to clinch.
Until all Nigerians change their hypocritical attitude and speak truth to whoever is in power,we will continue to remain where we are presently or even worse.
I rest my case.

guobe:
The major problem Nigeria is facing as a country is tribalism as Nigerians tend to support their so called brother who is in the position of echelon.
Whether he is killing other people including him, they just don't care so far they are from the same tribe, they are with him a hundred percent without opposing him even for once.
When the so called brother leaves the position and another tribe is now in power,you will now see them coming out with full force to criticise the new tribe in power.
This circle goes on for decades non stop.
The Nigerian politicians know that this is how the Nigerian citizens are and they will always play the tribal card with the religious card to spice it up and they will clinch whatever they want to clinch.
Until all Nigerians change their hypocritical attitude and speak truth to whoever is in power,we will continue to remain where we are presently or even worse.
I rest my case.

Politics is tribal.

This is what your J3wish masters always say in the US as to why they vote their own or any AIPAC bought lackey.

Tribal and religion Politics, it shall never be well with peter obi .

Obi and his supporters are the most guilty in this regard. How can you get 90% of the votes in your region alone and can not repeat same in any other region? That is an incontrovertible evidence of tribalism. Obi was voted for not for being competent but because of tribalism. Even Tinubu lost Lagos but Obis tribalism is out of this world.

DomPerignon:
Politics is tribal.

This is what your J3wish masters always say in the US as to why they vote their own or any AIPAC bought lackey.

Will you prefer an incompetent tribe to a competent non tribe ?

The one you think is the best might be the worst.... respect other people choice.... the system is corrupt

2special:
The one you think is the best might be the worst.... respect other people choice.... the system is corrupt

We are not talking about choice here but speaking truth to whoever is in charge.
I don't care about who anyone decides to choose but you should always tell the person in charge where he or she is getting it wrong and the need to adjust and stop being a yes sir person.

guobe:
Will you prefer an incompetent tribe to a competent non tribe ?

I don't understand why it's only you people that always shout tribalism.

You supported Nnamdi Kanu, Simon Ekpa, Ojukwu and Obi and you don't see yourself as tribalists. You are Igbo and you support Obi but you are not a tribalists. All the governors and senators, HOR in Nigeria singing Tinubu's mandate song are they all Yoruba?

guobe:
We are not talking about choice here but speaking truth to whoever is in charge.
I don't care about who anyone decides to choose but you should always tell the person in charge where he or she is getting it wrong and the need to adjust and stop being a yes sir person.

You yourself know you are just gaslighting people. How will another president remove subsidy and still make food and petrol cheap? If it's that easy why have we been paying subsidies since forever?

You want to replace a Tinubu with a Peter Obi? What are you on?

@OP.

Your talk is the equivalent of flogging a dead horse to move. An exercise in futility.

When will you Nigerians understand the saying 'insanity is doing the same thing over and over again to expect a different outcome"?

Nigerians are very different people who have no business being together and , bar lord Lugard's amalgamation, would ordinarily form very different nations same way, for example, Ghana, Cameroon, South Africa etal are very different to Nigeria.

If the tribalistic predisposition of Nigerians has not changed for many decades now, at what stage will you people agree we should all go and organise our lives under full regional autonomy so that people of same ethnicity, or homogeneity of socio-economic ideas, can lead themselves as they wish as is the case with most successful and developed nations of the world?

WizardOfNG:
@OP.

Your talk is the equivalent of flogging a dead horse to move. An exercise in futility.

When will you Nigerians understand the saying 'insanity is doing the same thing over and over again to expect a different outcome"?

Nigerians are very different people who have no business being together and , bar lord Lugard's amalgamation, would ordinarily form very different nations same way, for example, Ghana, Cameroon, South Africa etal are very different to Nigeria.

If the tribalistic predisposition of Nigerians has not changed for many decades now, at what stage will you people agree we should all go and organise our lives under full regional autonomy so that people of same ethnicity, or homogeneity of socio-economic ideas, can lead themselves as they wish as is the case with most successful and developed nations of the world?

Absolutely spot on,you nailed it,Nigerians are really a different breed of people and they deserve the type of leaders they are getting.
Most Nigerians have a very parochial mindset and do not deserve pity if they are suffering the consequences of it.

You are partially right.

Please people from the same state, don't let's us talk about region, how have they been treating themselves?

States within a region, any projects and development collaboration within them?

alanto:
You yourself know you are just gaslighting people. How will another president remove subsidy and still make food and petrol cheap? If it's that easy why have we been paying subsidies since forever?

You want to replace a Tinubu with a Peter Obi? What are you on?

Don't mind him. Tinubu is doing precisely what must be done, how it must be done, to reposition Nigeria after decades of cumulative misrule.

Those who are not entrenched in the tribalism Nigerians are drowning in, i.e non-Nigerians, admit Tinubu is doing well. The Nigerian central bank, for the first time ever, has just emerged world best central bank of the year because of the reforms of our CBN governor Cardoso.

No leader who means well for Nigeria can do different to what Tinubu is doing because the rules of socio-economic leadership of nations are very simple and clearly defined.

Opposition to Tinubu's leadership is nothing but tribalism. Buhari and Jonathan ran up trillions in debt to GENCOs and DISCOs that has now floored our power sector.

Yet their respective kinsmen will be attacking Tinubu, now dedicatedly moving to clear up the debt both former Presidents accumulated, as responsible for poor power supply whereas if they are not tribalistic they would be able to see that Tinubu is trying to clear the mess their kinsmen caused.

We are wasting time, lives and energy not understanding we need to move to secure full regional autonomy.

Let people of similar ethnicity or homogeneity of socio-economic ideas go and lead themselves. That is the simple solutions to all our problems self-destructively stubborn Nigerians do not wish to acknowledge.

guobe:
Absolutely spot on,you nailed it,Nigerians are really a different breed of people and they deserve the type of leaders they are getting.
Most Nigerians have a very parochial mindset and do not deserve pity if they are suffering the consequences of it.

We should simply go our separate ways. At least along regional lines as Awolowo fervently believed.

Me for example, perhaps because I have lived majority of my life outside Nigeria, cannot understand why any Nigerian is supporting a Northerner to be President in 2027 and even queued behind Atiku to replace Buhari in 2023.

My reasoning is very simple. If Nigeria is the UK for example, Britons will never entertain the effort of a leader in Birmingham to be prime Minister of the nation if he has shown no efficacy for delivering solutions to the problems under his nose and jurisdiction in Birmingham.

Yorubas did not create terrorism against themselves. Yet we saw the effort of their leaders,with Amotekun, to protect lives and property of South-Westerners.

Can anybody then explain to me why any Nigerian is indulging the effort of Atiku, Kwankwaso etal to become President when we have never seen them taking an interest, nor responsibility, for delivering solutions to the problem their kinsmen and region is causing Nigeria?

Nigeria could fail anytime because of terrorism. Yet Northern leaders cannot sit up and take responsibility for providing solutions to this grave problem they are causing for such a beautiful and blessed nation. Instead their focus, every single day, is how to produce the next President of Nigeria.

We need to go out separate ways along regional lines asap. Nigerians just lack the sophistication to note that.

DomPerignon:
Politics is tribal.

This is what your J3wish masters always say in the US as to why they vote their own or any AIPAC bought lackey.

Precisely. Especially in a nation like Nigeria where the strangest of bedfellows have been brought together and charged to co-exist.

Why don't we tackle the reality of how we are very different, and perhaps need to forge very different lives in our respective regions, instead of spouting empty rhetorics daily about tribalism, "one Nigeria" etc?

To me, what Nigeria needs the most, rather than another election that changes nothing, is a sincere national conference where we will all speak and conclusions reached must be implemented.

We need to talk honestly with each other and , most importantly, accept our different needs and approach to life.

Meaning we must then fundamentally accept the urgent need for us all to define our corners of the world how it suits us.

guobe:
Will you prefer an incompetent tribe to a competent non tribe ?

Bro, give precise example. Stop dancing around mischievously. Show what "competent non tribe" person has done that makes him/her a messiah.

What exactly has Obi achieved, as a leader, for an ethnic group of more than 30 million to be declaring him a Messiah and rescuer of Nigeria today, whereas they cursed him vehemently for failing as Governor of Anambra in the past?

Is that not the definition of tribalism you are talking about!

Same people will accuse Tinubu of "no achievement" to tout Obi the messiah, when he is the personification of leadership failure, whereas the brightest minds, in the finest institutions in the world, are creating dissertations about the critical and pivotal achievements of PBAT while Governor of Lagos.

Would someone like you ever praise Tinubu as the truth, per leadership, as an objective non-Nigerians, Gabriel Kuris, does below? No. Never.

You will keep insisting your failed kinsman Obi is best. That, precisely, is the "tribalism" tragedy of Nigeria where we all claim others are the problems whereas each and every one of us is the problem.


https://successfulsocieties.princeton.edu/publications/remaking-neglected-megacity-civic-transformation-lagos-state-1999-2012

Thedon22:
Obi and his supporters are the most guilty in this regard. How can you get 90% of the votes in your region alone and can not repeat same in any other region? That is an incontrovertible evidence of tribalism. Obi was voted for not for being competent but because of tribalism. Even Tinubu lost Lagos but Obis tribalism is out of this world.

See them trying to change the narrative.... we know what oba of lagos said about the igbos in 2019 , we know what mc oluomo did in 2023 ... we see them here on NL throwing tribal slurs against the igbos ... APC failed under buhari ....they lost lagos because of that , but this tribalist says , we voted obi due to tribalism....

WizardOfNG:
Bro, give precise example. Stop dancing around mischievously. Show what "competent non tribe" person has done that makes him/her a messiah.

What exactly has Obi achieved, as a leader, for an ethnic group of more than 30 million to be declaring him a Messiah and rescuer of Nigeria today, whereas they cursed him vehemently for failing as Governor of Anambra in the past?

Is that not the definition of tribalism you are talking about!

Same people will accuse Tinubu of "no achievement" to tout Obi the messiah, when he is the personification of leadership failure, whereas the brightest minds, in the finest institutions in the world, are creating dissertations about the critical and pivotal achievements of PBAT while Governor of Lagos.

Would someone like you ever praise Tinubu as the truth, per leadership, as an objective non-Nigerians, Gabriel Kuris, does below? No. Never.

You will keep insisting your failed kinsman Obi is best. That, precisely, is the "tribalism" tragedy of Nigeria where we all claim others are the problems whereas each and every one of us is the problem.


https://successfulsocieties.princeton.edu/publications/remaking-neglected-megacity-civic-transformation-lagos-state-1999-2012

A precise example is the fixing of your car,will you prefer your car to be fixed by an incompetent mechanic who is from your tribe or a competent mechanic who is from another tribe ?
Tribalism killing Nigeria does not boil down to only politics alone but all works of life.
I am not pro any politician as they are all thesame and only interested in their selfish interest.

WizardOfNG:
Precisely. Especially in a nation like Nigeria where the strangest of bedfellows have been brought together and charged to co-exist.

Why don't we tackle the reality of how we are very different, and perhaps need to forge very different lives in our respective regions, instead of spouting empty rhetorics daily about tribalism, "one Nigeria" etc?

To me, what Nigeria needs the most, rather than another election that changes nothing, is a sincere national conference where we will all speak and conclusions reached must be implemented.

We need to talk honestly with each other and , most importantly, accept our different needs and approach to life.

Meaning we must then fundamentally accept the urgent need for us all to define our corners of the world how it suits us.

The north won't agree to this, as their leaders can't survive without access to steal Nigeria's resources (reason why they always feel uncomfortable not being in power). The east won't want this, because they know they won't have access to the large Nigerian market (forget all those "let us go" rhetorics they're fooling themselves with. All of that was busted when northern youths asked them to leave the north, and their elders went crawling on their belly and knees to beg them).

cr7lomo:
See them trying to change the narrative.... we know what oba of lagos said about the igbos in 2019 , we know what mc oluomo did in 2023 ... we see them here on NL throwing tribal slurs against the igbos ... APC failed under buhari ....they lost lagos because of that , but this tribalist says , we voted obi due to tribalism....

If not tribalism, what then? Did he do any legacy projects in Anambra? Show me pictures of his achievements in Anambra that surpass his gov colleagues of that time. Just show me pictures of his roads and infrastructure when he was gov. Or am I asking for too much? If you can show me I will forever remain quiet.

TokoEkambi:
The north won't agree to this, as their leaders can't survive without access to steal Nigeria's resources (reason why they always feel uncomfortable not being in power). The east won't want this, because they know they won't have access to the large Nigerian market (forget all those "let us go" rhetorics they're fooling themselves with. All of that was busted when northern youths asked them to leave the north, and their elders went crawling on their belly and knees to beg them).

Baba, you are 💯% right. Yet the issue boils down to how much the rest of us who are progressive ( I believe those to be people of the SW, SS, NC) want a great and developed Nigeria.

What we fail to fight for today will damage us for generations. We are suffering today because of the failures of past leaders.

What progressive Nigerian should be fighting for right now is a just and equitable nation where those doing the right things are rewarded and those doing wrong are sanctioned.

How hard is it to ask the North, the existential threat to Nigeria, to fix up instead of us indulging the fixation of their leaders to produce the President of our nation?

For many decades now they are yet to have a reformer like Awolowo who transformed the fortunes of Yorubas with free education.

Today NC and NW regions are the arbiters of terrorism threatening to engulf Nigeria.

Yet Atiku, Kwankwaso, El Rufai etal all are only interested in trying to influence the Arrival of the next President rather than dedicate all their energy on delivering their region from terror.

Did the world not see how Yoruba leaders ( RIP Akeredolu) moved when terrorism was threatening the SW in 2020 to 2022?

Why do we keep indulging wrongdoers? Is it cowardice or slave mentality? That is what I don't understand because to me the way forward is simply about Nigerians, rather than fighting themselves impotently, having the bravery to challenge those causing problems to fix up or go their way.

guobe:
The major problem Nigeria is facing as a country is tribalism as Nigerians tend to support their so called brother who is in the position of echelon.
Whether he is killing other people including him, they just don't care so far they are from the same tribe, they are with him a hundred percent without opposing him even for once.
When the so called brother leaves the position and another tribe is now in power,you will now see them coming out with full force to criticise the new tribe in power.
This circle goes on for decades non stop.
The Nigerian politicians know that this is how the Nigerian citizens are and they will always play the tribal card with the religious card to spice it up and they will clinch whatever they want to clinch.
Until all Nigerians change their hypocritical attitude and speak truth to whoever is in power,we will continue to remain where we are presently or even worse.
I rest my case.

Nigeria is not suppose to be one country. The three major tribes in Nigeria don't share anything in common and so have no business being together as a country.

This is the bitter truth we all have been hiding from each other since independent. The likes of awolowo and sir Ahmadu Bello saw this and were bold enough to advocate for the dissolution of this entity.
But a leader of a certain tribe, out of foolishness and greed, insisted that the country must remain one indivisible entity.

This tribalism is natural and it will continue to exist as long as the country remains one.

Sprinkle some religion into it and watch it all go kaboom 💥

WizardOfNG:
Baba, you are 💯% right. Yet the issue boils down to how much the rest of us who are progressive ( I believe those to be people of the SW, SS, NC) want a great and developed Nigeria.

What we fail to fight for today will damage us for generations. We are suffering today because of the failures of past leaders.

What progressive Nigerian should be fighting for right now is a just and equitable nation where those doing the right things are rewarded and those doing wrong are sanctioned.

How hard is it to ask the North, the existential threat to Nigeria, to fix up instead of us indulging the fixation of their leaders to produce the President of our nation?

For many decades now they are yet to have a reformer like Awolowo who transformed the fortunes of Yorubas with free education.

Today NC and NW regions are the arbiters of terrorism threatening to engulf Nigeria.

Yet Atiku, Kwankwaso, El Rufai etal all are only interested in trying to influence the Arrival of the next President rather than dedicate all their energy on delivering their region from terror.

Did the world not see how Yoruba leaders ( RIP Akeredolu) moved when terrorism was threatening the SW in 2020 to 2022?

Why do we keep indulging wrongdoers? Is it cowardice or slave mentality? That is what I don't understand because to me the way forward is simply about Nigerians, rather than fighting themselves impotently, having the bravery to challenge those causing problems to fix up or go their way.

I actually want either regionalism (or outright breakup). I was just pointing out the major obstacles to such. I am not a fan of Tinubu, but I have a lingering suspicion he may push for restructuring in his second term (by that time he wouldn't need to worry about northern support and all that).

Godfullsam:
Nigeria is not suppose to be one country. The three major tribes in Nigeria don't share anything in common and so have no business being together as a country.

This is the bitter truth we all have been hiding from each other since independent. The likes of awolowo and sir Ahmadu Bello saw this and were bold enough to advocate for the dissolution of this entity.
But a leader of a certain tribe, out of foolishness and greed, insisted that the country must remain one indivisible entity.

This tribalism is natural and it will continue to exist as long as the country remains one.

God bless you. Nigeria, as a nation, will never work unless we are all allowed to define our lives and purpose via regional autonomy.

Being irreconcilably different to others is not a crime.

What must happen, to accommodate the reality of how humans are very different, is formal recognition of the right of people with homogeneity of socio-economic ideas to control and define their own lives and geographic space as they wish.

Simple. It is the reason very different nations of the world exist side by side, have their own armies etc.

Godfullsam:
Nigeria is not suppose to be one country. The three major tribes in Nigeria don't share anything in common and so have no business being together as a country.

This is the bitter truth we all have been hiding from each other since independent. The likes of awolowo and sir Ahmadu Bello saw this and were bold enough to advocate for the dissolution of this entity.
But a leader of a certain tribe, out of foolishness and greed, insisted that the country must remain one indivisible entity.

This tribalism is natural and it will continue to exist as long as the country remains one.

Very valid point, all the major tribes in Nigeria are enemies pretending to be friends.

guobe:
Very valid point, all the major tribes in Nigeria are enemies pretending to be friends.

Now you are talking 👍🏾. Why the fake unity and attempt of Igbos, Yorubas, Hausa, Fulani etal claiming it is others who are "tribalistic" and the problem of Nigeria?

Why don't we all muster the focus and strength to demand regional autonomy so we can all go and define our corners of Nigeria as we please?

In life "the truth shall set you free". Always remember that.

Is that why you believe in Obi?

Thedon22:
If not tribalism, what then? Did he do any legacy projects in Anambra? Show me pictures of his achievements in Anambra that surpass his gov colleagues of that time. Just show me pictures of his roads and infrastructure when he was gov. Or am I asking for too much? If you can show me I will forever remain quiet.

Are u an Anambarian or do u live in Anambra to know if he dint do any legacy project ?? See them.... what did Tinubu do in lagos .... I have lived in lagos all my life since the 80s...mention one thing Tinubu did for lagosians apart from free waec for government schools...mention one other thing he did ...u think we feed on deception that u guys jump on propaganda and lies ... trying to claim projects that past military administrations , Jakande and then governors like fashola and Ambode executed .... Tinubu is nothing but a fraud ...even with the Large massive IGR ...u wanna compare lagos with Anambra...but u dont want to compare Nigeria with American or Switzerland...

Yoruba will be shouting southern presidency but at the back of their mind, its Yoruba presidency.
Even Tinubu didn't hide it when he said Emi lokan.

saddler:
Yoruba will be shouting southern presidency but at the back of their mind, its Yoruba presidency.
Even Tinubu didn't hide it when he said Emi lokan.

Lies. When Tinubu said emilokan he meant it was his turn to be APC flagbearer considering his monumental efforts, fininancial and political, to assist the North gain power and enjoy it for 8 years.

For example, Tinubu brought more Governors and legislators to APC, at her inception, than others.

Tinubu made the emilokan statement in defiance of the then APC chairman and others who were trying to force Buhari to scheme out PBAT because they believed him too independent-minded to be controlled or teleguided.

That is what emilokan is about and 1 100% supported Tinubu for making that statement against those who think they own Nigeria and believe power is their birthright.

Stop the lies. A man deserves to profit from the fruits of his labour whatever people like you think of than man.

Tinubu is never like your worthless Obi who builds nothing and no one to then expect others hand what they have used sweat and blood to build.