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| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by honesttalk21: 5:07pm On May 07 |
Antlisiam:Does the arabic and transliteration of Quran 19:71 read وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا ۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَّقْضِيًّا Wa in minkum illā wāriduhā kāna ʿalā rabbika ḥatman maqḍiyyā Where exactly is the equivalent of hell or fire in them? |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 6:05pm On May 07 |
honesttalk21:
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| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 6:09pm On May 07 |
honesttalk21:What is جهنم and this النار
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| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by honesttalk21: 3:51am On May 08 |
Antlisiam:I see your picture and understand jahannam and annar but what you write isn't a Quran verse. Prove me wrong if you are sincere. What verse of the Quran reads lays minkum man yastatie tajanub almurur binar jahanami. laqad farad rabukum dhalik ealaa nafsih? |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 7:48am On May 08*. Modified: 8:07am On May 08 |
honesttalk21:I don't understand you Are you denying your own book or what, am I the author of your quran? Why not tell your brother, Anti-Christian to recommend another Ile-kewu for you. Because the below is your quran, if you don't understand the arabic there in, tell your Alfa to help you out with the Tafsir maybe that will further help you out or I should still get you the Tafsir?
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| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 8:02am On May 08 |
honesttalk21:Your allah said it is a decree that you are going to h- e- l- l- jor did you know Islam more than allah or you know Islam more than those in Saudi Arabia? You said what I write isn't quran, shey na me be the author of your quran wey put jahanam inside it guy you are so funny ehnBobo, carry your frustration go meet allah and your anobi |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by RightChanneI: 8:25am On May 08 |
You want Islam but you don't want to go to h* e* l* l, how is that possible when it is a decree from allah? honesttalk21:Can you post the tafsir of Quran 19:71 to settle this matter! |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by RightChanneI: 8:27am On May 08 |
Post the tafsir let's check something! AntiChristian: |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by AntiChristian: 8:41am On May 08 |
RightChanneI:How did you pass your School exams? You made a claim and you are told to prove your claim. Then i should be the one to help you prove it. Is that not a new low for you? |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by AntiChristian: 8:44am On May 08 |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by honesttalk21: 8:58am On May 08 |
You say a Quran verse explicitly says so and produce arabic sentence leaning to that. You attribute your composition to the Quran yet can't precisely name the verse? Tell us if you can't understand what is requested and own up to your falsehood. Antlisiam: |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by honesttalk21: 9:09am On May 08 |
Now you see where your falsehood traps you. You say your claim is directly in the Quran but end up presenting a verse and perhaps commentary. Does the commentary substitute for the claim of being in the Quran you make? حَتْمًا hatman an inevitability / a decree now means جهنم jahannam or بِنَارِ binari? Please there's no shame in honourably accepting a mistake. Come clean. Antlisiam: |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by honesttalk21: 9:16am On May 08 |
Don't project your diagnosis to me. You can't manipulate or trick me. Do you deny stating: Antlisiam:Which Quran verse has fire in Arabic for this verse 19:71 Antlisiam: Antlisiam: |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 9:30am On May 08 |
honesttalk21:You wan turn me to your arabic teacher, this is what allah in quran said you should be doing by asking we Christians questions bothering you
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| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 9:33am On May 08 |
honesttalk21:Tell your second to recommend another Ile-kewu for you or should I introduce one to you at Eiye'korin in Ilorin? |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 9:39am On May 08 |
honesttalk21:Will you post the tafsir or what? You cannot exclude yourself from those going there, never, this is a decree from your allah |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 10:18am On May 08 |
AntiChristian:So you no see am abi? |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by honesttalk21: 10:37am On May 08 |
Antlisiam:So it's no longer in the Quran but now the tafsir? Tell me you don't understand what you are saying. Simple. |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 11:03am On May 08 |
honesttalk21:Is this not your quran? If you need arabic teacher, tell me
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| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by honesttalk21: 11:20am On May 08 |
Antlisiam:These are translations and I put it to you that the bracketed fire is not in the Arabic text. This has been clearly shown. You even highlighted حَتْمًا and clearly hatman means inevitability /a decree this doesn't mean hell or fire. |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 11:49am On May 08 |
honesttalk21:I said get yourself an arabic teacher or if you need one, I will direct you to Eiye'korin in Ilorin Am I the author of your Quran nii or na me be allah wey said it is a decree from him for you to go there?
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| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by RightChanneI: 12:13pm On May 08 |
AntiChristian:So all what Anti-islam has tagged you and honesttalk21 with are not from your quran right? |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by RightChanneI: 12:14pm On May 08 |
AntiChristian will need that too! Antlisiam: |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by honesttalk21: 12:15pm On May 08 |
Antlisiam:I don't get this level of contumacious obatinance. Do you need an Arabic tutor or interpreter to see that the Arabic words and interpretation in Quran 19:71 are وَإِن, wa-in, And there is not; مِّنكُمْ,minkum,among you; إِلَّا, illā, except; وَارِدُها, wāriduhā,one who approaches it; كَانَ, kāna, it has been;عَلَىٰ,ʿalā ,upon;رَبِّكَ, rabbika,your Lord,حَتْمًا,hatman,an inevitability;مَّقْضِيًّا, maqḍiyyā,decreed, Full sentence: وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَّقْضِيًّا , wa-in minkum illā wāriduhā, kāna ʿalā rabbika hatman maqḍiyyā,And there is not one among you except that he will approach it — that upon your Lord is an inevitability decreed. |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by RightChanneI: 12:15pm On May 08 |
Antlisiam:Next is they will ask for water in arabic to quench 🧯 the fire decreed over them! |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by RightChanneI: 12:22pm On May 08 |
honesttalk21:You are going to h* e* l* l* you can't escape it! |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 12:37pm On May 08 |
RightChanneI: na Federal Fire Service we go deploy for them |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 12:40pm On May 08 |
honesttalk21:Thank God I'm quoting difference versions of quran for you, jor am I the author of those versions and translations? Na decree allah decree, wetin be my own in this matter, carry your frustration go meet allah biko. Shey you need more versions, I get like 10 |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by Antlisiam: 12:41pm On May 08 |
RightChanneI:No escaping route for dem, dey must be there ![]() |
| Re: Strategic Prayer/dua To Free Yourself From "Destiny Swap" by honesttalk21: 12:46pm On May 08 |
RightChanneI:وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَّقْضِيًّا wa-in minkum illā wāriduhā kāna ʿalā rabbika ḥatman maqḍiyyā Is that your judgment to make? You are not the keeper of Hell or the one who decides who remains there. Yes, 19:71 is in the Qur’an. But the passage explains itself if you read it fully. In 19:68–70, Allah is already speaking about the arrogant wrongdoers gathered around Hell and identified as most deserving of burning therein. That is the established context before 19:71 even appears. Then 19:71 says all will wāriduhā pass over it. Then 19:72 immediately separates the outcomes: Allah saves the people of taqwā and leaves the wrongdoers there on their knees. If everyone entered Hell equally for punishment, 19:72 becomes meaningless. The distinction only works if passing over is not the same as condemned entry. If 19:71 meant every person enters Hell equally as punishment, then saying in 19:72: We will save those who had taqwā and leave the wrongdoers therein adds nothing meaningful as everyone would already be sharing the same condemned state. And the Arabic matters. The verse says wāriduhā l,approaching or passing over not all will enter for punishment. It also does not repeat the word Hell; the pronoun refers back to the Hell already mentioned in 19:68–70. So the passage is consistent from beginning to end: all confront it, but the righteous are saved while the wrongdoers remain. |
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