₦airaland Forum

LagosOrigin:
Which south west will tinubu get votes ? Don't tell me Lagos and osun state because he will woefully lose there .

Keep deceiving yourself and your fellow noisemakers.
You would be shocked , we have all seen the Muslim Muslim ticket.

Tinubu would be reelected come May 2027.

DeepSight:
As far as corruption is concerned, we all condemn fiascos such as the Diezani and Kola Aluko related scandals. However do you want to start a blow by blow comparison with this current government and its Chagouri department? I think not.

The biggest condemnation anyone can have of GEJ was that he was "weak" and should have been firmer. However he was clearly a mild mannered democrat who graciously bowed out without so much as going to court when he lost. This is in stark contrast to the attitude we are seeing from BAT who is intent on stifling the democratic space.

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imho GEJ was lucky he lost as a lot of the issues we are facing today were already coming

life and business is in cycles and the downward cycle was starting as GEJ exited



GEJ was not a mild mannered democrat - that is rosy eyed revisionism - he used the military to run the ekiti election,
the military were also stationed outside bourdillon
we saw how orubebe tried to scatter the vote count
we saw how the NSA was tuned into an election cash cow disbursing money to anyone and everyone
we saw how they delayed the election to kill APC's momentum [they correctly surmised that APC would run out of money. lets just say i witnessed some fundraising for the last two weeks]
then we had people like hamza al mustpha who should have remained in the dustbin of history released for reasons best known to gej
in the aftermath of gej losing the election everyone was paying back mobilization money

https://www.thecable.ng/falae-i-received-n100m-from-anenih-not-dasuki/

this was how olu falae collected 100m for mobilization as an example

Recall his attempt to remove fuel subsidy was robustly resisted - by the current president as well - only for same current president to yank it off on his first day without any iota of planning or human feeling whatsoever and crack down on protests in a draconian fashion. As you agree with the fuel subsidy removal, I dont think you should have anything to say on that score other than that GEJ should have stuck to his guns the way Bola has.

with respect to subsidy -
there is a graph that shows that subsidy ballooned under gej's watch - i think 200 to 300%
i was in the industry and there were hard rules for subsidy eligibility - you must have a depot ,you must have 500 stations nationwide. what happened was that under gej's admin subsidy became a free for all with every tom dick and harry with no assets being awarded contracts and bring paid for nothing

this led to the subsidy growing out of control. unfortunately we don't have detailed online news records because at the time, the president of MOMAN wrote an open letter on the pages of national dailies complaining about the proliferation of briefcase companies with no actual footprint being awarded subsidy grants and being paid for supplying nothing.

when it all blew up rather than prosecute the beneficiaries of the false subsidy payments - gej opted to punish Nigerians by removing subsidy on january one with no prior announcement.
i was on nl when it happened as it was announced on an FP thread. i immediately went out and filled my containers before the news spread. GEJ scored an own goal by cancelling subsidy without telling anyone before hand in the middle of a national holiday ;leaving traveling Nigerians stranded. he destroyed his goodwill and gave the opposition an opening.

and in the aftermath no one was punished during his tenure for inflated subsidy claims . we had a so called national assembly investigation that was nothing more than a shakedown with farouk lawan collecting dollars from otedola. and farouk did not see jail for 10 years after this.

I can see you are a BAT supporter but lets be fair to each person. In comparison with what we have had since 2015, far more Nigerians will rate GEJ above both PMB and BAT and that is a fact. Try a poll anywhere

of course Nigerians will rate GEJ over PMB or BAT. GEJ started borrowing to pay salaries at the end of his term. if he had won the election, the chickens would all have come home to roost proper. the man never made any hard decisions during his presidency - in his own words he came to create wealth - which he did be squandering the ECA. the average nigerian has a short memory and the average nigerian/citizen is interested in the immediate economy, not the future economy.

we had multiple scandals in gejs admin from stella odua to diezani to the job test stampede - and no one was ever punished

However do you want to start a blow by blow comparison with this current government and its Chagouri department? I think not.

i see Chagouri as a fixer who will provide dirty work services to every government. maybe if gej had engaged him to buy weapons we would not have had that national embarrassment of 15 million usd seized on a plane in south africa.

I dont think he will contest. But to be sincere, the disastrous leadership provided since 2015 puts the man in good standing as a tremendously better leader (not better politician though) than anything offered since then - on every count - including the security issues for which he was most condemned.

i also think that gej and his handlers cynically allowed boko haram to grow because it served them politically

source of unchallenged funding requests
avenue to delay election
tool to use to whip the opposition claiming they were bh supporters. then everyone who had issues with gej was branded as a boko haram supporter on social media

GloriousGbola:
imho GEJ was lucky he lost as a lot of the issues we are facing today were already coming

life and business is in cycles and the downward cycle was starting as GEJ exited



GEJ was not a mild mannered democrat - that is rosy eyed revisionism - he used the military to run the ekiti election,
the military were also stationed outside bourdillon
we saw how orubebe tried to scatter the vote count
we saw how the NSA into an election cash cow disbursing money to anyone and everyone
we saw how they delayed the election to kill APC's momentum they correctly surmised that APC would run out of money. lets just say i witnessed some fundraising for the last two weeks
then we had people like hamza al mustpha who should have remained in the dustbin of history released for reasons best know to gej



with respect to subsidy -
there is a graph that shows that subsidy ballooned under gej's watch - i think 200 to 300%
i was in the industry and there were hard rules for subsidy eligibility - you must have a depot ,you must have 500 stations nationwide. what happened was that under gej's admin subsidy became a free for all with every tom dick and harry with no assets being awarded contracts and bring paid for nothing

this led to the subsidy growing out of control. unfortunately we don't have detailed online record because ta the time, the president of MOMAN wrote an open letter on newspapers complaining about the proliferation fol briefcase companies with no actual footprint being awarded subsidy grants and being paid for supplying nothing.

when it all blew up rather than prosecute the beneficiaries of the false subsidy payments - gej opted to punish Nigerians by removing subsidy on january one with no prior announcement.
i was on nl when it happened as it was announced on an FP thread. i immediately went out and filled my containers before the news spread. GEJ scored an own goal by cancelling subsidy without telling anyone before hand in the middle of a national holiday ;leaving travelling Nigerians stranded. he destroyed his goodwill and gave the opposition an opening.

and in the aftermath no one was punished during his tenure for inflated subsidy claims . we had a so called national assembly investigation that was nothing more than a shakedown with farouk lawan collecting dollars from otedola. and farouk did not see jail for 10 years after this.



of course Nigerians will rate GEJ over PMB or BAT. GEJ started borrowing to pay salaries at the end of his term. if he had won the election, the chickens would all have come home to roost. the man never made any hard decisions during his presidency - in his own words he came to create wealth - which he did be squandering the ECA. the average nigerian has a short memory and the average nigerian/citizen is interested in the immediate economy, not the future economy.

we had multiple scandals in gejs admin from stella odua to diezani to the job test stampede - and no one was ever punished

i see Chagouri as a fixer who will provide dirty work services to every government. maybe if gej had engaged him to buy weapons we would not have had that national embarrassment of 15 million usd on a plane in south africa.



i also think that gej and his handlers cynically allowed boko haram to grow because it served them politically

source of unchallenged funding requests
avenue to delay election
tool to use to whip the opposition claiming they were bh supporters. then everyone who had issues with gej was branded as a boko haram supporter on social media

Just simple questions - Why then did BAT oppose subsidy removal, and why have neither BAT nor PMB prosecuted any subsidy scammers in 11 years now?

I trust you are aware that -

1. Subsidy which was a total of about N300 Billion under Goodluck ballooned to about 7 Trillion under PMB.

2. Goodluck did not do a total but a partial removal of subsidy unlike BAT did

3. BAT's total removal of subsidy was a first of its kind in the world and no where else had petrol prices jumped by 200 per cent in a single day prior to that. That is irresponsible of ANY government and when you add the floating of the naira barely three weeks later, that was sheer madness and of course the economy tanked.

BAT is called courageous for doing that and I dont buy it. Courage is not pressing your jackboot on the necks of the poor, courage is tackling the corrupt powerful.

And I am surprised at your take on CHAGOURI. That man's history with misappropriation of finances at an international scale is well documented. Aside from the fact that BAT awarded him a N15 Trillion contract without any competitive tender and without any NASS appropriation. No single transaction in Nigeria's history comes close corruption-wise. And while at that can you tell us the logic behind appointing Abacha's bag man, Atiku Bagudu who refunded billions of stolen funds as Minister for Budget and Planning?

I am also surprised you mention GEJ using the military. Brother, do you want to compare it to the fiascos of EndSARS and EndBADGovernance protests? GEJ never turned the military against the people the way APC has. Let us not even start with brazen abuses of the constitution such as the illegal state of emergency in Rivers State.

And oh - despite removing the subsidies, how come BAT's government is setting a record with borrwing?

cc: WizardofNG.

They really don't understand how this politics works. Jonathan coming on board is a favor to PBAT. It will reduce Obi's vote in his strong hold of the South south. This is what Timubu wants, if he can't get South South, let it be splited.

Counterigbolies:
u don't even understand politics, if Jonathan is contesting tinubu will b d happiest cos obi is already out of the equation n Jonathan might even b persuaded to step down

Many of u don't even understand how things works

DeepSight:
Just simple questions - Why then did BAT oppose subsidy removal, and why have neither BAT nor PMB prosecuted any subsidy scammers in 11 years now?

I trust you are aware that -

1. Subsidy which was a total of about N300 Billion under Goodluck ballooned to about 7 Trillion under PMB.

2. Goodluck did not do a total but a partial removal of subsidy unlike BAT did

chart is below

you can google any subsidy chart and you will see that gej had the highest figures

i am sure you are aware that during the buhari years, NNPC was importing PMS. so you have a case of a government organization reporting whatever they say they imported - effectively regulating themselves as they are all part of the govt. the subsidy was an obvious failure , but we should have continued running it

BAT is called courageous for doing that and I dont buy it. Courage is not pressing your jackboot on the necks of the poor, courage is tackling the corrupt powerful.

who is the corrupt powerful here ? BAT has exited the top management of NNPC who oversaw , which is another reason for northern cries of marginalization. ending the subsidy was the only option.

3. BAT's total removal of subsidy was a first of its kind in the world and no where else had petrol prices jumped by 200 per cent in a single day prior to that. That is irresponsible of ANY government and when you add the floating of the naira barely three weeks later, that was sheer madness and of course the economy tanked.

i regularly used to listen to different analysts while driving to work in the morning - and they had all said the same thing for years- subsidy has to go, multiple dollar rates have to go. we cant keep kicking the can down the road. buhari tried that and made nigeria into an economic basket case. all those running for election said they would kill subsidy when on the campaign trail. subsidy had become stage 3 cancer and if you want to belive thee is a painless way to excise it....

And I am surprised at your take on CHAGOURI. That man's history with misappropriation of finances at an international scale is well documented. Aside from the fact that BAT awarded him a N15 Trillion contract without any competitive tender and without any NASS appropriation. No single transaction in Nigeria's history comes close corruption-wise. And while at that can you tell us the logic behind appointing Abacha's bag man, Atiku Bagudu who refunded billions of stolen funds as Minister for Budget and Planning?

every administration has its hated and dodgy individuals who serve a purpose for them. for GEj it was diezani - for tinubu it is Chagouri.
if peter obi enters today - he will have his own black bag guy. i am sure you dont buy into his sainthood claims

as an aside you know that it was GEJ that elevated Wike who was a local govt chairman before this.

I am also surprised you mention GEJ using the military. Brother, do you want to compare it to the fiascos of EndSARS and EndBADGovernance protests? GEJ never turned the military against the people the way APC has. Let us not even start with brazen abuses of the constitution such as the illegal state of emergency in Rivers State.

but GEJ did use the military, did he not? so what is the difference ?

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GloriousGbola:
chart is below

you can google any subsidy chart and you will see that gej had the highest figures

i am sure you are aware that during the buhari years, NNPC was importing PMS. so you have a case of a government organization reporting whatever they say they imported - effectively regulating themselves as they are all part of the govt. the subsidy was an obvious failure , but we should have continued running it




who is the corrupt powerful here ? BAT has exited the top management of NNPC who oversaw , which is another reason for northern cries of marginalization. ending the subsidy was the only option.



i regularly used to listen to different analysts while driving to work in the morning - and they had all said the same thing for years- subsidy has to go, multiple dollar rates have to go. we cant keep kicking the can down the road. buhari tried that and made nigeria into an economic basket case. all those running for election said they would kill subsidy when on the campaign trail. subsidy had become stage 3 cancer and if you want to belive thee is a painless way to excise it....



every administration has its hated and dodgy individuals who serve a purpose for them. for GEj it was diezani - for tinubu it is Chagouri.
if peter obi enters today - he will have his own black bag guy. i am sure you dont buy into his sainthood claims

as an aside you know that it was GEJ that elevated Wike who was a local govt chairman before this.





but GEJ did use the military, did he not? so what is the difference ?

Anyway, I have said my bit, but at least you can tell us why BAT vociferously opposed subsidy removal only to do a total one? Political guile right? Anyway I give him politics.

And no, Chagoury is unacceptable. You cannot mention scandals of GEJ only to soft pedal for BAT by saying well, they all have their bad guys. You have to be consistent. And what's it with Atiku Bagudu. How can anyone openly appoint him ? ? ?

No, GEJ did not noticeably use the military against the people as APC has.

Also how come BAT is out borrowing previous governments despite removing subsidies?

About NNPC, we all know how horribly corrupt Ojulari is already. Don't you?

Counterigbolies:
u don't even understand politics, if Jonathan is contesting tinubu will b d happiest cos obi is already out of the equation n Jonathan might even b persuaded to step down

Many of u don't even understand how things works

I have seen plenty yeye comments. This one worst.

Image123:
Obi go don dey wet him pants with this kain statement. E go still move go Birthday Party (BP) as e no like problem aka primaries.

You mean the one ne causing you all nightmares 🤣

The mole to distabilise the south

This one just wan come disgrace himself
Instead to enjoy him honour quietly
He still wan scatter the little honour wey remain

Jonathan enter house please.

Baba, no waste your pension

Refinedbeing:
GEJ/OBi will only get to share traditional PDP states in the South. PBAT will still win his SW. The only big difference between Obi and GEJ is that GEJ will have more vote in the core north and that might give PBAT some lil issue

Jonathan will win Tinubu in SW
...TInubu is not popular anywhere except through rigging

Refinedbeing:
The game is the game. GEJ should actually try to clinch the NDC ticket. Everything is in his favor. Better than that other clown 🤡

The other clown 🤡 u mentioned is actually a true loyalist to GEJ. He even consulted GEJ b4 joining NDC. GEJ and the so called clown 🤡 wine and dine together. Refine your hate mentality

If Jonathan contest, tinubu would definitely lose. Obi and the rest too would lose. Tinubu can only win if Jonathan doesn't get votes from the north which is impossible. He would get a large number of votes from all over north. Infact, he might embarrass tinubu