₦airaland Forum

raumdeuter:
Who is the drug lord and which court has convicted him

raumdeuter:
Organic is actually not organic. E be like those wey go believe they are buying non GMO banana for a higher price

Ellexy:
Ramdeuter, this is the first time I've seen the Republicans go on the offensive and actually winning. This Trump's presidency is very consequential in no small way.

raumdeuter:
I actually like Seyis candidate, He was an APC guy till last December. Na Accountant from OAU as well like Zach and Adelabu

raumdeuter:
If both Funsho and GRV get governorship ticket then it will even be easier for Hamzat

GloriousGbola:
Needs additional can be used as vote inducement

You will note the bread is sold in Benin

Ellexy:
Ramdeuter, this is the first time I've seen the Republicans go on the offensive and actually winning. This Trump's presidency is very consequential in no small way.

OasisX:
......he is solid. To be honest, most of APC candidates ain't it. Sarafa doesn't seem a leader that can manage even a local government. Pẹnkẹlẹ?! Ain't gonna advise Oyo to vote for him - man too dey arrogant.
Beulah is only wasting his time with the PDP. Ọyọ N Pe ẹ thinks governance is like kọkọrọ alatẹ. Make una advise Oriyọmi to stick with his Agidigbo fm.

OasisX:

......if dem like, make dem collabo, KOH would be declared winner before 12:00pm. He gets the approval of GAC coz the system needs a conservative to set things right.

TemporaryHansel:
Nigerians will wail against xenophobia and racism and still practice tribalism.

Can anybody tell me what is the difference between tribalism and Xenophobia or racism?

If you ask me, tribalism is even worst because it's literally your own fellow country person you're discriminating against.

raumdeuter:
Beyond the governorship, APC needs to put eye in every election from HOA to HOR, we dont want another top to bottom Ellu Pee

One thing I am glad for about the 2023 elections is that it woke up a lot of sleeping SW youths, they are now buying into the conservative agenda for their states

Every candidate now in Oyo would be screened in details where is his background and ancestry, where is his allegiance and who did he marry, What does he think about Yoruba language and culture, Does he speak and think in Yoruba

All these are important. One of the screening committee for APC that I spoke to when they were having their meeting at Golden Tulip hotel, I told him every candidate will show his Oyo bona fides, his family compound, even his Oriki sef, we want to know. To weed out those who dont think in Yoruba
I guess thats why Seyi dropped Adebo. We can accept a Demola Adeleke not a GRV
By the way, What is happening in Osun in August.

Spy360:
Are you experiencing memory loss?
I hear say your friend Airmark don go disband Obidients movement and expelled Peter Obi 😂
I didn't know he was Obidient until today 😂

izzou:
GEJ may most likely indicate interest

I have not seen Atiku boys tutoring him on the benefit of queuing behind Wazirin oh.

MorataFC:
Is it not Jonathan’s actions that put us in the mess we have found ourselves in today? (by conceding defeat)
Though he stands out as one of the few leaders who still displays genuine human feeling and compassion, he was simply too soft for the kind of ruthless political environment he faced.

The reality is that leadership at that level requires firmness, tough decision-making, and the willingness to step on toes when necessary. From what we observed during his administration, he often appeared overly accommodating, too soft to take a bold decision, e.g. calling your opponent and congratulating him even before election was announced, Who does dat? Wetin he dey smoke?

(2)He over pampered the northerners with their excesses, perhaps believing it would earn him their support during the election, toorr. 😂
Though he still remains better than all the presidential aspirants we have paraded today in the opposition party.

At this stage, it would be best for him to remain in retirement to enjoy his. Life. He has played his part and should just go away from the pressures of public office, he does have shock absorber at all.

Personally, I still like him and acknowledge his humanity, even though he disappointed me big time in 2015 when he conceded that defeat. I’ve forgiven him, the wound may have healed, but the memory remains.

He’s still my man any day, any time. However, he should quit politics for now.

P.S. If he hadn’t conceded defeat, nothing would have happened. Would Buhari have conceded defeat in that same situation if it was him?

BlueRayDick:
How can you say if he hadn't conceded defeat nothing would've happened?

Ha! 😲😲😲

Na wetin you know, you know ó.

I was in the north during this period and I can boldly tell you that the nation would've gone up in flames had Jonathan done anything other than concede victory that march 2015.

Election took place on Saturday, On Sunday while collation was ongoing everywhere was tense. Till Monday evening, most non-northerners in the area I was then were careful not to move anyhow. Nobody wants to be caught napping when the final results are announced or if the president takes a decision/makes an announcement that can jeopardize one's life.There was tension everywhere, people glued to their TV and radios with different speculations being hushed in silent tones. Big apprehension everywhere.

To make matters worse, we were called by the returning officer of our LGA to come and re-arrange some of the electoral materials we used Saturday. We travelled down to the INEC office there in the morning, did what we were asked to do all through the afternoon and set out to return to base in the evening.

It was while we were like 20 minutes away to our residence on the way we heard Jonathan had already called Buhari. Come and see northerners celebrating with tension that was hanging in the air giving way for celebration. We literally saw people traveling in trailers, buses and cars come down to dance and celebrate on the express.

All of us heaved a sigh of relief at that moment because the uncertainty that hung everywhere had just cleared. There was every indication that things would've turned upside down if Jonathan had done any other thing than conceding defeat in that election.

I am sure you are aware there has been revelations from some northern APC guys that they brought in some fulani guys from other African countries who were going to fight till their last breath if Buhari had not been declared winner despite official results showing he's clearly leading.(Some say that's the origin of the Fulani herdsmen menace that has snowballed into kidnapping and terrorism). I don't even think they were willing to go for run-off elections had their been a close call between Jonathan and Buhari when final results are announced.


Jonathan may be a weak man for how he run his government, pampered northerners in his government, appointed a fairly independent minded northerner as INEC chairman (Unlike Tinubu who appointed Amupitan a Yoruba person who has been exposed to be pro-Tinubu/pro-APC), etc..... But Jonathan is not a weak man for conceding defeat to Buhari......

I am not really a fan of Jonathan, but I think you are only talking based on hindsight. Jonathan was the GCFR who must have had access to top intelligence report about possible breakdown of law and order from DSS and other intelligence sources. I will say he acted in the interest of peace and he shouldn't be chastised for that.

Let's also not forget pressure that will come from foreign powers had Jonathan decided not to concede result of the election. I don't think countries like the UK and US would fold their hands and allow him get away with him. Remember it wasn't like he enjoyed massive support from them in the first place (US government in particular). Let's not forget what happened in Ivory Coast when Laurent Gbagbo refused to concede an election.

iamoyindamola:
Don't mind them
Some of us are already imagine the horror if GEJ didn't surrender, I think UN awarded him one peace award or something
Everyone knows what will happen if he didn't accept, there was a leak PMB was very angry losing to a bloody civilian the first time when they went to beg him for the killings to stop
Innocent corps members were victims, that man can never RIP

izzou:
MorataFC

I agree with you for most part, except "Nothing would have happened if he didn't concede defeat"

Omoh.....How peaceful do you think Nigeria would have been by then?

BlueRayDick:
How can you say if he hadn't conceded defeat nothing would've happened?

Ha! 😲😲😲

Na wetin you know, you know ó.

I was in the north during this period and I can boldly tell you that the nation would've gone up in flames had Jonathan done anything other than concede victory that march 2015.

Election took place on Saturday, On Sunday while collation was ongoing everywhere was tense. Till Monday evening, most non-northerners in the area I was then were careful not to move anyhow. Nobody wants to be caught napping when the final results are announced or if the president takes a decision/makes an announcement that can jeopardize one's life.There was tension everywhere, people glued to their TV and radios with different speculations being hushed in silent tones. Big apprehension everywhere.

To make matters worse, we were called by the returning officer of our LGA to come and re-arrange some of the electoral materials we used Saturday. We travelled down to the INEC office there in the morning, did what we were asked to do all through the afternoon and set out to return to base in the evening.

It was while we were like 20 minutes away to our residence on the way we heard Jonathan had already called Buhari. Come and see northerners celebrating with tension that was hanging in the air giving way for celebration. We literally saw people traveling in trailers, buses and cars come down to dance and celebrate on the express.

All of us heaved a sigh of relief at that moment because the uncertainty that hung everywhere had just cleared. There was every indication that things would've turned upside down if Jonathan had done any other thing than conceding defeat in that election.

I am sure you are aware there has been revelations from some northern APC guys that they brought in some fulani guys from other African countries who were going to fight till their last breath if Buhari had not been declared winner despite official results showing he's clearly leading.(Some say that's the origin of the Fulani herdsmen menace that has snowballed into kidnapping and terrorism). I don't even think they were willing to go for run-off elections had their been a close call between Jonathan and Buhari when final results are announced.


Jonathan may be a weak man for how he run his government, pampered northerners in his government, appointed a fairly independent minded northerner as INEC chairman (Unlike Tinubu who appointed Amupitan a Yoruba person who has been exposed to be pro-Tinubu/pro-APC), etc..... But Jonathan is not a weak man for conceding defeat to Buhari......

I am not really a fan of Jonathan, but I think you are only talking based on hindsight. Jonathan was the GCFR who must have had access to top intelligence report about possible breakdown of law and order from DSS and other intelligence sources. I will say he acted in the interest of peace and he shouldn't be chastised for that.

Let's also not forget pressure that will come from foreign powers had Jonathan decided not to concede result of the election. I don't think countries like the UK and US would fold their hands and allow him get away with him. Remember it wasn't like he enjoyed massive support from them in the first place (US government in particular). Let's not forget what happened in Ivory Coast when Laurent Gbagbo refused to concede an election.

izzou:
MorataFC

I agree with you for most part, except "Nothing would have happened if he didn't concede defeat"

Omoh.....How peaceful do you think Nigeria would have been by then?

afrodoc:
It is even wild to say a president should not concede defeat in an election that he lost. Will this advice hold only for presidents he likes or presidents in general?

An election in which Buhari said the dog and the baboon will be soaked in blood if he was rigged out.

TemporaryHansel:
In my opinion, if every state in this country was like Lagos, the country would be better.
Lagos might be a shithole if compared to other global cities, but it is like 100years ahead of every other state in Nigeria.

BlueRayDick:
There's no way every state can be like Lagos. Why? Because the strategic advantage Lagos had over the years, most states don't have it.

Forget all those political lamba about one person building Lagos. Lagos had a whole lot of strategic advantage that dates back to the 60's.

Jakande built low cost housing estate as governor as far back as early 80's. Federal government built FESTAC as far back as the mid to late 70's.
How many states could boast of that kind of development those same period?

The truth is other states will only play catch up. What one can only pray and hope for is that other states shouldn't be so far behind as tbey are currently.

MorataFC:
I actually agree with you to an extent, and that’s exactly the “weakness” I was referring to. They saw that soft nature in him and took advantage of it politically.

The question is simple, would Buhari concede that easily if the tables were turned? Would Jagaban do the same today? We have already seen Tinubu appoint an INEC chairman many people believe tjat he will dances to his tune, but Jonathan reportedly consulted Buhari before appointing Jega and even allowed Buhari’s input in the process. Who does that? That level of openness may make you a good man, but politics at that level is not built on goodwill alone. How can you be digging your own grave just because you want people to see you as a good man?

No doubt, Jonathan was a decent and humane leader, same with Yar’Adua. In terms of personal chsracter and compassion, both stand above many of the people we parade today. But Jonathan was simply too soft for the ruthless political terrain he found himself in.

In fact, looking at the confusion and division in the opposition parties today between ADC, NDC, and the rest, if this was during Jonathan’s era, I’m very sure they would have made him chairman of the peace and reconciliation committee by now. 😂 The man naturally wanted everybody to be happy, even his opponents. He also did not want the blood of the people he governed on his hands, which is why he conceded defeat peacefully, and the opposition saw that side of him, they saw the loopholes and used them against him. But would they try that with Buhari, Obasanjo, or Tinubu?

And honestly, that same softness is part of why many people believe certain powerful northern political interests became too comfortable during his tenure, knowing fully well that the man was too lenient and he will do nothinh and yes he did nothing. And let me tell the plain truth, that was the reason he lost the election before it even started.

Some people also argue that questionable elements and dangerous actors found their way into the country because they knew Jonathan was unlikely to respond with the kind of hardline approach other leaders might have used. Whether people agree or not, that perception of him being “too soft” definitely followed him throughout his presidency. So, to many people like me, it was that same softness and weakness that allowed all these elements to operate freely.

And that was both his greatest strength and his greatest weakness.

Even so, history will still remember him as one of the few Nigerian leaders who placed peace above personal ambition.

I like him, and I think he should enjoy his peace in peace.

Cc izzou

BlueRayDick:
There's no way every state can be like Lagos. Why? Because the strategic advantage Lagos had over the years, most states don't have it.

Forget all those political lamba about one person building Lagos. Lagos had a whole lot of strategic advantage that dates back to the 60's.

Jakande built low cost housing estate as governor as far back as early 80's. Federal government built FESTAC as far back as the mid to late 70's.
How many states could boast of that kind of development those same period?

The truth is other states will only play catch up. What one can only pray and hope for is that other states shouldn't be so far behind as tbey are currently.

TemporaryHansel:
In my opinion, if every state in this country was like Lagos, the country would be better.
Lagos might be a shithole if compared to other global cities, but it is like 100years ahead of every other state in Nigeria.