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coputa:
Good write up, God has already built systems since creation, humans are created to fit into it, for example, plants has seeds that can be planted, you don't need God to plant it for you, a male and a female have to meet to get an offspring.

God has already created a perfect working system on earth that it's inhabitants jus have to recognize and key into.

We have nations, and families that has recognized this facts and has been exploiting them for centuries and have handed them over from generations to generations.

Hence, you see a differences among nations and families in the world.

Let me stop here......

Excuse me.. what Op wrote up there is more deeper than what your explain about structure.

If what you wrote is true, then why is it that when you plant a seed to the ground, not all will germinate.

And talking about humans mating , then why do we have barren couples among us despite that both of them are fertile and healthy.

Life is more deeper than what you can see on the surface.

God never created anyone poor but the circumstances of ur birth and the family where someone is born into is no doubt a major factor of what u will eventually become in life.

MaxInDHouse:
I have seen something further under the sun, that the swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle, nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all. For man does not know his time. Ecclesiastes 9:11-12a

God never created anyone to be rich or poor rather it's time and unexpected events that's affecting us all because no one knows the right time to strike so when someone strikes and hit the target don't think God destined him to be rich and when someone misses his target don't say God is against him!🙂

What about people with foresights that created their own future by investing massively in lucrative businesses that later pays back great returns?

some people are starting from what someone else call ACHIEVEMENT, the odd to achieve something for some people isnt even possible, and some people starting point cant be acheived by 100 generation of some people, life isnt fair where you starting from has a big impact. but that doesnt mean someone coming from nothing cant be great. everything is in our head, "quality thought = quality life".

if you dont want to end up like people in where you coming then you must act different. it takes time but with God and effort its achieveable. one of the reason i dont downplay education. education can take your places.

coputa:
Good write up, God has already built systems since creation, humans are created to fit into it, for example, plants has seeds that can be planted, you don't need God to plant it for you, a male and a female have to meet to get an offspring.

God has already created a perfect working system on earth that it's inhabitants jus have to recognize and key into.

We have nations, and families that has recognized this facts and has been exploiting them for centuries and have handed them over from generations to generations.

Hence, you see a differences among nations and families in the world.

Let me stop here......

What about luck?

Dpsychologist:
You said it well. The background shouldn't be an excuse.

Background matters bro

Dpsychologist:
I’ve been thinking about something that gets said a lot, especially in conversations around money, struggle, and success in Nigeria.

You often hear people say:

“God created some people to never lack.”

It sounds comforting, especially when life is hard. It gives a simple explanation for why things are unequal. But the more you look at real life closely, the more that explanation starts to fall apart.

Because when you look around in places like Nigeria, the differences we see between people are very clear. Some people are born into stability, good education, and access. Others are born into environments where just surviving is already a struggle.

Now the question is, did God deliberately assign all of that at birth?

Or is something else going on?

If we are being honest, a big part of what shapes people’s outcomes is not just divine assignment, but also foundation.

Some people are simply starting from a place where someone before them already laid something down. Maybe it’s land. Maybe it’s education. Maybe it’s a business. Maybe it’s just connections built over time and that advantage did not appear randomly. It was built by effort, decisions, and sometimes sacrifice from earlier generations.

On the other hand, there are people who are also working hard, but they are starting from weaker foundations. Fewer opportunities, less structure, challenging environment and sometimes systems that are already stacked against them. So even if the effort is there, the outcome is slower or harder to see.

In moments like that, people often shift to spiritual explanations. Things like curses, attacks, my village people or “it’s just my destiny.”
This happens especially when someone is trying repeatedly and still not seeing results, it becomes easier to believe there is something beyond the physical blocking them.

But here is where I think we need to be careful.

If we believe in a loving God and that he is faithful and just, then the idea that He deliberately created some people to permanently suffer while others automatically succeed becomes difficult to reconcile. It raises questions that don’t have easy answers.

What makes more sense when we look at reality is that outcomes are shaped more by systems, environment, access, and decisions over time, rather than fixed divine favoritism.

In Nigeria specifically, this is even more obvious because opportunity is not evenly distributed. Where you are born, who you know, and what you are exposed to often has a huge impact on where you end up.

This does not mean prayer or faith is not important and it also does not mean effort does not matter. It just means we should be careful about replacing real-world causes with simple spiritual explanations that stop us from thinking deeper and working towards success.

Because once someone believes “this is just how God made it,” they stop asking questions, stop building, and stop looking for solutions.

But when you start to see that a lot of what we call destiny is actually shaped by structure and choices, your mindset changes. You start focusing more on what can be built, improved, or changed.

At the end of the day, what we are seeing is not random assignment. It is layered outcomes built over time and understanding that changes how you see life, responsibility, and even opportunity.

Happy Sunday Nairalanders. May be love of God be with you all.

God may be perfect, but natural things aren't perfect! That's why we are here - to make God's creation better. God created us in His image and likeness. That means we are co-creators.

That's why when I see people beg God to do for them what He has given us the power to do for ourselves, I just shake my head. They just don't understand the place of God in their lives.

UgoFly:
This is an important question.

You look at your life and the life of your age mates in other climes or from wealthy background and you ask yourself "why me?"

But then again this life is not summed up in the totality of what you can gather but the level of your impact. You can have huge impact on people without financial stability or wealth. So no matter where you find yourself in life, live as God's tool/vessel for mankind. This is the essence of life.

What you are seeing in your mates in "other climes" is an illusion.

A life of debt

See people making assumptions for God. The truth is everyone will have knowledge of God based on its religion.

Chinese God is currently the most prosperous and Industralised God. People keep making assumptions and lot of explanations for Nigeria God 😁😁

SmartPolician:
God may be perfect, but natural things aren't perfect! That's why we are here - to make God's creation better. God created us in His image and likeness. That means we are co-creators.

That's why when I see people beg God to do for them what He has given us the power to do for ourselves, I just shake my head. They just don't understand the place of God in their lives.

I like how you put this.

Civilization does.

Nature is constant.

Civilization determines what is rich and what is poor.

Different resources are present at different locations on the globe. But the use, access, perspectives and value placed on those makes the difference.

Zumarocket:
You are saying this becos you were not born in the slum.

I think you are misreading my comment.

Zumarocket:
You are saying this becos you were not born in the slum.

I was asking one young guy yesterday why he preferred to do minial jobs rather than go to school, and the boy told me his parents were too poor to send him to the university.

This really brought me back to reality that there are people who are too poor to give their children basic education. The fact that people in your cycle are living an averagely good live doesn't mean there are no extremely poor people around.

What of Dangote that was created to be the richest man in Nigeria permanently

Mrexcell:
What about people with foresights that created their own future by investing massively in lucrative businesses that later pays back great returns?

90% of them lost all their investments and continued struggling while many due to their loss couldn't bear it so they either committed suicide, grieved to the point of loosing their sanity or died of heart attack.

So it's just a few out of millions who made it that we are seeing today. Ecclesiastes 9:11-12

MaxInDHouse:
90% of them lost all their investments and continued struggling while many due to their loss couldn't bear it so they either committed suicide, grieved to the point of loosing their sanity or died of heart attack.

So it's just a few out of millions who made it that we are seeing today. Ecclesiastes 9:11-12

I dont think ur figure is actually accurate we have seen countless people make enormous money from their investments in stocks and real estates after so many years.

"when you start to see that a lot of what we call destiny is actually shaped by structure and choices, your mindset changes. You start focusing more on what can be built, improved, or changed."

ignorant religious people call it grace, i call it a mixture of book smart, street smart, curiosity, and being genuine.

I'm one of those lucky people in life who seem to get what they want effortlessly.

My brother if you don't have godfather and godmother you better get up and hustle. From that hustle things usually turn around especially if one make very good use of those rare opportunities or platforms provided on a platter.

This talk is for privileged people
People with diamond spoon.

Ifexibe:
"when you start to see that a lot of what we call destiny is actually shaped by structure and choices, your mindset changes. You start focusing more on what can be built, improved, or changed."

Some call it grace, i call it a mixture of book smart, street smart, curiosity, and being genuine.

I'm one of those lucky people in life who seem to get what they want effortlessly.

That's what happens when preparation, opportunity and luck jam.

Mrexcell:
I dont think ur figure is actually accurate we have seen countless people make enormous money from their investments in stocks and real estates after so many years.

How many are investing and how many are making it through stocks?

You are only seeing survivors while a lot of investors lost and died in silence!😟

VeeVeeMyLuv:
That's what happens when preparation, opportunity and luck jam.

If you say so, i was born prepared for the shit i do, i barely sleep just to make sure i achieve my aspirations. I self developed myself through pain, regret, sweat, trial, error. So anybody calling it luck or privilege, is just envious. Although i must admit i was born into a middle class (somewhat priviliged family). But i can never neglect or downplay my own efforts.

Dpsychologist:
I’ve been thinking about something that gets said a lot, especially in conversations around money, struggle, and success in Nigeria.

You often hear people say:

“God created some people to never lack.”

It sounds comforting, especially when life is hard. It gives a simple explanation for why things are unequal. But the more you look at real life closely, the more that explanation starts to fall apart.

Because when you look around in places like Nigeria, the differences we see between people are very clear. Some people are born into stability, good education, and access. Others are born into environments where just surviving is already a struggle.

Now the question is, did God deliberately assign all of that at birth?

Or is something else going on?

If we are being honest, a big part of what shapes people’s outcomes is not just divine assignment, but also foundation.

Some people are simply starting from a place where someone before them already laid something down. Maybe it’s land. Maybe it’s education. Maybe it’s a business. Maybe it’s just connections built over time and that advantage did not appear randomly. It was built by effort, decisions, and sometimes sacrifice from earlier generations.

On the other hand, there are people who are also working hard, but they are starting from weaker foundations. Fewer opportunities, less structure, challenging environment and sometimes systems that are already stacked against them. So even if the effort is there, the outcome is slower or harder to see.

In moments like that, people often shift to spiritual explanations. Things like curses, attacks, my village people or “it’s just my destiny.”
This happens especially when someone is trying repeatedly and still not seeing results, it becomes easier to believe there is something beyond the physical blocking them.

But here is where I think we need to be careful.

If we believe in a loving God and that he is faithful and just, then the idea that He deliberately created some people to permanently suffer while others automatically succeed becomes difficult to reconcile. It raises questions that don’t have easy answers.

What makes more sense when we look at reality is that outcomes are shaped more by systems, environment, access, and decisions over time, rather than fixed divine favoritism.

In Nigeria specifically, this is even more obvious because opportunity is not evenly distributed. Where you are born, who you know, and what you are exposed to often has a huge impact on where you end up.

This does not mean prayer or faith is not important and it also does not mean effort does not matter. It just means we should be careful about replacing real-world causes with simple spiritual explanations that stop us from thinking deeper and working towards success.

Because once someone believes “this is just how God made it,” they stop asking questions, stop building, and stop looking for solutions.

But when you start to see that a lot of what we call destiny is actually shaped by structure and choices, your mindset changes. You start focusing more on what can be built, improved, or changed.

At the end of the day, what we are seeing is not random assignment. It is layered outcomes built over time and understanding that changes how you see life, responsibility, and even opportunity.

Happy Sunday Nairalanders. May be love of God be with you all.

If God exist he would have been universal... No explanation every human born on earth would have know and acknowledge him... No body is born poor or rich the earthly policy made it so..... Just one example: especially in Nigeria some people go to church to pray to their God to help them pay their children school fees while in some countries you don't need to pay school fees, the schools are free.. now I ask does it require praying for... You see people in Nigeria fasting and praying that their God should help them sell their goods... the goods that is not produced by people who worship or even no Jesus Christ... Many examples are their....

The question people should be asking theirself is "what is my purpose here on earth". Have knowledge of why and what you were meant to do here...that is the only business God has with you.
It isn't God's business whether you have material wealth or not.., but it is God's business that you have an exciting and fulfilled life,and you can only get that through "finding purpose"

SmartPolician:
Believe it or not, this life is a mystery. Na people wey never see things dey argue when pastors and men of God perform miracles. Everyone isn't the same - people have their unique gifts - some gifts are mysterious.

Growing up, we had a prophetess who happens to be a family friend visit my family. Our parents asked us to come out and greet her. We all marched and greeted her.

She looked at my big brother and said she could see greatness in him; she told my mother to protect him because he would be our family's pride. I think I was about 12 or so at the time. Several years later, my elder brother who lives in Nigeria is supper successful - even way richer than my siblings who live abroad and make USD.

When I reflect on that experience, I often wonder - if all our lives have been predestined - then what's the essence of hard work?

Here’s what I’ve come to realize:
Even if destiny exists, effort still matters. A prophecy may point to potential, but hard work is often the process that brings that potential to life. Confidence, discipline, opportunity, timing, resilience, and the way people treat us all shape outcomes.
A seed may be destined to become a tree, but it still needs water, soil, and time.
Hard work doesn’t guarantee success, but it increases the chances that when opportunity comes, you’re ready for it. We may not control every outcome in life, but we influence our direction, our growth, and who we become along the way.

iyke484real:
Here’s what I’ve come to realize:
Even if destiny exists, effort still matters. A prophecy may point to potential, but hard work is often the process that brings that potential to life. Confidence, discipline, opportunity, timing, resilience, and the way people treat us all shape outcomes.
A seed may be destined to become a tree, but it still needs water, soil, and time.
Hard work doesn’t guarantee success, but it increases the chances that when opportunity comes, you’re ready for it. We may not control every outcome in life, but we influence our direction, our growth, and who we become along the way.

This makes perfect sense; thank you for sharing it 🙏

Ifexibe:
If you say so, i was born prepared for the shit i do, i barely sleep just to make sure i achieve my aspirations. I self developed myself through pain, regret, sweat, trial, error. So anybody calling it luck or privilege, is just envious. Although i must admit i was born into a middle class (somewhat priviliged family). But i can never neglect or downplay my own efforts.

The hard work aspect is almost nearly. totally hidden from this current generation!
That's why they are just moving in darkness

I am glad you revealed that hardwork through sweat, tears, pain contributed to where you are today. 🙏🏽

That's what people fail to realize. Another aspect is the use of religion to mask or explain these things, maybe it's done to make people relax and totally rely on spirituality and not play their part at all.

Heck
Everything counts
The way one speaks, walks
One has to put in the works
It is non negotiable, it just can't be substituted

MaxInDHouse:
I have seen something further under the sun, that the swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle, nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all. For man does not know his time. Ecclesiastes 9:11-12a

God never created anyone to be rich or poor rather it's time and unexpected events that's affecting us all because no one knows the right time to strike so when someone strikes and hit the target don't think God destined him to be rich and when someone misses his target don't say God is against him!🙂

You just talked rubbish 😂😆😂😆😂

VeeVeeMyLuv:
The hard work aspect is almost nearly. totally hidden from this current generation!
That's why they are just moving in darkness

I am glad you revealed that hardwork through sweat, tears, pain contributed to where you are today. 🙏🏽

That's what people fail to realize. Another aspect is the use of religion to mask or explain these things, maybe it's done to make people relax and totally rely on spirituality and not play their part at all.

Heck
Everything counts
The way one speaks, walks
One has to put in the works
It is non negotiable, it just can't be substituted

On The aspect of religion, i used to be a well read atheist so i speak out of experience. Religion has its use in development and formation of the world order, anyone who says religion isn't useful is just being plain delusional else man would become a beast, however, we Africans have bastardized it and simply refuse to use our brains, it's annoying.

The hard work aspect is almost nearly. totally hidden from this current generation!
That's why they are just moving in darkness

It's a phase born out of ignorance and confusion, there are immutable natural laws that govern human existence, everyone will learn through pain and experience for sure, even if it takes a thousand lifetimes.

Delat521:
Thanks bro. You started in a very strong footing with that wise quote from King Solomon but your explanation thereafter defeat the very core essence the wise is passing.

God is the one that decided every matters either you will succeed or not, it is not by our power or swiftness etc. And to God both are the same, they are simply a test to see if you will act rightfully or not.

But you see, the wealth and richness we consider a lot was even more harmful to us than test of penury. That's why Jesus (as) said "it will be difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God for a camel to pass thru the eyes of a needle". Think that for a moment. When the reality of wealth is lay bare to your eyes and it potential of derailing or rubbing us of higher places in heaven, we will opt to remain on average.

All the beloveth of God on earth are his prophets none of them is rich or wealthy except just one king Solomon because wealth is nothing as we) ordinary ) take it.

In conclusion, being either in poverty and richness is not by own power or knowledge but pure grace from God especially richness, but this doesn't exclude us from striving o but we must know that everything is a test even after acquiring it. know for certain that its more difficult to pass the test of richness than poverty.

All in all everything is just a test, to see our resolve to devote to GOD either in any of those two dichotomy of events.

God is not the determinant whether you become rich or poor, successful or a failure. There is nowhere in the scruptures that supports what you said.

peleson1:
You just talked rubbish 😂😆😂😆😂

Thanks.
I have no business with you i'm here to respond to the OP and he has gotten my message:

Dpsychologist:
You are making sense.

SmartPolician:
Believe it or not, this life is a mystery. Na people wey never see things dey argue when pastors and men of God perform miracles. Everyone isn't the same - people have their unique gifts - some gifts are mysterious.

Growing up, we had a prophetess who happens to be a family friend visit my family. Our parents asked us to come out and greet her. We all marched and greeted her.

She looked at my big brother and said she could see greatness in him; she told my mother to protect him because he would be our family's pride. I think I was about 12 or so at the time. Several years later, my elder brother who lives in Nigeria is supper successful - even way richer than my siblings who live abroad and make USD.

Whenever I reflect on that experience, I often wonder - if all our lives have been predestined - then what's the essence of hard work?

Lol.....she has a gift and she was putting it into use nothing more....there are people that can even manage to read minds doesn't mean everything have been predestined.....hard work is very essential but luck is always needed in most things humans do that's why some people pray because they believe prayer brings luck and of course it could depending on other factors.

Sterope:
Dpsychologist

For Muslims, God has indeed said that He created people with disparities, and those who lack should not constantly fix their eyes on those who have more. Everyone will account with what they were given.

This means that wealth itself is a test and might be a curse, because people will be held accountable for how they earned it, spent it, and behaved with it. So in Islam, woeee to those who become arrogant or miserable despite these blessings.

Likewise, begging and unnecessary debt are frowned upon. People are encouraged to work hard even in hardship and to be careful when borrowing, since every debt must eventually be repaid. Islam therefore encourages living within one’s means. Borrowing is not forbidden, but it should be approached with caution and responsibility. Being poor or disadvantaged aren't necessarily seen as enough reasons.

Islam addresses social disparity by mandating an annual charity obligation called "zakat" on Muslims whose wealth exceeds a certain threshold. It is compulsory, and traditionally amounts to 2.5% of qualifying wealth each year. Quran has a list of people who are recipients, charity itself considered a means to purify wealth and oneself before God so it is a BIG deal.

We also believe that being poor should not stop us from praying to God for a better life, because even prayers that seem unanswered in this world are still answered in another way as blessings and mercy for us on the Day of Accountability. Therefore poverty is also a test on hope and patience.

U suppose tell dis to tinubu and all muslim scholars out dr eating d future of ur unborn islamic children…

fyneboi79:
God is a fallacy created to enslave your minds and gosh they did it!
Please stick to psychological matters where logic is explainable...

Can we pls talk more on dis psychological matters

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