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Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by Nelson21(m): 6:32pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
What if God predestined me to be where i am?😂
Thats fine. That means you are a vessel prepared for destruction. No wonder you prefer lies than truth. smiley
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:47pm On May 12
That's predestination nah so it's God's fault not mine since i can't change it!😂
Nelson21:
Thats fine. That means you are a vessel prepared for destruction. No wonder you prefer lies than truth.smiley
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by Nelson21(m): 6:49pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
That's predestination nah so it's God's fault not mine since i can't change it!😂
Good! Atleast you have learned something new today.

Predestination is real and you know what God has predestined you for. smiley
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:03pm On May 12
So when a thief comes to rob you and kill members of your family don't blame anyone rather blame God who PREDESTINED everything!😂
Nelson21:
Good! Atleast you have learned something new today. Predestination is real and you know what God has predestined you for.smiley
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by Nelson21(m): 7:05pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
So when a thief comes to rob you and kill members of your family don't blame anyone rather blame God who PREDESTINED everything!😂
Lol, Let me give you another scripture so that you will know God has predestined you to believe lies.

Proverbs 16:4
“The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.”

I have given you three scripture now, but you will never believe truth because you have been predestined to accept lies. smiley
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:09pm On May 12
God's fault!😂
Nelson21:
Lol, Let me give you another scripture so that you will know God has predestined you to believe lies.
Proverbs 16:4
“The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.”
I have given you three scripture now, but you will never believe truth because you have been predestined to accept lies. smiley
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by Nelson21(m): 7:11pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
God's fault!😂
You cannot debate the scriptures I am giving you. Thank God you are learning. smiley
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:13pm On May 12
When you've chosen to put the blame on God due to lack of wisdom how do you expect me to start arguing aimlessly with you?😂
Nelson21:
You cannot debate the scriptures I am giving you. Thank God you are learning. smiley
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by tctrills: 7:14pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
You are wrong because no JW will tell you that God predestined anyone to be destroyed Jesus knew one of his closest confidants will betray him that's what the scriptures say. John wrote what you are quoting 66 years after Jesus and JWs said Jesus could read hearts so by the time Judas has fully developed that bad trait Jesus has seen it not that he knew before choosing him.
Yes, the JW did not say God predestined anyone to be destroyed but they teach clearly that in John 6.70, Jesus Christ was referring to Judas.
You on the other hand do not agree with the mainstream JW belief so I guess you are in the other faction
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:15pm On May 12
Continue deceiving yourself joh!😂
tctrills:
Yes, the JW did not say God predestined anyone to be destroyed but they teach clearly that in John 6.70, Jesus Christ was referring to Judas.
You on the other hand do not agree with the mainstream JW belief so I guess you are in the other faction
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by tctrills: 7:17pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself joh!😂
Are you saying that I made up the quotes from JW because I didn't.
The internet has everything, nothing to hide.
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by Nelson21(m): 7:18pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
When you've chosen to put the blame on God due to lack of wisdom how do you expect me to start arguing aimlessly with you?😂
Little child go and ask God for mercy. smiley

Paul said in romans 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

Pray that God should have mercy on you rather than harden your heart to keep accepting only lies.

Go ahead and quote me while I ignore you. smiley grin
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:19pm On May 12
Reading online defer from attending our meetings to know the practical application of what is in our publication so if you're not with us you can't understand what we teach in our midst!🙂
tctrills:
Are you saying that I made up the quotes from JW because I didn't.
The internet has everything, nothing to hide.
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:21pm On May 12
Mercy that all those who has been predestined to be can't change shey?😂
Nelson21:
Little child go and ask God for mercy. smiley
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:24pm On May 12
Funny Churchians!

No wonder you people can't preach or teach adequately in your neighborhood like Jehovah's Witnesses do.

How can you quote the Bible to say God is the one programing evildoers yet you want to tell the programmed evildoer to change what God has predestined?😂
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by tctrills: 7:26pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
Reading online defer from attending our meetings to know the practical application of what is in our publication so if you're not with us you can't understand what we teach in our midst!🙂
You mean you teach 2 doctrines, the online and offline?
So you represent the offline fraction on nairaland.
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:27pm On May 12
Continue dribbling yourself!😂
tctrills:
You mean you teach 2 doctrines, the online and offline? So you represent the offline fraction on nairaland.
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by tctrills: 7:41pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
Continue dribbling yourself!😂
You are the one dribbling me. You claim that the teachings offline are different from the ones I am reading online. And, I know it is something you guys are capable of doing.
Person wey no fear Una no fit fear anything
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m):
Do Muslims read the Bible?
Do they quote it?

So how come they always misquote the Bible against the Bible?

Ọmọ our publications are known but whoever wants to understand how we apply what is written must attend our meetings that's why Paul said whoever doesn't attend our meetings is loosing out! Hebrews 10:24-25

What do you think is wrong if someone can't just read the scriptures and continue as a believers without attending meetings with Christians?🙂
tctrills:
You are the one dribbling me. You claim that the teachings offline are different from the ones I am reading online. And, I know it is something you guys are capable of doing.
Person wey no fear Una no fit fear anything
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by tctrills: 7:51pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
Do Muslims read the Bible?
Do they quote it?

So how come they always misquote the Bible against the Bible?

Ọmọ our publications are known but whoever wants to understand how we apply what is written must attend our meetings that's why Paul said whoever doesn't attend our meetings is loosing our! Hebrews 10:24-25

What do you think is wrong if someone can't just read the scriptures and continue as a believers without attending meetings with Christians?🙂
So your point is that I misquoted your publication?
Because I can actually do a copy and paste.
When Muslims misquote the bible, we are able to easily point it out and prove it to them. We don't tell them that unless they come to church, they we not understand online publications.
The reason we publish online is so that people would understand us better not the opposite. But Una group na opposite
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:05pm On May 12
tctrills:
We don't tell them that unless they come to church.
This is a lie because all churches do tell people to come and worship with them because their church is BIBLE BELIEVING whereas all churches claiming Christians use the Bible.

So stop deceiving yourself it's the same thing everywhere as long as you are not a member of a religion you can't understand what is being taught from afar:

So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted. For whoever has, more will be given him, and he will be made to abound; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it. And the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled in their case. It says: ‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see. For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them." Matthew 13:10-15

It's only those who comes back to Jesus that can understand the deep meaning of his message not all that listened to him. So it's still the same process!🙂
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by tctrills: 8:12pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
This is a lie because all churches do tell people to come and worship with them because their church is BIBLE BELIEVING whereas all churches claiming Christians use the Bible.

So stop deceiving yourself it's the same thing everywhere as long as you are not a member of a religion you can't understand what is being taught from afar:

So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted. For whoever has, more will be given him, and he will be made to abound; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it. And the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled in their case. It says: ‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see. For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them." Matthew 13:10-15

It's only those who comes back to Jesus that can understand the deep meaning of his message not all that listened to him. So it's still the same process!🙂
The summary of all you wrote is, you post online to confuse people hoping it would lead them to you offline.
What a strategy
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:25pm On May 12
Blame Jesus whose teachings is difficult for whoever refuses to see him as the best teacher. If you want to understand our teachings it's not just reading online you must be in our gathering to learn the practical application just as only those close to Jesus can explain his teachings because they always see him live by his teachings!🙂

tctrills:
The summary of all you wrote is, you post online to confuse people hoping it would lead them to you offline.
What a strategy
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by tctrills: 7:37am On May 13
MaxInDHouse:
Blame Jesus whose teachings is difficult for whoever refuses to see him as the best teacher. If you want to understand our teachings it's not just reading online you must be in our gathering to learn the practical application just as only those close to Jesus can explain his teachings because they always see him live by his teachings!🙂
Jesus Christ said, my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
But JW is saying, you can't understand our online message, we make our online message impossible to understand. You will only get the true message offline.
That's the opposite of Jesus Christ.
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:49am On May 13
You quote scriptures without knowing its practical application!😂

Jesus wasn't taking about understanding his message rather how easy the life of his disciples will be after getting the sense of his message and applying it. Isaiah 48:17-18🙂
tctrills:
Jesus Christ said, my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
But JW is saying, you can't understand our online message, we make our online message impossible to understand. You will only get the true message offline.
That's the opposite of Jesus Christ.
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MrEar(m): 8:18am On May 13
tctrills:
You are the one dribbling me. You claim that the teachings offline are different from the ones I am reading online. And, I know it is something you guys are capable of doing.
Person wey no fear Una no fit fear anything
cheesy

Take it easy on him. He is in a state of confusion.

And by the way he is not a jw. His own members have rejected him here. grin
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MrEar(m): 8:29am On May 13
Nelson21:
Thats fine. That means you are a vessel prepared for destruction. No wonder you prefer lies than truth. smiley
Kikikikiki grin

MaxInDHouse don't worry, the light , the lies get brighter.
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by Nelson21(m): 9:01am On May 13
MrEar:
Kikikikiki grin

MaxInDHouse don't worry, the light , the lies get brighter.
He is finding it difficult to believe that God has predestined his life to accept lies. grin

I don't blame him Sha. Peter was very correct.

1 Peter 2:8 – “They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by tctrills: 9:55am On May 13
MaxInDHouse:
You quote scriptures without knowing its practical application!😂

Jesus wasn't taking about understanding his message rather how easy the life of his disciples will be after getting the sense of his message and applying it. Isaiah 48:17-18🙂
He was actually speaking about His gospel. So again you are wrong.

Christ did not have 2 different messages, an online and an offline.

If what you teach offline is different from what you teach in your meetings, then you are a deceptive cult.

You deceive people to enter your meetings with one message and when they enter, you sell them your real message.
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by tctrills: 9:59am On May 13
MrEar:
cheesy

Take it easy on him. He is in a state of confusion.

And by the way he is not a jw. His own members have rejected him here. grin
Honestly I don't know what MaxInDHouse is. He has been disowned by a JW member and now he is telling me that their online beliefs are different from their offline beliefs as if that's a wonderful thing.

Maybe he is just out to discredit the group from within but then, since no other member of the group is offering a different argument, I tend to believe him. But honestly, I am not sure.
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MrEar(m): 10:07am On May 13
Nelson21:
He is finding it difficult to believe that God has predestined his life to accept lies. grin

I don't blame him Sha. Peter was very correct.

1 Peter 2:8 – “They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
cheesy cheesy
Re: What If It Wasn't Judas Iscariot Who Betrayed Jesus? by MrEar(m): 10:32am On May 13
tctrills:
Honestly I don't know what MaxInDHouse is. He has been disowned by a JW member and now he is telling me that their online beliefs are different from their offline beliefs as if that's a wonderful thing.

Maybe he is just out to discredit the group from within but then, since no other member of the group is offering a different argument, I tend to believe him. But honestly, I am not sure.
He is lost and confused. Let me explain why.

1. He was formerly a Muslim, which means he had no knowledge of the bible.

2. He left Islam, and of all churches to join, he decided to join JW, a cult that does not know anything about the bible.

3. As a result of discussions with people he calls apostates and churchians, He is slowly learning alot of things about his organization and the bible that he didn't know before joining them and now he doesn't know how to pull out of the cult he has joined. That is why you see him saying things totally different from what his organization teaches.

So you see, he is lost and confused. grin
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