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Not everyone shouting “LORD” is walking with GOD ALMIGHTIEST. Many want heaven, but reject the life that leads there. The greatest deception is thinking religion, church attendance, titles, emotions, or public appearance can replace true surrender to JESUS CHRIST.

The scripture says in Matthew 7:21:

> “Not every one that saith unto me, LORD, LORD, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but HE that doeth the will of MY FATHER which is in heaven.”

Some people speak about GOD ALMIGHTIEST with their mouth, but their hearts are chained to pride, lust, hatred, greed, unforgiveness, rebellion, and secret darkness. Heaven is not entered by confession alone. Heaven responds to transformation. If CHRIST has not changed your nature, your Christianity is only an appearance.

The danger is that many compare themselves with men instead of the holiness of GOD ALMIGHTIEST. Because they are “better” than others, they think they are safe. But heaven is not graded by human standards. One unrepentant life outside CHRIST is enough to remain separated from THE LORD.

The scripture says in Galatians 5:19 to 21 that the works of the flesh are manifest, including adultery, fornication, uncleanness, hatred, envyings, drunkenness, and such things, and that:

> “they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Many people want the crown, but refuse the cross. They want eternal life, but resist obedience. They want the promises of GOD ALMIGHTIEST, but refuse repentance. A man cannot love sin and love the presence of GOD ALMIGHTIEST at the same time. What you continue to protect will eventually rule you.

The scripture says in Hebrews 12:14:

> “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see THE LORD.”

Holiness is not fashion, vocabulary, or public performance. Holiness is the life of CHRIST ruling a man from within. It is when darkness no longer has dominion over your desires. It is when the fear of GOD ALMIGHTIEST becomes greater than the pleasure of sin.

Some people will not make it to heaven because they delayed too long. They kept saying “later.” Later to repent. Later to surrender. Later to forgive. Later to obey. But eternity does not wait for human convenience.

The scripture says in 2 Corinthians 6:2:

> “behold, now is the accepted time, behold, now is the day of salvation.”

Hell was never created for man, but many walk toward destruction daily while believing they still have time. Life is fragile. Death gives no warning to many. The greatest tragedy is not dying physically. The greatest tragedy is standing before JESUS CHRIST without truly knowing HIM.

The scripture says in Matthew 16:26:

> “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

Your money cannot save you. Your popularity cannot save you. Your intelligence cannot save you. Your church title cannot save you. Only JESUS CHRIST saves, transforms, delivers, and gives eternal life.

The door of mercy is still open, but no door stays open forever. Repentance is not weakness. Repentance is wisdom. The blood of JESUS still speaks. The grace of GOD ALMIGHTIEST still calls men out of darkness into life. But every man must choose who will rule his soul.

Most people don't mind NOT going to heaven. They just don't want to land in hell. JW taught people like MaxInDHouse that there is nothing like hell?

QuinQ:
Most people don't mind not going to heaven. They just don't want to land in hell. JW taught people like MaxInDHouse that there is nothing like hell?

The end determine the end.

QuinQ:
Most people don't mind NOT going to heaven. They just don't want to land in hell. JW taught people like MaxInDHouse that there is nothing like hell?

Explain the verse in the screenshot below.

Newlight777:
Not everyone shouting “LORD” is walking with GOD ALMIGHTIEST. Many want heaven, but reject the life that leads there. The greatest deception is thinking religion, church attendance, titles, emotions, or public appearance can replace true surrender to JESUS CHRIST.

The scripture says in Matthew 7:21:

> “Not every one that saith unto me, LORD, LORD, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but HE that doeth the will of MY FATHER which is in heaven.”

Some people speak about GOD ALMIGHTIEST with their mouth, but their hearts are chained to pride, lust, hatred, greed, unforgiveness, rebellion, and secret darkness. Heaven is not entered by confession alone. Heaven responds to transformation. If CHRIST has not changed your nature, your Christianity is only an appearance.

The danger is that many compare themselves with men instead of the holiness of GOD ALMIGHTIEST. Because they are “better” than others, they think they are safe. But heaven is not graded by human standards. One unrepentant life outside CHRIST is enough to remain separated from THE LORD.

The scripture says in Galatians 5:19 to 21 that the works of the flesh are manifest, including adultery, fornication, uncleanness, hatred, envyings, drunkenness, and such things, and that:

> “they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Many people want the crown, but refuse the cross. They want eternal life, but resist obedience. They want the promises of GOD ALMIGHTIEST, but refuse repentance. A man cannot love sin and love the presence of GOD ALMIGHTIEST at the same time. What you continue to protect will eventually rule you.

The scripture says in Hebrews 12:14:

> “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see THE LORD.”

Holiness is not fashion, vocabulary, or public performance. Holiness is the life of CHRIST ruling a man from within. It is when darkness no longer has dominion over your desires. It is when the fear of GOD ALMIGHTIEST becomes greater than the pleasure of sin.

Some people will not make it to heaven because they delayed too long. They kept saying “later.” Later to repent. Later to surrender. Later to forgive. Later to obey. But eternity does not wait for human convenience.

The scripture says in 2 Corinthians 6:2:

> “behold, now is the accepted time, behold, now is the day of salvation.”

Hell was never created for man, but many walk toward destruction daily while believing they still have time. Life is fragile. Death gives no warning to many. The greatest tragedy is not dying physically. The greatest tragedy is standing before JESUS CHRIST without truly knowing HIM.

The scripture says in Matthew 16:26:

> “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

Your money cannot save you. Your popularity cannot save you. Your intelligence cannot save you. Your church title cannot save you. Only JESUS CHRIST saves, transforms, delivers, and gives eternal life.

The door of mercy is still open, but no door stays open forever. Repentance is not weakness. Repentance is wisdom. The blood of JESUS still speaks. The grace of GOD ALMIGHTIEST still calls men out of darkness into life. But every man must choose who will rule his soul.

If everyone goes to Heaven, what happens to the planet earth?

Truthseeker10:
Explain the verse in the screenshot below.

It means hell exists. Well JW and MaxInDHouse disagree

QuinQ:
It means hell exists. Well JW and MaxInDHouse disagree

According to the verse, What happens in Hell?

Truthseeker10:
According to the verse, What happens in Hell?

I don't know but I know same "the preacher" also said everything is vanity and like chasing the wind.
Same author also said there is nothing better for a man to do than to eat and drink.
Do you agree with those?
Also notice he said nothing about heaven.

QuinQ:
I don't know but I know same "the preacher" also said everything is vanity and like chasing the wind.
Same author also said there is nothing better for a man to do than to eat and drink.
Do you agree with those?
Also notice he said nothing about heaven.

So was the preacher lying about what happens in Hell in Ecclesiastics 9:10 that you read?

Truthseeker10:
So was the preacher lying about what happens in Hell in Ecclesiastics 9:10 that you read?

Not that he was lying but that he did not mean hell as we think it, and probably didn't use the word "hell". To him "hell" is what happens to EVERYONE after they die. In his view there is no counterbalancing heaven. So "The Preacher" ought be the last person you should be quoting in a topic about heaven!

QuinQ:
Not that he was lying but that he did not mean hell as we think it, and probably didn't use the word "hell". To him "hell" is what happens to EVERYONE after they die. In his view there is no counterbalancing heaven. So "The Preacher" ought be the last person you should be quoting in a topic about heaven!

According to your words in bold above, What is the word for Hell?

Truthseeker10:
According to your words in bold above, What is the word for Hell?

Hell

QuinQ:
Hell

I asked you for the word for Hell...You claimed that the preacher did not use the Word "Hell". So what is the word that is translated to "Hell"?

Truthseeker10:
I asked you for the word for Hell...You claimed that the preacher did not use the Word "Hell". So what is the word that is translated to "Hell"?

Do you know what "probably" means? Was I there when he was writing? I even included screenshot of what we call "hell". Go read that again, then decide for yourself another word for it!

QuinQ:
Do you know what "probably" means? Was I there when he was writing? I even included screenshot of what we call "hell". Go read that again, then decide for yourself another word for it!

So you're saying that you don't know the Hebrew word in which the word "Hell" was translated from and I should just take your definition of Hell from Google as the Bible's definition?

Truthseeker10:
So you're saying that you don't know the Hebrew word in which the word "Hell" was translated from and I should just take your definition of Hell from Google as the Bible's definition?

Google has no independent definitions. It's definitions are culled from scholars and authorities. See below, "Bible's definition"

QuinQ:
Google has no independent definitions. It's definitions are culled from scholars and authorities. See below, "Bible's definition"

If Hell is a lake that burns with fire and Sulphur according to your evidence in the screenshot, How do you explain the verse in the screenshot below?

Truthseeker10:
If Hell is a lake that burns with fire and Sulphur according to your evidence in the screenshot, How do you explain the verse in the screenshot below?

You are mixing up categories of judgment as though every verse is describing the exact same condition, time, or state.

The scripture speaks about hell, death, Hades, Gehenna, and the lake of fire in different contexts. Not every verse is describing the final state after judgment.

Revelation clearly says:

“The lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

That is not symbolic language about discomfort alone. Fire and brimstone are repeated consistently throughout scripture as divine judgment. Even Sodom and Gomorrah were judged with brimstone from THE LORD as a physical demonstration of wrath.

Also, if you claim the “fire” is only symbolic, then explain why the same passage says death and hell themselves are cast into the lake of fire. That is final judgment, not temporary correction.

The problem is many people read isolated verses without understanding progressive revelation and prophetic language. One verse can describe the realm of the dead before final judgment, while another describes the eternal state after judgment.

You cannot cancel one scripture with another. The scripture interprets scripture.

JESUS HIMSELF spoke more about hell than almost anyone else in scripture. HE described it as:
• outer darkness,
• weeping and gnashing of teeth,
• unquenchable fire,
• and a place where the worm does not die.

If hell was merely metaphorical or harmless, CHRIST would not warn about it so severely.

The issue is not whether the language sounds uncomfortable to modern ears. The issue is whether the word of GOD ALMIGHTIEST is true.

Newlight777:
You are mixing up categories of judgment as though every verse is describing the exact same condition, time, or state.

The scripture speaks about hell, death, Hades, Gehenna, and the lake of fire in different contexts. Not every verse is describing the final state after judgment.

Revelation clearly says:

“The lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

That is not symbolic language about discomfort alone. Fire and brimstone are repeated consistently throughout scripture as divine judgment. Even Sodom and Gomorrah were judged with brimstone from THE LORD as a physical demonstration of wrath.

Also, if you claim the “fire” is only symbolic, then explain why the same passage says death and hell themselves are cast into the lake of fire. That is final judgment, not temporary correction.

The problem is many people read isolated verses without understanding progressive revelation and prophetic language. One verse can describe the realm of the dead before final judgment, while another describes the eternal state after judgment.

You cannot cancel one scripture with another. The scripture interprets scripture.

JESUS HIMSELF spoke more about hell than almost anyone else in scripture. HE described it as:
• outer darkness,
• weeping and gnashing of teeth,
• unquenchable fire,
• and a place where the worm does not die.

If hell was merely metaphorical or harmless, CHRIST would not warn about it so severely.

The issue is not whether the language sounds uncomfortable to modern ears. The issue is whether the word of GOD ALMIGHTIEST is true.

You are clearly going out of topic. The topic here is Hell. I never claimed the above that you are talking about. You told me Hell is a lake of fire and Sulphur. If Hell is a lake of fire and Sulphur, How come Death and "Hell" is cast into the lake of fire?

Truthseeker10:
You are clearly going out of topic. The topic here is Hell. I never claimed the above that you are talking about. You told me Hell is a lake of fire and Sulphur. If Hell is a lake of fire and Sulphur, How come Death and "Hell" is cast into the lake of fire?

No, you are confusing “Hell” with the “Lake of Fire” as though they are identical in every passage.

Revelation 20:14 literally answers your question:

“Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.”

That verse itself proves there is a distinction between Hell and the Lake of Fire.

The word translated as “hell” there is Hades, the temporary realm of the dead, not the final eternal state. The Lake of Fire is the final judgment after resurrection and judgment.

So the sequence is simple:

1. Hades or Hell holds the dead.
2. Judgment takes place.
3. Death and Hades are abolished.
4. They are cast into the Lake of Fire, called the second death.

That is not contradiction. That is progression.

Even death itself is “cast” into the Lake of Fire, yet death is not a physical object. Why? Because the passage is describing the final destruction and judgment of everything opposed to GOD ALMIGHTIEST.

You assumed every use of the word “hell” refers to the exact same thing in every verse. That is the mistake.

The scripture uses terms like Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, and Lake of Fire in different contexts. If you flatten all of them into one definition, you will automatically create confusion for yourself.

The scripture is not contradicting itself. You are merging categories the scripture keeps distinct.

Truthseeker10:
If Hell is a lake that burns with fire and Sulphur according to your evidence in the screenshot, How do you explain the verse in the screenshot below?

A more pertinent question: how can death and hell as we understand them be thrown into anything? It's like saying life was sent to Kirikiri!

Now i know you've been traumatized by discussing with me but since you are saucy i won't engage you on this anymore just know that the Hebrew word translated HELL simply means GRAVE!🙂

QuinQ:
Most people don't mind NOT going to heaven. They just don't want to land in hell. JW taught people like MaxInDHouse that there is nothing like hell?

QuinQ:
A more pertinent question: how can death and hell as we understand them be thrown into anything? It's like saying life was sent to Kirikiri!

The question is rightly yours since you claim Hell is a lake of fire and Sulphur. Please answer How Death and "Hell" is thrown into the lake of fire since you claim "Hell" is a lake of fire and Sulphur.

Newlight777:
No, you are confusing “Hell” with the “Lake of Fire” as though they are identical in every passage.

Revelation 20:14 literally answers your question:

“Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.”

That verse itself proves there is a distinction between Hell and the Lake of Fire.

The word translated as “hell” there is Hades, the temporary realm of the dead, not the final eternal state. The Lake of Fire is the final judgment after resurrection and judgment.

So the sequence is simple:

1. Hades or Hell holds the dead.
2. Judgment takes place.
3. Death and Hades are abolished.
4. They are cast into the Lake of Fire, called the second death.

That is not contradiction. That is progression.

Even death itself is “cast” into the Lake of Fire, yet death is not a physical object. Why? Because the passage is describing the final destruction and judgment of everything opposed to GOD ALMIGHTIEST.

You assumed every use of the word “hell” refers to the exact same thing in every verse. That is the mistake.

The scripture uses terms like Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, and Lake of Fire in different contexts. If you flatten all of them into one definition, you will automatically create confusion for yourself.

The scripture is not contradicting itself. You are merging categories the scripture keeps distinct.

I think QuinQ needs this your above explanation. Since the dead are Held in Hades or Hell, what happens to them there?

Newlight777:
No, you are confusing “Hell” with the “Lake of Fire” as though they are identical in every passage.

Truthseeker10:
I think Q needs this your above explanation. Since the dead are Held in Hades or Hell, what happens to them there?

Truthseeker10:
The question is rightly yours since you claim Hell is a lake of fire and Sulphur. Please answer How Death and "Hell" is thrown into the lake of fire since you claim "Hell" is a lake of fire and Sulphur.

MaxInDHouse:
Now i know you've been traumatized by discussing with me but since you are saucy i won't engage you on this anymore just know that the Hebrew word translated HELL simply means GRAVE!🙂

Non of us can claim Hell to be anything since we neither made up the word nor were we there when the authors used them. We can only state what the general consensus is as to what they mean biblically and otherwise. Read them below then disprove them one by one, NOT pick one obscure verse and focus on only that!

QuinQ:
Non of us can claim Hell to be anything since we neither made up the word nor were we there when the authors used them. We can only state what the general consensus is as to what they mean biblically and otherwise. Read them below then disprove them one by one, NOT pick one obscure verse and focus on only that!

Are you saying that you cannot explain Revelation 20:14 since you claim that Hell is a lake of fire and Sulphur?

Truthseeker10:
Are you saying that you cannot explain Revelation 20:14 since you claim that Hell is a lake of fire and Sulphur?

Countering the claim that Revelation 20:14 disproves the idea of the lake of fire as final judgment:

Revelation 20:14 states clearly:

“Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.”

The argument being made assumes that if “Hades” is thrown into the lake of fire, then the lake of fire must be the same thing as Hades or cannot be a distinct place. That assumption is not supported by the text.

### 1. The text makes a clear distinction of categories

The passage lists three distinct realities:

- Death
- Hades (the realm of the dead)
- The lake of fire

Since “death and Hades” are thrown into the lake of fire, they are treated as separate entities from it. Something cannot be thrown into itself and still remain logically distinct in the narrative structure.

### 2. The lake of fire functions as the final judicial realm

Revelation consistently presents the lake of fire as the final judgment setting:

Revelation 20:10 describes eternal punishment in the same

QuinQ:
Non of us can claim Hell to be anything since we neither made up the word nor were we there when the authors used them. We can only state what the general consensus is as to what they mean biblically and otherwise. Read them below then disprove them one by one, NOT pick one obscure verse and focus on only that!

If you can't answer the simple question then there is no need arguing with you!🙂

Truthseeker10:
Are you saying that you cannot explain Revelation 20:14 since you claim that Hell is a lake of fire and Sulphur?

MaxInDHouse:
Now just know that the Hebrew word translated HELL simply means GRAVE!🙂

How many times will I tell u, I can't claim any word to mean anything. I can only state what the general and expert consensus is as to what they mean. THAT'S HOW LANGUAGE WORKS!

Revelation 20:14 uses the words "Death and Hades". In this context, "death" refers to physical death, and "Hades" represents the temporary holding place of the dead {or "grave"} before the final judgment, NOT Hell as we use the word today.
That "Lake of Fire" is what we equate with "Hell" in our language today, and is a place of punishment that symbolizes the ultimate and permanent state of eternal separation from God!
See the full Revelation quote below (NIV). Note the underlined. JW people, what do you folks call that "Lake of Fire"?

Newlight777:
Countering the claim that Revelation 20:14 disproves the idea of the lake of fire as final judgment:

Revelation 20:14 states clearly:

“Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.”

The argument being made assumes that if “Hades” is thrown into the lake of fire, then the lake of fire must be the same thing as Hades or cannot be a distinct place. That assumption is not supported by the text.

### 1. The text makes a clear distinction of categories

The passage lists three distinct realities:

- Death
- Hades (the realm of the dead)
- The lake of fire

Since “death and Hades” are thrown into the lake of fire, they are treated as separate entities from it. Something cannot be thrown into itself and still remain logically distinct in the narrative structure.

### 2. The lake of fire functions as the final judicial realm

Revelation consistently presents the lake of fire as the final judgment setting:

Revelation 20:10 describes eternal punishment in the same

Oga you are answering the wrong question. I did not Direct my question to you. I have replied your previous comment by asking you what happens to the dead that are held in Hades or Hell. Kindly answer the question.

QuinQ:
That "Lake of Fire" is what we equate with "Hell" in our language today.

So can you explain how Death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire? Revelation 20:14🙂

QuinQ:
How many times will I tell u, I can't claim any word to mean anything. I can only state what the general and expert consensus is as to what they mean. THAT'S HOW LANGUAGE WORKS!

Revelation 20:14 uses the words "Death and Hades". In this context, "death" refers to physical death, and "Hades" represents the temporary holding place of the dead (or "grave"} before the final judgment, NOT Hell as we use the word today.
That "Lake of Fire" is what we equate with "Hell" in our language today, and is a place of punishment that symbolizes the ultimate and permanent state of eternal separation from God!
See the full Revelation quote below (NIV)

Are you saying that "lake of fire" is the Greek word for "Hell" in English?