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| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:47pm On May 14 |
kayjordan:OK i can see you have a feeling that it's possible to find peaceful and loving people who are not true Christians but i doubt it. Of course our God will not destroy such ones but it's impossible to find such ones. Your question sounds like that of one of God's ancient friends named Abraham. God told him that He is going to destroy two cities and in one of these two Abraham's cousin (Lot) lives there with his family. So Abraham started asking whether God will destroy the cities if 50 righteous people are found there and God said no, Abraham continued bargaining until he asked if 10 could be found God still said He will not destroy the cities for the sake of 10 righteous people but at the end only tree were found which are Lot and his two daughters. So my guy what the Bible God wants is a peaceful planet earth where everyone will be happy therefore if a person can meet up with that criteria without being one of His worshipers God will not destroy such a person but i doubt if such is possible!🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 7:03pm On May 14 |
Heaven is God and His Spirit Son's Abode - acknowledged! What I'm trying to understand - is your peace and love defense. You say: "one can never find a peace and loving person other than a Christian" - this comes off as a "bragging right" than an honest audit of other religions. This is MARKETING AND DEMARKETING! Now, you asked me to mention one person who is truly peaceful and loving if I know any - Here they are (As groups): 1. Muslims: Just as divided as Christians are, so are Muslims. The better version of Muslims are peaceful and accommodating of other religions - for example; some Yoruba-Muslims. 2. Buddhists: This group of worshipers are helpful in society and peaceful. In Nigeria, they are active members of the Rotary Club and they use this platform to help communities. 3. Humanists: As mentioned before, are a group of non-believers who don't believe in a God but believe in helping planet earth - by doing so, they help the needy, volunteer their time to serve mankind in any capacity. Likely there are many others... Does your religion have a problem with the above listed groups? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 7:19pm On May 14 |
The peace you ask for - others already have it with or without your religion. It's like asking if one should use a "broom" or a "long brush" to sweep a room - really it doesn't matter what's used as long as it ensures a clean room. So why is Christianity selfish? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:26pm On May 14 |
There is just one reason why no religion can have REAL peaceful and loving people i believe that should be your next question!🙂 I told you earlier that evil started when some intelligent creatures decided to dominate their fellow humans. Now let us use logical reasoning to help us find if it's possible for any other religion to have people who are truly peaceful and loving. Humans who wants to dominate other humans are called "POLITICIANS" and due to fear of being subjects to bad rulers other religions either participate fully or partially. What i mean is that members of these religions join in the struggle for public offices (full participation) or vote or support one candidate over another (partial participation) this is the cause of WARS throughout the world today leading people into hating and killing their neighbors and in extension their fellow worshipers from other countries or tribes. We Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) only believe in the government of God (God's Kingdom) where Jesus will reign as king so we don't participate at all in politics that is what squashed racism in our midst while all other religions are blinded by politics and racism. 2Corinthians 4:4 Well since you believe in logic please do you still think there can be real peaceful and loving people when these religions are into of politics and racism?🤔 kayjordan: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:29pm On May 14*. Modified: 5:54am On May 20 |
kayjordan:Hmmm my guy i told you that i was once a Muslim and i really believe in logical reasoning but when i met the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) i surrendered to indomitable truth! John 8:32🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:49pm On May 14 |
You have an "individualistic opinion" rather than a collective view on religions. I earlier mentioned other good religions - but you remain glued to your religion and denomination. Whether religious people mix religion with politics or religion with racism - it doesn't rule out the fact that there are good people amongst them - the bad ones are the racists. If you're given a ticket to explore good religions just as you pivoted from Islam to Christianity, would you accept it? Also - are you a righteous man? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:55pm On May 14 |
This is a classic case of: JOHN: "I don't like hats, they don't fit me. I prefer caps. MARK: "Well, I do! They fit me really well. Caps are for little kids. If Mark imposes his "wish" on John, he is self-centered and a dictator. Do you agree? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:16am On May 15 |
kayjordan:Individuals and religions are two different things. When people gather for worship but failed to cohabit peacefully among themselves then that religion is NOT GOOD. To illustrate it's the chef doing the cooking that determines a good meal not the ingredients. The same applies to religion when the SPIRIT controlling the worshipers is not the true God they will fail to produce what is good collectively {Matthew 7:16-18} even though there are nice individuals among them. Galatians 5:22-23 kayjordan:This shows you haven't been following this discussion with keen interest. No right thinking human wants to be a racist but politics gives birth to racism whether you like it or not. Take for instance back in 2023 Nigerians wanted to vote for another leader anyone who feels the need for a better leader won't know when he or she is carried away with racism and politics it's either you vote/support one candidate and oppositions see you as a racist (when your preferred candidate comes from your tribe) or enemy of the nation (when your preferred candidate is not from your tribe) So no matter how good you may be once your religion allows members to go into politics you will have serious issues with your neighbor or fellow worshiper whose preferred candidate differ from yours!🙂 kayjordan:It's pointless sticking to a rifle without a bullet so if i realize my present religion is not achieving the needful there is no reason to continue. Being Righteous means doing better than others in benefitting oneself and neighbors so surely i am a righteous man if we are to go by that criteria! Mark 12:31 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:24am On May 15*. Modified: 6:11am On May 15 |
kayjordan:NO! I disagree with your illustration. My hart or cap doesn't in any way affect my neighbor but my religion does! A Muslim will kill a Muslim because of politics or nationalism, Catholics, Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Chosen name the religion will do exactly the same thing because their religious leaders taught them that human governments can make their life better so when it comes to choosing a human leader all these religions gets involved. That is what leads them into hating and killing themselves even though they claim worshipers of the same God!🙂
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| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by CaptainJune: 7:30am On May 15 |
Why we should worship the Devil often? It makes us genuine. The free-will and the freedom of man is coined "sin" and rebuked. If man goes against the laws of God, he is condemned.One of the laws of God is to never shed blood. Your argument implies people giving free rein to the morbid desire to kill their fellow humans. Is that why you worship satan? |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:48am On May 15 |
@ Kayjordan Please i will be busy today until 5pm so we will continue our discussion later!🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by orisa37: 11:47am On May 15 |
TAKE YOUR FAITH AND HOPE IN RIGHTEOUSNESS VERY SERIOUSLY AND THE DEVIL WILL ALWAYS WORSHIP YOU. |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by orisa37: 11:52am On May 15 |
Dtruthspeaker:Satanic directives. Ignore it. |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 3:02pm On May 15 |
I read alot of your Church's leaflets and I find them interesting. Although, I haven't verified all what you've said about JW's practises - but I would still ask you more questions about them. The vital point here is - the world is NOT suppose to be a "pre-programmed" world of peace and love. The world you see is a - CHANCE. "SEE AS YOU COME". The racism, war and hatred you are talking about is a foundation of RELIGION. Greedy people created RELIGION, Wicked people created RELIGION. Centuries ago, when man faced grave danger, man decided to create a weapon for himself - and that weapon is RELIGION. Every good thing you are enjoying in this world was built on BAD FOUNDATION. At some point, someone would give his life during war for peace in his country...... Persons may die on their way to the top of Mount Everest or even to the moon just to bring back home knowledge..... Someone may sacrifice his life for a major bridge or national project to be constructed.... The peace you seek doesn't exist. NO RELIGION, NO SCHOOL OF THOUGHT can change that - simply because - no matter the group you follow, YOUR TRUE CHARACTER will stand you out from the rest in that very group. The JW Organization is no different from the above mentioned. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 3:46pm On May 15 |
As I mentioned earlier, evil existed long before religion. The reason I engaged you on the Bible scriptures was to find out your truth and hypocrisy - I don't believe in the word of the Bible personally. 'JW can't be as old as Jesus Christ... 'Religion is not 1million years old either... So, what exactly existed one billion years ago or one "million" years ago? - dumb people! (early man) and dinosaurs (Maybe). Now, I want to perform a surgery on this argument: *Let's remove our "biases". *Let's remove "humans". The Earth & Universe is left (no animals, no humans). Now let's argue: If there's a storm, earthquake, tsunami or hurricane on earth - "WHO" do we hold responsible for these natural disasters of the earth? Now, let's return "Humans" + "Animals" back into the equation: If there are animals and humans on planet earth (believers & unbelievers), how will they live in peace amid natural disasters? If you answer my question with: "BECAUSE GOD WANTS TO USE THE EARTH TO FLUSH OUT UNBELIEVERS" - then that leads to a scientific question I will ask you: - "How did the seven continents, mountains and rocks get formed? - you may reply like a typical Christian - "BY ALMIGHTY GOD'S HANDS". Note: Whatever that is responsible for the shape of the earth and it's features - is also responsible for the natural disasters disturbing the peace of God's inhabitants. Natural disasters and the events of the entire universe are much "older" than religion that just arrived yesterday. So, if people don't create war, then the earth itself will. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 3:57pm On May 15 |
Hmm! The Devil loves righteous people . That's why people run to the churches for refuge only to pray for more devils in their lives. orisa37: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 4:02pm On May 15 |
The Kindom of Limbo knows @Dtruthspeaker very well - we've heard of him... He washes cars of Bats in the Burning Furnace and mans the Generator house during night shift. orisa37: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:38pm On May 15 |
kayjordan:Who is the founder of religion and which religion since we know today that there are countless religions? kayjordan:Do you have any written document to back this up? kayjordan:The true religion is not by force so you can opt out anytime you choose to that is why the word of our God says: Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in his holy place? The one who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not trust in an idol or swear by a false god. Psalms 24:3-4 NIV No matter how bad a person could be our God doesn't give up on anyone as long as the person is willing to get help for a change. So the true religion is like an hospital where sick people willingly goes to get treatment and only those who wants to continue living adhere to doctor's prescriptions. So if anyone feels he doesn't want to be healed of his bad habits no one can force that on the person but he can't continue standing on the mountain of the true God! 1Corinthans 5:12-13🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:52pm On May 15 |
kayjordan:According to the Bible Jesus is the first Jehovah's Witness ever {Revelation 1:5} the rest are his brothers who love doing what pleases our heavenly father just like Jesus. Hebrews 12:1 So Jesus himself is the foundation of that religion: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! kayjordan:There can never be any disaster as God promised to control all the forces of nature. Things went wrong after God CURSED the earth due to the rebellion in Eden {Genesis 3:17} but all evildoers will removed from our planet home {Psalms 37:9-11} then God our God will bless the earth and all those living on it! Psalms 67:6-7 In fact our God promised that nothing bad will come from nature again so the thought of natural disaster will vanish forever! Revelation 21:3-5 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 6:20pm On May 15 |
Whilst my submission on the age difference between "Religion" and "Earth" (Natural disasters) is intuitive - here is a text evidence as requested: >> "AI Overview +7 The Earth is billions of years older than human religion. Scientific evidence places the Earth's age at approximately to billion years old, while human religious practices are estimated to be tens of thousands of years old, with evidence of early spiritual behavior dating back to around BCE. LeTourneau University +2" << According to research, Religion have many founders including Jesus Christ who founded Christianity. The true religion can be "many" hospitals - as people will always have preferences (choices). Also look at it demographically: If all Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Idol worshipers in the entire world converted to JW - how "much" people would the JW Church buildings be able to accommodate? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 6:36pm On May 15 |
Jesus Christ is the first Jehovah's Witness - acknowledged. The JW belief system is like an "investment" with no "return". When you aim to remove evil and unbelievers from the earth you call home - the questions you should ask are: "When will the removals begin?" "How long will the removals take?" "Will one still be alive when all evildoers have been finally removed for peace to reign?" "Will one even benefit from the peaceful earth afterwards?" These questions should help you consider if the fight is worth it, or if you should just be real with your true nature. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:47pm On May 15 |
kayjordan:Exactly what the Bible teaches but then after God worked on the planet it became habitable and there were no disaster of any kind. kayjordan:OK if you wish to know God Himself founded the true religion for a purpose: To gather all obedient descendants of Adam and Eve under one umbrella and teach them how they can get the best treatment to cure the evil implanted in mankind which is POLITICS (the desire to dominate fellow intelligent beings) But the idea of preference is deceitful because only the true religion can cure human form that evil trait false religions can't that's why any sincere individual need to find the true religion it's like seeing different hospitals all claiming they are the best while only one is curing its patients. Will you go to the hospitals that failed to cure their patients?🙂 kayjordan:If all the inhabitants of planet earth are converted to JW then we don't need large buildings anymore all we need is little groups of two to three families in a big apartment after all everyone will love to welcome their brothers and sisters in Christ so if we gather in brother A's apartment today we can go to brother B's apartment tomorrow!🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:07pm On May 15 |
kayjordan:According to the Bible it will begin when the Jehovah's Witnesses have reached the most distant part of the earth {Act 1:8 compare to Matthew 24:14} then Jesus will come down with his warrior angels {Matthew 25:31 compare to Revelation 19:11-16} they will slaughter anyone who refused to obey what Jesus commanded on this planet! Luke 17:37 kayjordan:God's word said no single evildoer will be left that day in fact we will look out for them and none will be found! Psalms 37:10 kayjordan:How will you feel if you lost something really valuable only to get on the radio and tv stations announcements asking for the owner of the valuables? How will you feel when you and your spouse can walk anywhere you want at anytime without the fear of hoodlums or robbers? How will you feel when you walk about in the jungle and no animals attack you or your loved ones? Ọmọ Paradise will come whether Satan wants it or not and obedient mankind will enjoy everlasting peace! Isaiah 32:17🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:03pm On May 15 |
Okay?! - why do the islands in the Caribbeans still experience water disasters? - why does Japan still experience earthquakes? Except if you are speaking in parables - one needs to understand what you mean by "there were no disaster of any kind". Now, many religions are actually getting "cure" for their sicknesses in their own "hospitals" - if they weren't, they would have called your General Overseer by now - including all those speaking well of JW. Lastly, out of curiosity - when all evil is wiped out, what would the JW be praying for when there are no principalities to rebuke anymore? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:14pm On May 15 |
I'm lost - what's the "most distant part of the earth" - is that heaven in parables or earth still? Please explain the "distant Part". The scriptural analysis you give seems not to have "eternity" in its message, yet the believers will enjoy peace on a temporary earth... ![]() Would the enjoyment be for life? Would the enjoyment be on the moon? Would JW members be immortal to finally enjoy all they've labored for? Where's their eternity? Please make it clear! MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:20pm On May 15 |
kayjordan:It's not God that is ruling the planet nah!😟 It's like calling Peter Obi or Abubakar Atiku to come and solve a problem when there is a sitting president in power. So it's when God's Kingdom starts ruling that all those things will stop! kayjordan:You don't know the symptoms that's why you don't know who are getting cured. I'm talking about religionists killing themselves over politics and racism. Ọmọ only Jehovah's Witnesses have the cure!🙂 kayjordan:My guy we don't pray like Churchians so if you don't know what we believe you can't know what we pray for!🙂 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:30pm On May 15 |
kayjordan:Today Jehovah's Witnesses are moving to all the corners of the earth with our message and we are reporting back to our headquarters where we haven't reached Jesus said it's when we reach all the places inhabited by humans! Matthew 28:19-20 kayjordan:Our God promised us EVERLASTING LIFE! Psalms 37:29; John 3:16 kayjordan:God created earth for human habitation not moon Sir! Genesis 1:26-28🙂 kayjordan:As God's children we supposed to live forever without dying! Revelation 21:3-4 |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:47pm On May 15 |
Don't mistake earth for people. You claim people are in control of their behaviors - so who is in control of the Earth's natural disasters? Let's assume you're correct that religionists killing themselves over politics and racism need a cure - what about the peaceful Arabs, Indians, Africans and Americans doing good things - aren't they "cured" already? Why is the JW so under-populated (9million) compared to the Catholic Church? - why are their hospitals (Catholic) so full compared to yours? A BIG QUESTION: If God's kingdom on earth starts to rule, how old would you be by then? MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 9:07pm On May 15 |
I'd like you to make things clear for me and other readers - are you writing in spiritual terms or physical terms? You say - "Our God promised us EVERLASTING LIFE" - do you mean in the spiritual sense or physical sense? The Christians retirement plan is in Heaven. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by Ken4Christ: 9:08pm On May 15 |
MaxInDHouse:You are doing a great job for the devil. Don't beg for mercy when you see yourself in hell because you are a sure candidate of hell. |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by Ken4Christ: 9:11pm On May 15 |
kayjordan:Jonah's soul went to hell. He narrated his experience there in chapter 2. He wasn’t dreaming. Our Lord Jesus went to hell on our behalf. It wasn't a dream. It was in hell he collected the keys of hell and death from the devil- Revelation 1:18 Hell is more real than your living home. Don't get there before you believe it exist because it will be too late then. |
| Re: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:23pm On May 15 |
kayjordan:God! So when rebellion is no more God will control all the forces of nature for our good. kayjordan:Except they are JWs nursing the idea of killing those depriving them of good governance won't disappear. kayjordan:The world is filled with sick people how many know what religion supposed to achieve among adherents? Even the JWs are people from all these false religions who has been convinced regarding what is their real problem. kayjordan:When God's Kingdom starts ruling there won't be aging anymore rather we will all return to youthful vigor! Job 33:25 |
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