₦airaland Forum

Prezzido:
Peter Obi is the smartest politician in Nigeria

DeepSight:
Looks like you have a strong dislike for that man.

I cant understand why given the overall quality of leadership in this country, especially what followed him.

I mean, I get his being weak, but what is the truth on two simple things since he left - security and economy - which has improved in 11 years since his departure? Not even the general was effective on security as everyone thought and he was also a sore disappointment on kwarapshin.

I mean I know your opinion already but you kinda make out like he was the worst thing we've ever known.

SouthSouth1914:
No need to argue with a pig, he will fight dirty, and beat you with experience!

DeepSight:
Looks like you have a strong dislike for that man.

I cant understand why given the overall quality of leadership in this country, especially what followed him.

I mean, I get his being weak, but what is the truth on two simple things since he left - security and economy - which has improved in 11 years since his departure? Not even the general was effective on security as everyone thought and he was also a sore disappointment on kwarapshin.

I mean I know your opinion already but you kinda make out like he was the worst thing we've ever known.

dre11:
https://guardian.ng/news/thugs-now-fly-first-class-in-nigeria-says-jonathan/

GloriousGbola:
did you follow the October 1 bombing?

the whole world was aware that mend was going to attack the venue and had given the celebrations a wide berth. but gej's admin did not warn nigerians.

this is like me holding a birthday party that area boys have warned they will attack and everyone but my immediate family is aware of this

the aftermath was even worse as gej then brought despised militants into aso rock on some sort of reassurance tour.

i am sure you understand business cycles. GEJ did not build anything. all he did was inherit what OBJ had put together and run it into the ground

everyone talks about how gej 'courageously ended subsidy while ignoring the fact that he allowed it to fraudulently grow over 300% on his watch and never punished anyone for it.

you can also google how he squandered the ECA. the man was lucky he did not return, because his chickens were coming home to roost .They were borrowing to pay salaries.

the story of joseph, pharaoh, 7 fat cows and 7 lean cows is the way life is. cycles. i have experienced cycles in my personal life, and i have seen them in corporate. all gej did was blow the money at the end of 7 fat years and now those who came after him are trying to salvage it. what i will agree is that buhari who we had real hopes for was a complete disaster who let a situation go from bad to worse.


on security


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geJoniON7SQ

this is really beyond tinubu. the Islamist terrorist have nigeria in their crosshairs. there are enough nigerian muslims whom buy into teh ideology, and a security apparatus that is corrupt through and through. to make matters worse, thsi is happening under te watch of trump, who is more intersted in transactions and posturing

i also think that you have an overly optimistic view of how fast progress is and you are in a hurry to assume that all it takes is an incorruptible leader

i often delete posts i start writing and i was writing one earlier today about lagos badagry expressway

that project started in 2010 - it was meant to run for three to four years. it was funded by the world bank. in 2026 we are still on it and it is now funded by Lagos state. my then employers had a lot of interest in the project as we had a fuel station along the express and the plan was that we would renovate a site and the commissioning would coincide with the closeout of the expressway project. so we followed up on it. there were multiple delays from different angles, a pdp led fg delaying guarantee of the second tranche of the WB loan, an nnpc pipeline that had to be rerouted, covid, CCECc internal strikes , Ambode, funding, etc.

and that is just one project

no one is going to come and wave a wand and sort out our power issues. but it starts with deregulation - which you dont want to hear because it is the act of an evil government that wants to punish citizens.

MadPolitician:
APC is busy recruiting thugs and 419ers into the political structures of this country. Thugs are being prepared to be governors and Reps members. We already have a state where almost all the LGA chairmen are thugs. Every political gathering under this dispensation seem to begin with gunshots and end with stamped..., It is worrisome.

In certain parts of the country, you can't do anything without thugs high on drugs, coming to charge you a fee for simply being there. I haven't seen anything like it before... You can't shoot videos. You can't start off a building. You can't onload your wares. You can't...., they are everywhere collecting "taxes and rates" that should go to the government.

People have been speaking out virulently about this, but those who have perfected the art of hijacking elections by utilising the violent "services" of renowned thugs have done nothing. In the markets, on the roads, on the bridges, through back alleys, you can't function effectively without a violent thug ready to assault you unless you comply to his bidding..

That is not how you build a country, that's how you wreck a country..

dre11:
https://guardian.ng/news/thugs-now-fly-first-class-in-nigeria-says-jonathan/

LagosOrigin:
You caused it , you shouldn't have allowed APC anywhere close to the corridors of power, now see how bad they've destroyed our country .

Tinubu have destroyed everything that our founding fathers laboured to build. The economy is in shambles, terrorism and banditry is now the order of the day and the useless president isn't doing nothing about it till president trump stepped in .

But I believe that Nigerians will get it right in by kicking this APC government of terrorism and economic hardship out in 2027.

LagosOrigin:
You caused it , you shouldn't have allowed APC anywhere close to the corridors of power, now see how bad they've destroyed our country .

Tinubu have destroyed everything that our founding fathers laboured to build. The economy is in shambles, terrorism and banditry is now the order of the day and the useless president isn't doing nothing about it till president trump stepped in .

But I believe that Nigerians will get it right in by kicking this APC government of terrorism and economic hardship out in 2027.

DeepSight:
Thanks for your detailed response but all said and done its been 11 years and no one can claim that either security or the economy have improved. I am sure you also know in your heart that in any poll the vast majority will tell you their lives were better as of 2015.

I am surprised you talked about subsidy ballooning under GEJ when it jumped from just under 300 Billion to 7 Trillion under PMB.

Also I will take low hanging fruits. Since you admit Buhari was a disaster who can we credit with bringing Buhari?
You know the answer.

I am sure you also know in your heart that in any poll the vast majority will tell you their lives were better as of 2015.

GloriousGbola:
unfortunately, this is a simplistic answer. the same way people talk about how N1 was $1 in the 80s. very easy. some would even say life was easier during colonialism. gej was handed a working economy and proceeded to squander it. of course your average human being anywhere is not interested in root cause so it is an easy sell.


i have shared this before and i will share it again it is a google search away

i worked in the industry when gej ws president and i can assure you no actual operator was happy to see as gej turned the subsidy into an eating contest where strangers were paid billions for doing nothing. look at total subsdy under yardua 11 billion in 2 years - then gej 42 billion in 4 years then buhari 23 billion in 8 years. your maths is not mathing chief that chart tells you how that the gej people love sqanderd 20 to billion usdon non existent subsidy payments. but lets celebrate him because life was good

bola tinubu took over a declining lagos from buba marwa and turnd it around. he took over a severely diminished nigeria from buhari and is slowly turning it around. what would he have done if he took over from obj or yardua? what would gej have done if he took over from buhari?

what exactly is gejs record beyond being the number 2 to alams? what is his legacy in bayelsa, a state that is at once of nigeria's richest and poorest states ?

all you have to sell him is that people remember life was good under gej while glossing over the hole hsicareless proflgrancy was pushing us into.

CoolAmbience:
While the debate over the rise of the APC is best left for another time, one cannot overlook Goodluck Jonathan's legacy in the Niger Delta. As Vice President leading the Presidential Amnesty Program, his administration effectively enriched local thugs. By granting billions of dollars in pipeline security contracts to individuals under the guise of militancy, he established a system that handsomely rewarded criminal behaviour. Jonathan's revisionist history on this matter is deeply frustrating.

YesDaddyTill203:
Thugs like the former head of CAN, Ayo Oritsejafor, whom JOnna sent to buy Amrs for the Nigerian Army.

This man had better stop talking trash before his record is examined again.

Imagine Tinubu sending the Sultan of Sokoto to go and buy arms for the Nigerian Army from Pakistan?

The level of noise will be louder than a nuclear explosion.

GloriousGbola:
unfortunately, this is a simplistic answer. the same way people talk about how N1 was $1 in the 80s. very easy. some would even say life was easier during colonialism. gej was handed a working economy and proceeded to squander it. of course your average human being anywhere is not interested in root cause so it is an easy sell.


i have shared this before and i will share it again it is a google search away

i worked in the industry when gej ws president and i can assure you no actual operator was happy to see as gej turned the subsidy into an eating contest where strangers were paid billions for doing nothing. look at total subsdy under yardua 11 billion in 2 years - then gej 42 billion in 4 years then buhari 23 billion in 8 years. your maths is not mathing chief that chart tells you how that the gej people love sqanderd 20 to billion usdon non existent subsidy payments. but lets celebrate him because life was good

bola tinubu took over a declining lagos from buba marwa and turnd it around. he took over a severely diminished nigeria from buhari and is slowly turning it around. what would he have done if he took over from obj or yardua? what would gej have done if he took over from buhari?

what exactly is gejs record beyond being the number 2 to alams? what is his legacy in bayelsa, a state that is at once of nigeria's richest and poorest states ?

all you have to sell him is that people remember life was good under gej while glossing over the hole hsicareless proflgrancy was pushing us into.

DeepSight:
Let me add one more thing.

I find it rich when people use that line that the current govt is cleaning up the mess of the last one.

Especially if you refer to corruption via subsidy.

You cannot sincerely talk about any good intentions in that regard when open and in-our-face corruption larger than the entire subsidy is taking place with Chagoury alone.

When Abacha's bag man is appointed our Minister of Budget.

These are odious things and no one should try to paint BAT a saint in the face of these.

He ain't cleaning anything, and posterity will judge him very darkly.

GloriousGbola:
unfortunately, this is a simplistic answer. the same way people talk about how N1 was $1 in the 80s. very easy. some would even say life was easier during colonialism. gej was handed a working economy and proceeded to squander it. of course your average human being anywhere is not interested in root cause so it is an easy sell.


i have shared this before and i will share it again it is a google search away

i worked in the industry when gej ws president and i can assure you no actual operator was happy to see as gej turned the subsidy into an eating contest where strangers were paid billions for doing nothing. look at total subsdy under yardua 11 billion in 2 years - then gej 42 billion in 4 years then buhari 23 billion in 8 years. your maths is not mathing chief that chart tells you how that the gej people love sqanderd 20 to billion usdon non existent subsidy payments. but lets celebrate him because life was good

bola tinubu took over a declining lagos from buba marwa and turnd it around. he took over a severely diminished nigeria from buhari and is slowly turning it around. what would he have done if he took over from obj or yardua? what would gej have done if he took over from buhari?

what exactly is gejs record beyond being the number 2 to alams? what is his legacy in bayelsa, a state that is at once of nigeria's richest and poorest states ?

all you have to sell him is that people remember life was good under gej while glossing over the hole hsicareless proflgrancy was pushing us into.

GloriousGbola:
Hopefully We will all be here to see for ourselves

onehope:
It Is true that him and Yaradua paid thugs to stop vandalizing Oil Pipelines and Insecurity in the Niger Delta but atleast the general populace was not looking for food to eat. In his days when a Nigerian shout life is hard_ it was about money to do projects like buy car, build house etc. Not ability to afford ordinary food and commodities for personal care or hygiene. Dude wanted a perfect president: We got Buhari and Tinubu the perfect guys!

DeepSight:
Let me add one more thing.

I find it rich when people use that line that the current govt is cleaning up the mess of the last one.

Especially if you refer to corruption via subsidy.

You cannot sincerely talk about any good intentions in that regard when open and in-our-face corruption larger than the entire subsidy is taking place with Chagoury alone.

When Abacha's bag man is appointed our Minister of Budget.

These are odious things and no one should try to paint BAT a saint in the face of these.

He ain't cleaning anything, and posterity will judge him very darkly.

VeeVeeMyLuv:
Omo

The guy is so brutal
He has no sympathy not only for his political rivals but also the masses!

He has no sympathy for the people (masses) just as he has no sympathy for his political rivals in the other parties.

He detests the common man/masses as demonstrated by his elitist policies.

YesDaddyTill203:
Thugs like the former head of CAN, Ayo Oritsejafor, whom JOnna sent to buy Amrs for the Nigerian Army.

This man had better stop talking trash before his record is examined again.

Imagine Tinubu sending the Sultan of Sokoto to go and buy arms for the Nigerian Army from Pakistan?

The level of noise will be louder than a nuclear explosion.

DeepSight:
And finally I don't know where you got your chart from but it's a scam chart.

In GEJ's last year, fuel subsidy expenditure was not up to a trillion. In PMB's last year it was almost five trillion.

The Federal Government spent ₦4.39 trillion (approximately $9.7 billion at the time) on petrol subsidies in 2022.

When you consider what PMB had done to the exchange rate as well, you will find that in GEJ's last year the FG spent $3 billion on same.

So your APC govt tripled it and somehow you are still saying GEJ is the one who ballooned it.

Just not adding up brother.
You need to be objective and take away your soft spot for the bullion van baron.

If you are defending Julius Caesar as better than Napoleon, please find other grounds than saying that he was less expansionist..

If you are defending BAT against anyone, try not to use corruption as the yardstick.

brain54:
Pls explain how gej is part of the bad system of the thuggery...

Dalohad:
You are currently discussing with the APC Party that made that possible..

If you will not support Obi, please stay out of the next presidential elections. Remain neutral like an elder statesman to avoid facing disgrace. Stop getting pushed around by Tinubu and his lackeys.

The reason why APC did not harass you with EFCC after the 2015 elections was because of your legion of supporters all over the country like us.

Most of us are now Obidients, do not insult us by contesting against Peter Obi. It will end in disgrace..

omenka:
See how giddy the Agulu fraudster supporters look above, all because of statement made by the same man they accuse of being bought by Tinubu to frustrate their ambition. I've never seen this sort of mental and ideological instability my entire life. I suppose Jonathan is no longer a Tinubu patsy.