₦airaland Forum

Olofofo247ng:
Let's revisit the issues Nigerians debated in newspapers and magazines this month around 50 years ago.

Today, let us travel back to 1978 for Alexander Igbineweka’s proposed solution to Lagos traffic jams.

What's your view about this? Could this be the solution to the Lagos state frequent traffick jam?

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Back in the years, we used to have odd and even number plates driving policy for alternate days. For instance, if we start from tomorrow, Monday, only the cars with odd plate number should be on the road, Tuesday for even plate numbers and so on. It might not work today though.

Eriokanmi:
This was baba jakande's vision before Tinubu came and dabaru everything

How is restricting vehicle ownership a solution to traffic. So of all the things that could be done to ease traffic like removal of roadside traders and restricting them to the provided market spaces, creation of public parking spaces etc you decide to call this a vision? The so called baba Jakande must be something else and you who considers this a vision is also somewhat the same

Open Calabar sea Port, simple

Olofofo247ng:
Let's revisit the issues Nigerians debated in newspapers and magazines this month around 50 years ago.

Today, let us travel back to 1978 for Alexander Igbineweka’s proposed solution to Lagos traffic jams.

What's your view about this? Could this be the solution to the Lagos state frequent traffick jam?

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Or one way to reduce cars on the road is get company to design the most beautiful car on earth and price it at One Billion Naira. I trust NIgerians they will start saving their money to buy it. As they save their money they will reduce their buying of cars so less cars will be bought as they aim for that beautiful car. It's like how iphone buyers guy just one iphone and Android uses buy more phones.

And what about the pedestrian jam? One person one leg? 😂😂

One man, one car makes no sense to me.

Even if a man has 10cars, would he drive all at the same time?

I no understand abeg ..

Efficient railway system and other alternatives makes sense though.

Na so I see am..

crazygod:
It's easy.
1. All the "owo mi da" crew should be cleared
2. Public transporters should obey traffic laws and stop picking up or dropping passengers on the middle of the road
3. Unnecessary check points in the state should be stopped.
With this three points especially that No 1, traffic will move smoothly.

Past governors including Tinubu, Fashola, Ambode have all tried to put an end to " owo mi da " but not worked instead they all worked with them like the present governor Samwo is doing .

Whenever they try to end it, it resulted in Union strike, since BRT buses alone can't be enough to convey everybody.

The most annoying thing is that they is to effect strike when workers have left their respective homes for work thereby causing crowd in bus stops during the closing time. To return home becomes problem resulting in high transport fare.

Double decker buses is not a bad Idea

Factors that contribute to traffic in Lagos:
1. Commercial bus driver (danfo drivers). They block the road at every bus stop to pick passengers
2. Nigeria police.
3. Trailers
4. Sometimes, a road that is supposed to be only two lanes is sliced into six, thereby making the roads two narrow. If a vehicle breaks down on the road, the the road is blocked.
5. Lack of mass transport systems.
6. Bad roads.
Lagos state has enough resources to solve all these problems if the political will is there

nairalanda1:
Tinubu was a nobody in 1983, when Jakande was outsted.
Jakande's metro plan was jettisoned by Buhari, because at the time bubu took over in 1984, oil prices had crashed, and buhari did not want to borrow the money needed to do the project, which would have been burdensome.
Ironically, the current metro project was envisoned by TInubu, and continued and expanded by Fashola and his successors.

Not to defend any politican, btw. FWIW, I think Buhari should have just taken the loan....though it would have meant very high fares for a while to raise money to pay back

Baba jakande could sponsor it with state funds but buhari truncated their regime owing to the fact that he was an enemy of democracy,which he later embraced accidentally 3 decades after . Remember jakande built the largest housing estate in africa back then with lagos state funds. He didn't borrow any farthing.

I had to respond to you cos you seem to be in tune with history. All these lazy genz should go back to the history of this great state and learn. Alhaji folawiyo was part of the committee for the lagos lite rail. By now, railway would have been operational up to everyone's door step. It took London decades to achieve this we know but all our politicians here are short-sighted. All they know is build houses, buy 3 private jets and they and their son buying properties in London. One was exposed recently. I won't mention names cos I've noticed some mods of nairaland are biased. They can ban me deliberately, even without doing their research. Lagos is about the 4th economy in africa meaning, it's capable of being a country on its own and can achieve this. What's the population of Rwanda? What do they have to earn them revenues?. In all what we have, there's nothing to show.

kiddaz:
How is restricting vehicle ownership a solution to traffic. So of all the things that could be done to ease traffic like removal of roadside traders and restricting them to the provided market spaces, creation of public parking spaces etc you decide to call this a vision? The so called baba Jakande must be something else and you who considers this a vision is also somewhat the same

I don't understand you. Jakande's lite rail initiative would have reduced lagos traffic by 70%, had he been allowed to do that

I remember the days of odd and even numbers.

This person no get sense one bit

The presumed common sense of the 70s has become stupidity in this millennium.

* Can you imagine restricting Sowore and FALANA to having just one car? With what law? Violation of their rights to own properties.

* Buy double decker buses to take workers to work and back? What category of workers? Who pays for that? The same workers that are not ready to pay tax or who?

The man that suggested these just came from Nnewi and perhaps was overwhelmed by the number of vehicles in Lagos then.

Just depopulate the damn city/state abeg...!

Normalize rapid development and pushing industries to other Nigerian states.

Start by removing the cancer of Insecurity and terrorism... Improve Power supply across the nation, and watch the voluntary relocation away from Eko.

redcliff:
does a man drive 2 cars at the same time? this reasoning is flawed

Very unreasonable now no one will drive two cars at the same time like you rightly said. Who gave that suggestion sef?

Dalohad:
You cannot restrict how many cars a man can own, we are not in a communist country..Even China does not do that.

The biggest cause of traffic are the stubborn yellow public buses- Danfos, Koropes and Kekes.

The drivers of these rickety antiquated vehicles, have a highfalutin sense of importance. They believe they are untouchables, they beat traffic lights, park in the middle of the road to pick passengers and load goods, causing obstruction. They frequently bully private cars on the road..

You will be stuck in traffic for hours in Oshodi, when you get the suspected point of vehicular impasse, you find them repairing a broken down antique they call Danfo in the middle of the road, while LASTMA and policemen stand akimbo or look the other way. Every other cars spend hours on that traffic burning scare and costly fuel, because the owner of the deadbeat danfo or Korope, will not do simple maintainance. He will rather use the money to drink Baba pari, play Baba ijebu and visit cheap prostitutes..


Do that as a private vehicle owner and gave you vehicle break down at Ojota, police and LASTMA will suddenly become alive to their responsibility and towing vehicle appears from nowhere. Your fine is N200,000, you can begin to negotiate.

Every bus stop, every major intersection and junction, is a public loading park for these public buses..

When you probe the reason why these public buses are not frequently penalized by government, you find that their NURTW leaders like MC Oluomo are close to government and enjoy their patronage (they help government rig elections, snatch ballot boxes, and intimidate voters on election days).

When Nigeria starts implementing total electronic voting and counting, the agberoes will become irrelevant.

Till then, Lagos government should go and pick its clothes where it took its bath.

You made very sound points.

If I may, I will add
pot holes,
hawkers selling in traffic and those selling on the pedestrian side of the road,
then the agbero stopping the Yellow buses,
Check points by police or whoever.
Commercial vehicles picking passengers on the middle or road.( the Baba nla cause)
These are the major causes of traffic in some parts of lagos.

Example, come to Ikotun Roundabout going to Ijegun in the evening or early morning, you will agree that the Blackman brain isnt like the White.

How will a government tell me how many cars to have LOL... Very anyhow talk

Anything Yellow vehicle in Lagos is the main cause of these traffics. If yiu can control them well, traffic problems have been solved.

Eriokanmi:
This was baba jakande's vision before Tinubu came and dabaru everything. With his quack innovation. How can someone who claimed to have schooled and lived in the US, even drove taxi for survival ended up this way? Lagos is not as busy as London and New York city. They prefer embezzling money with their quack traffick solution. I had to personally written to a commissioner in Lagos to introduce CCTV and traffic lights to the mainland before they finally acted and this is what happens when a non-indigene who is only interested in milking your state holds sway. All these will be addressed by uncle Doherty, may God protect him. Late Funsho Williams wanted to come up with the railway model in his administration after which his life was cut short. May his killers never find peace and may they continue to face disgrace in the eyes of the world, amen!

When we say its time to take our state back, someone was telling me that we yorubas are the same and can govern any state i just ignored him. He should go to Ondo or oyo state and contest for the post of ordinary ward councillor and see how far. We don take too much shiit and we're ending this asap. I've been to London and new York several times by the grace of God. You'd never know the cities were so populated with the functional rail system in place, including underground train channels.
Their BRT buses here are breaking down already with no solution in sight. I went to abule egba yesterday. On getting to Ile epo market, I was able to count up to 3 buses already stranded on the BRT toad. We have the money to make this happen but they keep stealing it, using it to stage protests and sponsor politics in other states. All these nonsense will soon stop.

For reasons best known to know you’ve ended up saying nothing.

OniyideAmplify:
Clear the road side sellers, introduce metro rail and buses across the State. Governments should regulate multiple car ownership through strict taxation. Limit and regulate the usage of convoy on our roads. The city needs more link roads than ever before. And create awareness for people to normalize water transportation with tight regulations

Clear road side traders in this very harsh economy,and have them do what?

An efficient rail system,creating and building more roads and bridges,introducing more BRT buses, making use of the water ways would do the job. Lagos is the richest state in west Africa so can afford it.

It is not going to work as it failed. You don't discourage human behaviour by ban, ban, ban. You discourage it by making it expensive. Yes to the efficient rail network and copy Singapore with its ERP (Electronic Road Pricing) system where drivers who drive through certain roads at certain times in the day pay higher fees.

6am - 9am on Third Mainland Bridge should be 2000 for a regular sedan. Before this, put a train connecting the mainland and island. Also, have ferries transporting people across the state. Then make it expensive for people to drive. They can own 100 cars, but make it very expensive for them to drive them.

Lagos traffic jam is mostly cause by the commercial bus. I went to bucknor estate yesterday, do you know what causes traffic.......nah keke napep.

Angelfrost:
Just depopulate the damn city/state abeg...!

Normalize rapid development and pushing industries to other Nigerian states.

Start by removing the cancer of Insecurity and terrorism... Improve Power supply across the nation, and watch the voluntary relocation away from Eko.

While your suggestions are great, London and Tokyo still attract a lot of people. The same for New York and Los Angeles. Rather, each region should have a functioning "Lagos" or even two "Lagoses".

The only solution is to reduce number of people in the state, this can be done by situating companies in other places and not lagos only. Population of those without car are far more than Population of those with car, so vehicular movements is not the problem, but over crowding, let companies that are only centralised in lagos be in other places like east, north, town and cities near lagos can take so much industries, Osun state, Oyo state, ogun state, ondo state are good places to situate industries.

First of all forget about widening roads, trains, pedestrian lanes or building more bridges. That’s what murus do. The real solution is vertical traffic.

You take all those suboptimal gas guzzling cars clogging the streets and you stack them up like LEGOs. Imagine a multi level highway system where cars drive on top of each other. No more gridlock just pure, unadulterated efficiency. Problem solved. China is already doing this.

helinues:
That's one of the reasons I can never go into politics because doing the right thing, you are automatically stepping on people's toes. You can't extend a road without demolition, how many of the house owners have the right documents.

How would you resolve those with no proper documents, compensate them or not

Bro... it does not even end there. People deliberately do the wrong things in the country and expect to get away with. This morning, I and my friends were discussing the matter of lands in Lagos. Most people bought fake lands and built on it. They been living there for centuries but does not make it genuine. Yes... the government should make these informations public but the basic requirements centuries ago require that you do due diligence but people will not. The government will come and then they will all scream. Also, on the part of the government, they continue to ignore to gather support until they cannot.

redcliff:
does a man drive 2 cars at the same time? this reasoning is flawed

Try understand it, one man one car. We know not everyone will own a car at once.
But the situation where one person owns ten cars and will want the ten cars to be driven along side him by associates and friends who ordinarily can't own a car is where the problem is.
If that man has and uses only one car, then the other associates and friends will find other means to get to where they want to go.
That means nine cars less off the road

Kalulu44:
Try understand it, one man one car. We know not everyone will own a car at once.
But the situation where one person owns ten cars and will want the ten cars to be driven along side him by associates and friends who ordinarily can't own a car is where the problem is.
If that man has and uses only one car, then the other associates and friends will find other means to get to where they want to go.
That means nine cars less off the road

if you get 10 cars, how many people drive it all at once?