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| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by chimex38: 10:37pm On May 25 |
#Pondering I believe even the Muslims aspire to be perfect and sinless or less sinful and more holy day-by-day to enter Paradise. But just like the Jews revere or honor or respect Moses more , the Muslims do likewise so to Prophet Muhammad with Jesus seemingly just mentioned in passing. Yet both religion acknowledge a known "human-like" figure, JESUS who was SINLESS!. What no other Human or Known Prophet has ever been recorded to have done(100% Sinless) both in the Bible or Qu'ran. Even If they'all dont believe He's God(Understandable), but i wonder why they don't try to follow JESUS ways or life-model at least or seek out his doings? Afterall, all religion believe a sinless and Holy life or less sinful and Holy life, more or less guarantees Heaven or Paradise. Isn't it?  There must be someone who has exemplified the dictates of the Qu'ran or Bible to perfection without sin but complete holiness and purity of heart and mind. That person is Jesus. Why follow the letters of the Qu'ran or Bible when I can try to follow as close as possible the practical life of someone who exemplifies and practicalises the same letters of that Qu'ran or Bible to perfection in complete holiness ? If I hear of a known Human who is sinless, I will try to seek him out and emulate the best I can. Even if it means to convert! So whether Jesus is God or not, Trinity or no Trinity, whether you believe He's God or not, Jesus still remains the defacto model of a sinful and Holy life on earth to all mankind. The model which all mankind are aspiring to make the eternal resting abode So why re-invent the wheel by following books from scratch from generation to generation when there's a easier perfect practical LIVED-demonstration by a Human? #Pondering |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by chimex38: 12:35am On May 26 |
Johnhif5:@op Come and finish wetin you start here on NL Ooo..  Nobodu dey click that link. No open DISCUSS run kommot. Who you leave the thread for? |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by AntiChristian: 8:39am On May 26 |
chimex38:Does God even need to prove anything to us? And what was the purpose of all the prophets? You are even comparing God to human PhD or Parents! The flaw is that God created man and by that He is far from becoming what He created. If you think God can become man then, what about being a Gorilla/Ape with a more complex brain? No one is talking about Purity here! Just as Jesus was pure so also was John the Baptist in the same Qur'an! |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by chimex38: 9:31am On May 26*. Modified: 9:49am On May 26 |
AntiChristian:@bolded your first question. You just omitted this comment that addresses it. He didn't come as Man to prove his Godly nature and capabilities; But as Man to prove man's God-like nature and capabilities that man hasn't fully explored over the years( context matters). The prophets weren't recorded to be sinless, were they? They had their short comings. Maybe it's the choice of word I use "prove". But my context is God came to "to show man" to "teach man". to "serve as exemple to man", in a way man can relate. Show YOU and I on how to live pure holy and sinfree life despite persecution and our inborn human traits. I believe If God came as God, he won't even be comprehensible. To what end then? Since we can't ever be God. And yes, Purity is at the centre of this God-as-man discuss. Cuz we all aspire to be holy and pure. it's part of why he came down as man, to show working in a practical form that humans can relate to easily when we try to practice words from Qu'ran and bible. Stop trying to gaslight and being mischievous, no one equates God to PhD humans or parents (you know that ) it's only a metaphor or analogy I am using here to break down understanding .Try Focus on the context and leave the headline. And yes, God is our father, what stops him from literally being our parent? ...You are just pursuing straw- argument cuz you know the message is clear and well expressed. He can even move and moves as a gentle wind, No be only Gorilla |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by chimex38: 9:37am On May 26 |
Also, Yes, John the Baptist was very holy and saintly but he himself confessed in the Bible that Jesus is greater than himself. So comparism there. But if he's also pure in the Qu'ran, that's interesting. I would like to know more of his life if different or more details from the Qu'ran than Bible. Those are the kind of people I want to associate with and pick one, two or more lessons. Pure and sinless and Holy beings, yet lived as man. The ideal standard. it's what all religions adherents including You and I aspire and require to make paradise...SINLESS or LESS SINFUL, PURITY, PURE, STAINLESS, Holy, Righteous,etc all-in-one  |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:25pm On May 26 |
Truthseeker10:They are all the same, none is thinking of what the Bible really teach each just wants to air what his religion told him. So it's impossible to feed them what they don't really deserve!🤔
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| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by Emusan(m): 3:28pm On May 26 |
chimex38:That's to tell you the kind of person they are! 1 Like |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by Tboy222: 5:56pm On May 26 |
Emusan:You are in an inverted matrix , a computer simulated reality, wake up, all religions are false. Your God , your sky daddy is actually the devil himself. |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:12pm On May 26 |
Tboy222:Because of Trinity!😂 |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by Emusan(m): 9:40pm On May 26 |
Tboy222:Imagine, you're the one telling me who I am now. So, if I'm all these, then who are you? wake up, all religions are false.Including the one you belong to, right? Your God , your sky daddy is actually the devil himself.You must have met your sky daddy for you to know who he is. I'm not surprised thou. |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by chimex38: 9:51pm On May 31 |
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| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by AntiChristian: 11:16am On Jun 01 |
chimex38:One needs to remove his/her intelligence to believe in such! |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by chimex38: 11:23am On Jun 01 |
AntiChristian:Lol.. |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by Emusan(m): 8:10pm On Jun 01 |
AntiChristian:You who doesn't even have the intelligent in the first place. Can Allah appear in 36 states of the federation at the same time? |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by AntiChristian: 10:17am On Jun 02 |
Emusan:This type of question is a logical absurdity or a loaded question based on a theological category mistake. It applies physical constraints (like geographic borders) to an entity defined as non-physical and omnipresent. Allah is All-seeing, All-knowing and All-Powerful. So He can do all things! Being All-Seeing means He sees everything at the same time without any hindrance. Even your 36 states inclusive! Being All-Knowing means He knows the beginning, past, present and future of everything! Even your 36 states inclusive! So why does He need to appear there in again? And when Mûsâ (Moses) came at the time and place appointed by Us, and his Lord (Allah) spoke to him; he said: "O my Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You." Allâh said: "You cannot see Me, but look upon the mountain; if it stands still in its place then you shall see Me." So when his Lord appeared to the mountain1, He made it collapse to dust, and Mûsâ (Moses) fell down unconscious. Then when he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to You, I turn to You in repentance and I am the first of the believers." (Surah Al-A'raf 143) |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by chimex38: 11:33am On Jun 02 |
AntiChristian:Surah 46:9 "I do not know what will happen to me or to you" John 6:47 whoever believes has eternal life." John 3:15 "......That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." John 3:16 "whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
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| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by Emusan(m): 11:38am On Jun 02 |
AntiChristian:You asked why does Allah need to appear again? Yet went further to quote where Allah appeared to Musa Can Allah appear in all 36 states of the federation at once? Remember, you agreed "Allah can do ALL THINGS and the quoted Quran text supported my question. So, go ahead to answer my question. |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by AntiChristian: 12:18pm On Jun 02 |
Emusan:Is it that you can't comprehend or what? Where did you see in that verse that Allah appeared to Musa? I wasn't supposed to answer you knowing your IQ level but i just remembered the verse below: Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be like him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he become wise in his own eyes. Proverbs 26:4-5 You can re-read the quoted Qur'an verse earlier. Allah didn't appear to Moses as it does not befit His majesty to appear to any human! |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by AntiChristian: 12:23pm On Jun 02 |
chimex38:What is the context of this verse? John 6:47Compare your Bible verse with what that below: Jesus is not Omniscient (not All-Knowing) But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. Matthew 24:36 You alone are the LORD (YHWH).... Nehemiah 9:6 May they know that You alone, whose name is the LORD (YHWH), are Most High over all the earth. Psalm 83:18 Who is being addressed here as You alone; Is it God's divine essense or one of the persons of trinity or what exactly? John 17:3 - Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. Who is being addressed here as the "ONLY TRUE GOD" by Jesus? If the father is the ONLY TRUE GOD, then Jesus can't be anything but a false god! |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by chimex38: 12:35pm On Jun 02 |
AntiChristian:Follow who know road and where He's going even after death. That's CERTAINTY. |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by plesion: 1:30pm On Jun 02 |
Johnhif5:Unless you gather the Father and Son and Holy Spirit in One Person, then the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are like the masks, which are simply put on. There is indeed one only God, who came into the world, having put on the Human, and He glorified it, made it Divine. So, the God's Human is not simply a mask to be put on. So, after the resurrection, He was seen in the complete Human form, thus as a Man. And yet Jehovah was not separate from Him, for Jehovah/Divine cannot be divided into a few separate Gods, only called one. This means, that the Lord after the ressuction, was both God and Man, thus Divine as to the internals and externals. Not as two, but as one: I and the Father are one. So, the Human was not merely something put on and off, but it was that which became Divine. And taking into account that the Lord has breathed on the disciples, passing the Holy Spirit to them, He showed that the Holy Spirit is not another separate God-Person, which He and the Father as the team, is sending on some commissions, but that it is the Divine that proceeds from the Lord. In a sublime way, that Trinity is explained in the following manner: "The Divine Trinity in one Person is to be understood as soul, body, and proceeding operation, which together constitute one essence, for the one is from the other, and therefore the one belongs to the other. In the same way there is a trinity in each man, which taken together constitutes one person, to wit, the soul, the body, and the operation that goes forth. But in man this trinity is finite, because man is only an organ of life; whereas in the Lord the Trinity is infinite and thus Divine, because the Lord is life itself even in respect to the Human, as He Himself teaches in John 5:26; 14:6; and also elsewhere." (see the book "Nine Questions" by Emanuel Swedenborg). In this idea, there is a Trinity, and there is Unity, and there is nothing merely as a mask, and not the Divine is denied to the Lord, nor the Human, and those are not then seen in their separation as two, but as truly one. |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by AntiChristian: 3:44pm On Jun 02 |
chimex38:You guys no dey read! Ignorance reeks from you! |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by chimex38: 4:18pm On Jun 02 |
AntiChristian:Then kindly explain the verse No one is arguing Jesus Sonship in this thread from your verses. You can cherry pick quote and verses as much as possible like others do to prove him as son of God. The point is, such line of argument doesn't automatically oppose him as God himself in inform of man. That's the point. He has a divine nature, where he does and says things with Authority thats only ascribed to God to do and say. He was not only certain of Going to Heaven, he was even certain of his position in Heaven. That certainty is Godly. I can't say for any other "prophet". You can be the ONLY Intelligence and knowledgeable one Mr. reader. But the bitter truth is, just like the rest of ones belief, it can't be fully explained with "intelligence" and "knowledge". If the part explanations and divine signs and revelations from the Bible and even Qu'ran aren't enough logic to fill the limited rest of the gap with belief, soothe yourself. Just as you Muslims don't believe Jesus died but can't fully explain what happened. But somehow you Muslims believe Allah either did sth weird or exchanged him on the way to being crucified , or sth magical , mystical or miraculously happened to make people-belief as at the time, etc. Is that "intelligence" or "ignorance" on the part of the believer? It all boils down to out individual Faith man. Leave your full intelligence and my supposed "ignorance" out of it.  |
| Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by Emusan(m): 4:35pm On Jun 02 |
AntiChristian:That question is for your own self. Where did you see in that verse that Allah appeared to Musa?The text you quoted says "...So when his Lord APPEARED to the mountain..." You copy and paste this or not? So, who appeared here? I wasn't supposed to answer you knowing your IQ level but i just remembered the verse below:Just answer the question first. Did Allah appear or not? You can re-read the quoted Qur'an verse earlier. Allah didn't appear to Moses as it does not befit His majesty to appear to any human!So, who did Allah appear to according to that text? See it again: "...So when his Lord APPEARED to the mountain..." |
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