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OkanlawonB:
Pls the guy you quoted is not in any way speaking from the mindset of the poor, as he rightly said and me myself will also say 2.5M naira monthly household income in Nigeria today can still afford you to live a decent life.

You are the one that has problems because you don't seem to know the value of money, just calling big money does not mean you are rich, someone that values small amounts is richer than you.

Some of you in this country makes me laugh.
Previously before this administration, 30m per year can give U a good life. Not anymore without U struggling now.
If U have two kids and a wife, try and make a return flight trip twice a year and see how much is left
But before this present naija reality, this is something U can comfortably do with such income. Do U now understand ? I guess U didn't read the article.
People can survive on any income. Even 500k per year.
But U want quality life? 30m can't give U that as a family man now without struggle.

ogascomax:
It's not about poverty just say can 30 millionaire give you a live of luxury. You just want to be wasteful. Who told you that 30 millionaire will not give you all that. They are standard and quality life you can still have. They are good places you can live. You can eat healthy with that money. Your children can go to nice school with it. Do you want to give birth to community.
You think out of the box. Get an inverter. They are people living well without such an amount. They use that amount to live below their means. It's people who are not yet earning some level of money right now that comes with unnecessary expectations that think this way. You can plan even a vacation once or twice a year.
30 millionaire means you are earning 2.5 millionaire monthly. And you are there talking about poverty you are not just serious at all. Many people are building houses without earning such.
You guys go just come online to impress who with fantasy.

Bla bla bla. The article says 30m a year can still make U struggle.
Do U know how much U need to install an inverter that will power at least two AC? Some of U just blab here.
The article says U can live off 30m present if U are ready to drastically reduce your standard of living which U were used to before.
Before the present administration, 30m per year is enough to make U live a very comfortable life. Not anymore.
Have U tried vacation with two kids, a wife and your self. How much does it cost now? Or U don't assume that vacation is part of living well?
I just dey laugh Una for this country.
Even taking local flight with your two kids, wife and your self, for a return ticket, U may need to cut down to just once trip par year.
Look, humans can live off any amount, including 500k per year. The post simply said during this present administration, U will need to struggle if U want to maintain the quality of life 30m per year gave U before this present administration. Remember, for 30m income, U will be paying govt alone over 8m as income tax
The only way to survive on that income is to drastically reduce Ur standard of living in this present reality You can't live how U used to live.

anonimi:
For pipe borne water supply, your own state lawmaker is the sure plug, to make your governor employ well paid technicians, engineers, administrators, billing clerks etc to make it happen, instead of drinking water from shitty boreholes.

The federal government is not responsible for water supply in cities and towns. This is the responsibility of states.


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This one don come with tribalism for a post that has nothing to do with it. Shameless poor man
No state till date still has water aside digging bore hole, including Abuja

Ajsmart:
This write up brought tears to my eyes!
The people have endured a lot but until millions of citizens stand up and work together to demand accountability from the government, the cycle will unfortunately remain the same! Things will get worse every year with no visible improvement irrespective of which political party comes into power!

And you know the funny thing? Most judging by the comments, didn't read or understand the post
This is the reason the politicians dey use Nigerians play football

zionstaar75:
when poor people talk it's very easy to identify them.Even dangote won't spew the jargon you're saying.Are u running a hotel or factory that u want 24/7 electricity?starlink Internet?you're a comedian 😉

U are a pity to your self. So only dangete requires 24/7 electricity? Can you see what suffering has done to you all?
A normal Tunisian citizen gets that same 24/7 electricity.. As a human, U deserve it.
If U don't, I deserve it pls. I deserve to sleep under AC, I deserve to sleep with fan on. I deserve to work and see electricity 24/7. Maybe U don't. U have been conditioned to believe that U don't. Sorry Baba, I'm not the cause of your poverty.

24/7 electricity is not designed for only Dangete factory alone. U also deserve reliable internet. Something regular boys are using in Lagos. Sorry Baba. Your home should have smart connections for unlimited streaming, U need a reliable internet not the one presented by useless naija networks.
Try and download 70gig file first with Ur regular naija network. Talking crap

bobogogo:
With 2.5m monthly, you dont need to be fueling gen. E.g go and get a solar system.

It is not about being poor.
It is about cutting cost.

Some people dont know how to spend money.

Fake lifestyle is not good.

Why can't U people read and understand ? Them swear for black people ?
The article clearly stated that previously, with such income, U would be living well, but now, to live that same standard would be hard. U need the cut down drastically. Which part of this article that U didn't understand ?.
The article tries to highlight the pains of the current reality of Nigeria.
Hope U know how much it cost to install solar that will power your Air Conditionals?

Princedapace:
Bla bla bla. The article says 30m a year can still make U struggle.
Do U know how much U need to install an inverter that will power at least two AC? Some of U just blab here.
The article says U can live off 30m present if U are ready to drastically reduce your standard of living which U were used to before.
Before the present administration, 30m per year is enough to make U live a very comfortable life. Not anymore.
Have U tried vacation with two kids, a wife and your self. How much does it cost now? Or U don't assume that vacation is part of living well?
I just dey laugh Una for this country.
Even taking local flight with your two kids, wife and your self, for a return ticket, U may need to cut down to just once trip par year.
Look, humans can live off any amount, including 500k per year. The post simply said during this present administration, U will need to struggle if U want to maintain the quality of life 30m per year gave U before this present administration. Remember, for 30m income, U will be paying govt alone over 8m as income tax
The only way to survive on that income is to drastically reduce Ur standard of living in this present reality You can't live how U used to live.

Cho cho cho won't work here. The article never included tax you just imported that in. How much is inverter that you can't do with such income. Like I said just say you want to live a life of luxury. They are places in Nigeria good places that you can take family and children to. Must you travel to Europe for a vacation. They are African countries you can go on vacation. It's all about planning and you cannot be travelling up and down.
If you compare by administration you can say inflation now is high but that does not mean that it has eating so much that you cannot be comfortable.
More than 75 percent of Nigerians don't have that amount yearly and that is what you are seeing as a small amount.
I hail you.

lawani:
Revenue. Mention the ones with low government revenue or budget to GDP ratio that is a successful country. Tax sometimes can be an insignificant component of revenue

We don't have a low revenue challenge, our challenge is embezzlement and corruption. Most of the middle easy countries developed on oil revenue.

Azazyel:
Don't act like a man and cut down expenses. Keep complaining as if the complaints can change anything.

The argument was that 30 million can't give you a good life in Nigeria for a year

No body is saying you can't survive with 30 million a year

You guys really need to learn how arguments works

Premise, argument then conclusion it's basic logic

lawani:
Who is this one? What about in the USA where you must tip when you buy things? Did they force you? In the US if you don't tip them, they will feel offended.

Also, it is more honourable to beg than to go into crime but it is better for everyone to be well paid and not depend on tips. If you can afford to buy a new TV on a whim, what is the big deal in giving a small amount of money as a tip?

Where did you get such a conclusion from? Have you lived in the US or you are speaking from hear says?

Princedapace:
The problem with most of U is this. U don't read to understand. Now let me explain to U.
30m supposed to give U a very comfortable life in Nigeria before now.
But due to the economic hardship and inflation, 30m will leave u struggling except U are ready to cut down on your living standard drastically.
This was the focus of the article. So, U just confirmed it, U have to cut down on your living standard drastically to live well. And this isn't supposed to be so if the economy is good because such income is not popular in Nigeria.
I don't know why many in Nigeria are not smart Shaa. This article highlighted why 30m per year can't get U a quality life anymore. Do U understand ?
People are living off 2m per year sef. There is no amount people can't live off. It is all about cutting down. So, we are saying that if U live full quality life on that income, U will not scale through but that wasn't the case before this present administration.

We all know these. It's not new to me but enough of the complaints. We have been complaining since even before Jonathan regime sef. In several places in Nigeria even Lagos state, 2.5m per month can still give you a comfortable life. Really comfortable! Nigeria is tough yes I know that but 2.5m monthly would run your family bills except you have a wife that delights in squandering your money A man that uses his head would know how to get the best out of that money every month. A friend of mine earns 1.3m a month and he is comfortable with his wife and kid here in Lagos. You don't have to earn hundreds of millions to feel comfortable.

mrvitalis:
The argument was that 30 million can't give you a good life in Nigeria for a year

No body is saying you can't survive with 30 million a year

You guys really need to learn how arguments works

Premise, argument then conclusion it's basic logic

Pele o! Mr logic. 2.5m a month can give you a comfortable life in Nigeria. That's my conclusion. You don't need to be squandering money to live comfortably.

GboyegaD:
We don't have a low revenue challenge, or challenge is embezzlement and corruption. Most of the middle easy countries developed on oil revenue.

We have always had a low revenue to GDP challenge in Nigeria which is no longer serious now courtesy the current government but it is still there. Make comments only on things you have studied or that you have enough understanding of. There is no need for a first to comment competition or who makes the most comments competition and etc on all threads that you must participate in

Azazyel:
Pele o! Mr logic. 2.5m a month can give you a comfortable life in Nigeria. That's my conclusion. You don't need to be squandering money to live comfortably.

A good house in a big Nigerian city now 3 bedroom is over 10 million

Gen and electricity would cost you 6 million a month minimum

Good school for your children is minimum 3 million per child if you have 3 9 million gone

Car maintenance and fuel minimum 5 million per year

U obviously don't know what a GOOD LIFE means

Azazyel:
We all know these. It's not new to me but enough of the complaints. We have been complaining since even before Jonathan regime sef. In several places in Nigeria even Lagos state, 2.5m per month can still give you a comfortable life. Really comfortable! Nigeria is tough yes I know that but 2.5m monthly would run your family bills except you have a wife that delights in squandering your money A man that uses his head would know how to get the best out of that money every month. A friend of mine earns 1.3m a month and he is comfortable with his wife and kid here in Lagos. You don't have to earn hundreds of millions to feel comfortable.

Your friend who earns 1.3m per month, let get started:
How much does he spend on fueling let say v6 engine ride per month?
how much does he spend on generator fueling to achieve at least 20 hours of electricity per month?
Answer these questions.
For a 73 liter engine V6 ride, let start from there first.
Like I said, u will live but u will struggle. Maybe u dont understand the meaning of struggle.
Infact under Buhari, 30m a year, u a big middle class. Today, 30m a year, u arent a middle class. Middle class now starts from way higher. I can tell u that. Like I said, u will need to cut down on your living standard to live with such income baba.
What is comfortable living?

1: 24/7 electricity
2: quality education for your family
3: Quality healthcare for your family
4: Quality and healthy meals? Hope u know that vegetable oils arent healthy? U don price how mucn be origin virgin Olive oil? Cold process coconut oil? Etc. Healthy meals will finish that ur money bro. And u need healthy meals to live longer. The reason your politicians live longer: quality meals and quality healthcare. Initially, u can get that with ur 30m per year, but not anymore.
5: Quality and unlimited internet
6: ability to vacate at least once per year
7: Living in secured estate
8: able to afford pleasure.
etc.
Unfortunately, your friend cant achieve all of these with that income baba. Fueling his gen and car alone will eat up half of his money per month

ogascomax:
Cho cho cho won't work here. The article never included tax you just imported that in. How much is inverter that you can't do with such income. Like I said just say you want to live a life of luxury. They are places in Nigeria good places that you can take family and children to. Must you travel to Europe for a vacation. They are African countries you can go on vacation. It's all about planning and you cannot be travelling up and down.
If you compare by administration you can say inflation now is high but that does not mean that it has eating so much that you cannot be comfortable.
More than 75 percent of Nigerians don't have that amount yearly and that is what you are seeing as a small amount.
I hail you.

Baba, the problem with most black people is poor reading:
Also, politicians have made u believe u must suffer, manage life until u die
How much is inverter? Hahaha, bro, to get inverter to power at least two AC, such setup will cost u more than 10m. Your present spent 15b on solar setup. As usual, una go resort to manage life.
Read the article again, the article is talking about the reality of the current economy. It says, with 30m per year before, u can live a very comfortable luxury life, high standard of living.
But not anymore. U cant achieve such standard in today's economy. That is the point of the article.
Carry a wife, a husband and maybe two kids fly go to vacation to South Africa here, or morocco, and see if u wont burn more than 7m
Like I said, to live a high standard of life with such income now, u will struggle, unlike before, u wont struggle. That is the point.
And the fact that more than 70 percent of Nigerians dont see such money shows that naija is a very poor country, does not dismiss the fact of the notion.

Princedapace:
Your friend who earns 1.3m per month, let get started:
How much does he spend on fueling let say v6 engine ride per month?
how much does he spend on generator fueling to achieve at least 20 hours of electricity per month?
Answer these questions.
For a 73 liter engine V6 ride, let start from there first.
Like I said, u will live but u will struggle. Maybe u dont understand the meaning of struggle.
Infact under Buhari, 30m a year, u a big middle class. Today, 30m a year, u arent a middle class. Middle class now starts from way higher. I can tell u that. Like I said, u will need to cut down on your living standard to live with such income baba.
What is comfortable living?

1: 24/7 electricity
2: quality education for your family
3: Quality healthcare for your family
4: Quality and healthy meals? Hope u know that vegetable oils arent healthy? U don price how mucn be origin virgin Olive oil? Cold process coconut oil? Etc. Healthy meals will finish that ur money bro. And u need healthy meals to live longer. The reason your politicians live longer: quality meals and quality healthcare. Initially, u can get that with ur 30m per year, but not anymore.
5: Quality and unlimited internet
6: ability to vacate at least once per year
7: Living in secured estate
8: able to afford pleasure.
etc.
Unfortunately, your friend cant achieve all of these with that income baba. Fueling his gen and car alone will eat up half of his money per month

Which state are you from? Are you a Nigerian? In your state how many individuals have income of 30 million per annum? If your state is five million population there can not be 100k people probably much less earning that much as individuals. Not household income but individual income.

No civil servant can earn that much from salaries and a business man earning that much has a business worth hundreds of millions of naira not goods taken on credit o and not criminals hiding under one business address or name

In what country, tell me one country where it is normal to earn in one year what can build a well finished four bedroom apartment in that same country

lawani:
Which state are you from? Are you a Nigerian? In your state how many individuals have income of 30 million per annum? If your state is five million population there can not be 100k people probably much less earning that much as individuals. Not household income but individual income.

No civil servant can earn that much from salaries and a business man earning that much has a business worth hundreds of millions of naira not goods taken on credit o

What you said is just funny. How does that change the reality? Everyone knows that most in Nigeria are poor.
The question is 30m cant give u such standard of living now which wasnt the case before. that is the essence of this post.

Princedapace:
What you said is just funny. How does that change the reality? Everyone knows that most in Nigeria are poor.
The question is 30m cant give u such standard of living now which wasnt the case before. that is the essence of this post.

It depends on how you measure poverty. If someone's annual income can build a family house, should they be regarded as poor? Or they are not rich until they can buy a Tesla car with one year's salary? It all depends on your mentality

Princedapace:
Baba, the problem with most black people is poor reading:
Also, politicians have made u believe u must suffer, manage life until u die
How much is inverter? Hahaha, bro, to get inverter to power at least two AC, such setup will cost u more than 10m. Your present spent 15b on solar setup. As usual, una go resort to manage life.
Read the article again, the article is talking about the reality of the current economy. It says, with 30m per year before, u can live a very comfortable luxury life, high standard of living.
But not anymore. U cant achieve such standard in today's economy. That is the point of the article.
Carry a wife, a husband and maybe two kids fly go to vacation to South Africa here, or morocco, and see if u wont burn more than 7m
Like I said, to live a high standard of life with such income now, u will struggle, unlike before, u wont struggle. That is the point.
And the fact that more than 70 percent of Nigerians dont see such money shows that naija is a very poor country, does not dismiss the fact of the notion.

If you are to argue that such money can give you a luxury life prior to Tinubu administration I won't argue that with you. If you are comparing now and few years ago I still won't argue. If you said that the article only compare now and then I won't still debate that.
My only argument is that with that money you will also live a good life now. You won't spend 10 millionaire to give you an inverter that can power 2 AC's. They are AC's for inverter. You can only install inverter once.
While I agreed to your argument based on the article I also introduce my own take that with such amount most people will live a nice life, they will buy properties and even build house with such an amounts. That makes it a good amount too. An amount that 75 percent and more cannot earn makes it something good.

Princedapace:
Baba, the problem with most black people is poor reading:
Also, politicians have made u believe u must suffer, manage life until u die
How much is inverter? Hahaha, bro, to get inverter to power at least two AC, such setup will cost u more than 10m. Your present spent 15b on solar setup. As usual, una go resort to manage life.
Read the article again, the article is talking about the reality of the current economy. It says, with 30m per year before, u can live a very comfortable luxury life, high standard of living.
But not anymore. U cant achieve such standard in today's economy. That is the point of the article.
Carry a wife, a husband and maybe two kids fly go to vacation to South Africa here, or morocco, and see if u wont burn more than 7m
Like I said, to live a high standard of life with such income now, u will struggle, unlike before, u wont struggle. That is the point.
And the fact that more than 70 percent of Nigerians dont see such money shows that naija is a very poor country, does not dismiss the fact of the notion.

How do define a comfortable lifestyle?... Let start from here?

There's a way u'll look for money but only to realize u are just to slave to money...so accordingly to the op... How does him define a comfortable lifestyle?

lawani:
We have always had a low revenue to GDP challenge in Nigeria which is no longer serious now courtesy the current government but it is still there. Make comments only on things you have studied or that you have enough understanding of. There is no need for a first to comment competition or who makes the most comments competition and etc on all threads that you must participate in

The governments over the years have collected loans to fund infrastructural developments, how many have they achieved? Learn to make the government responsible instead of shifting goal post each time tou are shown that your point isn't sufficient.

tunapawizzy:
To live a good life? yes
To ball is a different matter

What do u mean by to ball?

30m is a huge money anyway in the world. Thats over 15k pounds .

If u have that kind money in ur account u should know how many years u saved that

lawani:
Who is this one? What about in the USA where you must tip when you buy things? Did they force you? In the US if you don't tip them, they will feel offended.

Also, it is more honourable to beg than to go into crime but it is better for everyone to be well paid and not depend on tips. If you can afford to buy a new TV on a whim, what is the big deal in giving a small amount of money as a tip?

At least you are proud example of Abegistan. 😂

mrvitalis:
Oya break it down less see
30 million is mere 20k dollars

Like 4 million 2015

Its like u from a wealthy home

Please cut down ur expenses

onyxo76:
you only mentioned food and fuel, what about other family responsibilities, extended family needs, health care, school fees, your personal project? maybe if you're single you might pull through but for a family, it's an uphill task, 2 days ago I filled my gas for 23k...what about monthly security levies etc...its not easy currently, that 15m you quoted na only on paper e dey exist, face market today with 200k and see how many things you'll be able to buy.

baba na me dey run things for market myself. U can comfortably buy four crates of egg 20k,gas as u mentioned 23k, say security levy- make we use 30/40k run am since that will be like an estate, health care - no be every month person dey sick na , even an adult with chronic illness can not spent up to 70k a month to buy the best of DM/hypertension/arthritis drug.
Even ur extended family needs , 100/200k per month is more than enough to settle anyone in Nigeria.
Baba how many even dey earn up to 12million naira in a year.not up to 3% of the population and people still save and enjoy themselves from the less than 1m per month salary.
30m a year is a cool cash for most of the citizens.u can say na chicken change for political class and dangote sha

fastseo:
Its like u from a wealthy home

Please cut down ur expenses

Do you understand what living comfortably means? No body saying you can't survive you can surely

But living comfortably? On 30 million a year? Not possible

mrvitalis:
Do you understand what living comfortably means? No body saying you can't survive you can surely

But living comfortably? On 30 million a year? Not possible

How much do you pay the over 50 year old PhD and MBA holders that work in your establishment per annum? Because I believe you know they are family heads.

mrvitalis:
95% Nigerians don't yes
But 30 million can't give you a good life in nigeria especially
1) you live in a big city
2) you are married with kids

Rent alone is 10 million for a good 3 bedroom flat in a good location

Good schools for kids minimum 10 million per year for 3 kids

30 million can't give you good life in Nigeria

U would struggle and live hand to mouth

Rich people with doings

OkanlawonB:
30M naira annually or 2.5M naira monthly is still a big money.
If this level of earnings is sustainable, you can afford to live fine not just surviving.

The guy knows what he's saying. He's just speaking ahead of time.

As things are now, even people stealing our money are shouting, because the FG purse is not enough for all of the existing looters and the new onboarding looters to keep looting.

Eventually you that's doing legit work and doing well for yourself will eventually be touched by this ravaging situation. History has such things on record.

ozo13:
baba na me dey run things for market myself. U can comfortably buy four crates of egg 20k,gas as u mentioned 23k, say security levy- make we use 30/40k run am since that will be like an estate, health care - no be every month person dey sick na , even an adult with chronic illness can not spent up to 70k a month to buy the best of DM/hypertension/arthritis drug.
Even ur extended family needs , 100/200k per month is more than enough to settle anyone in Nigeria.
Baba how many even dey earn up to 12million naira in a year.not up to 3% of the population and people still save and enjoy themselves from the less than 1m per month salary.
30m a year is a cool cash for most of the citizens.u can say na chicken change for political class and dangote sha

hmmm let me take you up on eggs, no place you wan see crate of egg 5k now, even for village, I stay in a semi urban area in osun state, cheapest egg crate na 6k ,very small size sef, you go dey vex buy am sef.

then concerning drugs, my father in law is both diabetic and hypertensive and his monthly medication is in the range of 21 to 23k depending on what they prescribed during his clinic appointment, now let me shock you, that amount is because he's using nhis which allow you to pay 10% of the total cost. of course a few of the drugs attract 50% of nhis, conclusion without nhis he will be spending close to 90k on just medication, what about those who have no health insurance? that's if he doesn't now develop another complication of his chronic sickness.

that your amount of 15m is OK if you're on your own, but once family don enter...na gbese o...ask your people wey just born recently how much dem spend on pampers now in a month, creche fees nko...I can go on and on...bros to live basic Life for this country na luxury.