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| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by Iran2025: 2:55pm On May 31 |
As the name implies they are separate programs and I don't see any need for comparison or merger. BSc should be BSc and HND should be HND 1 Like |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by Iamzik: 2:55pm On May 31 |
Another thread to debate which certificate is superior. Meanwhile both bsc and hnd graduates are bound by the same common denominator of struggle in an economy where a graduate has little hope of getting a job or becoming an entrepreneur I know many hnd guys that are doing great things and I know many bsc+masters that can't put food on their tables ......and vice versa Whatever track you choose learn a skill that can add value to the economy and change your story The future generation will not need paper certificate in the age of AI 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by OlujobaSamuel: 2:58pm On May 31 |
IamNat:The problem is from the introduction of HND, Nigeria is the only one running such system. 5yrs for HND is not making sense. Other countries with the diploma system leaves it at ND, which you get in 3yrs max, 2yrs lecture, 1yr intern. After the HND, Nigeria introduced a system of progression which is PGD, however, even with your PGD and MSc, some schools won't employ you, neither will they admit you for PhD, meaning you have to go start afresh for a BSc just to have PhD, despite having a MSc already. Because of capacity issues that govt is facing in respect to admission (all tertiary institutions COE, Polytechnics and Uni) can't admit more than 30 to 40% of jambites every year, they are not willing to shut down the HND system and leave on ND Lagos has shut down its Polytechnics and COE, all upgraded to University, and the lecturers were given a window to upgrade their qualifications for those that needed additional qualification to teach in a Uni That's the way to go, but our FG isn't interested in that for now 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by aestake: 2:59pm On May 31 |
Bluffly: 1 Like |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by Yampotatocarrot(m): 3:01pm On May 31 |
OlujobaSamuel:I've always wondered why they did this, but looking at the discrimination and your analysis, I think I get it now... If only other states can do the same also 1 Like |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by FreeStuffsNG: 3:03pm On May 31 |
LARRYOBRAIN:If you truly have both then you will not suggest it is discrimination. Nowhere in the world is a diploma equated with degree certificate. Diploma serves a completely different career path whereas degrees serve as foundation to all the way to PhD. Those who desire to pursue diploma should do so after appropriate counselling so that they will not equate HND diploma with university degree. It is so unreasonable in the first place when you want to convert a diploma degree holder with F in English language and 3 to 4 credits in O level to B.Sc with a minimum O level requirement of 5 credits. This is the main reason none of the top universities in Nigeria will be part of such dubious arrangement. It makes no sense! If you want university degree, you must meet the O level requirement and vetted by JAMB and admission program to run on the established format for degree programs instead of a seperate program not supervised by NUC. Will HND be in 400 level or 500 level ? Or 600 level? Where is their academic record from 300, 400? It is a fraud and no organization should accept certificate issued under that fraudulent 'conversion'. It is a fraud and every university administrator that has taken advantage of the misinformed HND holders should be arrested and prosecuted. |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by dododawa1: 3:06pm On May 31 |
Nigeria and education PhD,MASTERS holders cant invented small atom. 2 Likes |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by Plight21(f): 3:13pm On May 31*. Modified: 5:27am On Jun 01 |
TimiofAbuja:Exactly!! Can't we just get it right in this country? Why the Dichotomy? I'm a University graduate but I don't see the reason for the Dichotomy. 2 Likes |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by femi4: 3:17pm On May 31 |
Long overdue |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by MemoriesAndMe: 3:18pm On May 31 |
shogotermies:Its been like that historically in Nigeria. I had my OND from Federal Poly Ilaro, Ogun State in 2000 (26 years ago), my HND from Yaba College of Technologies, Lagos (YCT) in 2004 (22 years ago). I had seen what the discrimination happening to those that graduated before me around HND/BSc certs from employers in Nigeria and couldnt take it. I didnt even wait to do NYSC, I immediately left Nigeria for the US where I transfered most of my credits to Universities here and got my BSc and MSc from prestigious US Universities and have been working with my degrees in the US since then and can compete with anyone from any part of the world now with my educational and global professional experience. Fast forward till now, 2026, HND holders are still being sidelined in Nigeria. Why are polytechnics created when graduates from there have to worry about securing jobs, being promoted at the jobs etc? Why not make all institutions Universities then? Im not surprised at all. 50 years from now, there will still be that discrimination between both degrees in Nigeria because its been like that even before I was born. 7 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by eteebanky1: 3:37pm On May 31 |
But, there is no official statement from NUC. |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by frankson1(m): 3:38pm On May 31 |
Urgent1Million:This is your own definition. A student from the department of Welding and Fabrication Technology in PTI does the same CORE Welding courses with the student of FUTO, Owerri. The difference is the name nomenclature of the department. Welding and Fabrication for PTI and Metallurgy for FUTO 3 Likes |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by Vondoola: 3:40pm On May 31 |
Your question is right. However all the subject matter are geared towards engineering as the name implies. The real deal is that Technologist (HND) are innovative and practical evolutionists while Engineers (BSC) are meant to be researchers. For me that is the basic difference. Even in other countries we have Colleges issuing diplomas and degrees and so also goes for universities. Nigeria is too full of inferiority complexes in almost everything. Such so that they name a generator "i better pass my neighbor". udemzyudex: 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by kkonyeji(m): 3:45pm On May 31 |
I'm a proud graduate from the prestigious Federal Polytechnic, Mubi. I don't regret it, to the glory of God I'm feeding from it. 4 Likes |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by 1Alex: 3:50pm On May 31 |
Nastrademus:Gbam. |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by Allthingswork: 3:57pm On May 31*. Modified: 3:19am On Jun 07 |
Nastrademus:The emboldened text is why HND has been scrapped. " being " I'm simply catching cruise, oh. However, it's not going to happen. I'm talking of your last sentence. Why would they even? |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by Chukwudi4naija(m): 4:06pm On May 31 |
The dichotomy is from the admission process. It's harder to gain admission in the University than Polytechnic. Most graduates from Polytechnic settled for it because they couldn't be patient and persevere more for University admission, even when they are fully aware of the existing dichotomy. I almost fell into that trap, but my sponsor refused and encouraged me to strive harder. 1 Like |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by CodeTemplar: 4:11pm On May 31 |
udemzyudex:thats just convention. You may study same title in both but end as a technologist or engineer depending on where you study. |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by OgbeniOja1: 4:14pm On May 31 |
No wonder you don't know how to spell Polytechnic. Nastrademus: |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by 3Si69: 4:15pm On May 31 |
LARRYOBRAIN:You're smart, and I don’t think you’ll regret your decision. With an HND certificate, there are several jobs you may not be eligible for, even in some government recruitments and certain professional roles. I gained admission into Federal Polytechnic Offa with a friend, and after our ND programme I applied for Direct Entry and encouraged him to do the same, but he didn’t think it was necessary. After graduation, the job search started. I attended several interviews before eventually getting a job, while he couldn’t even apply for many opportunities due to qualification limits. It’s been over 6 years since I started working, I'm an IT Manager now he is still struggling to secure a stable job, with opportunities becoming fewer for him over time, which is why I believe a university degree generally gives wider access compared to an HND. I’ve tried several times to recommend him for the IT support role in our organisation, but management insisted that the minimum requirement is a B.Sc holder, so he couldn’t be considered and the pay for the first 6 months is ₦317,000. 4 Likes |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by LabStores: 4:23pm On May 31*. Modified: 4:57pm On May 31 |
Why won’t there be discrimination? If there is truly no difference between Polytechnic and University education, then why are the admission standards different in the first place? Why are the curricula, training structure, and academic expectations not the same? What are the cut-off marks for admission into Universities compared to Polytechnics? Imagine someone who gained admission into a University with a cut-off mark of 280 to study Engineering and spent 5-6 rigorous years earning a degree under highly comprehensive academic standards, being taught by Professors, Senior Lecturers, Researchers, and other seasoned professionals. University education is structured to be broader, deeper, and more research-oriented, with stronger emphasis on theory, innovation, and advanced academic exposure. Now compare that with someone who gained admission into a Polytechnic with 180 for ND, did one year IT (which, in many cases, is not even taken seriously), and then spent another two years for HND under Engineering academic structure and standard. Can we honestly say both followed the same academic pathway or were subjected to the same admission requirements, educational quality, lecturer exposure, and training intensity? This is not necessarily to insult Polytechnics or HND holders, because Polytechnics were originally designed to focus more on technical and practical training. However, the reality is that the educational systems were built differently from the beginning, and society, employers, and even government policies have treated them differently for years. So, pretending discrimination does not exist is simply ignoring reality. The real question is not whether discrimination exists, but whether it should continue despite the structural differences between both systems. Many polytechnic students did not originally choose the polytechnic path willingly. In many cases, they settled for it because they were unable to meet the admission requirements for universities. That is also one of the reasons why conversion programmes exist - to bridge the academic gap and place them on a level comparable to university graduates. In practice, when direct admission into postgraduate programmes such as Master's degrees is granted without such academic alignment, many polytechnic graduates struggle initially because the academic structure, training, and depth of exposure are often different from that of the university system. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT AS AN EDUCATIONIST. 1 Like 2 Shares |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by CodeTemplar: 4:26pm On May 31 |
MemoriesAndMe:Did they convert your HND to degree directly or allo you go for shorter degree program? |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by equity1(m): 4:39pm On May 31 |
Mandesz:READ........... Many employers in Nigeria have historically treated HND and BSc holders differently, especially in recruitment, promotion, and career progression. Because of this, thousands of polytechnic graduates enrolled in university conversion programmes to obtain bachelor’s degrees and improve their opportunities. |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by clockwisereport: 4:44pm On May 31 |
udemzyudex:Doctors and nurses both work in hospitals but they have different responsibilities. Engineers are like doctors; Technologists are like nurses. Engineers are trained to carry out the design of engineering systems; Technologists are trained to implement the designs by engineers Urgent1million's response is apt In engineering, we have engineers, Technologists, Technicians and craftsmen all with different responsibilities 1 Like |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by Eriokanmi: 4:53pm On May 31*. Modified: 5:10pm On May 31 |
This isn't even important. Everyone, either a degree or certificate holder should work on themselves and career. Certificates are worthless nowadays. Look for a lucrative course and upgrade yourself in it. Graduate with a good GPA. My brother's friend by the name Sesan graduated from Ibadan Poly with Distinction in Geology in 1997 but Chevron's requirement was a first class BSC when he applied. He saw the advert inside the guardian newspaper, Tuesday edition. I still remember very vividly. He didn't bother himself with the requirement and applied. Reluctantly, chevron invited him for an aptitude test which according to him, was a tough one. In the end, he floored all the BSc Holders and came first. Chevron threw away the results and repeated the advert. He saw it inside same paper and applied. There's a place where he used to go to read newspapers. He'd tip the vendor and he'd have access to a lot of them. To cut the long story short, he was shortlisted and invited again for an aptitude test. This time, he scored even higher and came first. They now invited him for an oral interview. It was during the interview he got to know all these, that they'd like to see that amazing HND Holder. He got the job. He was the first HND geology graduate Chevron would employ and they told him this. They said his outstanding performance thrilled them. After all, it's the best they were looking for. This man served in Chevron lagos for only one year after which he was sent to their Texas Facility. Today, hes on of their ogas there. 7 Likes |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by MemoriesAndMe: 5:08pm On May 31 |
CodeTemplar:No. My transcripts were evaluated and some courses that transferred were accepted. I took additional needed courses in a community college and transferred everything into a university and only had to do 2 years of course work to get my Bachelors. |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by SMT042(m): 5:12pm On May 31 |
TimiofAbuja:Shut up ! All over the world , HND to Bsc conversion is seamless without any noise, it's common in UK . Is Nigeria better than UK in education advancement? 1 Like |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by CodeTemplar: 5:22pm On May 31 |
MemoriesAndMe:Safe to conclude then that BSc and HND cant be equated. |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by Nehyooh(m): 5:24pm On May 31 |
TimiofAbuja:That's it, all those conversation na nonsense. HND holders can go for PGD and later proceed for Masters if they so wish. |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by Dalohad: 5:32pm On May 31 |
If you know how the current Minister of Education thinks, you will know why this is not surprising. As junior minister of health and a physician, he created a lot of problems in the health sector, trying to intimidate other health professionals in the health sector in favour of physicians. Breaking council laws with reckless abandon. He is also one of those trying make postgraduate diploma issued to resident physicians equal to PhD. He is also part of those who wrote the toxic health reform bills to make other licensed independent health professionals dependent on physicians and incapacitate their relevant council bodies. A proper Feudo-fascist who should never be allowed near power. Tunji Alausa is one of the reasons why many people want Tinubu out of power. He will destroy the health and education sector.. |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by LARRYOBRAIN(m): 5:41pm On May 31 |
I am happy for you, for taking the right decision, I suffered discrimination and I have to change it, I have my confidence anytime. The discrimination is so bad. Happy for you, congratulations. Both gives you and edge also 3Si69: 1 Like |
| Re: NUC Ban On HND To Bsc Conversion: What You Need To Know by LARRYOBRAIN(m): 5:48pm On May 31 |
You got it wrong, most universities are mushroom universities, it is the same o levels requirements for both institutions. Lack of admissions into universities and financial constraints make some students go for diploma courses. I attended Yabatech when it was a polytechnic, most universities don't have Yabatech standards.. Late President Yaradua signs non discrimination of HND and B. Sc. certificate in FG workplaces. FreeStuffsNG: |
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