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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m): 1:31pm On Jun 11
usmanpogo:
What exactly would you consider victory for the Iranians ?
Trump's IQ might be questionable but who do you think has lost more in this conflict ?
It is not about who lost more. What are America strategic objectives in this war? Has she achieved it? That is the key to your answer.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by FoolishBoy419: 1:35pm On Jun 11
23jerryking:
He's not a fool, he only makes people believe he's one, that's one thing I've been drumming into you guys ears. He's again and again managed to fool people who are supposedly clever. I don't know that tacts he usually employs. It seems to work almost all the time.
Until 2025, I had this theory too but now I believe the reverse is the case. His statements can make you think he's playing a complex game but his actions are all the clues you need. His tariffs, trade war with China, and aggression on Iran don't look like the actions of anybody with foresight. He's a buffon with excellent understanding of human psychology. Buhari was in many ways just like him
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m):
usmanpogo:
Were they really stealing oil from the Iranians ? I thought Trump was joking as usual
I don't believe 😂

Talo n'je omo aku warapa ni waju omo aku yan yan 😂
All these do not amount to victory or a strategic gain. Trump is just trying to make people think he is winning. He is trying to sell what is not there. None of the stated objectives of this war from the beginning has been achieved. From regime change to destruction of Iranian missile and drone capability to getting highly enriched Uranium.

This is just a sign of frustration from Trump. He won't get the total humiliating surrender he wants from the Iranians and the war will continue to remain unpopular back home. His republican base is already cracking, some republican senators joined the democrats trying to curb his war powers in the last vote that was held. He has sucked himself into a quagmire, It was meant to be a short war to decapitate Iran but there is no end in sight. No exist strategy and he does not want to appear weak or defeated.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16: 2:00pm On Jun 11
from what i can tell
there has been a prolonged naval battle underway since last night for the strait of hormuz

unsure when it will end but it will surely continue into next week

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m): 2:01pm On Jun 11
Trump :

We will Hit Iran Harder Tonight
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m): 2:11pm On Jun 11
FoolishBoy419:
Each time I think Trump is not a genius, i look at how he manages to fool supposedly educated people and change my mind
He is not a genius. We have to consider the desperation of the Iranians. I understand Iran is in dire need of sanctions relief and they thought the ferrocious response to America and Israel months ago would make Trump see that the only solution to this is a negotiated settlement that favours both parties but what is not clear to them is that the person they are dealing with sees this battle as a battle for his ego. He wants a total surrender from Iran to claim a win which he can sell to Americans and the world.

If Trump's frustration is what will make them do the needful then it is good. At times it is good when you learn the hard way
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 2:11pm On Jun 11
⚡Trump:

The United States will be hitting Iran (Whose Navy, Air Force, Radar, Anti Aircraft, and all other forms of Defense, together with most its offensive capability, are GONE!), VERY HARD TONIGHT.

At some point in the not too distant future, we will be taking Kharg Island, and other oil infrastructure points, and assume total control of their Oil and Gas Markets, much like we have with Venezuela, which is working out brilliantly for both Venezuela and the United States of America. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 2:12pm On Jun 11
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Alamkiir: 2:24pm On Jun 11
dermmy:
All these do not amount to victory or a strategic gain. Trump is just trying to make people think he is winning. He is trying to sell what is not there. None of the stated objectives of this war from the beginning has been achieved. From regime change to destruction of Iranian missile and drone capability to getting highly enriched Uranium.

This is just a sign of frustration from Trump. He won't get the total humiliating surrender he wants from the Iranians and the war will continue to remain unpopular back home. His republican base is already cracking, some republican senators joined the democrats trying to curb his war powers in the last vote that was held. He has sucked himself into a quagmire, It was meant to be a short war to decapitate Iran but imthere is no end in sight. No exist strategy and he does not want to appear weak or defeated.
🇮🇷🇺🇸 President Trump:

“It could be the greatest deal in history.

They could wave the white flag of surrender. They could say ‘we surrender, we surrender, we’re finished, we’ve had it, the United States is the greatest power, praise be to Allah!”

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16: 2:39pm On Jun 11
dermmy:
He is not a genius. We have to consider the desperation of the Iranians. I understand Iran is in dire need of sanctions relief and they thought the ferrocious response to America and Israel months ago would make Trump see that the only solution to this is a negotiated settlement that favours both parties but what is not clear to them is that the person they are dealing with sees this battle as a battle for his ego. He wants a total surrender from Iran to claim a win which he can sell to Americans and the world.

If Trump's frustration is what will make them do the needful then it is good. At times it is good when you learn the hard way
the reformists are st****d people

trump's mental capacity (or lack thereof) aside, the reformists are slow

they do not have a track record of making smart decisions
virtually every time the genocidal ghouls hit them prior to the 12d war, pezeshkian and co were pushing for no or limited/calibrated retaliation

they were the same people pushing for the ceasefire and loudly proclaiming that negotiations will solve every issue
they've also been the most ardent advocates that Iran does not need a nuke and will never get one
now their voices are quieter




the war never ended

they used the "ceasefire" to implement a blockade

now they're moving to the next stage of nightly strikes

like play, we will soon hear they've captured one island

while the realtors have been exchanging meaningless messages with dumb and dumber
slowly cooking the frogs while sharing fanciful bs like loans instead of unfreezing and $300b reconstruction funds

the irgc surprised them with the response during the 40d hot war
so they recalibrated and sought to exploit the f0011shness of the reformists

if someone asks the ghalibaf-araghchi pair what they have gained from the useless talks they've been engaged in
and that they imposed on the entire country
what would be their response?

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by LordAdam16: 2:53pm On Jun 11
let us not forget that it was pezeshkian that came out unilaterally to announce that iran would stop attacking the gulf countries
he said this in the period between the assassination of khamenei i and before the ascension of khamenei ii, when he was part of the triad ruling power comprising of the president, ayatollah alireza, and chief justice e'jei
it was that declaration that forced the irgc to push for khamenei ii to be installed as supreme leader to end the triumvirate

imagine how much different this war would have been if iran didn't hit gulf territory

the reformists are a trojan horse

everything they push or advocate for goes to sh*t

from not getting a nuke to this negotiation
it is a disturbing pattern

-Lord
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 3:49pm On Jun 11
WriteerNg:


World Cup of Chaos.

I never see this kind thing for my life before.

Players, officials, fans, even managers are being denied visas. Dem fit even grant you visa today, change mind tommorow afternoon, deny you on the last minute.

Some players were detained and thoroughly interrogated for 12 hrs. Their phones and gadgets seized.

Omo make FIFA just pause am, reschedule am next year. No be by force e must happen this year.
That why one said Netherlands will win the world cup
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 3:56pm On Jun 11
WriteerNg:
⚡Chinese Foreign Ministry:

While paying lip service to peace and defense, Japan is actually speeding down the path of remilitarization by ramping up military expenditure, easing the export of lethal weapons, advancing the deployment of intermediate and long-range missiles, developing offensive military capability, hoarding sensitive nuclear materials, promoting the revision of its pacifist constitution, and even advocating that Japan should become a war-capable nation.

In fact, Japan has torn off the mask of a pacifist country all by itself. The international community must stay on high alert and should never allow Japanese militarism to return and menace the world again.

Why is China in panic over small Japan increase in military funding it looks like the beating they got from Japan in the past is still traumatic to them lol

Common China you can do better than this relax and calm down
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by 23jerryking(m): 3:57pm On Jun 11
FoolishBoy419:
Until 2025, I had this theory too but now I believe the reverse is the case. His statements can make you think he's playing a complex game but his actions are all the clues you need. His tariffs, trade war with China, and aggression on Iran don't look like the actions of anybody with foresight. He's a buffon with excellent understanding of human psychology. Buhari was in many ways just like him
Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣. We would be way better than this if Bubari was anything close to him, not even a quarter 😀😀. Bubari? Such a waste of an existence.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 4:20pm On Jun 11
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 4:22pm On Jun 11
23jerryking:
He's not a fool, he only makes people believe he's one, that's one thing I've been drumming into you guys ears. He's again and again managed to fool people who are supposedly clever. I don't know that tacts he usually employs. It seems to work almost all the time.


You're very correct.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 4:25pm On Jun 11
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 4:25pm On Jun 11
⚡Capturing Kharg Island has long been viewed by senior Trump administration officials as a last-resort “endgame” option.

Military plans to seize the island were developed months ago but repeatedly set aside because of the high risks involved.

Officials believe that capturing the island—or destroying its energy infrastructure—could cripple Iran’s economy by cutting off a major source of oil export revenue and significantly weakening its ability to continue the war.

However, they have also warned Trump that such an operation would likely require a large ground force and could lead to heavy US casualties.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 4:26pm On Jun 11
⚡Iran announces full closure of the Strait of Hormuz, suspending all transit permits effective immediately. Vessels with existing permits told to hold position and await further instructions.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 4:27pm On Jun 11
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 4:30pm On Jun 11
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m): 4:35pm On Jun 11
[quote author=WriteerNg post=139686002]]..... Cho cho cho. Go and do it. Trying to appear strong. You are in a quagmire bro Trump.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 4:37pm On Jun 11
The United States will be hitting Iran (Whose Navy, Air Force, Radar, Anti Aircraft, and all other forms of Defense, together with most its offensive capability, are GONE!), VERY HARD TONIGHT. At some point in the not too distant future, we will be taking Kharg Island, and other oil infrastructure points, and assume total control of their Oil and Gas Markets, much like we have with Venezuela, which is working out brilliantly for both Venezuela and the United States of America. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP

( TS: Jun 11 2026, 8:22 AM ET )
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 4:50pm On Jun 11
dermmy:
It is not about who lost more. What are America strategic objectives in this war? Has she achieved it? That is the key to your answer.
You just like proving as if you know something, you obviously understand not a single thing.
What are America's stated objectives in this war?
If it still getting too hard for you to comprehend, regime change has already happened. It may not have happened in the way you want and expect it, but it has already happened. How?
The killing of Khamenei, the thread that holds them all together is the main thing.
The IRGC and the political arm of the Iranian govt are now running separate govts. That is a fact, whether you admit it or not. When a military has been perfectly decimated and separated from the political arm, what is left is for splinter groups that will be looking for relevance within who controls the few resources left and who has leverage.

Ghalibaf, who happens to be the mouthpiece of the political arm also has military background. Some sections within the IRGC will definitely follow him.
Vahidi will also have his own followers. Other generals who don't like Vahidi will also break off.
Take it or not, Iran will effectively become another Libya where no central authority controls anything meaningful but are fighting one another to stay at the top.

When this happens, US will only take a step back and watch from afar.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 4:52pm On Jun 11
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 4:52pm On Jun 11
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 4:53pm On Jun 11
When Iran has been finished, Turkey is the next meal on the menu as far as middle East is concerned.

Apparently, it has been exposed that Turkey has been secretly arming Pakistan to wage war against India. India has found out and is now openly arming all the enemies of Turkey such as Armenia, Greece and Cyprus.

Who is selling popcorn? 😂🍿🍿
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 4:54pm On Jun 11
⚡Iran is moving to add all Musk-linked assets in the Middle East including Starlink ground stations and SpaceX infrastructurem to its military target list, per Fars.

Sites in Israel, Qatar, Jordan, the UAE, and Oman reportedly under review.

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 5:10pm On Jun 11
⚡Iran's Ghalibaf:

Wrong strategies and impulsive decisions will reset the entire board for the worse, explode energy infrastructure and markets and create an endless quagmire that you will be stuck in for years.

You will see a different Iran.

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 5:11pm On Jun 11
⚡Pentagon on lockdown with hazmat teams responding to a "hazardous materials incident," multiple floors and corridors evacuated — CNN

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