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UncleAyo:
I want you to read this interesting fact from the below.

We have read it what did you want to bring out

Take it to your alfa if you don't understand common English. I've passed by message already, your decision to fake ignorance is non of my business.

Expanse2020:
We have read it what did you want to bring out

No need to tell them.
Yes. Allah mentions several times in the Quran that some people become so entrenched in disbelief that no amount of reasoning, warning, or evidence will make them believe unless Allah wills.

One of the clearest verses is:

﴿إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا سَوَاءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ أَأَنْذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنذِرْهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ﴾

“Indeed, those who disbelieve, it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.”

Source: The Quran

The next verse explains why:

﴿خَتَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ وَعَلَىٰ سَمْعِهِمْ﴾

“Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing…”

Source: The Quran

Another powerful example is:

﴿إِنَّ الَّذِينَ حَقَّتْ عَلَيْهِمْ كَلِمَةُ رَبِّكَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ ۝ وَلَوْ جَاءَتْهُمْ كُلُّ آيَةٍ﴾

“Indeed, those upon whom the word of your Lord has come into effect will not believe, even if every sign were to come to them.”

Source: The Quran

And Allah instructed the Prophet ﷺ:

﴿فَذَكِّرْ إِنَّمَا أَنْتَ مُذَكِّرٌ ۝ لَسْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ بِمُصَيْطِرٍ﴾

“So remind. You are only a reminder. You are not a controller over them.”

Source: The Quran

The lesson is that your duty is to convey the truth with wisdom and patience. Guidance of hearts belongs to Allah alone. Even the Prophet ﷺ could not make every person believe despite presenting the clearest proofs. Allah says:

﴿إِنَّكَ لَا تَهْدِي مَنْ أَحْبَبْتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ﴾

“Indeed, you do not guide whom you love, but Allah guides whom He wills.”

Source: The Quran

Galapagous:
They obviously are not Muslim, just a mean to cause fraction between two groups. Every man has a price, poverty is a great weapon to control a man. The poverty level where these bandit/terrorist came from is enough. A rational thinking individual know this, media itself is a complicit.

Imagine two story "unknown gunmen/bandit ravage a village" vs "some Islamic terrorist ravage a village". The former pin the crime on the individual, promoting peace while capturing the culprit. The later if ran long enough pin the issue on the group, therefore causing the very thing we see right now.

Once you see this, you understand how media propaganda work.

Peace.

One wreck havoc screaming,"Sit-at-Home, Kanu must be free!"
The other go on killing spree screaming, "Allah Akbar!"
Do we still need an interpreter to decipher these things?!
Ok fine I get it: Anyone can scream anything to conceal their intentions.
But watch the pattern when Govt come hard on these criminals...
Unknown Gunmen, South East Politicians says "They're freedom fighters!"
Bandits/Bokoharam, Islamic clerics says "They're our brothers, An attack on Bokoharam is an attack on the North!"

CorrectionFLuid:
But are they Muslims? Yes

Are their ravages done in the name of Islam? Yes

Did their original founder live that way? Yes

Did he encourage them to live that way? Yes

Did Islam reach the ravagers forefathers that way? Yes

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So no one painted Islam black in people's minds, rather people with functioning minds saw the black in Islam.

I do hope you know that boko Haram do receive aid from USA.
It's a public record. Same as ISIS and the like. Hilary Clinton confirmed this on live TV. Same as all other us former officials.

Every individual have their reason for taking action. The old oyo sell their fellow people as slave, not because it's in their culture.

SporaD8:
One wreck havoc screaming,"Sit-at-Home, Kanu must be free!"
The other go on killing spree screaming, "Allah Akbar!"
Do we still need an interpreter to decipher these things?!

Don’t mind the useless people jare. One sees himself as a “freedom fighter “ to liberate their people from the shackles of oppression. The other one sees himself as a “jihadist”, to make the whole world accept their religion by fire and by force.

Tell me how both of them are the same ? Even though I am not in support of any of the above two groups, it is quite obvious that the latter is doing their own for “religious reasons”, and here is the WORSE part, The former still cause their wahala within the confines of their region, but the LATTER has started penetrating every nook and cranny of Nigeria.

We never heard of these cases in the SW region before, but because we all choose to look the other way, they are now penetrating. WE ALL MUST COME TOGETHER AS ONE TO STOP THIS MENACE. I repeat, every religious leader should condemn all these atrocities OPENLY and even in social media, if truly they aren’t in support of it

DeltaBachelor:
Just one case out of the thousands of cases recorded. Please try to have some shame abeg. I am not saying all Muslims are terrorists, but it is quite obvious that ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS. Talk to your religious leaders to preach love, and not for them to be doing MEDIATOR for BOKO-HARAM.

Nonsense !

Those who kidnapped the pastor in the name of fulanis bandit
are they terrorist or or not
Those who for e ppl to sit at home and killing some ppl in south
they terrorist or or not
Those who see two ppl fighting in platue and just one of them is fulanis and they Lynch him burnt Hausa, fulanis and their market
they terrorist or or not
Kindly answers for his questions

WHEN THEY OPENED QURAN AND RECITE IT BEFORE SLAUGHTERING HUMANS YOU KEPT QUIET.

You didn't put up write up. When Siltan of Sokoto the head of Islam advocated for boko haram. Where were you?

Oga they are yours

adeoyekay:
Hypocrisy, you are saying this now because they have extended their killing to Moslem, I could remember when Boko are killing Christian then, some Muslim were enjoying it

IT IS YOUR PASTORS THAT ARE SPONSORING BANDITS AND KIDNAPPERS PLUS BOKOHARAM

SHOUTING ALLAH AKBAR DOES NOT IMPLY ISLAM

CHECK THESE BIBLE VERSES old and nonsense new testament

1. Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests: (Deuteronomy 17:12)
2. Kill Witches: (Exodus 22:17)
3. Kill Homosexuals: (Leviticus 20:13)
4. Kill Fortunetellers: (Leviticus 20:27)
5. Death for Hitting Dad: (Exodus 21:15)
6. Death for Cursing Parents: (Proverbs 20:20) & (Leviticus 20:9)
7. Death for Adultery: (Leviticus 20:10)
8. Death for Fornication: (Leviticus 21:9)
9. Death to Followers of Other ReligionssadExodus 22:19)
10. Kill Nonbelievers: (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
11. Kill False Prophets: (Zechariah 13:3)
12. Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God: (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
13. Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night: (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
14. Kill Followers of Other Religions: (Deuteronomy 13:7-12) & (Deuteronomy 17:2-5)
15. Death for Blasphemy: (Leviticus 24:10-16)
16. Kill False Prophets: (Deuteronomy 13:1-5) & (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)
17. Infidels and Gays Should Die: (Romans 1:24-32)
18. Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle: (Numbers 1:48-51)
19. Kill People for Working on the Sabbath: (Exodus 31:12-15)
20. Kill Brats: (2 Kings 2:23-24)
21. God Kills the Curious: (1Samuel 6:19-20)
22. Killed by a Lion: (1 Kings 20:35-36)
23. Killing the Good Samaritan: (2 Samuel 6:3-7)
24. Kill Sons of Sinners: (Isaiah 14:21)
25. God Will Kill Children: (Hosea 9:11-16)
26. Kill Men, Women, and Children: (Ezekiel 9:5-7)
27. God Kills all the First Born of Egypt: (Exodus 12:29-30)

The Islamic jihadists are Muslims but extremists, they got their motivations and encouragement from the sharia law.

Was Usman Danfodio a Muslim?
Why do these terrorists shout Allah akbar when they kill?
Why are they always referred to as a sect in Islam?
Why are they always led by a respected Islamic leader or sheik?
Why is it that the general Muslim population don't talk against the terrorist attacks openly.
The terrorists are not Muslims but when they succeed in winning a territory, they are celebrated.
Christians are yet to see the peace u preach.

Hussein035:
IT IS YOUR PASTORS THAT ARE SPONSORING BANDITS AND KIDNAPPERS PLUS BOKOHARAM

SHOUTING ALLAH AKBAR DOES NOT IMPLY ISLAM

CHECK THESE BIBLE VERSES old and nonsense new testament

1. Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests: (Deuteronomy 17:12)
2. Kill Witches: (Exodus 22:17)
3. Kill Homosexuals: (Leviticus 20:13)
4. Kill Fortunetellers: (Leviticus 20:27)
5. Death for Hitting Dad: (Exodus 21:15)
6. Death for Cursing Parents: (Proverbs 20:20) & (Leviticus 20:9)
7. Death for Adultery: (Leviticus 20:10)
8. Death for Fornication: (Leviticus 21:9)
9. Death to Followers of Other ReligionssadExodus 22:19)
10. Kill Nonbelievers: (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
11. Kill False Prophets: (Zechariah 13:3)
12. Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God: (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
13. Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night: (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
14. Kill Followers of Other Religions: (Deuteronomy 13:7-12) & (Deuteronomy 17:2-5)
15. Death for Blasphemy: (Leviticus 24:10-16)
16. Kill False Prophets: (Deuteronomy 13:1-5) & (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)
17. Infidels and Gays Should Die: (Romans 1:24-32)
18. Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle: (Numbers 1:48-51)
19. Kill People for Working on the Sabbath: (Exodus 31:12-15)
20. Kill Brats: (2 Kings 2:23-24)
21. God Kills the Curious: (1Samuel 6:19-20)
22. Killed by a Lion: (1 Kings 20:35-36)
23. Killing the Good Samaritan: (2 Samuel 6:3-7)
24. Kill Sons of Sinners: (Isaiah 14:21)
25. God Will Kill Children: (Hosea 9:11-16)
26. Kill Men, Women, and Children: (Ezekiel 9:5-7)).
27. God Kills all the First Born of Egypt: (Exodus 12:29-30)

It is funny how all the verses you quoted are from THE OLD TESTAMENT( the Judaic /Mosaic law ). In case you don’t know Oga, Christ came to abolish those laws. His gospel is centered around LOVE ( love your Neighbour as yourself). It was even for this same reason that God sent His only begotten son to die for our sake that we may be free.

If you love me as your neighbor, you won’t kill me because I practice another doctrine or religion. Talk to your leaders. Let them embrace love and peace. There should be UNITY even in DIVERSITY.

Shalom !

Op, why did you ignore the fierce and violent parts of the Quran? You only selected the parts 99% of you don't practice

no amount of shalaye you want give us, they are all Muslims period.

They are Muslims and they represent Islam, don't be silly. No amount of whitewashing can change that fact.
Are they Christians? Do they represent Buddhist?
People don wise up.

the chibok girsl that was kidnapped were they christain? imaging if those girsl were christain

adeoyekay:
Hypocrisy, you are saying this now because they have extended their killing to Moslem, I could remember when Boko are killing Christian then, some Muslim were enjoying it

All Muslim are bandit they all this bandit are the real Muslim because they are doing the work of Allah any Muslim who as not kill before is not a real Muslim or as not have assess to gun that why he/she have not kill
I rest my case

DeltaBachelor:
Na you sabi the one wey you dey talk so. Like I said , YOUR LEADERS IN RELIGIOUS CENTRES SHOULD CONDEMN EVERY FORM OF BANDITRY AND TERRORISM . Only then can I take them seriously, not posting or tweeting and deleting tweet after some hours. That shows hypocrisy and self-centredness .

What do the terrorists shout before opening fire and killing people ? Do they chant “ JESUS CHRIST IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR, accept him “ , or do they shout the other one ? See guy , I know of hunger ravaging the land, and I also know that it is a tool used by those leaders I mentioned to create chaos and anarchy. A hungry northern Muslim child can be easily brainwashed to commit crime compared to his Christian southern counterparts.. TALK TO YOUR LEADERS. Let them spread the gospel of love

Glad you acknowledged the known. Leader too can be bought too and I am not ignoring the fact that these people come from a fraction. But there is a bigger scheme ongoing, treading this your path won't solve the main issue, rather than see the innocent Muslim get harm, while the ones paid to commit these crime roam in the bush.

There was this Abuja dancing pastor who raped a minor some week back. He is a leader and leader too are human with independent thought.

Peace.

Expanse2020:
did you read the news at ..
It is on this Nairaland they post it here that fulani kidnap a reverend which later turn to members of the church 🤣🤣🤣 you this pppl you don't have a single truth oo

The question you should be asking is:

1. Those who kidnapped the reverend, did they do it shouting Jesus is Lord

2. Did they do it claiming that it was ordained on them to do so to spread Christianity

3. Were they convinced that even if they were caught and killed that they will be assured of making heaven cos they were only following the tenets of Christianity

Lukgaf:
One accusation frequently made in Nigeria is that bandits are Muslims and that what they do represents Islam.

But I ask: How can they be Muslims?

I have seen in many videos that some of them rely on charms and juju so that bullets will not penetrate them which is considered Shirk in Islam.

Allah says:

"Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating partners with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills." (Qur'an 4:48)

How can they be Muslims?

Many of them consume hard drugs and intoxicants.

Yet the Prophet ﷺ taught that every intoxicant is forbidden.

How can they be Muslims?

Some of them kill innocent people indiscriminately.

Yet Allah says:

"Whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah's wrath and curse are upon him, and He has prepared for him a great punishment." (Qur'an 4:93)

And the Prophet ﷺ said:

"The destruction of the whole world is lighter in the sight of Allah than the unlawful killing of a Muslim."

How can they be Muslims?

Some of them commit zina and violate the honour of women in captivity.

When Allah has prescribed severe punishment for fornication and adultery, how can those who perpetrate such acts claim to represent Islam?

How can they be Muslims?

Some steal wealth, extort ransom, rustle cattle, and spread fear throughout society.

Yet Allah says:

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption on earth is that they be executed, or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off on opposite sides, or be exiled from the land." (Qur'an 5:33)

How can they be Muslims?

Some attack mosques and kill Muslims themselves. They have kidnapped Islamic scholars and ordinary Muslims alike. They have burnt villages, displaced families, and left many children orphaned.

How then can they be said to be preaching Islam?

No religion should be judged by the actions of those who violate its teachings. If a Christian commits armed robbery, we do not say Christianity teaches robbery. Likewise, Islam should not be judged by people who openly rebel against its commandments.

Islam stands for peace, justice, mercy, and security. These criminals represent only themselves and their evil desires.

May Allah protect our land from their evil, guide those among them who can still be guided, and bring swift justice upon those who persist in corruption and bloodshed.

Āmīn.

Absolutely they are never and can never representing Islam in anyway for person that has his senses working, except a person of the lowest intellectual standing, and person who lacks the capacity to develop beyond the mental age.

JazzakaLlau kair brotherly.

Galapagous:
Glad you acknowledged the known. Leader too can be bought too and I am not ignoring the fact that these people come from a fraction. But there is a bigger scheme ongoing, treading this your path won't solve the main issue, rather than see the innocent Muslim get harm, while the ones paid to commit these crime roam in the bush.

There was this Abuja dancing pastor who raped a minor some week back. He is a leadernand leader too are human with independent.

Peace.

But I won’t see that pastor now and say he is not a Christian. I would rather say he is a dubious person and pray that he changes his ways and allow the law to prevail. Rather than shift the blame, why say terrorist are not Muslims when
It is obvious what their ideology is. No time to shift blame. We all have to tackle this collectively. If you are a Muslim, talk to your leaders , if I am a Christian, I do the same.

No need to condone evil because of religion. That’s what they want. Call a spade a spade, so that Nigeria will be better for us all and our unborn generation.

E.O.D !

Galapagous:
I do hope you know that boko Haram do receive aid from USA.
It's a public record. Same as ISIS and the like. Hilary Clinton confirmed this on live TV. Same as all other us former officials.

Every individual have their reason for taking action. The old oyo sell their fellow people as slave, not because it's in their culture.

So why is it only Muslims that can be easily recruited by the so called sponsors of terrorism? Doesn't it speak less of the religion if it's adherents can be easily swayed to carry out heinous and hideous crimes against humanity with little incentives?

A religion that beheads people for been drunk
And praise the beheader as doing their gods work

Expanse2020:
did you read the news at ..
It is on this Nairaland they post it here that fulani kidnap a reverend which later turn to members of the church 🤣🤣🤣 you this pppl you don't have a single truth oo

That's an exception.

And as they say, the exception proves the point.

This argument is invalid jor. People with various religious affiliations use Cham, hard drugs, and engage in various criminalities. But you know that the terrorists/bandits that are wrecking Nigeria are majorly 99% mulisms extremists. Infact, the terrorism telnet was seed in them through false/true (Idk) Islamic teachings.

Scenario that proves islam is a violent religion is...

The fact that atiku of all people deleted his tweets in other not to offend Muslims after the Keeling of Deborah shows how islam supports violence.

The fact that there were lawyers, not just one, but about 23 of them came out to defend the people that keeled Deborah shows how bad Islam is.

The fact that an islamic cleric will come out open and declare 2m to anyone who will keel someone for insulting their prophet and. O other cleric came out to condemn him tells you everything you need to know abt islam.

The fact that a bandits and terrorists will show their pictures of Salah and Ramadan celebrations on social and there was no outrage from the general Muslims condemning such. Tells you all you need to know.

Muric and other Muslims bodies barked and shouted on social media when a Nigerian artist used islamic background for his music video. Falz was also attached by Muslims when he did a music video with some of his dancers in hijab. But no Muslims ever come out to seriously condemn bandits and boko haram continuously releasing pictures of them performing their Salah celebration.

If you apply the law of deductions, on islam, islam is a violent religion cos that is one of the main fruits of been a Muslim...

But they actually call that they are Muslim and identity themselves as such, or should I say they I christian or African religion while them themselves said otherwise?
Be sincere to yourself body.

They are Muslims because they are doing what their prophet commanded which is to make enemies with Christians and Jews and fight them

Lukgaf:
One accusation frequently made in Nigeria is that bandits are Muslims and that what they do represents Islam.

But I ask: How can they be Muslims?

I have seen in many videos that some of them rely on charms and juju so that bullets will not penetrate them which is considered Shirk in Islam.

Allah says:

"Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating partners with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills." (Qur'an 4:48)

How can they be Muslims?

Many of them consume hard drugs and intoxicants.

Yet the Prophet ﷺ taught that every intoxicant is forbidden.

How can they be Muslims?

Some of them kill innocent people indiscriminately.

Yet Allah says:

"Whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah's wrath and curse are upon him, and He has prepared for him a great punishment." (Qur'an 4:93)

And the Prophet ﷺ said:

"The destruction of the whole world is lighter in the sight of Allah than the unlawful killing of a Muslim."

How can they be Muslims?

Some of them commit zina and violate the honour of women in captivity.

When Allah has prescribed severe punishment for fornication and adultery, how can those who perpetrate such acts claim to represent Islam?

How can they be Muslims?

Some steal wealth, extort ransom, rustle cattle, and spread fear throughout society.

Yet Allah says:

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption on earth is that they be executed, or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off on opposite sides, or be exiled from the land." (Qur'an 5:33)

How can they be Muslims?

Some attack mosques and kill Muslims themselves. They have kidnapped Islamic scholars and ordinary Muslims alike. They have burnt villages, displaced families, and left many children orphaned.

How then can they be said to be preaching Islam?

No religion should be judged by the actions of those who violate its teachings. If a Christian commits armed robbery, we do not say Christianity teaches robbery. Likewise, Islam should not be judged by people who openly rebel against its commandments.

Islam stands for peace, justice, mercy, and security. These criminals represent only themselves and their evil desires.

May Allah protect our land from their evil, guide those among them who can still be guided, and bring swift justice upon those who persist in corruption and bloodshed.

Āmīn.

They're forbidden to kill a believer but permitted to kill an unbeliever right since an unbeliever is an animal and not human right, they're not Muslim but shouts allahu akbar whenever they slaughter and test their charms with guns? Your brain needs to be put a factory reset mode. What religion promote violence in this advance age with lots of exposure? Human life matters and irrespective of ones beliefs,we need to show to one another no matter the color cos we all belong to the same race,a human race.

Lukgaf:
One accusation frequently made in Nigeria is that bandits are Muslims and that what they do represents Islam.

But I ask: How can they be Muslims?

I have seen in many videos that some of them rely on charms and juju so that bullets will not penetrate them which is considered Shirk in Islam.

Allah says:

"Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating partners with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills." (Qur'an 4:48)

How can they be Muslims?

Many of them consume hard drugs and intoxicants.

Yet the Prophet ﷺ taught that every intoxicant is forbidden.

How can they be Muslims?

Some of them kill innocent people indiscriminately.

Yet Allah says:

"Whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah's wrath and curse are upon him, and He has prepared for him a great punishment." (Qur'an 4:93)

And the Prophet ﷺ said:

"The destruction of the whole world is lighter in the sight of Allah than the unlawful killing of a Muslim."

How can they be Muslims?

Some of them commit zina and violate the honour of women in captivity.

When Allah has prescribed severe punishment for fornication and adultery, how can those who perpetrate such acts claim to represent Islam?

How can they be Muslims?

Some steal wealth, extort ransom, rustle cattle, and spread fear throughout society.

Yet Allah says:

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption on earth is that they be executed, or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off on opposite sides, or be exiled from the land." (Qur'an 5:33)

How can they be Muslims?

Some attack mosques and kill Muslims themselves. They have kidnapped Islamic scholars and ordinary Muslims alike. They have burnt villages, displaced families, and left many children orphaned.

How then can they be said to be preaching Islam?

No religion should be judged by the actions of those who violate its teachings. If a Christian commits armed robbery, we do not say Christianity teaches robbery. Likewise, Islam should not be judged by people who openly rebel against its commandments.

Islam stands for peace, justice, mercy, and security. These criminals represent only themselves and their evil desires.

May Allah protect our land from their evil, guide those among them who can still be guided, and bring swift justice upon those who persist in corruption and bloodshed.

Āmīn.

No true Muslim argument. They on the other hand would point at you and say you aren't a true Muslim. It is a self-defeating argument.

This is what you have to say! People are being maimed, murdered, raped, kidnapped and butchered and this is all you have to say. You should have remained silent instead of trying to defend the indefensible