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Emusan:
He has run away from the post he was asked to address.

My simple questions are:

1. How do you honor Jehovah?

2. Are you Honoring Jesus JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

All the verses you quoted never mentioned HONORING anyone JUST AS you honor Jehovah.

Emusan:
With your disjointed sentences.

With the number of years you've spent on Nairaland, you still don't know how to properly items your points in a clear and readable way.

So, where did you see BY that you always inserted into Rev 3:14 to make it read '...the beginning of the Creation BY God'?

This is another evidence that you always injecting into God's word as it suits you.

By the way, see the screenshot below for the meaning of the word ARCHE as used in Rev 3:14. I know the reason you ran away from Biblehub this time around is because ti doesn't suit your narrative.

Oga, upgrade your comprehension skills if you love yourself.
The beginning of God's creation"
is the the same meaning as
" the beginning of the creation by God."

The creation is attributed to the God Almighty.
@Rev 3:14,The creation is NOT attributed to Jesus.

Emusan:
By the way, see the screenshot below for the meaning of the word ARCHE as used in Rev 3:14. I know the reason you ran away from Biblehub this time around is because ti doesn't suit your narrative.


See the attached screenshot for the meaning of ARCHE.

You dubiously ran away from Biblehub this time because ti exposed your lies



This is how you have been quoting Rev 3:14
"Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God"

Which is the same way NWT also put it.

Now, where did you and the translator of NWT see the word BY in Revelation?

You don't know you just exposed your organization the more.



So, where did (OR BY) come from?


The screenshot attached proves that the word ARCHE means RULER, CHIEF, ORIGIN

So, come with another lie, I'm here to debunk them all

Your screenshot says Arkhe meaning " Commencement".Beginning.
Oga, deceiving himself, what is the meaning of Commencement",Beginning?
In Emusan screenshot, Arkhe meaning Chief (First )
Jesus is first/chief of Creation of/by God, Rev 3:14.
A Chief must be part & parcel of the group where he is Chief.
Therefore,Jesus is the first creature of God.




2nd Question for you.
Is Commencement the same meaning as Ruler?

If your claim is not spurious, can you bring any other verse where John wrote ARKHE to mean Ruler?

You can't at all.

You just want to deceive yourself.

Emusan:
Without Him(Jesus) NOTHING was CREATED.

ALL THINGS were CREATED by Jesus


So, come with another lie, I'm here to debunk them all

Emusan:
IN THE BEGINNING God created the Heavens and the Earth.

You can't spin this.

.

Emusan:
Repeating this lie won't make it truth and against God's word and history.

Jesus died on the CROSS, how can you say Jesus NEVER DIED?

or You mean Jesus will never DIE AGAIN?

Emusan:
So, who is that ANCESTOR?

Ancestor means the same NATURE.

Are you an Ancestor to a Goat or Pig?

It's not SENIOR again

Emusan:
Someone who died on the cross!

Is your brain paining you



Meaning of first born is POSITION/HIGH RANK not FIRST CREATED.

Janosky:
Oga, are you willing to learn,relearn & unlearn?

Is Yahweh a first born at any time ?
No.

Oga,what happened before Jesus BECAME the firstborn from the dead" @Colossians 1:18?
Jesus died & was the first resurrected never to die again.

What happened BEFORE Jesus BECAME the first born of every creature of God @ Collosians 1:15?
Jesus himself is first creature of God.
Yahweh our heavenly Ancestor (Father) created Jesus his firstborn Son.

David was appointed first born.
Was David a creature ?
Yes

Anything Jesus received corresponds with the experience he underwent.

Janosky:
God the Father is your ancestor means the same Nature you have ?

This guy self.

You are on your own

Janosky:
Nah you write am there "multiple times to distort God's word?"
Just asking you,pls reply .

Is the same word OTHER inserted in your own Bible at Luke 13:2 ?

Have you Removed OTHER from your own Bible at Luke 13:2?
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
go and rest jare. [/b]

Janosky:
This guy self.
Pls don't post anything you don't understand.
Pls upgrade your comprehension , abeg you .

Janosky:
Greek DIA ( Mounce Greek Interlinear screenshot of John 1:3.) meaning "By means of ", THROUGH ".
John 1:3, THROUGH Jesus , " by means of Jesus".
John 1:3, Hebrew 1:2, God created Universe through Jesus.

Greek DIA = Agency , instrumentality,Medium NOT Creator.
Romans 7:25 is the perfect example to debunk your lies.

" Thanks to God THROUGH Jesus our Lord.",Romans 7:25.


Oga, are you thanking Jesus at Romans 7:25?

Pls stop deceiving yourself, Jesus is not the creator.

You must REMOVE Romans 7:25 to believe your spurious claim

Janosky:
Yes. Nothing to spin.

God created the spiritual realm first (Heaven) before creation of the Earth (physical realm).
Genesis is the first book of your Bible.
At the last book of the bible (Revelation), the God gave Jesus the Revelation (of things not mentioned in Genesis ) that in Chapter 3 verse 14, Jesus "is the Chief (first ) creation of God"

ARKHE word origin fromG 756 lexicon, meaning "To begin"
Not ruler,not source & all the lies from Emusan.
Case concluded with Emusan screenshot evidence.

Janosky:
1.Yes.
JW's honour Jehovah by copying the example Jesus gave us to sworship Jehovah the only true God.
Luke 10:16, JW's listen to Jesus ,the only means to honour Jehovah.
We wont do what Jesus friend but comply as Jesus did ,John 12:49-50.
For instance ,we have faith in Jesus & have faith in Jehovah, the only true God of Jesus Christ.
John 14:1, John 17:3.

2.
Oga, use your sense nau.
Do you honour your Father and dishonour your mother?
Give your Father the same honour you give your mother nau.

Janosky:
Oga, upgrade your comprehension skills if you love yourself.
The beginning of God's creation"
is the the same meaning as
" the beginning of the creation by God."

The creation is attributed to the God Almighty.
@Rev 3:14,The creation is NOT attributed to Jesus.

Emusan:
Simple question

Where did you see BY if it was not there in the original?

Emusan:
You haven't answered my question.

DO YOU HONOR JESUS JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

That is what Jesus asked you to do not me.

Emusan:
That is what I do. I gave my Dad and my mum the SAME HONOR because they were both HUMAN CREATED BY GOD but it will be another issue if I gave one among them THE SAME HONOR GIVEN TO GOD.

Do you agree?

But why can't you say I should give my father or my mother THE SAME HONOR I give Jehovah?

Emusan:
You see where the problem lies, for Jesus to demand THE SAME HONOR given to the Father means Jesus was placing Himself in the same level of the Father.

Do you agree?

Emusan:
I just love this your reply today, because they so much worthy of evidences against yourself.

Look at the underlined word in color sentence.

So, you know HEAVEN is what God CREATED FIRST yet still find a way of putting Jesus INTO THAT FIRST.

Or your FIRST now has different meaning

Are you making any sense like that?



Now, the screenshot I pulled off from Biblehub has suddenly become my lie.

Why didn't you call Biblehub lie? because you know you'll still sneak there to find whatever suits you later

Emusan:
Now, the screenshot I pulled off from Biblehub has suddenly become my lie.

Why didn't you call Biblehub lie? because you know you'll still sneak there to find whatever suits you later

Emusan:
And to your fable mind, the person THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED THROUGH IS ALSO part of that same UNIVERSE.

So, you Agreed that Jesus was NEVER PART OF THE CREATED UNIVERSE.

That ends everything.



It means Jesus was THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.

Abi can something come THROUGH YOU and YOUR NOT THE FOUNDER?

Again, you just confirmed that Jesus was never part of the UNIVERSE.

UNIVERSE IS THE WHOLE CREATION.

I know you'll shift the goal post again.

But see the screenshot below.

Oga, your screenshot says God is the Creator agreement with Hebrew 1:2.

But ,you are falsely claiming it's Jesus



Emusan you brought Biblehib evidence that ARKHE means To BEGIN (from G756 lexicon.
Confirming that Jesus is the beginning of creation since ARKHE at Rev 3:14 is Beginning.

Romans 7:25 gives thanks to God THROUGH Jesus Christ can not mean Give thanks to Jesus.
Therefore ,Jesus is not the creator.

Oga, go and write your own Bible & feel happy.

Emusan:
From who?



This is because you treat FIRSTBORN as you wish not as how scripture used it.

Remember, Watchtower claimed Jehovah is the CHIEF PRINCE

Also, Yahweh is THE BEGINNING, do you know what that means?



"NEVER TO DIE AGAIN..." is different from Jesus NEVER DIED.

I guess you miss English class earlier.



I have to CAPITALIZE that "BEFORE" because that's where your problem lies.

If Jesus BECAME FIRSTBORN who was He before BECOMING FIRSTBORN of ALL CREATURE?

If you can answer this without putting yourself into more confusion, then you'll begin to see from the len Paul was talking about.



What you did here is just one thing.

Strictly agreed that word FIRSTBORN wasn't about FIRST CREATED (which is not) but you won't still agree with yourself.

If people can be APPOINTED AS FIRSTBORN then it means the word isn't about FIRST CREATURE but Position.



Good. This is a word on THE MARBLE but only if you know the implications.

Which means the word FIRSTBORN wasn't about FIRST CREATURE but something ACQUIRED along the way.

Do you see how you implicated yourself now?

But that Watchtower shackles won't still fell from your eyes after this.

Janosky:
In your kjv for example , Genesis 49:3, Luke 2:7 & Colossians 1:15, firstborn is NOT Preeminence rather Firstborn creature.

"Firstborn of every creature " this expression is very simple as it is.
Firstborn is a creature first and foremost

Janosky:
Oga, your screenshot says God is the Creator agreement with Hebrew 1:2.

But ,you are falsely claiming it's Jesus

Emusan you brought Biblehib evidence that ARKHE means To BEGIN (from G756 lexicon.
Confirming that Jesus is the beginning of creation since ARKHE at Rev 3:14 is Beginning.

Romans 7:25 gives thanks to God THROUGH Jesus Christ can not mean Give thanks to Jesus.
Therefore ,Jesus is not the creator.

Oga, go and write your own Bible & feel happy.

Janosky:

Emusan screenshot brought the bible hub evidence that
ARKHE word origin from G756 lexicon, meaning "To BEGIN."

Oga,ARKHE is not Ruler ,not Originator and other gbogbotigbo lies you are claiming on this thread

Janosky:
Janosky post
"God created the spiritual realm first (Heaven) before".

God Created spiritual realm first, ALL the beings in heaven including Jesus the firstborn of God.

Janosky:
Jehovah commanded you to honor your mom and Dad
Emusan,do you HONOR Jehovah by doing so to your Mom and Dad?

John 14:28, Jesus said 'the Father is greater than I am".

Emusan , at John 14:28 & John 13:16, did Jesus agree with your claim?

Oga,you wan write your own Bible .
Pls ,stop deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Oga, Luke 10:16 & John 12:49-50,Jesus have proven you do not honor him nor his Father,Yahweh .

If you did obedience to his teaching in the gospels will be your priority.
You don't even believe in Luke 10:16 & John 12:49-50.

Emusan:
because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things, and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, 18  and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,u so that he might become the one who is first in all things - Col 1:16-18 NWT

Only a dubious person can do such a thing.

Emusan:
Vs 18 then concluded it by saying "...so that he might become the one who is first in all things

If Jesus was the first creature as you lied, then there's no need of this text saying HE(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME THE ONE WHO IS FIRST...