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I have never come across a people so obsessed with religion, and "religious people".

For a set of people that claim to not care about religion, how come they're so obsessed, huh?

Me for instance, I don't concern myself with what I don't care about.
I consider it a total waste of time and energy.

Mariangeles:
I have never come across a people so obsessed with religion, and "religious people".

For a set of people that claim to not care about religion, how come they're so obsessed, huh?

Me for instance, I don't concern myself with what I don't care about.

There are several ways to look at it.

1). Maybe because religious people are always in your face. Every corner you turn in modern day Nigeria, you see or meet religion. Even in everyday language, people always reference God. Nigerians are among the most religious people on earth. So, it makes sense for a Nigerian atheist to act in a manner that suggests that they are obsessed about religion. The religionist simply will not leave you alone.

2). Atheism is itself a belief system. And every belief system requires adherents to convert people to their ways. What you call obsession on the path of the atheist can be likened to religious zeal to win more converts.

They wanted to hide behind science but the deeper they go into science the more they are seeing the evidence that God exists. The problem they have now is shame because they don't want to swallow their former pride and ask the most important question:

Which religion is the truth or which one represents God amongst the tens of thousands different religions around the world?

Many of their leaders are confused after having indepth knowledge of science as they keep on seeing the evidence of God's existence! Romans 1:18-20

Mariangeles:
I have never come across a people so obsessed with religion, and "religious people".

For a set of people that claim to not care about religion, how come they're so obsessed, huh?

Me for instance, I don't concern myself with what I don't care about.
I consider it a total waste of time and energy.

Because real atheists are actually agnostics, that is, those that really care about the mystery of existence but admit that they don't have any sensible answers(actually, no one on this planet has any sensible answers to the mystery of existence, even though there are many who think they do)

Now, from the set of those who do not actually have any sensible answers to the mystery of existence but believe they do, exactly 2 subsets of people can extracted:

Atheists: Those that believe that God does not exists, and science, in its current form, explains everything. As a scientist myself, I can attest that this group of people are not only completely wrong but betray their lack of understanding of fundamental tenets of science in general.

Religious Faithfuls: Those that believe in a divine, all powerful being that created everything. From this group there can be obtained a wide spectrum of zealotry, from those that accept the existence of such all powerful creator but believe that he can be appreciated through the understanding of the nature that he created to those that deny even the possibility that man can understand said nature and therefore reject the results of science altogether.

So, coming back to your question. Atheists assert that there is no God, and they crave validation for this belief. They've been taught most of their lives that there is a God and turning away from God means going to hell. For whatever reason, the strict discipline required to follow Gods rules is not compatible with the life that they want to live and they want out. This is where they discover science, not that they learn it, but come to believe that science can explain all of nature, which it demonstrably cannot, and most importantly, do it without invoking a divine creator, which to them is the most attractive feature of science.

So, armed with their new belief(and ignorance) of science, as well as their desperate desire for validation, they go on a campaign, championing science over God with every given opportunity. That's why it may appear that atheists seem to make more noise that others.

Alusiizizi:
Because real atheists are actually agnostics, that is, those that really care about the mystery of existence but admit that they don't have any sensible answers(actually, no one on this planet has any sensible answers to the mystery of existence, even though there are many who think they do)

Now, from the set of those who do not actually have any sensible answers to the mystery of existence but believe they do, exactly 2 subsets of people can extracted:

Atheists: Those that believe that God does not exists, and science, in its current form, explains everything. As a scientist myself, I can attest that this group of people are not only completely wrong but betray their lack of understanding of fundamental tenets of science in general.

Religious Faithfuls: Those that believe in a divine, all powerful being that created everything. From this group there can be obtained a wide spectrum of zealotry, from those that accept the existence of such all powerful creator but believe that he can be appreciated through the understanding of the nature that he created to those that deny even the possibility that man can understand said nature and therefore reject the results of science altogether.

So, coming back to your question. Atheists assert that there is no God, and they crave validation for this belief. They've been taught most of their lives that there is a God and turning away from God means going to hell. For whatever reason, the strict discipline required to follow Gods rules is not compatible with the life that they want to live and they want out. This is where they discover science, not that they learn it, but come to believe that science can explain all of nature, which it demonstrably cannot, and most importantly, do it without invoking a divine creator, which to them is the most attractive feature of science.

So, armed with their new belief(and ignorance) of science, as well as their desperate desire for validation, they go on a campaign, championing science over God with every given opportunity. That's why it may appear that atheists seem to make more noise that others.

Ha! I just had to laugh. I'll never understand why fellows like you feel so absurdly compelled to construct such elaborate, self-serving taxonomies just to soothe your own fragile, pseudo-intellectual worldview. I fail to see what's so hard for you lot to understand about atheism, except you're just being disingenuous.

Perhaps if you were even half as rigorously analytical as your delightfully pompous "as a scientist myself" preface attempts to signal to the forum, you would actually grasp basic philosophical definitions before masquerading as an enlightened authority on human consciousness and epistemic humility. But since you enjoy pulling random bs from your arse, let us get down to brass tacks and actually unpack the concrete philosophical - and also - sociopolitical reality(ies) you're so desperate to ignore.

Contrary to your bizarre fever dream assertion, atheism is not some dogmatic, gnostic insistence that modern scientific consensus currently explains every single metaphysical nuance or obscure corner of the cosmos, nor is it a desperate, adolescent cope crafted by uninhibited hedonists trying to run away from the "strict discipline" of divine oversight and moral accountability. A simple visit to any philosophy textbook or even a basic dictionary may have cautioned you beforehand, from spewing forth this blunder.

And another fun fact, bucko - eschewing belief in a celestial landlord is actually the default baseline of rejecting unevidenced claims about invisible sky deities. Shocked? Bet you didn't know this, did you? That tiny little detail just scraped by your head and missed you completely, betwixt your half baked pontifications.

Proper epistemic hygiene demands that the burden of proof rests squarely on the claimant asserting an omnipotent cosmic architect. The fact that you could so clumsily conflate a simple absence of belief with a positive, arrogant claim of absolute universal omniscience, is a testament to your capacity for intelligent reasoning, or lack thereof. This tired, armchair-psychoanalytic fanfiction you just cooked up about atheists is just pure, unadulterated copium and a shockingly lazy attempt to bypass intellectual engagement by impugning people's psychological motives.

Anyhoo, back to Mariangeles' question

Mariangeles:
I have never come across a people so obsessed with religion, and "religious people".

For a set of people that claim to not care about religion, how come they're so obsessed, huh?

Me for instance, I don't concern myself with what I don't care about.
I consider it a total waste of time and energy.

"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

You aren't an atheist, Mariangeles, so you wouldn't know diddly squat the battles atheists face regularly, especially in hyper religious environments filled with obnoxious proselytizing like Nigeria or the US Bible Belt. When religious orthodoxy routinely dictates state policy, codifies social bigotry, invades governance, and throttles rational inquiry, sensible human beings feel a moral and social imperative to speak up and push back against the madness. It's not exactly rocket science. I personally have no business with religious people and are content minding my own business until they try to mind my business for me and start asking me spurious questions about giving my life to a Jewish carpenter.

Darkness always hates the light and must look out for the light so as to quench it

NerdCat:
And another fun fact, bucko - eschewing belief in a celestial landlord is actually the default baseline of rejecting unevidenced claims about invisible sky deities. Shocked? Bet you didn't know this, did you? That tiny little detail just scraped by your head and missed you completely, betwixt your half baked pontifications.

Proper epistemic hygiene demands that the burden of proof rests squarely on the claimant asserting an omnipotent cosmic architect. The fact that you could so clumsily conflate a simple absence of belief with a positive, arrogant claim of absolute universal omniscience, is a testament to your capacity for intelligent reasoning, or lack thereof. This tired, armchair-psychoanalytic fanfiction you just cooked up about atheists is just pure, unadulterated copium and a shockingly lazy attempt to bypass intellectual engagement by impugning people's psychological motives..

Your talking about intellectual engagement already shows the classic atheist lack of intellectual engagement as despite your abundant verbosity, you gave only a sprinkle of substance. All others are in the trash of ad hominem fallacy.

And you obviously never got the memo that we discharged the burden of proof in the subject of the proof of God in pointing out the fact that no thing in this world created itself exactly as no camry or iPhone or a.i can reasonably and validly lay claim to creating itself.

And it is hoped that you do not give your popular fallacious mantra of a counter. So, that issue is settled.

Even mariangeles here once dabbled with atheism when she thought they were making sense and I'm surprised that she now opposes them.

And funny you say you mind your business but here you are attacking a person who did not even know you exist, thereby proving the Truth of the said obsession you atheists have against Christians. Not Muslims or pagans (ritualist) oo who are also religious people too. But it is never them that is the object of hatred and obsession.

Anyway, it is the religion of atheists to lie when they see that they are cornered. Very sore losers like Argentina

Dtruthspeaker:
Your talking about intellectual engagement already shows the classic atheist lack of intellectual engagement as despite your abundant verbosity, you gave only a sprinkle of substance. All others are in the trash of ad hominem fallacy.

Imagine confusing an unsparing intellectual dismantling with an ad hominem just because it hurt your fickle pride. Please grab hold of a paper bag, take a deep breath, read slowly, and actually address the arguments. It wasn't written in Spanish. But then again, it's also genuinely hilarious watching you hide behind logic terms you clearly skimmed on Wikipedia just five minutes ago.

And you obviously never got the memo that we discharged the burden of proof in the subject of the proof of God in pointing out the fact that no thing in this world created itself exactly as no camry or iPhone or a.i can reasonably and validly lay claim to creating itself.

Equating complex natural ecosystems to a manufactured iPhone is so painfully reductive it belongs in a middle-school Sunday class. You haven't discharged anything except your complete and embarrassing ignorance of biology.

And it is hoped that you do not give your popular fallacious mantra of a counter. So, that issue is settled.

If an iPhone needs a maker due to its complexity, then an all-knowing cosmic deity requires an infinitely more complex creator. You can't grant your God an exemption without committing glaring special pleading. Try again, my friend, because nothing here is settled except your defeat. And by the way, labeling an inevitable critique "fallacious" before it's even uttered is a textbook "poison the well" strategy. Although I guess - on the bright side - it shows you already know that your argument is utterly defenseless against basic logic.

Even mariangeles here once dabbled with atheism when she thought they were making sense and I'm surprised that she now opposes them.

So she "dabbled" in atheism and left. Who cares? Truth isn't determined by personal anecdotes or temporary ideological pitstops. People drift back into dogma for emotional security all the time. Using her journey as validation just shows how utterly desperate you are for external confirmation.

And funny you say you mind your business but here you are attacking a person who did not even know you exist, thereby proving the Truth of the said obsession you atheists have against Christians. Not Muslims or pagans (ritualist) oo who are also religious people too. But it is never them that is the object of hatred and obsession.

We address Christianity because you’re the ones aggressively trying to dictate societal norms. Get over yourself, stop crying and defend your logic like an adult. You've cornered yourself in a labyrinth of your own abysmal logic.

Anyway, it is the religion of atheists to lie when they see that they are cornered. Very sore losers like Argentina

Smh. Isn't it too early for you to be waving this tattered, paper-thin white flag disguised as a salty parting shot?

Even mariangeles here once dabbled with atheism when she thought they were making sense and I'm surprised that she now opposes them.

LIES FROM THE PIT OF HELL!!!

I AM, AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A CHRISTIAN.

Mariangeles:
I have never come across a people so obsessed with religion, and "religious people".

For a set of people that claim to not care about religion, how come they're so obsessed, huh?

Me for instance, I don't concern myself with what I don't care about.
I consider it a total waste of time and energy.

After spending a whole lifetime being told a god exists that cares about you only to discover it's balderdash you don't see how it can be paradigm shifting?

Also we get people like you talking about us so don't be surprised.

Mariangeles:
LIES FROM THE PIT OF HELL!!!

I AM, AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A CHRISTIAN.

I stand corrected ma'am and really I might have switched you with someone else who supported atheists by the one or two comments they made even though they did not deeply partake in those days atheists were warring against Christianity

LordReed:
After spending a whole lifetime being told a god exists that cares about you only to discover it's balderdash you don't see how it can be paradigm shifting?

Also we get people like you talking about us so don't be surprised.

Funny how you were not the only one told and yet others figured out how it works while you definitely abused and burnt out the grace, which every reasonable person knows that that is what must happen when you reject the call of a person who loves you.

Mariangeles:
I have never come across a people so obsessed with religion, and "religious people". For a set of people that claim to not care about religion, how come they're so obsessed, huh? Me for instance, I don't concern myself with what I don't care about.
I consider it a total waste of time and energy.

There are two types of Atheists the real ones and imitation atheists.
REAL ATHEISTS don't waste their times talking about what will not yield instant profit since they believe only in their own self. Another set of real atheists venture into religion because they see it as lucrative so they does whatever it takes to extort money from their gullible neighbors by fabricating their own stories after all the whole idea of God and His word means fabricated lies to them!

IMITATION ATHEISTS are deluded individuals who has been disappointed with their former faith so they wish everyone stop believing in God therefore they go about PREACHING against faith in God though it takes their time effort and resources!

NerdCat: "Imagine confusing an unsparing intellectual dismantling with an ad hominem just because it hurt your fickle pride.

I'm the one hurt yet it is you who blocked me so that I do not easily see amd respond to your post?

And even though I do not know you but obviously by your blocking me, you know me and this is obviously a new moniker you have just given yourself. it And it is clear that you find painful . And your blocking me means that you know what i was going to say and you indeed got the Meno.

And your reply of not understanding your supposed " complex natural ecosystems is proof that the burden of proof has shifted to you as you are the one now with the burden of completing your understanding and then use it to come up with a valid rebuttal if your understanding can give you.

Or do you say you already understand? Then by the absence of your rebuttal in that paragraph, it clearly means that your understanding gave you no rebuttal.

Then moving on to your next argument saying
" If an iPhone needs a maker due to its complexity, then an all-knowing cosmic deity requires an infinitely more complex creator. You can't grant your God an exemption without committing glaring special pleading.".

First, i even warned you that it was a fallacious mantra, and you still said it. . Clearly proving that you atheists have comprehension issues which is obviously is a qualifying quality required for a person to join atheism.

And therefore, every reasonable person understands why you would not appreciate that your reply is ridicule full fallacious argument containing false equivalence and shifting the post and Off Point all because of your bigotry refusal to believe in God despite clear evidence which even you yourself cannot reasonably and validly rebut.

So, see, you guys have not said anything valid.

Look closely at Dtruthspeaker's response, OP. And pay very especial attention to the logical architecture of his arguments, his off point ramblings and even his choice of words. What you are witnessing - if you'll be honest to admit it - is a masterclass in theological gymnastics, emotional guilt-tripping, and absolute logical decay.

Now he complains that I blocked him and muted his comments. The simple reason is because he's simply not worth the effort. Debating a half full water bottle would frankly be a more productive use of my time and probably the more intellectually stimulating exercise. Unlike him, I'm not chronically online at every point of the day.

Normally, I'd pay him no mind and allow him to stew in his own endless loop of absurdity as he desperately seeks my attention. But it would be unfortunate if I do not give you the full picture of who you're dealing with and who's coming to camp in your corner, for your sake. Hence this post.

Indeed I'm very familiar with Dtruthspeaker moniker and I should warn you beforehand, that he is fundamentally incapable of making a sentence without tripping over the shoelaces of his own poor logic.

Note that this moniker has been lurking around these forum corridors since 2019. That is 7 solid years of dedicated, unbroken service. If this forum were a corporate entity, he would already qualify for a pension, a commemorative wristwatch, and a plaque for long-term service. But instead of collecting dividends, he spends his days clocking 18-hour shifts on the Religion board like a self-appointed online gatekeeper of Paradise.

If you check his posting history, it reads less like a record of faith and more like a marathon of unprovoked antagonism. This poster treks from thread to thread like an unpaid traffic warden, handing out citations to anyone who - intentionally or otherwise - points out the absurdity of his reasoning. 😂

What makes his crusade truly fascinating is how remarkably broad his target roster is. He isn't picky at all. Oh no. He distributes terrible logic with complete impartiality:
Atheists? Unrepentant fools who reject "grace"
Jehovah's Witnesses? Misguided heretics off the track.
Muslims? Out of the fold entirely.
Anyone asking logical questions? Disrespecters of his celestial sovereign.

If you don't share his exact, highly specific, home-cooked interpretation of the cosmos, you are immediately targeted with arguments so fragile they would break if you sneezed too hard nearby. He doesn't bother building a coherent defense for his worldview. Nope. His strategy is simplistic and almost cute in its manifestation: throw a wall of dramatic, guilt-inducing prose at you, hurl a few ad hominem jabs here and there, declare a spiritual victory, and then sprint to the next thread to cause another scene before someone rightly corners him with his own failed logic.

And cornering him is not that difficult, trust me. It takes a while and countless nonsensical back and forths that may or may not have anything to do with the topic. But it's guaranteed to happen as the gap in intellectual reasoning is simply too wide when you properly engage.

Since 2019, rain or shine, economic boom or global crisis, this man is online. While the rest of humanity is working 9-to-5 jobs, navigating real-world responsibilities, or sleeping, he is sitting under a fan, overheating his phone battery, typing out nonsensical comments on the most banal and useless threads. Credit where credit is due though - cos it could never be me.
I'm sure if the Ministry of Labor ever needs to conduct an audit on underutilized workforce potential, his profile should be exhibit A. 😂

This is precisely why skeptics don't even need to write books or organize formal debates to expose the absurdities of dogmatic zealotry. They can just make their core points (like I've already done), sit back, relax, and let folks like this do all the heavy lifting for free. Notice he actually hasn't refuted anything I said with a cogent rebuttal worth reading. It's all distractions and disjointed logic you wouldn't find in any logic or philosophy textbook of good repute. He simply hasn't got the juice.

Every time he leaps into a comment section with awful logic, passive-aggressive threats of cosmic doom, and zero self-awareness, three more people quietly decide that rational thinking isn't such a bad idea after all. When a man has spent seven straight years arguing with internet strangers across every faith and non-faith on the planet, you start wondering if he's really defending truth or he's just desperately avoiding looking for a day job.

So perhaps you think you've got someone intelligent and reasonable in your camp, I'd suggest you think again. There are many more bright and intelligent Christians out there to hang with if you're looking for company. Intelligence isn't defined by what you believe or don't believe. It's defined by your reasoning and your conduct in debates.

Now since he's allergic to long detailed expositions, just watch how he will arrive to complain about the length of my riposte, single out 1 or 2 sentences off my entire wall of text and go off on an absurd tangent to make himself look good. That's his M.O. Like clockwork.

NerdCat:
Look closely at Dtruthspeaker's response, OP. And pay very especial attention to the logical architecture of his arguments, his off point ramblings and even his choice of words. What you are witnessing - if you'll be honest to admit it - is a masterclass in theological gymnastics, emotional guilt-tripping, and absolute logical decay.

Now he complains that I blocked him and muted his comments. The simple reason is because he's simply not worth the effort. Debating a half full water bottle would frankly be a more productive use of my time and probably the more intellectually stimulating exercise. Unlike him, I'm not chronically online at every point of the day.

Normally, I'd pay him no mind and allow him to stew in his own endless loop of absurdity as he desperately seeks my attention. But it would be unfortunate if I do not give you the full picture of who you're dealing with and who's coming to camp in your corner, for your sake. Hence this post.

Indeed I'm very familiar with Dtruthspeaker moniker and I should warn you beforehand, that he is fundamentally incapable of making a sentence without tripping over the shoelaces of his own poor logic.

Note that this moniker has been lurking around these forum corridors since 2019. That is 7 solid years of dedicated, unbroken service. If this forum were a corporate entity, he would already qualify for a pension, a commemorative wristwatch, and a plaque for long-term service. But instead of collecting dividends, he spends his days clocking 18-hour shifts on the Religion board like a self-appointed online gatekeeper of Paradise.

If you check his posting history, it reads less like a record of faith and more like a marathon of unprovoked antagonism. This poster treks from thread to thread like an unpaid traffic warden, handing out citations to anyone who - intentionally or otherwise - points out the absurdity of his reasoning. 😂

What makes his crusade truly fascinating is how remarkably broad his target roster is. He isn't picky at all. Oh no. He distributes terrible logic with complete impartiality:
Atheists? Unrepentant fools who reject "grace"
Jehovah's Witnesses? Misguided heretics off the track.
Muslims? Out of the fold entirely.
Anyone asking logical questions? Disrespecters of his celestial sovereign.

If you don't share his exact, highly specific, home-cooked interpretation of the cosmos, you are immediately targeted with arguments so fragile they would break if you sneezed too hard nearby. He doesn't bother building a coherent defense for his worldview. Nope. His strategy is simplistic and almost cute in its manifestation: throw a wall of dramatic, guilt-inducing prose at you, hurl a few ad hominem jabs here and there, declare a spiritual victory, and then sprint to the next thread to cause another scene before someone rightly corners him with his own failed logic.

And cornering him is not that difficult, trust me. It takes a while and countless nonsensical back and forths that may or may not have anything to do with the topic. But it's guaranteed to happen as the gap in intellectual reasoning is simply too wide when you properly engage.

Since 2019, rain or shine, economic boom or global crisis, this man is online. While the rest of humanity is working 9-to-5 jobs, navigating real-world responsibilities, or sleeping, he is sitting under a fan, overheating his phone battery, typing out nonsensical comments on the most banal and useless threads. Credit where credit is due though - cos it could never be me.
I'm sure if the Ministry of Labor ever needs to conduct an audit on underutilized workforce potential, his profile should be exhibit A. 😂

This is precisely why skeptics don't even need to write books or organize formal debates to expose the absurdities of dogmatic zealotry. They can just make their core points (like I've already done), sit back, relax, and let folks like this do all the heavy lifting for free. Notice he actually hasn't refuted anything I said with a cogent rebuttal worth reading. It's all distractions and disjointed logic you wouldn't find in any logic or philosophy textbook of good repute. He simply hasn't got the juice.

Every time he leaps into a comment section with awful logic, passive-aggressive threats of cosmic doom, and zero self-awareness, three more people quietly decide that rational thinking isn't such a bad idea after all. When a man has spent seven straight years arguing with internet strangers across every faith and non-faith on the planet, you start wondering if he's really defending truth or he's just desperately avoiding looking for a day job.

So perhaps you think you've got someone intelligent and reasonable in your camp, I'd suggest you think again. There are many more bright and intelligent Christians out there to hang with if you're looking for company. Intelligence isn't defined by what you believe or don't believe. It's defined by your reasoning and your conduct in debates.

Now since he's allergic to long detailed expositions, just watch how he will arrive to complain about the length of my riposte, single out 1 or 2 sentences off my entire wall of text and go off on an absurd tangent to make himself look good. That's his M.O. Like clockwork.

This is too brutal

You guys need to chill
We will all die one day and find out for ourselves.

Mariangeles:
I have never come across a people so obsessed with religion, and "religious people".

For a set of people that claim to not care about religion, how come they're so obsessed, huh?

Me for instance, I don't concern myself with what I don't care about.
I consider it a total waste of time and energy.

Theists especially Christians disturb me early in the mornings with loudspeakers. Muslims do their own morning shout earlier. Christians disturb me with midnight prayers and worship. As I get to my car,they block me and hand me fliers,which I just ignore. They knock on my door to preach 'good news'. They block the rod while I'm going to work,so I have to take detours. And whats worse,they call me devil's child(which i dont mind)
So yes,I'll talk about religion though i dont interfere in their topics where they talk about doctrines

HeatSeeker:
There are several ways to look at it.

1). Maybe because religious people are always in your face. Every corner you turn in modern day Nigeria, you see or meet religion. Even in everyday language, people always reference God. Nigerians are among the most religious people on earth. So, it makes sense for a Nigerian atheist to act in a manner that suggests that they are obsessed about religion. The religionist simply will not leave you alone.

2). Atheism is itself a belief system. And every belief system requires adherents to convert people to their ways. What you call obsession on the path of the atheist can be likened to religious zeal to win more converts.

As atheists we dont go around doing radio or TV shows to convert folks in Nigeria. So no,we ain't looking for converts. We just want to be left alone and to stop discrimination and hate

MaxInDHouse:
They wanted to hide behind science but the deeper they go into science the more they are seeing the evidence that God exists. The problem they have now is shame because they don't want to swallow their former pride and ask the most important question:

Which religion is the truth or which one represents God amongst the tens of thousands different religions around the world?

Many of their leaders are confused after having indepth knowledge of science as they keep on seeing the evidence of God's existence! Romans 1:18-20

This one don carry rvbhishh talk enter the matter. As if e dey see atheists mind

jaephoenix:
As atheists we dont go around doing radio or TV shows to convert folks in Nigeria. So no,we ain't looking for converts. We just want to be left alone and to stop discrimination and hate

There are different ways to spread religious ideas. One of the ways this can be done is by pointing out what appears to be logical fallacies and inconsistencies in other religions (and believe me, all religions in the world have one or two lurking in their teachings). Atheists are famed for doing exactly this.

Unbeknownst to the atheist, you cannot validate the true GOD with your mind. It needs to be dropped for one to be able to come into the full experience of GOD.

Dtruthspeaker:
Your talking about intellectual engagement already shows the classic atheist lack of intellectual engagement as despite your abundant verbosity, you gave only a sprinkle of substance. All others are in the trash of ad hominem fallacy.

And you obviously never got the memo that we discharged the burden of proof in the subject of the proof of God in pointing out the fact that no thing in this world created itself exactly as no camry or iPhone or a.i can reasonably and validly lay claim to creating itself.

And it is hoped that you do not give your popular fallacious mantra of a counter. So, that issue is settled.

Even mariangeles here once dabbled with atheism when she thought they were making sense and I'm surprised that she now opposes them.

And funny you say you mind your business but here you are attacking a person who did not even know you exist, thereby proving the Truth of the said obsession you atheists have against Christians. Not Muslims or pagans (ritualist) oo who are also religious people too. But it is never them that is the object of hatred and obsession.

Anyway, it is the religion of atheists to lie when they see that they are cornered. Very sore losers like Argentina

So if nothing creates itself, who created god?
How do you know this particular god is in fact your favorite sky daddy and not Thor or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Where did he get the materials he used to create the universe?
From your logic, you're attacking the person you said is 'attacking' someone else

Dtruthspeaker:
NerdCat: "Imagine confusing an unsparing intellectual dismantling with an ad hominem just because it hurt your fickle pride.

I'm the one hurt yet it is you who blocked me so that I do not easily see amd respond to your post?

And even though I do not know you but obviously by your blocking me, you know me and this is obviously a new moniker you have just given yourself. it And it is clear that you find painful . And your blocking me means that you know what i was going to say and you indeed got the Meno.

And your reply of not understanding your supposed " complex natural ecosystems is proof that the burden of proof has shifted to you as you are the one now with the burden of completing your understanding and then use it to come up with a valid rebuttal if your understanding can give you.

Or do you say you already understand? Then by the absence of your rebuttal in that paragraph, it clearly means that your understanding gave you no rebuttal.

Then moving on to your next argument saying
" If an iPhone needs a maker due to its complexity, then an all-knowing cosmic deity requires an infinitely more complex creator. You can't grant your God an exemption without committing glaring special pleading.".

First, i even warned you that it was a fallacious mantra, and you still said it. . Clearly proving that you atheists have comprehension issues which is obviously is a qualifying quality required for a person to join atheism.

And therefore, every reasonable person understands why you would not appreciate that your reply is ridicule full fallacious argument containing false equivalence and shifting the post and Off Point all because of your bigotry refusal to believe in God despite clear evidence which even you yourself cannot reasonably and validly rebut.

So, see, you guys have not said anything valid.

You heehawed and still managed to dodge and weave through without answering any of his points
Typical theist

jaephoenix:
This one don carry rvbhishh talk enter the matter. As if e dey see atheists mind.

I thought you people claim you are the custodians of SCIENCE!😂

Dtruthspeaker:
Funny how you were not the only one told and yet others figured out how it works while you definitely abused and burnt out the grace, which every reasonable person knows that that is what must happen when you reject the call of a person who loves you.

There is no person who loves me who I haven't responded positively to. However, nonexistent people cannot love so that is moot.

MaxInDHouse:
They wanted to hide behind science but the deeper they go into science the more they are seeing the evidence that God exists. The problem they have now is shame because they don't want to swallow their former pride and ask the most important question:

Which religion is the truth or which one represents God amongst the tens of thousands different religions around the world?

Many of their leaders are confused after having indepth knowledge of science as they keep on seeing the evidence of God's existence! Romans 1:18-20

Layout the scientific evidence that shows the existence of your god.

HeatSeeker:
This is too brutal

You guys need to chill
We will all die one day and find out for ourselves.

Honestly, religion barely occupies my mind on an average Tuesday these days. I couldn't care less about distant theological debates or speculations of humans fate in the afterlife. I'm too busy living in the here and now. The only reason I even stepped into this thread at all was to address that hilarious myth that atheists are somehow obsessed with Christians.

Look at our cultural and socio-political landscape for five minutes and you'll quickly realize that the so-called obsession clearly runs in reverse, with religious dogma constantly intruding into public policy, education, and people's personal lives and individual liberties. The evidence is all around us. I've made my points clear and succinctly with my very first contribution here. Whatever headache anyone wants to have over my submission there is really not my cup of tea. Christians' personal salvation is the least of my troubles today.

LordReed:
Layout the scientific evidence that shows the existence of your god.

Go and ask world renoun Scientists for what you seek!

People that knows deeper about science say they believe in God you that knows nothing said you get idea!😂

NerdCat:
Honestly, religion barely occupies my mind on an average Tuesday these days. I couldn't care less about distant theological debates or speculations of humans fate in the afterlife. I'm too busy living in the here and now. The only reason I even stepped into this thread at all was to address that hilarious myth that atheists are somehow obsessed with Christians.

Look at our cultural and socio-political landscape for five minutes and you'll quickly realize that the so-called obsession clearly runs in reverse, with religious dogma constantly intruding into public policy, education, and people's personal lives and individual liberties. The evidence is all around us. I've made my points clear and succinctly with my very first contribution here. Whatever headache anyone wants to have over my submission there is really not my cup of tea. Christians' personal salvation is the least of my troubles today.

Ok. Understood. But you went hard in your response to Dtruthspeaker. Like you were trying to use a bazooka to kill a fly . Take am easy jare

HeatSeeker:
Ok. Understood. But you went hard in your response to Dtruthspeaker. Like you were trying to use a bazooka to kill a fly . Take am easy jare

Lmao. Pfft, what have I said abeg, that intelligent posters don't already know about Dtruthspeaker a.k.a StillDTruth a.k.a Truespeak, except maybe OP Mariangeles who may or may not be familiar with him? Na him way, we don sabi am tey tey. Sometimes you just need lay down the facts so others don't waste their precious time engaging with circular nonsense. It was never about overkill, just about informing her on the background. When someone routinely derails threads with flawed, spurious, borderline insane reasoning, a detailed preamble "nota bene" from an observer with documented history about the habits and tendencies of the said individual is necessary to save everyone else from an endless, tedious un-merry go round.