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Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by Temptation147: 3:43pm On Jun 16
happney65:
Okay,let your tinubu come out and address Nigerians like that with no prepared speech or anything and I'll give you 100K

If he can do it this month

Your time starts NOW. grin
Tinubu dey craze
Have you ever seen the so called Tinubu in this type of environment
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by HamedAmed: 4:13pm On Jun 16
What you people should concentrate now is how to chase bandits out of your backyard, but no, it is what PO said, all of ypu now have turned to political analyst. Don't worry make una continue, before 2027 election half of southwest would be gone.


[quote author=Goodvibes007 post=139729909]]
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by AlbertNewton: 4:50pm On Jun 16
CharlesCNG:
Yes, I can cite other examples, and that is exactly the point.

Nobody is saying human beings do not make mistakes. The issue is that Peter Obi has built a whole political brand around “Go and Verify,” data, figures, examples and global comparisons. Once you make statistics your selling point, accuracy stops being optional.

This is not about one harmless slip. He once claimed that almost 100 out of 150 NBA players were Nigerians. That was fact-checked as false. He claimed Nigeria’s total exports in 2021 were below $30 billion. That was also fact-checked as false, because the figure was closer to $47 billion. He claimed Nigeria had only two million vehicles in 2018. NBS data put the figure at over 11 million. He has also made misleading comparisons on African trade, bank credit to GDP, and even HDI categories involving China, Indonesia, Vietnam and Nigeria.

So please, let us not pretend this is one innocent exaggeration about a faculty.

The problem is the pattern: Obi often uses dramatic examples and loose figures to create moral authority. Then when the facts are checked, his supporters say, “That was not the main point.” But if the details are not important, why use them to sell the point?

A man asking to govern over 200 million people cannot be defended with “everybody exaggerates.” Governance is not motivational speaking. Policy is built on facts, not vibes.

So yes, prison reform is a valid point. Ex-convict rehabilitation is a valid point. But a valid message does not excuse careless embellishment.

When your campaign slogan is “Go and Verify,” you should not be offended when people actually verify.
You have a point, a very valid one at that. But rather than crucifying Obi based on minor, insignificant details like this, you should focus on his overarching passion, mission and vision , the stuff that really matters in transforming a nation.
Obi is a human and will sometimes make mistakes, like everyone of us.
Obi is a politician and will sometimes do things for political reasons, like all politicians.
Where Obi stands out is in his burning passion to see the country become better , which is a rare trait in the crop of politicians leading us today. This is what makes us love Obi, organically.
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by bluejay05: 5:35pm On Jun 16
Pious101:
Are U asking of what use is a model which he has observe?

If U had listen with open mind U will know that he is stating that going to prison shouldn't being the end of ones career, ambition or desire of what one should be.

He is stating that institution create an avenue where ex-convict who have been rehabilitated can also work within an environment without stereotype.

You are an ediot just like Obi

Now as a presidential candidate who have studied d model, he intend to introduce such a system in Nigeria.
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by bewla(m): 5:46pm On Jun 16
favor914:
Ok, of what use is that to us?
guff again

Check before saying
This it
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by freshvine(f): 5:48pm On Jun 16
CharlesCNG:
My friend, I am beginning to think you people are determined to prove my thesis better than I ever could.

I discussed Peter Obi.

You replied with Tinubu, cassava, agbado and gaffes.

You asked for balance, but immediately changed the subject.

If Obi’s record is strong, defend it.

Give the statistics.

You asked me to balance my perceptions. Fair enough.

But tell me, why must balancing Peter Obi's record involve changing the subject to Tinubu?

“what about Tinubu?” is not a defence of Peter Obi.

It is deflection.


The inability to discuss Peter Obi without immediately [b]suffering a Tinubu reflex [/b]should be studied by psychologists.
What i am saying is that Peter Obi with all his inaccurate statistics is better than the man in Aso rock he want to replace

So let cut Peter a slack
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by Dennisochampa: 6:00pm On Jun 16
Drfernandez:
I am not the cause of your lack of comprehension and frustration in general. I suggest you look for your mates to engage because I don't have spare time for nonsense.
As usual... Instead of proving... You get defensive because you absolutely don't know what else to say to justify what ur dude said... Una go deh alright sha...
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by SamuraiXXX: 6:59pm On Jun 16
[quote author=Goodvibes007 post=139729909] he mixed up names does not necessarily mean he told an outright lie
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by CharlesCNG: 11:04pm On Jun 16
AlbertNewton:
You have a point, a very valid one at that. But rather than crucifying Obi based on minor, insignificant details like this, you should focus on his overarching passion, mission and vision , the stuff that really matters in transforming a nation.
Obi is a human and will sometimes make mistakes, like everyone of us.
Obi is a politician and will sometimes do things for political reasons, like all politicians.
Where Obi stands out is in his burning passion to see the country become better , which is a rare trait in the crop of politicians leading us today. This is what makes us love Obi, organically.
You have every right to love Peter Obi and vote for him. I have absolutely no problem with that. In a democracy, political preferences are personal.

But by the same token, I am equally entitled to scrutinize him and to conclude that he lacks the judgment, temperament and intellectual discipline required of a President.

You call these "minor, insignificant details." I disagree.

Character is revealed in the small things. Accuracy matters. Judgment matters. Restraint matters. A President does not merely govern with passion; he governs with facts, decisions and institutions.

History is full of passionate men who made terrible leaders. Passion is admirable, but passion without discipline can be dangerous.

You say Obi's love for Nigeria is genuine. I have no reason to doubt his patriotism. But patriotism is not a qualification. Virtually every major politician claims to want a better Nigeria. The real questions are:

Can he think clearly?

Can he exercise restraint?

Can he build coalitions?

Can he respect institutions even when they rule against him?

Can he distinguish anecdotes from evidence?

Can he inspire confidence beyond his support base?

These are not "minor details." These are the very qualities that separate statesmen from campaigners.

So yes, you are entitled to love Peter Obi. And I am entitled to observe that good intentions and passionate speeches are not substitutes for judgment.

After all, leadership is not measured by how passionately one speaks about a destination, but by whether one possesses the wisdom to get there.
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by CharlesCNG: 11:18pm On Jun 16
freshvine:
What i am saying is that Peter Obi with all his inaccurate statistics is better than the man in Aso rock he want to replace

So let cut Peter a slack
What you are saying is that, in your opinion, Peter Obi—with all his inaccurate statistics, questionable record in office, political inconsistency, frequent platform-hopping and tendency towards exaggeration—is still better than the man in Aso Rock.

Fair enough.

What I am saying is that, in my opinion, he is not.

And that is precisely why elections exist.

You are entitled to overlook what you consider minor flaws because you believe his strengths outweigh them.

I am equally entitled to conclude that a man who repeatedly stretches facts, changes platforms with remarkable ease, struggles to build durable coalitions, inspires more passion than structure, and whose supporters often mistake emotion for argument, is not the answer to Nigeria's problems.

You call him intelligent. I see poor judgment.

You call him consistent. I see political opportunism.

You call him a man of integrity. I see a politician who enjoys the benefit of lower standards from his admirers.

You call his movement organic. I see a protest movement still searching for a governing philosophy.

Neither of us is obliged to surrender our judgment to the other.

But one thing is certain: supporting Peter Obi is not synonymous with intelligence, patriotism or morality. It is simply a political preference.

And like every political preference, it is open to criticism.

After all, democracy does not require me to share your conclusions. It merely requires me to respect your right to hold them.

Likewise, you should respect mine.
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by professore(m): 11:51pm On Jun 16
Ok
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by BluntCrazeMan: 6:18am On Jun 17
Goodvibes007:
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Let me understand this post very well..

The University which Peter Obi was trying to describe actually exists, but he mixed-up the names of the University and inserted the name of another University there?

Then it is a Mix-Up,, and not a LIE.

According to the post, if he said California State University - he would been correct.
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by aswani(m): 8:13am On Jun 17
CharlesCNG:
What you are saying is that, in your opinion, Peter Obi—with all his inaccurate statistics, questionable record in office, political inconsistency, frequent platform-hopping and tendency towards exaggeration—is still better than the man in Aso Rock.

Fair enough.

What I am saying is that, in my opinion, he is not.

And that is precisely why elections exist.

You are entitled to overlook what you consider minor flaws because you believe his strengths outweigh them.

I am equally entitled to conclude that a man who repeatedly stretches facts, changes platforms with remarkable ease, struggles to build durable coalitions, inspires more passion than structure, and whose supporters often mistake emotion for argument, is not the answer to Nigeria's problems.

You call him intelligent. I see poor judgment.

You call him consistent. I see political opportunism.

You call him a man of integrity. I see a politician who enjoys the benefit of lower standards from his admirers.

You call his movement organic. I see a protest movement still searching for a governing philosophy.

Neither of us is obliged to surrender our judgment to the other.

But one thing is certain: supporting Peter Obi is not synonymous with intelligence, patriotism or morality. It is simply a political preference.

And like every political preference, it is open to criticism.

After all, democracy does not require me to share your conclusions. It merely requires me to respect your right to hold them.

Likewise, you should respect mine.
For the first time ever, I am tired of saying how wonderful someone's lengthy posts are grin

Obidients will hopefully not wear you down (or out) as the've done to other erudite posters who have now had to repeatedly block them.

Super work anyway.

Edit: You registered over a year ago, how comes I am only just noticing you and your sterling posts?
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by CharlesCNG: 8:42am On Jun 17
aswani:
For the first time ever, I am tired of saying how wonderful someone's lengthy posts are grin

Obidients will hopefully not wear you down (or out) as the've done to other erudite posters who have now had to repeatedly block them.

Super work anyway.

Edit: You registered over a year ago, how comes I am only just noticing you and your sterling posts?
Thank you, my brother. I appreciate the kind words.

No, they won't wear me out because I have come to understand their tactics too well.

Bullies thrive on intimidation, emotional blackmail and mob attacks. They expect you to retreat.

I won't.

Besides, they are remarkably predictable.

Question Peter Obi . deflect to Tinubu.

Present statistics . accuse you of hatred.

Ask for alternatives . change the subject.

Challenge the mythology . cry tribalism.

At this point, I find the responses more amusing than exhausting. 😁

As Churchill might have said, once you understand the enemy's tactics, half the battle is won.
Bullies feed on fear. I have simply refused to provide the meal.
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by aswani(m): 8:59am On Jun 17
BluntCrazeMan:
Let me understand this post very well..

The University which Peter Obi was trying to describe actually exists, but he mixed-up the names of the University and inserted the name of another University there?

Then it is a Mix-Up,, and not a LIE.

According to the post, if he said California State University - he would been correct.
He also said all faculty members were ex-cons and said that the head had done a 28 or so year stint in prison in trying to make whatever point he was making.

This isn't a mix up, these are blatant lies and he has form for things like that.
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by Kanwulia: 9:29am On Jun 17
GO TO COURT!😍
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by freshvine(f): 10:31am On Jun 17
CharlesCNG:
What you are saying is that, in your opinion, Peter Obi—with all his inaccurate statistics, questionable record in office, political inconsistency, frequent platform-hopping and tendency towards exaggeration—is still better than the man in Aso Rock.

Fair enough.

What I am saying is that, in my opinion, he is not.

And that is precisely why elections exist.

You are entitled to overlook what you consider minor flaws because you believe his strengths outweigh them.

I am equally entitled to conclude that a man who repeatedly stretches facts, changes platforms with remarkable ease, struggles to build durable coalitions, inspires more passion than structure, and whose supporters often mistake emotion for argument, is not the answer to Nigeria's problems.

You call him intelligent. I see poor judgment.

You call him consistent. I see political opportunism.

You call him a man of integrity. I see a politician who enjoys the benefit of lower standards from his admirers.

You call his movement organic. I see a protest movement still searching for a governing philosophy.

Neither of us is obliged to surrender our judgment to the other.

But one thing is certain: supporting Peter Obi is not synonymous with intelligence, patriotism or morality. It is simply a political preference.

And like every political preference, it is open to criticism.

After all, democracy does not require me to share your conclusions. It merely requires me to respect your right to hold them.

Likewise, you should respect mine.
You win.

Let vote for a convicted drug baron lacking requisite educational background and very incoherent in speech Delivery, let vote your agbado master
Re: Peter Obi's Claim That An Entire Faculty Of USC Are Ex-Convicts Is False by CharlesCNG: 10:42am On Jun 17
freshvine:
You win.

Let vote for a convicted drug baron lacking requisite educational background and very incoherent in speech Delivery, let vote your agbado master
You mean I won the argument. Thank you for the concession.

Notice that, like many Obidients, you cannot defend Peter Obi without immediately changing the subject to Tinubu. That, in itself, is revealing.

As for the tired "convicted drug baron" line, that falsehood has been litigated up to the Supreme Court and laid to rest. You are free to dislike Tinubu, but you are not free to invent convictions that do not exist.

The irony is that we were discussing Peter Obi. His judgment. His temperament. His qualifications. Yet you have once again confirmed that his supporters often find it easier to attack Tinubu than to explain why Obi himself deserves the presidency.

So let me ask you plainly: who is your candidate?

If it is Peter Obi, then defend Peter Obi.

Tell us why he is qualified.

Tell us what he would do differently.

Tell us why his inaccuracies, platform-hopping, inability to build enduring structures, and tendency to speak before thinking should be overlooked.

Because "Tinubu bad" is not a manifesto.

Opposition is easy. Leadership is harder.

And if your strongest argument for Peter Obi is Bola Tinubu, then perhaps you have already admitted that Peter Obi alone is not enough.
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