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iamoyindamola:
Were the innocent not tortured after 911?

The self confessed terrorists in Guatanamo Bay are not even allowed to be tortured. Waterboarding is now illegal

izzou:
We are talking about life here..A human life.

That is why I am still asking you guys what line is off limits as a country?

USA is striking deals with fraudsters, etc for lesser deals and recovering their loots. Do you really think the USA will be sharing negotiation handshakes if groups are springing up, kidnapping people and killing them?

You know the answer, but we can still stretch the argument further

I'm saying the US negotiates with serial killers that have killed tens of persons.

How do you handle the bandit you cannot conclusively link to any killing, the one who may have been nothing more than another foot soldier they send on egg runs? And said bandit has surrendered whatever weapons he has and is asking for clemency?

Will you give him the same sentence you're giving top dawgs like Bello Turuji?

Now imagine there's like 10,000 of such guys.

BlueRayDick:
What military pressure are you talking about? Don't you read about aerial bombardment of bandits and boko haram regularly released by the milliatry ? At least Amoto posts some of them here and nobody can dispute the fact that combined efforts of Airforce and Army has been to take an offensive approach in recent times.

Killing some commanders and granting a free pass to other terrorists does not in any way guarantee abatement in the security risk those terrorists pose. It's like you've not seen 14,15- & 16-year-olds wielding assault rifles and RPG. How do you even come up with the idea of a "repentant terrorist"? A terrorist whose reason for embarking on the terror acts is his extremist religious belief. So, would you be dangling the liberal version of the religion as his lifeline?

You still haven't mentioned what will be used to negotiate with the terrorists which you are sure they will agree to without batting an eyelid

This will be for the experts to draft. This isn't Nigeria's first rodeo.

Theflint1:
What guarantees it then? A nuclear bomb?

Not pampering terrorists with amnesty and such other nonsense. We deal with the terrorists in the language they understand . Simple!

It's the believe that they will be handed amnesty and be negotiated with that makes it even attractive to more and more new joiners.

That is why I advocate resolving and dissolving these terrorists in the bush, "In exchange of gunfire with soldiers". Anyone you bring to public and camera captures him, like Kabiru Sokoto, you have to do the whole legal process which he might even get pardon or amnesty

Even Sunday Igboho when he threatens he will say "anyone caught, would be handed to authorities for legal process". Even him a non state actor but since he is popular cannot say openly that to kill them

Even inside movies the cops know this, they will set the criminal up to be killed "while attempting to kill officers" or "while exchanging fire with soldiers" or "attempting to escape"

BlueRayDick:
Not pampering terrorists with amnesty and such other nonsense. We deal with the terrorists in the language they understand . Simple!

It's the believe that they will be handed amnesty and be negotiated with that makes it even attractive to more and more new joiners.

You and I can say this, a leader cannot, Buhari Trump etc found out. When Buhari said this, he spent several months renovating that statement

raumdeuter:
You realize that when it comes to international laws, those weapon wielding and crime committing 14, 15yr olds suddenly become minors

That is why Netanyahu has been declared wanted in many countries including the UN for daring to use a strong approach against terrorist who killed his people,
What is expected is that Netanyahu after receiving 2k dead bodies carries bread and butter with lawyers and preacher to read right and try to convert the killers of his people

You know how many Serbian general are in Hague now for war crimes where most likely both sides were doing the most against each other to defend their lands

Like I said those who make this rules, I doubt they considered the soldiers who are on ground that have to implement them

We are talking about internal security , you are giving the example of Israel vs Palestine/Hamas.

We are saying the government should exterminate terrorists who are waging war against the government and law abiding citizens, you are mixing it up with a country fighting external aggressors and seccessionist groups.

Na wa o. You are the king of Apple vs Oranges

BlueRayDick:
We are talking about internal security , you are giving the example of Israel vs Palestine/Hamas.

We are saying the government should exterminate terrorists who are waging war against the government and law abiding citizens, you are mixing it up with a country fighting external aggressors and seccessionist groups.

Na wa o. You are the king of Apple vs Oranges

I have given you examples of IRA and ETA terrorists in UK and Spain, they killed and bombed innocent citizens, at the end of the day they were negotiated with

At the point of negotiation I am sure the govt officials were disgusted that they had to do it, but its what it is

izzou:
People wey dey clap for Netanyahu for defending his country, are suddenly careful that a Nigerian president shouldn't be wanted.

Make all of us kuku die, so Tinubu or Obi will not be on Human Rights watchlist (The same watchlist you berated and clapped for Netanyahu to do the needful)

God is truly the greatest!

I just tire.

Making any move to negotiate with terrorists will never ever make sense. Maybe FG should kukuma free Nnamdi Kanu and allow him too to continue with his IPOB/ESN comrades so government can negotiate with him too. Since we are in the season of negotiation and amnesty.

raumdeuter:
The self confessed terrorists in Guatanamo Bay are not even allowed to be tortured. Waterboarding is now illegal

Haba why you they lie nah

Theflint1:
The bandits will come with their demands, and you meet them halfway, and it has to be done in a manner in which it doesn't look like you're rewarding them for being criminals, and at the same time not leaving them high and dry.

This isn't Nigeria's first rodeo with this sort of rehabilitation effort. Yes their needs will differ in some way, but ultimately would coalesce around basic human needs. There are experts that would work out all these fine details, it's not my job. But my point is non-kinetic approaches would be implemented, either concurrently with the kinetic, or at the end.

The bandits demand is usually money, so what's halfway to you? Reducing 500 million to 250 million?

Una dey make me dey laugh

Katsina state government has been meeting bandits halfway for years. Do you think these people will collect money or whatever demands you meet, and quit?

I believe this is a Southern way to appeal for Northern votes, because this thing makes no sense at all. Obi never applauded anybody for negotiating with bandits. He didn't negotiate as a governor in Anambra. Na as e wan become president, w remember Negotiations

Buhari proscribed IPOB. Heaven did not fall. He stood on that business till his death. Even as at today, nobody is negotiating with IPOB. Their leader is in Sokoto Maximum prison. Na Northerner run am

But when it gets to a Southerner, we begin to make sense out of nonsense so we can win election votes, even if it means half of our people dead.

BlueRayDick:
I just tire.

Making any move to negotiate with terrorists will never ever make sense. Maybe FG should kukuma free Nnamdi Kanu and allow him too to continue with his IPOB/ESN comrades so government can negotiate with him too. Since we are in the season of negotiation and amnesty.

I just wrote this now, without seeing yours

Nobody has called IPOB to the table after a Northerner proscribed them.

E reach Southerner turn, because e wan win election, e ready to serve Bandit rice and stew.

Fvvcking Cowards

Theflint1:
This will be for the experts to draft. This isn't Nigeria's first rodeo.

So you don't have an idea of what exactly the government will be negotiating with, but you sha want them to negotiate with terrorists and religious extremists.

It shows just like Obi, you've not really given the gravity of the situation much thought.

I hope you know know Aminu Masari (Katsina ex-governor) who is among the pioneers of Negotiating with terrorists later regretted the move. See below excerpts from his regrets:

Governor of Katsina State in Nigeria’s northwest, Aminu Masari, has said with the benefit of hindsight, his government should never have negotiated with bandits, let alone grant them amnesty.

Although Governor of Katsina State in Nigeria’s northwest, Aminu Masari, has said with the benefit of hindsight, his government should never have negotiated with bandits, let alone grant them amnesty. Although Masari said he never regretted his decision at the time, he admitted that information available to him confirmed that engaging the bandits was not the right thing to do.

Masari, who had offered marauding gunmen amnesty, after negotiations with them, said looking back in hindsight, he should not have done that.

BlueRayDick:
So you don't have an idea of what exactly the government will be negotiating with, but you sha want them to negotiate with terrorists and religious extremists.

It shows just like Obi, you've not really given the gravity of the situation much thought.

I hope you know know Aminu Masari (Katsina ex-governor) who is among the pioneers of Negotiating with terrorists later regretted the move. See below excerpts from his regrets:

"Let's negotiate with Bandits but I don't have idea of what they are asking or we are bringing"



If you negotiate and pay Bello Turji today, you go pay another group tomorrow. You go still pay another group next tomorrow.

izzou:
Fvvcking Cowards

Izzou don vex

It comes back to what nihilistijnr said unfortunately

An election is numbers and the north is not ready to fully reject or condemn their 'freedom fighters'

You have sheik gumi running his mouth

You have governors dashing out amnesty

You have people identifying with the cause

izzou:
I just wrote this now, without seeing yours

Nobody has called IPOB to the table after a Northerner proscribed them.

E reach Southerner turn, because e wan win election, e ready to serve Bandit rice and stew.

Fvvcking Cowards

It's like they don't know how ridiculous the whole Idea of negotiating with bandits and terrorists sound. Bandits who would lay siege on major interstate highway, kill drivers or anyone that tries to escape, match their preys into the bush and commit economic crime by extorting their families. Those are the people they want government to negotiate with.

What exactly will the government be offering them?

Then we have Fulani Jihadists and religious extremists matching down to churches to kidnap and kill those who attempt to escape. What do you offer such groups? Will you offer them penitence and ask them to go & sin no more or what exactly ?

Till last week we still read of Military operatives neutralizing ESN/IPOB terrorists. Why is FG not negotiating with them? Is it because they's not made the region unlivable for all sundry like we are seeing in parts of Niger, Kebbi, Sokoto, Zamfara , etc? Bandits are literally taxing people to go to farm in some LGAs of the aforementioned states. So when FG wants to negotiate with them, will they cede few local governments to them or give them their own political party like Hezbollah?

iamoyindamola:
Haba why you they lie nah

Whats the lie

raumdeuter:
The self confessed terrorists in Guatanamo Bay are not even allowed to be tortured. Waterboarding is now illegal

I can pardon the young naive ones who repent. But certainly not the leaders. If they repent they get life jail, otherwise they lose their lives.

This is the mode Peter Obi was trying to say

izzou:


"Let's negotiate with Bandits but I don't have idea of what they are asking or we are bringing"



If you negotiate and pay Bello Turji today, you go pay another group tomorrow. You go still pay another group next tomorrow.

Abi! we should keep negotiating and maybe even make provisions for Bandits & Terrorists in our annual budget sef.

All the various attempts at negotiating and agreeing peace accord with Bello Turji by Zamfara state government has not stopped him from carrying on with his terrorist activities.

Make dem dey play!

BlueRayDick:
So you don't have an idea of what exactly the government will be negotiating with, but you sha want them to negotiate with terrorists and religious extremists.

It shows just like Obi, you've not really given the gravity of the situation much thought.

I hope you know know Aminu Masari (Katsina ex-governor) who is among the pioneers of Negotiating with terrorists later regretted the move. See below excerpts from his regrets:

When you negotiate from a position of weakness, or from an equal footing, it will end in regret.

Theflint1:
When you negotiate from a position of weakness, or from an equal footing, it will end in regret.

Yet you have failed to point us a vivid position of strength the Federal government can be that will guarantee peace and abatement in terrorism in the country.

izzou:
The bandits demand is usually money, so what's halfway to you? Reducing 500 million to 250 million?

Una dey make me dey laugh

Katsina state government has been meeting bandits halfway for years. Do you think these people will collect money or whatever demands you meet, and quit?

I believe this is a Southern way to appeal for Northern votes, because this thing makes no sense at all. Obi never applauded anybody for negotiating with bandits. He didn't negotiate as a governor in Anambra. Na as e wan become president, w remember Negotiations

Buhari proscribed IPOB. Heaven did not fall. He stood on that business till his death. Even as at today, nobody is negotiating with IPOB. Their leader is in Sokoto Maximum prison. Na Northerner run am

But when it gets to a Southerner, we begin to make sense out of nonsense so we can win election votes, even if it means half of our people dead.

If Buhari pampered IPOB the way he pampered/nursed Boko Haram/banditry into becoming what they are today, I'd see a negotiation/rehabilitation as something that should be on the table alongside any kinetic effort.

And even as IPOB has been proscribed and largely decimated, Nigeria would have to setup a non-kinetic plan in motion to ensure they don't spring up sometime down the road.

Wars are first won on the field and after in boardrooms/negotiation tables. Nigeria isn't winning on the field yet, hence an amnesty program now will fail.

BlueRayDick:
Yet you have failed to point us a vivid position of strength the Federal government can be that will guarantee peace and abatement in terrorism in the country.

I mentioned a few inside the word salad post.

raumdeuter:
Putin that went to war with Ukraine and stuck there, is he a sensible leader or out of touch with reality?
Bush that went to war in Afghanistan and got stuck there for 20yrs is he a sensible leader or out of touch with reality?
Obama that went to war in Libya and after killing Ghadafi further destabilized the whole region is he a sensible leader

You talk as if life is a script that we can determine the end from.the beginning

nope Putin is also not a sensible leader.

So many of them are out of touch with reality.

Isn't it strange that trump also romance Putin. (Nope not strange)
Infact, if anything, Trump is absolutely more senseless. He should have learnt from the fact that Putin is stuck in Ukraine and back off. But the idiot has his head stuck so far up his butt that he thinks everything is rla reality TV show.

Two senseless leaders forming hardman in 2026.


Obama didn't start a war in libya.

Theflint1:
If Buhari pampered IPOB the way he pampered/nursed Boko Haram/banditry into becoming what they are today, I'd see a negotiation/rehabilitation as the only way forward.

And even as IPOB has been proscribed and largely decimated, Nigeria would have to setup a non-kinetic plan in motion to ensure they don't spring up sometime down the road.

Wars are first won on the field and after in boardrooms/negotiation tables.

See you are just contradicting yourself just in a bid to double down on the whole non-kinetic approach/ negotiation misyarn.

Here you are agreeing that Buhari dealt decisively with IPOB/ESN by ordering that they be decimated with full force. So I take it that you know what fighting terrorism heads-on can achieve.

But somehow you want to drag the non-kinetic talk enter the matter wey no concern am. It is a fact that ESN were crushed significantly with military firepower, Simon Ekpa was taken out of circulation and Nnamdi Kanu rightly jailed. Where non-kinetic approach/negotiation take enter the matter?

We are simply saying let FG have the full force of law crush the so-called Bandits and Terrorists without any yeye talk of negotiation. Let them be dealt with as the agents of terror in Imo, Anambra and Abia states were dealt with. Is that too much to ask/achieve? What is there to discuss to negotiate with the terrorists?

BlueRayDick:
See you are just contradicting yourself just in a bid to double down on the whole non-kinetic approach/ negotiation misyarn.

Here you are agreeing that Buhari dealt decisively with IPOB/ESN by ordering that they be decimated with full force. So I take it that you know what fighting terrorism heads-on can achieve.

But somehow you want to drag the non-kinetic talk enter the matter wey no concern am. It is a fact that ESN were crushed significantly with military firepower, Simon Ekpa was taken out of circulation and Nnamdi Kanu rightly jailed. Where non-kinetic approach/negotiation take enter the matter?

We are simply saying let FG have the full force of law crush the so-called Bandits and Terrorists without any yeye talk of negotiation. Let them be dealt with as the agents of terror in Imo, Anambra and Abia states were dealt with. Is that too much to ask/achieve? What is there to discuss to negotiate with the terrorists?

One doesn't preclude the other.

Any face to face/amnesty would need be from a position of strenght, and Nigeria hasn't achieved that yet.

BlueRayDick:
Abi! we should keep negotiating and maybe even make provisions for Bandits & Terrorists in our annual budget sef.

All the various attempts at negotiating and agreeing peace accord with Bello Turji by Zamfara state government has not stopped him from carrying on with his terrorist activities.

Make dem dey play!

Katsina has been negotiating with Bandits even before Tinubu became president. How safe is Katsina today?

I am surprised with what I have read here today.

Theflint1:
One doesn't preclude the other.

Any face to face/amnesty would need be from a position of strenght, and Nigeria hasn't achieved that yet.

So how does Nigeria achieve this position of strength?

Spy360:
I can pardon the young naive ones who repent. But certainly not the leaders. If they repent they get life jail, otherwise they lose their lives.

This is the mode Peter Obi was trying to say

Obi told you this personally

NinjaMetahuman:
nope Putin is also not a sensible leader.

So many of them are out of touch with reality.

Isn't it strange that trump also romance Putin. (Nope not strange)
Infact, if anything, Trump is absolutely more senseless. He should have learnt from the fact that Putin is stuck in Ukraine and back off. But the idiot has his head stuck so far up his butt that he thinks everything is rla reality TV show.

Two senseless leaders forming hardman in 2026.


Obama didn't start a war in libya.

Who started the war in Libya?
Netanyahu was stuck with Hamas is he also a senseless leader and out of touch with reality?
Bush, Obama were stuck in Afghanistan for years were they senseless and out of touch with reality?

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