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QuinQ:
See below. It really was a bad deal that gave Iran lots of money and allowed them all sorts of ways to hide their nuclear program till they obtained a nuclear weapon

Hide what nuclear programme! Are you conversant with world happenings at all?

IAEA had unlimited access to their programme based on the Obama deal?

Okay! Let’s accept that Obama game them money. Is Trump giving them cowries? The gulf nations that will be supporting with restriction, are they going to pay them cowries?

So if I got you right, Trump is paying Iran more than Obama hoping they won’t use for what they used it for with Obama. Does it make sense?

Emeskhalifa:
This is no deal, so long Isreal isn't part of the deal.

The fight was between Iran and Israel, before America jumped into it in other to support Isreal, so how come Isreal is not part of the deal?

This gives room for Israel to attack Iran in the nearest future

Israel dare not attack Iran only...crime minister nentayahu was projecting regional power and game changer..but in d end...Iran is now d regional and world power...do u think israel alone has interceptor for iran missile?dont wory this deal will provide iran more fortune to open their missiles industries

[quote author=Neoteny post=139758359]Good point.

It essentially boils down to this: every US president knew that Iran was never really an adversary of the US, but of Israel's. The colonial imperialist ethnostate wants to be the dominant power in the middle east, but there were 3 major snags: Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Iraq and Syria have been defanged, leaving Iran.

For 40 years, Netanhayu has been shopping for any US president willing to wreck Iran as a nation on behalf of Israel, so that Israel can achieve its 'Eretz Yisrael' plan by acquiring lebensraum from Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. When Israel invaded Lebanon in the 70s, Hezbollah was formed a few years later (in the 80s) as a resistance group, with support from Iran. Every US president turned down Netanhayu's plan against Iran because they knew it won't be easy.

Finally, Netanhayu found a willing accomplice in Trump, who underestimated the fiery response of Iran against US bases, neighboring collaborator states, and choking the Strait.

By the time trump realized Netanhayu had led him to the biggest blunder of his administration, the world economy was already reeling from Iran's control of the Straits. So Trump needed an offramp fast. Iran, while battered, knew they had all the cards and were ready to strangle the world economy longer than the global economy could bear.

So Trump cut a deal to get out, and here we are.

A few things to note: despite the battle cry of a nuclear-armed Iran, it was never really a threat to the US or even Israel. Nukes are not offensive weapons today, they're deterrence. Iran does not have any intercontinental vehicle capable of reaching the US. And any nuclear offensive attempt by Iran to either Israel or the US would guarantee the absolute decimation of Iran. As mad as the IRGC is, they're not suicidal nor would they sacrifice their own people. Besides, ballistic missiles seem even far more potent and not as morally reprehensible as nukes.

Now Israel is feeling betrayed, most of the US is feeling humiliated, and trump can finally breathe a sigh of some relief.

The US has militarily won the war, but Iran is the actual economic, political, and strategic victor.

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mysticwarrior:
For decades, the United States has proudly proclaimed, "We do not negotiate with terrorists." It has branded Iran a sponsor of terrorism, imposed crippling sanctions, rallied allies against it, and used that label to justify years of political and economic pressure.

Yet today, the same United States finds itself sitting across the negotiating table from the very nation it has spent decades condemning.

So what became of the principle that America claimed was non-negotiable? Was it truly a matter of principle, or merely a convenient slogan invoked when it served strategic interests and quietly abandoned when circumstances demanded otherwise?

If negotiating with Iran is now acceptable, then the world is left to ask: was the policy ever about terrorism at all, or has it always been about power, leverage, and political convenience?

You have the answer already.


What you don't know is that the biggest terrorist is USA.

For 300 billion dollars, sanction relief, saving Lebanon, and a newfound control over the strait of Hormuz, it is worth every gram of enriched Uranium in Iran's possession. Am sure if the US had asked nicely before the war in exchange for all these Iran would have gladly accepted.

Deepthoughts:
which deal after giving up completely on their nuclear pursuit?, which was the singular most important n strategic objective of the war by USA/ISRAEL?

otipoju:
They can't because those groups like hezbollah, hamas and the houthis were created, armed and are sponsored by Iran

Not true

Honestly 😂😂

Gbadugbakun:
So when is dangote going to reduce fuel back to N700. Because that's the only thing that concerns me.

They can continue with their media blockades for another century na their problem be that, Iran has shown them the stuff they're made of.

motayoayinde:
You are talking about America, the damage in Shitrael is far worse.
Wait until the truth begins to come out.
Sebi dem still dey do media blockade.
Dem go soon taya.

Osidazz19:
Trump wasted US lives, money and honor for nothing.

Those Americans were soldiers, readied to die, they were not supreme leader, Army Generals or nuclear scientists who were planning to wipe out the state of Israel.

ceejay80s:
Iran too should remove their eyes from what is not their business,
if U see Lebanon and Israel fighting, if U can't settle it, stay away
peace deal will be made, Oman or Lebanon or Pakistan, Uzbekistan etc go find trouble with Israel and iran go carry demself involved and U expect Israel to keep quiet

u need to learn about the Axis of resistance.. Hezbollah,, houthis, ansarullah...pmo are iranian armies in foreign countries..it called comprehensive quasi defensive military strategy..aren't u aware iran war that if war begins again houthis will close d bab al madab strait..that will be recession for global economy.. geography is on iranian side ..u cant hit central command cos there is no central command

HacheNoire:
Hide what nuclear programme! Are you conversant with world happenings at all?

IAEA had unlimited access to their programme based on the Obama deal?

Okay! Let’s accept that Obama game them money. Is Trump giving them cowries? The gulf nations that will be supporting with restriction, are they going to pay them cowries?

So if I got you right, Trump is paying Iran more than Obama hoping they won’t use for what they used it for with Obama. Does it make sense?

Did you read the below at all. Do you know better than Hoover institution?

Did Obama kill 6000 Iranian soldiers and Ayatollah and all their top echelons? Did Obama destroy their Navy, Airforce, and air defense? Did Obama cause them trillions of dollars in infrastructure damage? Did Obama plunge their economy into deep depression and 200% iinflation.

Finally, Obama gave them MONEY. Trump won't give them shi shi. They'll have access to funds for reconstruction and humanitarian purposes - which will mostly be performed by US! Never money to buy weapons or do whatever!

INJESUSNAME:
Those Americans were soldiers, readied to die, they were not supreme leader, Army Generals or nuclear scientists who were planning to wipe out the state of Israel.

Chief nobody is planning to wipe out anywhere. Those are called rhetorics

Razzness:
For 300 billion dollars, sanction relief, saving Lebanon, and a newfound control over the strait of Hormuz, it is worth every gram of enriched Uranium in Iran's possession. Am sure if the US had asked nicely before the war in exchange for all these Iran would have gladly accepted.

Do you really think it's the USA/ISRAEL that would pay Iran $300b?,was the war about saving Lebanon?,where is Iran's nuclear program again?,you guys are funny, well let Iran just try nonsense after the deal mek we see how far.

Yusman316:
Chief nobody is planning to wipe out anywhere. Those are called rhetorics

Good.
One fact remains , that supreme leader won't be able to yell deaths to Israel or America again !

QuinQ:
But it was exactly Obama that led to this war. Obama is why Iran kept fiddling with nuclear weapons. He's why Iran refused to let UN inspectors in, which US and Israel used as excuse to attack

Like seriously, Iran has fatwa by the supreme leader, NO NUCLEAR WEAPON! The major reason for the war was regime change which both USA and Israel failed woefully to achieve.

Ironfaceman:
Dr Orlando owoh's song comes to mind
( E get as E bi)

With this signing Trump has vindicated Obama.
In as much as the war was meaningless to the US. I feel Netanyahu manipulated Trump so much.

Now Trump afraid that Republicans will lose November elections with the rising cost of fuel in the US. $8 as against $2, in bidens Era. have made a deal with the devil.

E be like say Iran get levels. E be like say Iran win the War o.

DeepSight:
Is that what determines the winner here?

No country lost more than Russia in WW2 and yet they were on the winning side.

let's talk about the recent war btw US and Iran, which country suffered more damage

🔴 $300 billion in reparations to Iran

🔴 US bases in Persian Gulf destroyed

🔴 Passage through Strait of Hormuz is now fee-based

🔴 Replaced 86-year old Khamenei with 56-year old Khamenei

🔴 Greater sanctions relief than under JCPOA

🔴 Defacto security guarantees for Hezbollah courtesy of the US

🙄 MAGA, are you tired of all the winning?

Peace at last. May it be sustainable and enduring. The rift really roared and resonated across the globe.

gassbee:
let's talk about the recent war btw US and Iran, which country suffered more damage

How do you want to quantify the losses? Lives, infrastructure, money, goodwill, reputational damage, leverage, compensation, future streams of income?

FalseProphet1:
I see Iran and Isreal engaging each other in a brutal war, I see Isreal using their nukes on Iran, I see death everywhere.

This I have seen.

So terrorist state of Israel will not be nuked back, dey play. That's what they fear most and it must come to pass unless they repent on their evil agenda.

Like I normally say Holocaust would be a child's play in their history if they continue this path. Nuke is MAD mutual Assured Destruction war nobody will come out villain or victor. I pray world doesn't come to that.

Razzness:
Strength is facing the most powerful military in the history of the world and the most genocidal state in modern times and standing your ground, fighting back and holding out long enough for them to leave you alone. There are very few countries in the world today that can achieve that feat, and Iran is one of them. The sooner you swallow this reality the better for you .

That is to say: strength lies only in your head.
You need to face reality.

If they were really genocidal, they have nukes, Iran wouldn't only lose their Supleme leader the first day, it would have lost the whole country.



But I appreciate the fact that you said "...holding out long enough for them to leave you alone."
You didn't wallow in self-deceit the same way your folks do when they claim that Iran was victorious.
So, I appreciate your sincerity.

educatedfool:
You really should read the history you cite.

Nazism died with Hitler? Fair enough. But communism didn't die with Stalin. The USSR survived him for almost four decades, and communist states still exist today.

The Roman Empire didn't end with Caesar. In fact, it reached its greatest extent long after Caesar's death, and the Eastern Roman Empire survived for another 1,500 years.

Alexander died in 323 BC, but Hellenistic civilization and kingdoms outlived him by centuries.

Napoleon died in exile, yet French influence and the ideas of the French Revolution spread throughout Europe and beyond.

Ironically, every example you gave disproves your point.

History isn't a Marvel movie where killing the villain ends the story.

Bless you too.

Funny that you glossed over parts that just favor the opinion that you try to sell.

malakaimoscondo:
Israel dare not attack Iran only...crime minister nentayahu was projecting regional power and game changer..but in d end...Iran is now d regional and world power...do u think israel alone has interceptor for iran missile?dont wory this deal will provide iran more fortune to open their missiles industries

You guys just type from one side of your brain, let's analyse it,
1. Israel doesn't have enough interceptors to intercept iran missiles.
2. Israel has enough missiles to stop Iran from sending missiles that they can't intercept
3. Iran doesn't have interceptors
4.iran doesn't have reliable air defense system.
5. Iran dont have nuke in war of annihilation.

So if Israel comes to terms that the destruction from Iran is at a level that they can't tolerate especially when civilians and civilians infrastructure are damaged, what do you think it will be their next line of action.

Iran have US to thank, else, the world would have witness the greatest catastrophy, and one thing is certain, the Jewish state will survive it, but can we say the same for Iran?

DeepSight:
How do you want to quantify the losses? Lives, infrastructure, money, goodwill, reputational damage, leverage, compensation, future streams of income?

is good u mentioned all those factors, no matter how u want to quantify it, who do u think suffered most

Mumu US.

In your dreams

Gbadugbakun:
So when is dangote going to reduce fuel back to N700. Because that's the only thing that concerns me.

In your dreams. It was very swift to increase prices but to bring it down will be @ snail pace

Gbadugbakun:
So when is dangote going to reduce fuel back to N700. Because that's the only thing that concerns me.

FalseProphet1:
I see Iran and Isreal engaging each other in a brutal war, I see Isreal using their nukes on Iran, I see death everywhere.

This I have seen.

It will be a grave mistake for Israel to enter a war with Iran on their own. They kmow this othereise, they would have fought them many years ago. They only saw a fouuulissh president that took their bait and fought a battle on their behalf. Trust me, america will mot go there again...

Gbadugbakun:
So when is dangote going to reduce fuel back to N700. Because that's the only thing that concerns me.

That won't happen.
Sorry 😐

They all know what they're doing.

Their real goal is to keep us in debt

madridguy:
Only if Trump will be a man enough to come out publicly to say what he sees in the hand of Iran.

Those guys caused damages worth billions of dollars.

He saw shege bansa

Richcreed:
Like seriously, Iran has fatwa by the supreme leader, NO NUCLEAR WEAPON! The major reason for the war was regime change which both USA and Israel failed woefully to achieve.

TOTALLY wrong. See the ONLY excuse for the war below. Everything else was agreed upon.

Trump and others have said repeatedly that regime change wasn't an objective but that it unintentionally happened anyway