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izzou:
So how does Nigeria achieve this position of strength?

BlueRayDick:
Help me ask him o.

Me I sha know that any idea or suggestion that is not easily explainable and requires lengthy sentences filled with words like "would", "could", "should", etc is definitely not workable one.

izzou:
So how does Nigeria achieve this position of strength?

TemporaryHansel:
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Radeuter

GloriousGbola:
Vote Peter obi to find out!

O ye of little faith

Theflint1:
Izzou this is one way.

Another way is whichever government in charge actually confronts the situation with the seriousness it deserves.

Buhari was Boko Haram in spirit which meant he handled it with kid gloves, and Tinubu is disgusted with the thought of handling matters of security and when he's not expressing disgust is playing politics with it.

Theflint1:
Izzou this is one way.

Another way is whichever government in charge actually confronts the situation with the seriousness it deserves.

Buhari was Boko Haram in spirit which meant he handled it with kid gloves, and Tinubu is disgusted with the thought of handling matters of security and when he's not expressing disgust is playing politics with it.

raumdeuter:
Trump is eager to end the war because there is an election in the US in 4 months time and many of the voting population left and right are complaining about cost of goods and general support of the war.

It favors Israel for the war to continue but it doesnt favor Trump. He is losing political capital. If he loses the house and senate in midterms he can be impeached by the left. So will Netanyahu rather have Trump impeached at this point?

There is no way you can achieve regime change without either Iranians rising to do it or American boots on ground. American boots on ground means there will be American casualties and any American casualty is a death knell for Trumps admin

Trump wants to end the war anyway he can before it drags his admin down. The Iranians know he doesnt want to push the war further close to the midterm and are milking that

If you are Netanyahu you will be reasonable and know Trump is the best American ally you have, the president that has stood by you closest. When you consider the options to Trump within and outside America you know Trump is your best bet and you better stick to him

Sportsweb:
Republicans would have lost massively. The best time to have done the war was after that midterm war.

Trump lost so many supporter inside his MAGA. I doubt Israel have strong opposition like in the USA Ready to capitalize.

Disadvantage of USA president over other dictatorship big country is that those countries have no opposition. If Trump was Putin in five years war, Democrats and Americans would have kicked him out..

raumdeuter:
Trump is a realist and not an ideologue

He can change his position if things are not going as he planned

If he continues the war and his party trashed at the election, all the good things he has done reversed and he gets impeached

What good will that do to him or to Israel?

The option to Trump in US (democrats) outside US (EU China etc) are not shy to arm the enemies of Israel

Trump doesn't hate anyone on an ideological level as long as you live and let others live. Even if you are a terrible person and can be convinced to change your mind he will deal with you. As long as you dont pose an immediate danger to his country

He views everything as a business deal. No hard feelings about anything

izzou:
The bandits demand is usually money, so what's halfway to you? Reducing 500 million to 250 million?

Una dey make me dey laugh

Katsina state government has been meeting bandits halfway for years. Do you think these people will collect money or whatever demands you meet, and quit?

I believe this is a Southern way to appeal for Northern votes, because this thing makes no sense at all. Obi never applauded anybody for negotiating with bandits. He didn't negotiate as a governor in Anambra. Na as e wan become president, w remember Negotiations

Buhari proscribed IPOB. Heaven did not fall. He stood on that business till his death. Even as at today, nobody is negotiating with IPOB. Their leader is in Sokoto Maximum prison. Na Northerner run am

But when it gets to a Southerner, we begin to make sense out of nonsense so we can win election votes, even if it means half of our people dead.

raumdeuter:
Trump is eager to end the war because there is an election in the US in 4 months time and many of the voting population left and right are complaining about cost of goods and general support of the war.

It favors Israel for the war to continue but it doesnt favor Trump. He is losing political capital. If he loses the house and senate in midterms he can be impeached by the left. So will Netanyahu rather have Trump impeached at this point?

There is no way you can achieve regime change without either Iranians rising to do it or American boots on ground. American boots on ground means there will be American casualties and any American casualty is a death knell for Trumps admin

Trump wants to end the war anyway he can before it drags his admin down. The Iranians know he doesnt want to push the war further close to the midterm and are milking that

If you are Netanyahu you will be reasonable and know Trump is the best American ally you have, the president that has stood by you closest. When you consider the options to Trump within and outside America you know Trump is your best bet and you better stick to him

A40:
A realist would have considered all those options before launching Operation Epic Fury and bragging about destroying their military every day.
That's a checkers move not a chess move. The man talks wayyy too much.
For me and I've said it since, if his agenda was not overthrowing the Iranian regime then this entire exercise would be a complete waste of time. Unless it was a decoy war used to distract us from something in the first place
If you're not going to follow through no matter what then all you have done is wage an expensive war and brought unnecessary carnage to ultimately achieve nothing. No liberation for Iranians, no favorable deal for Americans and you even managed to piss off one of your biggest allies Israel.
The only people this deal favors is Iran, China and Co. That's why I keep asking if he has been working for them all this time.
If this is how he executes business deals I'm not sure anyone will want him in charge of their company.
I don't have any skin in the American election game but I'm also confused as to how ending this war with a very weak and unfavorable deal helps his party's chances in the mid terms. I believe it actually worsens it.

A40:
Which is why he should not have started it to begin with if he was not ready to see it to a logical conclusion

Look at his recent utterances. That tells me he's either working for the opp or just a very confused individual

You're supposed to make all those calculations before jumping into anything. Look at Russia that wanted to do special operations. They are still there since 2022 with no real accomplishment

So the question is did he make an unforced error or is he working for IRGC? Whatever the answer is if I were American neither he or his party would have my vote.

All these calculations is what a smart and non compromised President makes before jumping into a war. You're not Russia so you cannot get a way with brute force so why not secure full support of Congress.

If you sign a deal worse than what Obama signed then that is just poor judgement on your end. If I could vote I would not praise Trump for trying and failing to fix a avoidable problem that you created. Nobody forced him to attack Iran

Netanyahu really has no need for Trump since he will be almost gone anyway. If you're signing 'deals' that compromise my ability to face Hamas and Hezbollah then what do I need you for?

When you're gone me and my people will still have the Hamas and Hezbollah problem and other proxies as well. So he can ignore Trump without being outwardly hostile.

raumdeuter:
Unless he is a fortune teller, there is no way of seeing every thing that happened, Like they say hindsight is 20/20, everyone can play Monday morning quarterback, he shoulda done this shoulda done that

raumdeuter:
We can ask the same of every leader who has gone to war or everyone of us who has taken an action and didn't pan out 100% like we envisaged

How did he know the Iranians will not rise up after their leaders were taken out?

He talks too much and he has done way more than any president to resolve the middle east crisis, Before he came into power
there was no Abraham accord, after his first term a few Middle East countries have recognized Israel for the first time in history,
He was the president who moved the US embassy to Jerusalem which many presidents before him promised and never did
Before his second term Israel and Hamas were in a war, Israeli hostages were in Gaza, today he has secured all hostages back to Israel
Before him Khamenei was the supreme leader of Iran who can do anyhow he wants today Khamenei is with his creator

Which other US president or world leader has done this much in the ME, that is with him dealing with domestic pressures

raumdeuter:
You say you don't understand how ending the war on what you call a weak term helps him. One it reduces inflation pressures cause by gas prices which his populace are complaining about, which if it continues he loses the next elections

If you don't care about the election and he loses, then what happens to all the gains he has made in every front when he gets impeached and everything reversed

izzou:
If I have to agree with everything Obi says, then I am not different from the APC loyalists wey dey support Tinubu in everything.

There's no sense is negotiating with terrorists

izzou:
I don't know, but I don't understand why this matter will always be pampered, especially by a Southerner.

The Oyo case is still fresh. A teacher was beheaded, and people, including children are still in captivity as we speak.

Thousands of Nigerian soldiers have lost their lives to this madness. Not just the life, but the investment and resources of the country on that soldier is lost too.

And then, we have a leader who thinks a man that kills another man for money deserves to be n[b]egotiated with?

At what point do we draw the line in Nigeria?[/b]

Theflint1:
Like I said before, it's up to Peter Obi to explain exactly what he meant by the statement, and how he'd go about execution.

And regardless of what Peter Obi said now, I've been of the opinion that some non-kinetic approaches would be needed to resolve this conflict and provide lasting peace.

A40:
This is why checks and balances exist. All of which he skipped and has been left with egg on his face.
It's not about Monday Morning Quarterback when it's an avoidable situation. He gets no extra credit for that

A40:
How can the onus be on Iranian people that have been slaughtered in their tens of thousands. How many people died in the operation Endsars before everybody sempe?

Multiply that x100 and tell me what Iranian civilians are supposed to do?

Kurdish rebels are there. Did you work with them? This is what I'd expect an astute leader to do. Cover as much bases as you can
Not that you brag everyday about destroying their army, destroying their navy yet Strait of Hormuz you cannot control

A40:
Yes he killed Khamenei a 86 year old man but that achieved what? IRGC are still in charge. If your objective was not to dismantle and topple the entire thing then you could have saved taxpayers money by simply negotiating these terms with them in a diplomatic manner. They're not stupid they would have accepted and all this carnage would have been avoided

A40:
You truly believe Trump will get any positive feedback and results from a deal that has been universally blasted even by his strongest supporters

What Trump did is like your employee taking out your car without your permission crashing it and then offering to pay to fix it from his salary. And then expecting you to give him extra credit for that.

Everyone is asking. What exactly was the point of it all?

raumdeuter:
Which war in the past 50yrs has been seen to a logical conclusion? Is it Vietnam, It is Afghanistan, Is it Iraq, Is it Libya which one does not have a lingering issue

Trump said from the beginning he is not for FOREVER wars. The strategy of the Arab is to drag wars for decades and centuries so it becomes an attrition game, No one in the west has the mind for that, So what other leaders do is to cower which Trump is not doing.
Obama gave Syria Assad several lines in the sand which they crossed and he didnt do anything

raumdeuter:
If you do not vote for Trump, you are directly or indirectly voting his opponent, So ask yourself does the alternative achieve your goals? The alternative which will openly figh against Israel

This is potentially a better deal than Obamas JCPOA,

raumdeuter:
Obama gave them the money upfront, Trump promised the money if certain conditions were met
The money Obama gave them immediately found its way to proxies who used it to destabilize the region
The Obama JCPOA did not address ballistic missiles, A nuclear weapon is useless if you do not have what to deliver it. Its not like you will carry in portmanteau to drop on your opponent

raumdeuter:
Netanyahu without Trump will have to deal with his own internal and external problems. He has warrants in almost all of Europe and UN, Its the Trump support that is making them not enforce it. Its the fear of US support that is making other Arab nations deal with Israel in a goo way and even holding back their genocidal intent

UK, Australia Spain all recognized Hamas last year imagine if you have a US leader who supported that move too, what will remain of Israel today?

A40:
Yes that is why you don't get into them in the first place.
You have enough of a sample size to be armed with that information. So why did you do it
All that suggests is that he is not a thinking man
This is his biggest foreign policy blunder which is so bad it has me thinking he's working for IRGC. This is simply indefensible

A40:
Voters will likely be anybody but Trump atp. He has succeeded in pissin everyone off and I will be truly shocked if the Republicans still win the midterms
If he was not smart enough to recognize the Strait of Hormuz as Iran's biggest bargain chip then how can the rest of his judgment be trusted

A40:
But Trump is giving them even more money. And full sanctions relief. You will be dealing with a bigger problem in the future if their regime goes rogue.
Wasn't it Trump the other day saying Iran should have missiles since other teams had missiles.
There's no real obligations in this MOU I'm seeing here besides the Strait of Hormuz matter and the uranium enrichment

A40:
Netanyahu main yawa is with his Israeli people, if they want him back as PM then nothing consign am with Trump. He's not reliable so his allyship is useless.
As far as the Jewish community has a say so in majority of the Western countries especially the US Israel will still have strong legs regardless

A40:
Netanyahu main yawa is with his Israeli people, if they want him back as PM then nothing consign am with Trump. He's not reliable so his allyship is useless.

As far as the Jewish community has a say so in majority of the Western countries especially the US Israel will still have strong legs regardless

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izzou:
Is the issue of Banditry a "Conflict"?

Theflint1:
The terrorists that kidnapped the students and teachers in Oyo have as one of their demands release of their ISIS-trained commanders, and at some point have said that's all they need. Are those guys bandits, Boko Haram, Lakurawa or ISWAP terrorists?

There's a heavy overlap between Islamic/ethnic ideological warfare with varying forms of criminality, and this is more reason why non-kinetic approaches would have to be integrated.

I never said that terrorists should be negotiated with instead of defeated, not sure why that seems to be all you and BluRay took from all I've been saying.

Theflint1:
The terrorists that kidnapped the students and teachers in Oyo have as one of their demands release of their ISIS-trained commanders, and at some point have said that's all they need. Are those guys bandits, Boko Haram, Lakurawa or ISWAP terrorists?

There's a heavy overlap between Islamic/ethnic ideological warfare with varying forms of criminality, and this is more reason why non-kinetic approaches would have to be integrated.

I never said that terrorists should be negotiated with instead of defeated, not sure why that seems to be all you and BluRay took from all I've been saying.

izzou:
You didn't answer the question I asked oh.

Can we classify this issue of Banditry in Nigeria as a "Conflict"?

Theflint1:
It's not.

izzou:
Anyone who considers the issue of Terrorism and Banditry as something that deserves negotiation obviously has no plan to end it, or wants to live in deceit.

Did you think those particular bandits would lay down their weapons if the FG had released ISWAP members for the hostages?

If you offer those bandits whatever money in exchange for their weapons, they will drop it and go and buy fresh ones for money. It's simple.

Obi goofed, and I know it is so his Northern prospects won't be pissed. Sadly, the virus is spreading down south.

Buhari marched IPOB and is still marching it even in death. No form of negotiation for even a section that had a little reason to agitate.

Theflint1:
The bolded is different from what I've said sha.

I don't know whether he's saying it to appeal to a northern base, but he's made same argument across the board. Maybe he's trying to appeal to all bases, but regardless, I do think he genuinely considers that part of his approach to resolving insecurity across the country.

izzou:
Anyone who considers the issue of Terrorism and Banditry as something that deserves negotiation obviously has no plan to end it, or wants to live in deceit.

Did you think those particular bandits would lay down their weapons if the FG had released ISWAP members for the hostages?

If you offer those bandits whatever money in exchange for their weapons, they will drop it and go and buy fresh ones for money. It's simple.

Obi goofed, and I know it is so his Northern prospects won't be pissed. Sadly, the virus is spreading down south.

Buhari marched IPOB and is still marching it even in death. No form of negotiation for even a section that had a little reason to agitate.