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Explore2xmore:
The righteous will be in gardens and rivers, near a Sovereign, Perfect in Ability. It does not specifically say this is the same heaven from which Adam was sent down.

The above statement is what i'm talking about because all Muslims are confused regarding where Adam was created to stay before he sinned.

So it's either you admit that your Quran couldn't give a definitive answer or you humble yourself and learn.

I have heard that statement thousands of times from Muslims so quoting your Quran without stating where Adam was created explicitly shows you people have nothing to learn in that your book.

This is what the Bible says about Adam:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth." Genesis 1:26

Can you see how clear the Bible answered the question?

That is God's word not some copy and paste book from an impostor who does not know where Paradise was in the beginning.

The main reason i keep tormenting you is because your Quran can't answer where Paradise will be whether heaven or earth but the Bible made it clear that it was the perfect state where God put Adam that all righteous people will inherit again {Psalms 37:9-11, 29} so only Christ corulers will be taken to heaven not all righteous people! John 14:1-3🙂

Explore2xmore:
The Quran has answered these points directly, with references already provided. A person familiar with Islamic theology would know the Quran doesn’t say Adam was taken from earth to heaven and then returned. It says he was placed in a Garden and later told to descend. Claiming that the Garden must have been in heaven is an assumption, not a statement from the text itself. Even classical scholars debated this issue.
Likewise, saying the Quran copied the Bible oversimplifies the matter. Both scriptures exist within a shared Abrahamic tradition, but that’s not the same as one being a copy of the other.
The relevant verses have been cited: 2:30, 2:35, 2:38, 3:59, 15:26, 21:105, and 54:54–55. The answers are there. Rejecting them without addressing them isn’t a counterargument. And the standard should be consistent: the Bible also has not produced a clear verse proving two permanent groups of saved believers with different eternal outcomes. That question remains unanswered. When you can answer we will see clearly.
Advice you get off your haughtiness and imagination. This is an online platform with higher chances of me living longer on earth than you besides age not being a measure of knowledge.

Explore2xmore:
The relevant verses have been cited: 2:30, 2:35, 2:38, 3:59, 15:26, 21:105, and 54:54–55. The answers are there.

Just quote one out that EXPLICITLY says "EARTH" because that is exactly what is confusing all Muslims till today!🤣

None of your leaders can answer where the righteous will live after God has destroy all evildoers because that word "PARADISE" your prophet doesn't know its real meaning!😂

Gen 1:26 doesn’t actually establish a heaven/earth split for humanity, it only describes mankind’s role and authority over the earth. Surah 2:30 makes a similar point, so the overlap is conceptual, not contradictory. Likewise, Genesis says nothing about the Garden’s exact location before the fall. Reading that detail into the text goes beyond what’s written.
Psalms 37:29 supports the idea of the righteous inheriting the earth, but it still doesn’t prove two permanent classes of saved people with separate eternal destinies. That explicit teaching is still not directly shown in the passages cited.
And shifting from textual discussion to personal criticism doesn’t answer the actual point being raised the texts themselves still need to carry the argument. Grow up to that reality.

MaxInDHouse:
The above statement is what i'm talking about because all Muslims are confused regarding where Adam was created to stay before he sinned.

So it's either you admit that your Quran couldn't give a definitive answer or you humble yourself and learn.

I have heard that statement thousands of times from Muslims so quoting your Quran without stating where Adam was created explicitly shows you people have nothing to learn in that your book.

This is what the Bible says about Adam:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth." Genesis 1:26

Can you see how clear the Bible answered the question?

That is God's word not some copy and paste book from an impostor who does not know where Paradise was in the beginning.

The main reason i keep tormenting you is because your Quran can't answer where Paradise will be whether heaven or earth but the Bible made it clear that it was the perfect state where God put Adam that all righteous people will inherit again {Psalms 37:9-11, 29} so only Christ corulers will be taken to heaven not all righteous people! John 14:1-3🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Just quote one out that EXPLICITLY says "EARTH" because that is exactly what is confusing all Muslims till today!🤣

None of your leaders can answer where the righteous will live after God has destroy all evildoers because that word "PARADISE" your prophet doesn't know its real meaning!😂

Now read what God's word says:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the EARTH and every creeping animal that is moving on the EARTH" Genesis 1:26

Mr Explore can you see clearly?🤣

I have told you countless times that it's not in God's plan for humans to live in heaven the only destination for humans is planet earth though today humans have turned this planet into something else {Revelation 11:18} God promised to remove those causing the problem {Psalms 37:7-11; Proverbs 2:20-22} so Paradise will be restored on planet earth not heaven as your prophet told you.
The only reason why some are going to heaven is to rule with Christ as he said they will be taken to where he lives before coming to the earth. John 14:1-3

So there is no other verse that support this because only Jesus promised his future corulers of heavenly life and they are limited in number. Revelation 14:1

If you are thinking of going to heaven as a blessing its time to erase such in your mind God never promised anyone heaven that is the simple truth!🙂

Definitely Genesis 1:26 establishes humanity’s role in dominion over the earth and its creatures. That point is not disputed, and the Quran makes a similar statement in Surah 2:30. But having an earthly assignment does not automatically mean humans are eternally limited to earth. A responsibility over a domain is not the same thing as an absolute boundary of existence.
This creates problems in the argument. If Genesis 1:26, Psalms 115:16, and Ecclesiastes 1:4 permanently restrict all humans to earth, then the claim that 144,000 humans go to heaven becomes difficult to reconcile. Those passages cannot function as a universal restriction while also allowing a human group to have a heavenly destination.
Regarding the Quran, the questions raised have been answered with citations. Surah 2:30, 2:35, 2:38, 3:59, 15:26, 21:105, and 54:54–55. The exact location of the Garden even if debated is not ignorance but accuracy.
This same standard must apply equally. Genesis 1:26 does not explicitly teach two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations. That specific proof has still not been provided.

MaxInDHouse:
The above statement is what i'm talking about because all Muslims are confused regarding where Adam was created to stay before he sinned.

So it's either you admit that your Quran couldn't give a definitive answer or you humble yourself and learn.

I have heard that statement thousands of times from Muslims so quoting your Quran without stating where Adam was created explicitly shows you people have nothing to learn in that your book.

This is what the Bible says about Adam:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth." Genesis 1:26

Can you see how clear the Bible answered the question?

That is God's word not some copy and paste book from an impostor who does not know where Paradise was in the beginning.

The main reason i keep tormenting you is because your Quran can't answer where Paradise will be whether heaven or earth but the Bible made it clear that it was the perfect state where God put Adam that all righteous people will inherit again {Psalms 37:9-11, 29} so only Christ corulers will be taken to heaven not all righteous people! John 14:1-3🙂

Explore2xmore:
If Genesis 1:26, Psalms 115:16, and Ecclesiastes 1:4 permanently restrict all humans to earth, then the claim that 144,000 humans go to heaven becomes difficult to reconcile.

Those going to heaven aren't going there as humans the Bible made it clear that they will be transformed into angels! Luke 20:34-36
Ọmọ no dey compare God's word with that your Quran o!🤣

Luke 20:34–36 addreses the resurrection and the fact that resurrected people won’t marry or die. It does not mention the 144,000, a heavenly ruling class, or two separate eternal destinations. It answers a question about marriage, not a complete explanation of eternal arrangement.
The Quran’s position on the earth was stated in Surah 21:105. Despite the extras the question remains unanswered where is the explicit Bible verse establishing two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations? Do provide it then we can get into the extras.

MaxInDHouse:
Those going to heaven aren't going there as humans the Bible made it clear that they will be transformed into angels! Luke 20:34-36
Ọmọ no dey compare God's word with that your Quran o!🤣

Explore2xmore:
Luke 20:34–36 addreses the resurrection and the fact that resurrected people won’t marry or die. It does not mention the 144,000, a heavenly ruling class, or two separate eternal destinations. It answers a question about marriage, not a complete explanation of eternal arrangement.

Stop mentioning that useless book ọmọ it's worthless in this case!🙂

Here is what Jesus said @ Luke 20:34-36

“The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, (intelligent creatures in flesh on planet earth do get married) but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things( those who will become corulers with Christ in heaven ) and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection( will be turned into spirit creatures so they won't marry because they don't have fleshy bodies anymore)." Luke 20:34-36

Scriptures needs to be interpreted so you can't expect everything to be written explicitly as you are demanding i know you are now ashamed of that your book because it can't answer any question at all!🙂

What should be activated is someones intellectual ability for proper comprehension.
Luke 20:34–36 is about resurrection generally showing those in this age marry, but those worthy of resurrection do not die. It doesn’t mention the 144,000, heavenly rulers, or co-rulers. Those ideas come from interpretation, not the words of the passage itself.
The passage’s actual distinction is between those worthy of resurrection and those who are not. John 5:28–29 and Daniel 12:2 also frame the issue as resurrection to life versus judgment; the righteous versus the condemned.
Adding a separate heaven-versus-earth division into Luke 20 goes beyond what the text says. Interpretation is necessary, but it must come from the text and not be inserted into it.
This standard applies in the Bible. If you can produce one verse that clearly establishes two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations the ping-pong here will be unnecessary. That proof is still missing. When you have it respond otherwise keep searching.

MaxInDHouse:
Stop mentioning that useless book ọmọ it's worthless in this case!🙂

Here is what Jesus said @ Luke 20:34-36

“The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, (intelligent creatures in flesh on planet earth do get married) but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things( those who will become corulers with Christ in heaven ) and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection( will be turned into spirit creatures so they won't marry because they don't have fleshy bodies anymore)." Luke 20:34-36

Scriptures needs to be interpreted so you can't expect everything to be written explicitly as you are demanding i know you are now ashamed of that your book because it can't answer any question at all!🙂

Explore2xmore:
What should be activated is someones intellectual ability for proper comprehension.
Luke 20:34–36 is about resurrection generally showing those in this age marry, but those worthy of resurrection do not die.

So now you want to interpret Bible shey?🤣
Ọmọ go and rest this is not your book!🤣

Excellent intellectual response in reverse

MaxInDHouse:
So now you want to interpret Bible shey?🤣
Ọmọ go and rest this is not your book!🤣

Why make it that to understand scripture you loose the rational ability?

Explore2xmore:
Excellent intellectual response in reverse
Why make it that to understand scripture you loose the rational ability?

Surely you must bow to the Bible and call it "SCRIPTURES" because its inspired word of the true God but that your book is just man-made up stories that's why you can't quote any answer directly from it.

Meanwhile there still remains no verse in that your book regarding where the first human couple were created your book leaves room for different interpretations that is why you too ended up just like most Muslims saying:

Explore2xmore:
Quran 54:54–55 states that the righteous will be in gardens and rivers, near a Sovereign, Perfect in Ability. It does not specifically say this is the same heaven from which Adam was sent down.

Where was Adam living before he was sent from heaven?🤣

Still deflecting? Introducing idolatry too?

MaxInDHouse:
Surely you must bow to the Bible and call it "SCRIPTURES" because its inspired word of the true God but that your book is just man-made up stories that's why you can't quote any answer directly from it.

Meanwhile there still remains no verse in that your book regarding where the first human couple were created your book leaves room for different interpretations that is why you too ended up just like most Muslims saying:



Where was Adam living before he was sent from heaven?🤣

Explore2xmore:
Still deflecting? Introducing idolatry too?

Next time don't challenge what the Bible says because it's not just a book fabricated by some self acclaimed prophet!🤣

Pathetic. What the Bible says or what you say? Funny is that word Bible even in the scripture?

MaxInDHouse:
Next time don't challenge what the Bible says because it's not just a book fabricated by some self acclaimed prophet!🤣

Explore2xmore:
Pathetic. What the Bible says or what you say? Funny is that word Bible even in the scripture?

Little books is the meaning of that word and as we all know the Bible contains 66 little books so continue deceiving yourself with lies when your book can't answer any question!🤣

Most definitely so qualified by man who composed and collected it. How well you can see!

MaxInDHouse:
Little books is the meaning of that word and as we all know the Bible contains 66 little books so continue deceiving yourself with lies when your book can't answer any question!🤣

Explore2xmore:
Most definitely so qualified by man who composed and collected it. How well you can see!

QUESTION!
Where did God put the first couple?

ANSWER!
Bible: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

QUESTION!
Where will the righteous inherit forever?

ANSWER!
Bible: The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Psalms 37:29

Please quote answers in your book! 😂

Go acquire more knowledge then we continue

MaxInDHouse:
QUESTION!
Where did God put the first couple?

ANSWER!
Bible: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

QUESTION!
Where will the righteous inherit forever?

ANSWER!
Bible: The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Psalms 37:29

Please quote answers in your book! 😂

Explore2xmore:
Go acquire more knowledge then we continue.

Even if your prophet is alive today he will be happy to learn from me!😂

Throughout this entire discussion, the main claim that scripture explicitly teaches two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations hasn’t been demonstrated. The verses presented (Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28, Psalm 37:29, Luke 20:34–36) describe humanity’s earthly role or resurrection in general. None of them explicitly state two saved classes or two separate eternal destinies.
Adding phrases like heavenly co-rulers or spirit creatures into Luke 20 inserts a framework into the verse rather than showing what the verse itself says.
Whenever the request for an explicit text was repeated, the discussion moved elsewhere instead of producing that verse. The argument may be held as an interpretation, but the direct proof requested still hasn’t been provided.

If God created Adam and Eve on planet earth and that place was the first Paradise there is no sense expecting God to take obedient humans to another destination other than planet earth because that is where God made/designed for humans to live.

The only person who brought the idea of a future heavenly abode is Jesus and he specifically mentioned that he was talking about those who will rule with him and they will not go as humans.

However you are only hiding from this truth because you are ashamed of your book and prophet as none can answer important questions about life and the reward of godliness!🙂

Explore2xmore:
Throughout this entire discussion, the main claim that scripture explicitly teaches two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations hasn’t been demonstrated. The verses presented (Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28, Psalm 37:29, Luke 20:34–36) describe humanity’s earthly role or resurrection in general. None of them explicitly state two saved classes or two separate eternal destinies.
Adding phrases like heavenly co-rulers or spirit creatures into Luke 20 inserts a framework into the verse rather than showing what the verse itself says.
Whenever the request for an explicit text was repeated, the discussion moved elsewhere instead of producing that verse. The argument may be held as an interpretation, but the direct proof requested still hasn’t been provided.