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DARLYNBOI:
I expect you to quote the fruits especially on your number three points above ..

This thread is not for that bro , you guys should learn to know what each topic should be focused on and not derail it , if you really want to know the fruits then open a thread on it and I will gladly share my thought on the fruits of current reforms undertaken by this administration 😀.

olola4:
The Nigerian power sector would soon be like the water sector, where everyone is in charge of their own electricity with the popularity of solar inverters.

Nigerians are not expecting any miracle in the power sector anymore, and unfortunately it would lead to more problems for the GENCOs in the area of revenue generation as fewer people are paying for electricity while the majority are opting for solar inverters.

People are in charge of their water and power, because people do not want to pay the cost reflective tarrif for power and water.

If people paid the price for water and power, it would bite their pocket, but they won't need to be in charge of their water or power.

Both are expensive. You will pay a cost reflective tarrif, or you will pay the equivalent for borehole and inverter plus maintenance.

helinues:
I already come up with a solution but not mature yet for online discussion.

Acting is better than mouth running

Any solution that does not include everyone paying a cost reflective tarrif is not going to work.

If you ran a business, and only 20% of your customers paid, while the remainder did not pay you or underpaid you, your business go last?

Forget politics, even though I mentioned it, some things are just common sense.

gigabyte13:
Power generation in Nigeria is very very possible, we just have thieves and rogues at the helm of affairs.
Infact we have all it takes to generate 24hours power supply uninterrupted.
I lived in jebba, kwara state some years back, you will be shocked that , Nigeria can have uninterrupted power supply for a full week..
We used to off the fridge because of the freezing rate of the freezer.

Nigeria is so blessed with everything in this world but we have cursed leaders.
Once they attain power
They become cursed.

If the leaders looters emerge from among the people, then would you say that the people are more cursed or less cursed than the leaders





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMWUS1W_ITc?si=VRTOsly8hJelpPw3

nairalanda1:
So, why hasn't he made tarrifs cost reflective?

It's kind of ironic that in one breath you praise tinubu for removing fuel subsidy, which most nigerians opposed, then praise him for keeping power subsides that also were not working, due to 'it's what the people want'

Lack of consistency is not a vote winner.

I hope you know tariffs were reviewed upwards with plans to do that again soon
Everyone in nigeria has tagged tinubu a devil cos of trying to remove tariff on fuel and forex , yet you want him to go full circle immediately with power tariffs common bro , it will totally unsettle the country .

But if there is anything you should have observed about tinubu by now is that he is not afraid to do the difficult things.

Power subsidy will definitely go its just a matter of time .

nairalanda1:
Well, the phone and internet sector had the same issues as our electricity now, until companies were allowed to charge cost reflective tarrifs.

NO one is going to invest in a sector where over 80% of consumers are not paying for the power they consume at a cost reflective level. You won't see return on investment. And you will pull out.

That's why Glo is working, and indigenous discos are suffering.

And again, see what Prof Nnaji said. Has nothing to do with cabals.

And the West would even want us to have light 24/7. Because it would make Nigeria another place to outsource their manufacturing to, ditto China and Japan. Keeping costs of making things down.

Nothing like cabals...if there was cabals, why would they let us have working telecom, now petroleum, and not light?

Bro seriously are you going to act like Dangote is not facing serious challenges in his bid to be the anchor point for a stable supply of petroluem products? Are you forgetting all the hullaballoo of subsidy? What did it take to overcome some of these challenges? Was it simply pricing? I can name a myriad of such issues and it wasn't just pricing that sorted them.

Bro there are many systemic issues this country faces which some people are making serious bank from, electricity included. Pricing alone will not fix them.

benardtotti:
This thread is not for that bro , you guys should learn to know what each topic should be focused on and not derail it , if you really want to know the fruits then open a thread on it and I will gladly share my thought on the fruits of current reforms undertaken by this administration 😀.

The reforms yielded 150 million with adequate electricity supply already, not so?

Tinubu reforms have also crashed petrol price below N185.

Aṣiwaju ọmọlúwàbís has also made a Naira equal to one dollar.

Unfaized:
This is bullshit. You can't talk about billing where the infrastructure is non existent. What people are saying is make the infrastructure available first. That is where successive governments have failed woefully.

You have a very warped perspective of reality as a person. Stop excusing failure of government by assumption that citizens cannot pay for services. Is the infrastructure available?

Nobody is asking for free electricity, for each administration a certain amount is drawn as budget to improve electricity generation and distribution, your questions should be directed at the lack of results and not based on uneducated guesses.

Ask why Nigeria is still below 10k MW after releasing billions of $ down from Obj's administration till this one.

Ok, when GSM was introduced , we had to pay cost reflective tarrifs from day 1.

That's what built the infrastructure. Cost reflective tarrifs attracted investment and also gave banks the confidence to lend to the GSM companies because they knew they would see their money back.

MTEL, the GSM subsidisary of NITEL, the government run company, was charging below cost reflective tarrifs, and as a result, could not earn enough to compete with GSM giants MTN and now AIRTEL.

See the result.

Yes, MTN and co poured in money, but they did so because they knew they would see guaranteed ROI. That's why even Bharti Airtel entered the Nigerian and african market self.

Omi24:
As for me and my family we'll be managing our solar power till when Nigeria decides to get it right.

No doubt power is expensive we know and I believe people pay according to their consumption using prepaid meters. Make the power available, fix your tariff and watch if people will not pay and use it judiciously

GSM charged cost reflective tarrifs when their service was, compared to today, bad.

And it attracted the investment to improve infrastructure. Government spent zero money on it (except to prop up MTEL which it owned and which was forced to operate at a loss in the name of cheap services, which meant no profit to compete with the big boys.).

Why not the same for power supply?

If you expect a Presidential candidate in Nigeria to completely give you a breakdown of his action plans when he emerges, then you will wait forever bra.


Peter Obi will no give out his action plans and actual policies to you Nigerians that love stealing ideas without recommendation or reference.



If you Nigerians are not convinced enough to vote and defend your votes for Peter Obi against Tinubu's rigging plans until he is announced winner, then you guys can continue to enjoy your Bala blu bulaba government

Chylo:
Obi never said he will add 10000. That's how misinformation starts. He said he will generate, transmit and distribute at least 10,000WM in 4 years. We are currently distributing only around 5000 (even though installed capacity is more). So he will essentially double it.

As to how he will do it, it rests on the integrity of the leader. Let all the other candidates say how they will do theirs, then Obi will also say his own. You guys cannot be clever by half.

Well, I am voting for Obi, but I too would like to hear in detail how he plans to do it.

We should stop tolerating populist sloganeering. Look at the leader we have now. Used slogans to get into office, running the country down now.

We want Obi the man who will change Nigeria, not Obi who will be tinubu part 2.

nairalanda1:
So recently, Peter Obi made a comment that he was going to improve our power supply by 10000mw, which would take us up to 32000 mw...which should be enough for us to get light 24/7 (subject to the Siemens project working)...and the response was tinubu supporters making fun of Obi as a man without ideas, while Obi supporters praised their man as being wisdom incarnante.

Except that Obi did not tell us how he plans to do it.

Which essentially begs the question, how do we vote for a guy who promises us something, but does not tell us how to do it.

Which leads me back to Tinubu. IN 2023, tinubu said...if you vote me and I do not give you constant power supply, vote me out in 2027.

Naturally tinubu supporters were praising their man as being a tough minded leader, etc, etc....while Obi people are now calling in the receipts. Man has not done as promised so he should be kicked out.


Which leads me to my point.

Tinubu and obi never/have not told Nigerians how they intend to improve power supply.


The truth of the matter is, we have a plan, laid out by the experts, about power supply. A decent , strong plan....cost reflective tarrifs, ending power theft, and rolling out metering.

But neither tinubu nor obi, nor even atiku or any potential candidate would mention that because it does not win votes. (Sowore would probably announce a plan to give 24 hour light a day at N1 per kwh).


Nigerians , regardless of political party, like hearing populist language. If a leader came into office and started doing the things the experts have said we should do, he would be voted out. Or chased out. You will see the Fulani herdsmen marching with the Igbo farmer, the Yoruba trader marching with his Hausa counterpart, and there would be riots.


And the leader would be voted out.

That is why whoever takes office, won't be allowed to improve power because Nigerians think that electricity should be free of charge.

When in reality, it is not possible.

Electricity costs money. If you won;t pay for it in cost reflective tarrif, you will pay for it in generator and inverter monies. That is what Band A taught us.

And on that Band A, the idea of tinubu was not original. India has a similar system, present for decades, that commercial and industrial properties would pay a cost reflective tarrif and the profits would be used to pay for subsidising the poor farmers and rural people

And after doing that, has power supply in India improved? (No.).

Infact India is planning to make everyone pay cost reflective tarrfs in five years time.


SO, if it didn't work in India, how e go work in NIgeria?

The only way we can get free power is to take massive loans totalling nearly 2/3rd of our budgets for the next ten or more years...and while it may give us enough light, it would also put us in heavy debt for it.


In 2025, Prof Barth Nnaji, who is definetly not a Tinubu supporter put it well



SAUCE : LEADERSHIP NEWSPAPER


I have been saying the above for years, but people here abuse me, so I may as well quote the actual expert, who is a qualified engineer, a former ministar of power, and an owner of a GENCO.

And he is not the first or the last to state that this needs to be done. PwC have said it, several experts have been saying it, a BBC report said it, and so forth.

Yet, Nigerians and their candidates choose to believe the fiction of corruption or some evil Western zionist overmind does not want to give us light.

It is easier to believe conspiracy theory fiction

Like NIgerians, like candidates.


Good afternoon.

I expcet to be abused and to be told about other countries that somehow magically give free power(the macs won't add that those countries pay for it with heavy taxes, or heavy debt).

Nigerians are not asking for 24/7 power supply again, not even free health or education and nobody is worried about bad roads anymore. Nigerians are now asking that government should allow them live, and not be killed by terrorists. Nigeria is slowly moving from backwardness into oblivion.

voortrekker966:
Truth is no black African leader can do better than the other. I'm not a Tinubu supporter but he is not doing anything different from his predecessors. Yaradua is praised for reducing the price of petrol during his time but the highest corruption in subsidy happened under him.

I agree with you that Peter Obi may not be able to change anything in Nigeria's power situation. Not because he will not be able to do it but because of the reasons you stated. South Africa is battling the same thing; black people feel electricity should be free.

Yeah, it';s kind of painful

Nigeria lost four refineries because people wanted cheap kerosense, diesel and petrol. That tends to stifle proftability.

Image123:
It's why you need to understand a bit of science. You're talking vibes.

Tell me what l need to know, am a science student.....
So tell me more about electricity generation that l don't know

PulaPower:
To me, Tinubu already delivered constant light. During previous government, many areas across Nigeria do only see light maybe 5x a month. But now, the situation is different. Many areas across Nigeria are seeing light daily… Some are seeing light 6/7/8/9/10/20 hours in this present day Nigeria as we speak. Such thing does not exist in the past under previous government. But today, many Nigerians can beat their chest that about having light everyday..

To me, Tinubu already delivered constant light. What’s remaining now is having the light regular. One thing is to have light everyday, another thing is to have light 24hours everyday. Many Nigerians can boost of using light everyday, but not many can boost of having it 24hours everyday..

So, to me, the solution to having light regular is to remove complete subsidy on electricity, just exactly we’ve remove subsidy on petrol - which eventually stopped Nigerians from spending 5hours at filling station to purchase 5litres of fuel..

Bless!

Well, tinubu hasn't removed subsidy for the same reason obi won't suggest doing it, and for that matter atiku.

They want to be elected, not to make hard decisions.

It's kind of tiring that we keep electing leaders who refuse to make hard decisions until circumstances...

LordReed:
Bro seriously are you going to act like Dangote is not facing serious challenges in his bid to be the anchor point for a stable supply of petroluem products? Are you forgetting all the hullaballoo of subsidy? What did it take to overcome some of these challenges? Was it simply pricing? I can name a myriad of such issues and it wasn't just pricing that sorted them.

Bro there are many systemic issues this country faces which some people are making serious bank from, electricity included. Pricing alone will not fix them.

1. Issues in the petroleum industry arise from us not taking a decision that should have been taken much much earlier.

2. If fuel subsdiy had gone since the early 1990's , we may have long since passed the teething stage, but we said no, and kept on saying no.

When a hard decision is delayed, this is the result.

benardtotti:
I hope you know tariffs were reviewed upwards with plans to do that again soon
Everyone in nigeria has tagged tinubu a devil cos of trying to remove tariff on fuel and forex , yet you want him to go full circle immediately with power tariffs common bro , it will totally unsettle the country .

But if there is anything you should have observed about tinubu by now is that he is not afraid to do the difficult things.

Power subsidy will definitely go its just a matter of time .

NO, tarrifs were only reviewed upwards for band A customers, who are a minority, not for everyone.

Please do not tell half truths here.

2026 and turds are finding it hard to generate electricity. The coal man has to be one of those whose prefrontal cortex operates on 8bit.

MrSly:
I don't know where you got the assersio that nigerian see energy as a free stuff. We pay heavily for electricity. In fact I pay an average of 35k monthly on electricity. That is for my household only. So how is it free? Please stop giving us misleading topic to support your tinubu covertly. PO said he would improve power and that he would do using the revenue from the sector. Tinubu had increased electricity bill to 10time, yet nothing to show for it. Tinubu can't fix any single thing in nigeria.

1. I doubt your house is representative of Nigeria

2. How can I support a tinubu whom I have just castigated for having no plan to deal with power beyond polemics? Dude, are you all right?

3. And yeah, I am voting tinubu out, and voting for Obi next year, despite my criticism of him.

4. Face the point of the article.

5. ELectricity is expensive. Whether we like it or not.

MrPresident1:
You will pay for your crimes against the humanity, against the people. Your inhumanity will find you out. You cannot escape punishment for your evil

So, for suggesting that a company should make a profit so that it can offer you improved services, I am apparently evil?

Right.



Ye better hand back that diploma, my good sir.

This is a very useless write-up. The OP can go to hell.

tesseract:
This is a very useless write-up. The OP can go to hell.

Thank you very much, Lord Zeus. How's Hera doing these days.? Well I assume?

franchasofficia:
If you expect a Presidential candidate in Nigeria to completely give you a breakdown of his action plans when he emerges, then you will wait forever bra.


Peter Obi will no give out his action plans and actual policies to you Nigerians that love stealing ideas without recommendation or reference.



If you Nigerians are not convinced enough to vote and defend your votes for Peter Obi against Tinubu's rigging plans until he is announced winner, then you guys can continue to enjoy your Bala blu bulaba government

Well, I expect him to do so, otherwise he is no better than tinubu.

(And I am still voting for Obi, but let's not lie. Aren't you tired of 'i will give you roads' leaders?)

Solcampbell:
This topic shows Helinues as the OP when opened, but on the front page it appears to have been posted by Nairalanda1.

Why did you later delete the post?

So helinues is thesame person as nairalanda1

We don catch you today.

I've always said to that Nairalanda1 guy to come out with his full chest and support ThieffffNUBU, but he has been pretending like one nonpartisan person.

@Kaymaxi2222

Reason why Band A are not getting light 24/7 is basically because any profits from band A are negated by the losses from the other bands, who form the majority of customers, which means gencos and discos cannot provide enough light...because overall, they lose money

See my India analogy, where a similar system means power losses for all.

Everyone has to pay, or we take more massive loans.

Solcampbell:
This topic shows Helinues as the OP when opened, but on the front page it appears to have been posted by Nairalanda1.

Why did you later delete the post?

So helinues is thesame person as nairalanda1

We don catch you today.

That's why I've always told nairalanda1 he's either an IMF stooge or an APC data boy trying to sound intelligent.

@SeverusSnape

I am voting for Obi.

Thank you.

nairalanda1:
Well, the phone and internet sector had the same issues as our electricity now, until companies were allowed to charge cost reflective tarrifs.

NO one is going to invest in a sector where over 80% of consumers are not paying for the power they consume at a cost reflective level. You won't see return on investment. And you will pull out.

That's why Glo is working, and indigenous discos are suffering.

And again, see what Prof Nnaji said. Has nothing to do with cabals.

And the West would even want us to have light 24/7. Because it would make Nigeria another place to outsource their manufacturing to, ditto China and Japan. Keeping costs of making things down.

Nothing like cabals...if there was cabals, why would they let us have working telecom, now petroleum, and not light?

A. Over 60% of the population (roughly 140 million Nigerians) live below the poverty line, according to the World Bank.
Folks under poverty line cant afford electricity at the commercial rates.
Its a simple fact.

B. There are also key flaws in your telecoms and power analogy.

1. Telecoms services have elastic demand while power is inelastic.
2. Telecoms sector is a competitive market with multiple players...(DisCos) operates as localized monopolies...
3. Telecoms run efficiently on independent power, isolating them from grid collapse.
Power distribution requires a massive, shared, and highly vulnerable physical transmission-and-distribution network.

C. The power sector cannot treat a billionaire in Ikoyi and a subsistence farmer in a rural village the same way.
in the name of cost reflective pricing .

D. While I agree with the fact that the power grid must be profitable to attract investors,
Regulations must shield low-income earners through targeted government subsidies and cross-subsidies from high-volume consumers

@BrickandLace

So, saying that a company must make a profit means that one is an IMF stooge.

Thanks.

I guess that your local trader, hawker, and so forth are also IMF stooges since they believe in the prinicple of making a profit.

nairalanda1:
1. Issues in the petroleum industry arise from us not taking a decision that should have been taken much much earlier.

2. If fuel subsdiy had gone since the early 1990's , we may have long since passed the teething stage, but we said no, and kept on saying no.

When a hard decision is delayed, this is the result.

The subsidy removal alone would have still led to the same result. Has subsidy removal fixed the moribund refineries? Do you realise some people are making bank from the never-ending Turn Around Maintenance that never does anything significant?

Ni

Unfaized:
This is bullshit. You can't talk about billing where the infrastructure is non existent. What people are saying is make the infrastructure available first. That is where successive governments have failed woefully.

You have a very warped perspective of reality as a person. Stop excusing failure of government by assumption that citizens cannot pay for services. Is the infrastructure available?

Nobody is asking for free electricity, for each administration a certain amount is drawn as budget to improve electricity generation and distribution, your questions should be directed at the lack of results and not based on uneducated guesses.

Ask why Nigeria is still below 10k MW after releasing billions of $ down from Obj's administration till this one.

The man is talking nonsense. Take for instance the issue of telephone. When it came it was very expensive. Service was widely available. The people that can afford it were buying. With more entrants the cost started dropping. More and more users were joining. With one single tariff, each person buys whatever he or she can afford. But the point is, the service is widely available. Power should be done like this. Service should be made available, one single cost effective tariff should be charged, meter should be made available to every user, each person buys whatever he can afford to buy, simple.

Willie2015:
A. Over 60% of the population (roughly 140 million Nigerians) live below the poverty line, according to the World Bank.
Folks under poverty line cant afford electricity at the commercial rates.
Its a simple fact.

B. There are also key flaws in your telecoms and power analogy.

1. Telecoms services have elastic demand while power is inelastic.
2. Telecoms sector is a competitive market with multiple players...(DisCos) operates as localized monopolies...
3. Telecoms run efficiently on independent power, isolating them from grid collapse.
Power distribution requires a massive, shared, and highly vulnerable physical transmission-and-distribution network.

C. The power sector cannot treat a billionaire in Ikoyi and a subsistence farmer in a rural village the same way.
in the name of cost reflective pricing .

D. While I agree with the fact that the power grid must be profitable to attract investors,
Regulations must shield low-income earners through targeted government subsidies and cross-subsidies from high-volume consumers

I hate to say this, but the same arguments you are making about the electricity sector were made about GSM

Most Nigerians are too poor to afford their service was a common argument back then

At the end, we have tried your way, now it is time to do something different. Or we keep on paying for power in terms of solar inverter, petrol and so forth.