₦airaland Forum

LordReed:
The subsidy removal alone would have still led to the same result. Has subsidy removal fixed the moribund refineries? Do you realise some people are making bank from the never-ending Turn Around Maintenance that never does anything significant?

nairalanda1:
@BrickandLace

So, saying that a company must make a profit means that one is an IMF stooge.

Thanks.

I guess that your local trader, hawker, and so forth are also IMF stooges since they believe in the prinicple of making a profit.

nairalanda1:
So recently, Peter Obi made a comment that he was going to improve our power supply by 10000mw, which would take us up to 32000 mw...which should be enough for us to get light 24/7 (subject to the Siemens project working)...and the response was tinubu supporters making fun of Obi as a man without ideas, while Obi supporters praised their man as being wisdom incarnante.

Except that Obi did not tell us how he plans to do it.

Which essentially begs the question, how do we vote for a guy who promises us something, but does not tell us how to do it.

Which leads me back to Tinubu. IN 2023, tinubu said...if you vote me and I do not give you constant power supply, vote me out in 2027.

Naturally tinubu supporters were praising their man as being a tough minded leader, etc, etc....while Obi people are now calling in the receipts. Man has not done as promised so he should be kicked out.


Which leads me to my point.

Tinubu and obi never/have not told Nigerians how they intend to improve power supply.


The truth of the matter is, we have a plan, laid out by the experts, about power supply. A decent , strong plan....cost reflective tarrifs, ending power theft, and rolling out metering.

But neither tinubu nor obi, nor even atiku or any potential candidate would mention that because it does not win votes. (Sowore would probably announce a plan to give 24 hour light a day at N1 per kwh).


Nigerians , regardless of political party, like hearing populist language. If a leader came into office and started doing the things the experts have said we should do, he would be voted out. Or chased out. You will see the Fulani herdsmen marching with the Igbo farmer, the Yoruba trader marching with his Hausa counterpart, and there would be riots.


And the leader would be voted out.

That is why whoever takes office, won't be allowed to improve power because Nigerians think that electricity should be free of charge.

When in reality, it is not possible.

Electricity costs money. If you won;t pay for it in cost reflective tarrif, you will pay for it in generator and inverter monies. That is what Band A taught us.

And on that Band A, the idea of tinubu was not original. India has a similar system, present for decades, that commercial and industrial properties would pay a cost reflective tarrif and the profits would be used to pay for subsidising the poor farmers and rural people

And after doing that, has power supply in India improved? (No.).

Infact India is planning to make everyone pay cost reflective tarrfs in five years time.


SO, if it didn't work in India, how e go work in NIgeria?

The only way we can get free power is to take massive loans totalling nearly 2/3rd of our budgets for the next ten or more years...and while it may give us enough light, it would also put us in heavy debt for it.


In 2025, Prof Barth Nnaji, who is definetly not a Tinubu supporter put it well



SAUCE : LEADERSHIP NEWSPAPER


I have been saying the above for years, but people here abuse me, so I may as well quote the actual expert, who is a qualified engineer, a former ministar of power, and an owner of a GENCO.

And he is not the first or the last to state that this needs to be done. PwC have said it, several experts have been saying it, a BBC report said it, and so forth.

Yet, Nigerians and their candidates choose to believe the fiction of corruption or some evil Western zionist overmind does not want to give us light.

It is easier to believe conspiracy theory fiction

Like NIgerians, like candidates.


Good afternoon.

I expcet to be abused and to be told about other countries that somehow magically give free power(the macs won't add that those countries pay for it with heavy taxes, or heavy debt).

LordReed:
The subsidy removal alone would have still led to the same result. Has subsidy removal fixed the moribund refineries? Do you realise some people are making bank from the never-ending Turn Around Maintenance that never does anything significant?

epainos:
I agree with this writer. There are many issues wrong with Nigeria; however, without first removing corruption, na suffer pro max for the masses. The exact way IBB asked OluFalae to implement SAP and people suffered only for the military to loot everything. Lol.

Tell us to pay more and we will suffer. Band A paying huge, have they gotta enough light? So, when people dont trust the system they will rebel against any decision made. This is the issue here.

BrickandLace:
Helinues you have tried...I look forward to when you open your own business and charge your customers to outer space and back.

nairalanda1:
Any solution that does not include everyone paying a cost reflective tarrif is not going to work.

If you ran a business, and only 20% of your customers paid, while the remainder did not pay you or underpaid you, your business go last?

Forget politics, even though I mentioned it, some things are just common sense.

Kaymaxi2222:
Ask yourself this question the band A people who are paying the cost effective as you termed it, are they enjoying electricity as it is right now?

helinues:
You have expressed your own opinion while I am taking action on mine without mouth running

Same problem, different solutions

helinues:
You have expressed your own opinion while I am taking action on mine without mouth running

Same problem, different solutions

nairalanda1:
1. In a way, corruption is a symptom of the system of subsides. After all when estimating how much would be spent in subsides, padding results since we do not know how much money we would actually need....wink wink. A cost reflective regimen would eventually bring efficency, which would reduce or even eliminate corruption

Also, since subsidies are not regularly paid, companies may need to lie to get extra money, and keep running well.

2. We paid more for GSM, and back then people cried suffering and oppression. And they even had extra ammo..services were godawful (One could not even call a NITEL Landline from an MTN line in the early days). But once investment poured in, things got better, and well, services got cheaper

Also, remember that generation and distribution are private. And one thing private companies that are well run hate is..corruption.

anonimi:
What is simple and straightforward about this story, which is at variance with what All Promises Cancelled, APC’s Tinubu and Buhari achieved since 2015, like Fashola bragged when Jagaban of Borgu was begging his fellow northerner to make Jonathan a one term president?

This was four years after the master strategist said that Buhari was an expired old soldier.

nairalanda1:
As expected....I thought that I would get some reasonable points in oppositon, and I got them but for some...

Anyway, people should google for the paper 'Solving the liquidity crunch in the power sector'

Also, Ivory Coast.

nairalanda1:
Yes, but still, let's forget politics. You can't run any business without everyone paying a price that enables the business to work at a profit.

That is why we have working markets, and why we have a growing soft drinks and beverages business sector, and a now slowly but very surely booming petroleum sector for example, but a stagnant power sector.

moscow007:
If Obi fails we vote him out too👌

For now Tinubu has to go

nairalanda1:
How many years does it take to fix a moribound refinery or build a new one?

That;s why we should have removed subsidy years ago.

You are asking the wrong question, to be honest.

Even the TAM that you are talking about, subsidy essentially meant that we skipped TAM from 1994-2009 to save money. Add the fact that subsidy also meant that there was no money for upgrades of the refineries. TAM doesn;t upgrade refineries, it just keeps em running.

Hence their becoming moribound, run things at a loss, expect to lose them

LordReed:
Bro let's not sugar coat anything, there are powerful cabals invested in keeping things a certain way in this country because they are profiting heavily from the status quo. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's the reality. And it will take a strong-willed set of leaders to break this mind set or else no matter what plans are laid they'll never amount to anything.

nairalanda1:
So recently, Peter Obi made a comment that he was going to improve our power supply by 10000mw, which would take us up to 32000 mw...which should be enough for us to get light 24/7 (subject to the Siemens project working)...and the response was tinubu supporters making fun of Obi as a man without ideas, while Obi supporters praised their man as being wisdom incarnante.

Except that Obi did not tell us how he plans to do it.

Which essentially begs the question, how do we vote for a guy who promises us something, but does not tell us how to do it.

Which leads me back to Tinubu. IN 2023, tinubu said...if you vote me and I do not give you constant power supply, vote me out in 2027.

Naturally tinubu supporters were praising their man as being a tough minded leader, etc, etc....while Obi people are now calling in the receipts. Man has not done as promised so he should be kicked out.


Which leads me to my point.

Tinubu and obi never/have not told Nigerians how they intend to improve power supply.


The truth of the matter is, we have a plan, laid out by the experts, about power supply. A decent , strong plan....cost reflective tarrifs, ending power theft, and rolling out metering.

But neither tinubu nor obi, nor even atiku or any potential candidate would mention that because it does not win votes. (Sowore would probably announce a plan to give 24 hour light a day at N1 per kwh).


Nigerians , regardless of political party, like hearing populist language. If a leader came into office and started doing the things the experts have said we should do, he would be voted out. Or chased out. You will see the Fulani herdsmen marching with the Igbo farmer, the Yoruba trader marching with his Hausa counterpart, and there would be riots.


And the leader would be voted out.

That is why whoever takes office, won't be allowed to improve power because Nigerians think that electricity should be free of charge.

When in reality, it is not possible.

Electricity costs money. If you won;t pay for it in cost reflective tarrif, you will pay for it in generator and inverter monies. That is what Band A taught us.

And on that Band A, the idea of tinubu was not original. India has a similar system, present for decades, that commercial and industrial properties would pay a cost reflective tarrif and the profits would be used to pay for subsidising the poor farmers and rural people

And after doing that, has power supply in India improved? (No.).

Infact India is planning to make everyone pay cost reflective tarrfs in five years time.


SO, if it didn't work in India, how e go work in NIgeria?

The only way we can get free power is to take massive loans totalling nearly 2/3rd of our budgets for the next ten or more years...and while it may give us enough light, it would also put us in heavy debt for it.


In 2025, Prof Barth Nnaji, who is definetly not a Tinubu supporter put it well



SAUCE : LEADERSHIP NEWSPAPER


I have been saying the above for years, but people here abuse me, so I may as well quote the actual expert, who is a qualified engineer, a former ministar of power, and an owner of a GENCO.

And he is not the first or the last to state that this needs to be done. PwC have said it, several experts have been saying it, a BBC report said it, and so forth.

Yet, Nigerians and their candidates choose to believe the fiction of corruption or some evil Western zionist overmind does not want to give us light.

It is easier to believe conspiracy theory fiction

Like NIgerians, like candidates.


Good afternoon.

I expcet to be abused and to be told about other countries that somehow magically give free power(the macs won't add that those countries pay for it with heavy taxes, or heavy debt).

LordReed:
Exactly what I am saying. If the subsidy was removed and we had the money to do the upgrades but the cabals spirited the money away, what would be different from what we have today?

Solcampbell:
So helinues is thesame person as nairalanda1

helinues:
Your epistle is sensational because no practical solution.

Let me give you a hint. We need as many as transformers across streets. That's number one major cause of the power failure.

Nepa brought light within a mins, inside same house, one is using boiling ring, one is using iron while another one is using electric stove.

In such situation, it's the transformer that will suffer it , if the transformer can't hold the heat, its going back to the power line

benardtotti:
1. First let me address this popular propaganda that opposition have used to try and de-market Bola Tinubu about power.
Tinubu gave a caveat in that very video that they use for propaganda but it's either our education system has gone totally to zero or people just choose to be funny , at the end of that video he said " unless I come to you and give adequate reasons why I couldn't deliver "
Please see link to that clip below :
https://youtube.com/shorts/LPkRq5ooGKM?si=CqdsWHo5S0fClYKZ

2. I agree with all you have said about power but Nigerians dont want to pay what developed countries pay for electricity

3. Of all the candidates tinubu still gets my vote as he has shown courage to try new reforms that even though looked harsh have begun to bear fruit .

epainos:
Well said. I agree with you.


Bro, what helped us in GSM is leaving the analog. We condemned the whole NITEL infrastructure and created a new one. This is where disruptive innovation helped.

I edited my last post before I saw this. Never knew that you would even reply me. So, bro...it is only something innovative that can change this situation we are in. And the only solution I have so far is the standard alone system I mentioned in my last post - install solar power at home and enjoy it in.peace.


Sir, if I was the president today, I would just invest heavily in solar. We have lithium and we will just make batteries. Also make panels. Turn roofs to panels. Make laws so we can use solar roofs for good places..

Sir. Then, let people with extra power sell it into the national grid. Simple.

Will those guys allow this to happen? I doubt it.

Femi Otedola is going into nuclear power, but sir...with this Iran war..do you think we will ever habe nuclear in Nigwria also?

jamafa:
Yes, we are. Minimum of 18hrs daily. Averagely 20hrs daily. Sometimes self 3 days dem no go commot light

tit:
Tinubu has failed.

benardtotti:
1. First let me address this popular propaganda that opposition have used to try and de-market Bola Tinubu about power.
Tinubu gave a caveat in that very video that they use for propaganda but it's either our education system has gone totally to zero or people just choose to be funny , at the end of that video he said " unless I come to you and give adequate reasons why I couldn't deliver "
Please see link to that clip below :
https://youtube.com/shorts/LPkRq5ooGKM?si=CqdsWHo5S0fClYKZ

2. I agree with all you have said about power but Nigerians dont want to pay what developed countries pay for electricity

3. Of all the candidates tinubu still gets my vote as he has shown courage to try new reforms that even though looked harsh have begun to bear fruit .

yorosstores:
Again , you do not understand the post at all. This isn't about APC or whatever, but about the problem of a Nigeria's power.

What's my business with BRF or who ever has made promises. We are talking about the actual issues and experts referenced but you cannot see beyond party politics.

helinues:
Express your solutions independently without hiding under my comments.

Thank you

benardtotti:
1. First let me address this popular propaganda that opposition have used to try and de-market Bola Tinubu about power.
Tinubu gave a caveat in that very video that they use for propaganda but it's either our education system has gone totally to zero or people just choose to be funny , at the end of that video he said " unless I come to you and give adequate reasons why I couldn't deliver "
Please see link to that clip below :
https://youtube.com/shorts/LPkRq5ooGKM?si=CqdsWHo5S0fClYKZ

2. I agree with all you have said about power but Nigerians dont want to pay what developed countries pay for electricity

3. Of all the candidates tinubu still gets my vote as he has shown courage to try new reforms that even though looked harsh have begun to bear fruit .

nairalanda1:
I hate to say this, but the same arguments you are making about the electricity sector were made about GSM

Most Nigerians are too poor to afford their service was a common argument back then

At the end, we have tried your way, now it is time to do something different. Or we keep on paying for power in terms of solar inverter, petrol and so forth.