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gentlegenius:
You need to learn from the responses you are getting here and try to start thinking with your brain, even while you believe in your heart. From the passage you quoted at the beginning of your sermon, it was the PRIEST who couldn't stand the power of the presence of the Lord and had to fall to the ground. But in your picture, and also every other case of 'falling under anointing' in our churches, it is only some members that fall; the priest never falls for once. Or have you ever seen a priest fall in 'the presence of the Lord' in our generation? Does it mean today's priests are more powerful than the force of the presence of the Lord that they can't fall? This is why you need to think more with your head than you believe in your heart.
You even experienced it when a 'genuine man of God' prayed for you, but how come all the genuine men of God that I know in this world don't have anyone falling in their church, rather, only charlatans like some Nigerian fake prophets we all know are the ones making people fall in their church?
USE YOUR HEAD OR ELSE, SOMEONE 'FAKE' WILL USE IT FOR YOU!

There are different levels of Anointing.

Sometimes the Anointing can be so strong, even the priests or pastors can't remain on their feet.

However most of the time God ministers the anointing through the priests or pastors because they have consecrated themselves through hours of fasting and prayer.

But that doesn't mean there are not fake pastors! They are plenty, but God has own genuine ministers!

It's simply theatrics, which has no place in Christianity. Study the Gospel and show me where the Lord Jesus Christ taught them anything like that!

Nothing like falling for anointing it is just a joke between the pa'stors and is gulliiiiiblle followers

Choiceone1:
what you know nothing about don't say it. What happened in the upper house in d Bible?

Why don't you say what you know about?? Do you even read your Bible?
Give me one single bible verse where any of the 12 Apostles, and Silas, Barnabas, Timothy, Titus (any name at all in all new testament scriptures) ministered and people started falling under the anointing. Just one!

Salt06:
U mean uve never read where the people that came to arrest Jesus fell under the anointing abi

That was Jesus He is God Himself in the flesh.

Did Peter or any of the apostles replicate that??
Christianity relies heavily on apostolic precedence. Whatever you didn't read that those apostles did, should raise every hair of skepticism on your head.
Are current day Pentecostal pastors more anointed than Peter, Paul and co??

judewrites:
That's not true. We all have varying measurements of God's presence and anointing.

Just tell me one place in the new testament where that fact is established.

At least, I quoted where the Bible said the same anointing abides in us. You can just use mouth to argue against a bible verse - are you a Christian? You must show me another place in the scripture that negates this.

daniwise:
This thread is filled with so many ignorant people.So are you trying to tell me that holy spirits dont exist?I am a direct beneficiary of the holy spirit.That is all I have to say.

Every time the Apostles touched people, those people rose up from their disability or sickness to walk and jump and praise God.
Why would a pastor now touch people and they're doing the opposite - falling?? That needs serious investigation!
The Holy Spirit exists surely. But we didn't read in the Bible that He operated that way.

Olatundex22:
😂😂😂😂 I have very funny life stories about this when I’m still young. My mom invited me to their church program one year like. The pastor said all the youth to come forward for prayer normally I don’t want to join them but my mom forced me to go out and join other we all lined up
As pastor start praying , putting hand on people head one by one people start falling😩😩😩😩 serious fall one guy almost to my stand fall and tumble😒😒 i said nah in my mind nop nop I’m not falling sht here. My turn is like wast of time the pastor do do, push, to give me raking is only option to make me fall but the pastor couldn’t do it because of plenty eyes.😎😎😎😎 to cut the story short I’m the only one that didn’t fall. my mom shout Jesus Christ that my witch has grown and birth 😆😆😆😆 for months my mom didn’t let me rest she always remind me how strong my witch has become that only me didn’t fall out of many kids in church

Shame on the mentality of ur mom. Huge shame.

obailala:
Those cameramen and ushers aren't participating in the prayers. A very important condition for it to work on a person is that the person has to focus and participate in the activity.

This is also true in the art and science of HYPNOTISM, a key condition for it to work is that the person has to be interested, has to be focused and has to participate in the activity. An example is the popular 419 wash-wash craft in Nigeria. A key ingredient for the hypnotism to work is that the victim MUST be interested in the 'scam deal' and has to willingly show interest, else the hypnotism wouldn't work.

Back to the cameramen issue: next time you see a cameraman or usher not falling under anointing, its because they arent participating in the prayers. They're busy pressing phones or cameras or are just spectators. If you see cameramen or ushers ever falling anywhere, na acting or juju.

Xtians and their propensity to explain nonsense. They will deceive themselves and convince themselves of the lies.

Common gettoutta here!

obailala:
Those cameramen and ushers aren't participating in the prayers. A very important condition for it to work on a person is that the person has to focus and participate in the activity.

This is also true in the art and science of HYPNOTISM, a key condition for it to work is that the person has to be interested, has to be focused and has to participate in the activity. An example is the popular 419 wash-wash craft in Nigeria. A key ingredient for the hypnotism to work is that the victim MUST be interested in the 'scam deal' and has to willingly show interest, else the hypnotism wouldn't work.

Back to the cameramen issue: next time you see a cameraman or usher not falling under anointing, its because they arent participating in the prayers. They're busy pressing phones or cameras or are just spectators. If you see cameramen or ushers ever falling anywhere, na acting or juju.

Wash-wash scam doesnt require interest and is simply based on pure science, where the currency is coated in glue and iodized to form a white coating.

Who do u want to deceive here on nairaland abi u think say everybody na ur mate for here?

WeirdAlien:
Every time the Apostles touched people, those people rose up from their disability or sickness to walk and jump and praise God.
Why would a pastor now touch people and they're doing the opposite - falling?? That needs serious investigation!
The Holy Spirit exists surely. But we didn't read in the Bible that He operated that way.

If you are chosen by God you already have
the powers to command mountains to disappear,but it takes a lot of self denial and sacrifice.Yes,I agree that some of these miracles are staged but I know that holy spirits are real.They are with us

THEY'RE JOKERS, JUST TRYING TO BE RELEVANT AND DOING ANYTHING TO ENTERTAIN THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Look. What Jesus need is repentance and not falling. After falling they go back to their evil ways. Does that mean anything? They continue Sunday worship, they ignore God festivals and ignore God sabbath. The Lord says, many will claim to be wright but don't be deceived only few are wright. Many are called but few are chosen.

JoeEeL:
Xtians and their propensity to explain nonsense. They will deceive themselves and convince themselves of the lies.

Common gettoutta here!

Sorry

JoeEeL:
Wash-wash scam doesnt require interest and is simply based on pure science, where the currency is coated in glue and iodized to form a white coating.

Who do u want to deceive here on nairaland abi u think say everybody na ur mate for here?

There's an element of hypnosis in wash-wash and other similar scams where victims are hypnotised into going home quietly to go bring money with strict instruction not to speak to anyone on the way. If you're unaware of this, then no point proceeding with this conversation.

obailala:
Sorry

lol

WeirdAlien:
Just tell me one place in the new testament where that fact is established.

At least, I quoted where the Bible said the same anointing abides in us. You can just use mouth to argue against a bible verse - are you a Christian? You must show me another place in the scripture that negates this.

“For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.”
— John 3:34 (KJV)


“Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,”
— Ephesians 3:20 (KJV)

“Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,”
— Ephesians 3:20 (KJV)

“For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.”
— John 3:34 (KJV)

WeirdAlien:
Just tell me one place in the new testament where that fact is established.

At least, I quoted where the Bible said the same anointing abides in us. You can just use mouth to argue against a bible verse - are you a Christian? You must show me another place in the scripture that negates this.

Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,”
— Ephesians 3:20 (KJV)

“For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.”
— John 3:34 (KJV)
Modify

judewrites:
Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,”
— Ephesians 3:20 (KJV)

“For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.”
— John 3:34 (KJV)
Modify

Ephesians 3:20
Simply saying God will give us more than what we ask. No reference to the "measure" of Holy Ghost here.

John 3:34
John the Baptist was talking about Jesus here, clearly. Not disciples, not believers.

Besides, of what benefit is it to the person that "fell under the anointing" and the pastor that "impacted" them? Will it give them a bigger healing, or repentance, or blessing?? Or will it make the pastor a better preacher??

The Holy Ghost is purposeful, not a show off. And He's not a compelling spirit either.

People can get injured or even die from those falls. Do you think God's spirit would want that?? The Spirit does His work effectively without putting the children of God at risk of physical harm! After all, Jesus and His apostles healed people without putting them in harm's way.

The gifts of the Spirit are diverse. But none is greater in measure. The only reason one has higher manifestation than the other, is how much you allow Him to use you. It doesn't mean you have "more measure", it means you allow more to flow through you. And if all of us allow more of Him, we'd all be operating at the same level.

daniwise:
If you are chosen by God you already have
the powers to command mountains to disappear,but it takes a lot of self denial and sacrifice.Yes,I agree that some of these miracles are staged but I know that holy spirits are real.They are with us

I'm not even saying it's staged or bad. I'm pointing out the fact that we need to be very skeptical about these things, and careful not to create a standard out of things the Bible didn't tell us they are.
People are easily moved by "miracles", and it's the best way to be deceived. They see raw power, the rush it, and they forget the whole essence of the gospel.

WeirdAlien:
Ephesians 3:20
Simply saying God will give us more than what we ask. No reference to the "measure" of Holy Ghost here.

John 3:34
John the Baptist was talking about Jesus here, clearly. Not disciples, not believers.

Besides, of what benefit is it to the person that "fell under the anointing" and the pastor that "impacted" them? Will it give them a bigger healing, or repentance, or blessing?? Or will it make the pastor a better preacher??

The Holy Ghost is purposeful, not a show off. And He's not a compelling spirit either.

People can get injured or even die from those falls. Do you think God's spirit would want that?? The Spirit does His work effectively without putting the children of God at risk of physical harm! After all, Jesus and His apostles healed people without putting them in harm's way.

The gifts of the Spirit are diverse. But none is greater in measure. The only reason one has higher manifestation than the other, is how much you allow Him to use you. It doesn't mean you have "more measure", it means you allow more to flow through you. And if all of us allow more of Him, we'd all be operating at the same level.

Jesus was the given the Holy Spirit without measures, because He is God.

Haven't you heard of the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Through the baptism of the Holy Spirit, one has access to the Holy Spirit without measures. But no one can have the fullness of the Holy Spirit like Jesus.

As for Ephesians 3:20, it's talking about the power of God through the Holy Spirit in us.

That power is in measures in us though it is immeasurable.

Falling "under the annionting ' is common in , and largely restricted to Pentecostal churches and their members. There is a reason for this

The beliefs and expectations of the believers, combined with the emotionally charged atmosphere, trigger certain physiological processes in the body that make them lose control and fall down easily. Though some believers fake it, the experience is real and genuine for the person whose body has responded the right way to make them fall.

However, no holy spirit is involved . It is a normal, predictable brain response to a specific set of triggers I already mentioned: the individual's belief and expectations, combined with intense emotional arousal, and sometimes physical factors like tiredness, fasting and prolonged standing. The same brain mechanism is at work in fans of celebrities who faint or swoon when touched by their idols What the mind expects, the body can manifest .

For any Pentecostal Christian reading this, please be aware I haven't disnnised the "holy spirit" or said it doesn't exist if that is your belief. I only offered an explanation which finds scientific support for why people fall down easily in church, but which they link to the holy spirit

Honestly, apart from the temporary feeling of power or euphoria during and immediately after the experience, there are no lasting tangible benefits that I can see. So, I don't really understand the point of people falling down. Nothing fundamentally changes in their lives afterward.

triplechoice:
Falling "under the annionting ' is common in , and largely restricted to Pentecostal churches and their members. There is a reason for this

The beliefs and expectations of the believers, combined with the emotionally charged atmosphere, trigger certain physiological processes in the body that make them lose control and fall down easily. Though some believers fake it, the experience is real and genuine for the person whose body has responded the right way to make them fall.

However, no holy spirit is involved . It is a normal, predictable brain response to a specific set of triggers I already mentioned: the individual's belief and expectations, combined with intense emotional arousal, and sometimes physical factors like tiredness, fasting and prolonged standing. The same brain mechanism is at work in fans of celebrities who faint or swoon when touched by their idols What the mind expects, the body can manifest .

For any Pentecostal Christian reading this, please be aware I haven't disnnised the "holy spirit" or said it doesn't exist if that is your belief. I only offered an explanation which finds scientific support for why people fall down easily in church, but which they link to the holy spirit

Honestly, apart from the temporary feeling of power or euphoria during and immediately after the experience, there are no lasting tangible benefits that I can see. So, I don't really understand the point of people falling down. Nothing fundamentally changes in their lives afterward.

From a pentecostal point of view, the visuals are good as they indirectly bring money in through a false visual of the power and prescence of the Holy spirit.

All na wash.

Baba God dey wait wit koboko as he nor send anybodi dat kain message.