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Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by AngelicBeing: 3:19am On Jun 24
Mariangeles:
The gift of riches/wealth is different from the gift of long life.
That you're rich/wealthy does not automatically mean you will live long.

There are principles that unlock each and every gift.
Gbamsulotey, life is governed by PRINCIPLES , that is why those who are not Believers in God or Atheist, skeptics and God haters, excel or succeeed in life because they follow the Divine principles of God which they reject or don't believe in, and the principles work for whoever applies them regardless of your believe in God or not
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by QuinQQ: 3:41am On Jun 24
Mariangeles:
Coincidentally, I came across this on my YouTube feed.

https://youtube.com/shorts/24RvZbdqgfw?si=qLgWbpES-niHTYXG

Apostle Joshua Selman is very much gifted in the Word.
AngelicBeing:
You are absolutely correct, what a powerful teaching and it resonates with what I counsel someone few days ago, whenever he shares Testimonies of what God is doing and has done in his life, those who are in the same line of Ministry with him who despite been Sons and daughters of the land with lots of support systems available to them but are still failures in their Country, gets offended or respond to the guys testimony with Lukewarmness / Coldness or team
remain silent or display subtle fake anger or fake smile to These guy's testimony and l cautioned him to Stop sharing his Testimonies to those set of people, Envy and Jealousy are real and they are Twin evils

Thanks for sharing this video clip with me, l watched it and it was a DIVINE confirmation of what I told the Guy few days ago.
cool
Lol, it is called the Evil Eye, a basic spiritual law.
Basically it says if you make people feel jealous, you must collect, one way or another. Not necessarily because the people are bad or wish you bad, it is just how it works.
It is well explained here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-dvfCFTRVw?is=dxN4X8HcRMKJBxY2
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by Hassanmaye(m): 5:44am On Jun 24
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by TenQ: 5:50am On Jun 24
erniok:
Really? Cherry picking in action right?
Did tou see UNPREDICTABLE EVENT in your preferred definition and then luck? And my objective is not to deny the use of word LUCK

The context meaning is that you do not have any control of what happens.

What you call Luck is what we call Grace BECAUSE it is SOMETHING given by God without any input from you
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by AngelicBeing: 6:27am On Jun 24
QuinQQ:
Lol, it is called the Evil Eye, a basic spiritual law.
Basically it says if you make people feel jealous, you must collect, one way or another. Not necessarily because the people are bad or wish you bad, it is just how it works.
It is well explained here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-dvfCFTRVw?is=dxN4X8HcRMKJBxY2
Interesting teaching from the Rabbi.

Thanks for sharing.

cool
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by BigYash: 6:29am On Jun 24
kodded:
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Mr Hosea answer this. The richest man in Africa,is he a Christian?

Being a billionaire has got nothing to do with Christianity. God blessed those who he chooses to bless,you can't force him oga.

Being wealthy has principles,even an evil man will apply it,and he will be wealthy. And if that grace is upon him,boom he becomes. You being a Christian doesn't guarantee you becoming rich.
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by kodded(m): 6:55am On Jun 24
BigYash:
Mr Hosea answer this. The richest man in Africa,is he a Christian?

Being a billionaire has got nothing to do with Christianity. God blessed those who he chooses to bless,you can't force him oga.

Being wealthy has principles,even an evil man will apply it,and he will be wealthy. And if that grace is upon him,boom he becomes. You being a Christian doesn't guarantee you becoming rich.
The richest man in the world and the first trillionaire in history is a Christian

And yes as a Christian, you are guaranteed wealth here on earth but it can only be accessible if you follow and apply the laid down rules on how to be successful

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.



Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Psalms 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psalms 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.




How many Christians that you know applied Joshua 1:8 and Psalm 1:2-3 and still remain poor in life?
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by BigYash: 7:04am On Jun 24
kodded:
The richest man in the world and the first trillionaire in history is a Christian

And yes as a Christian, you are guaranteed wealth here on earth but it can only be accessible if you follow and apply the laid down rules on how to be successful

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.



Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Psalms 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psalms 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.




How many Christians that you know applied Joshua 1:8 and Psalm 1:2-3 and still remain poor in life?
You are quoting Scriptures and lying. The richest person in the world is Elon Musk (CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, and xAI), and he does not identify as a Christian. Musk has described himself publicly as an atheist.
Let's even start from home. Is the richest man in Africa a Christian or not? Since African seems to be more religions than the whole world. You can quote bible from Gen to rev. Answer that question first
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by kodded(m): 7:07am On Jun 24
BigYash:
You are quoting Scriptures and lying. The richest person in the world is Elon Musk (CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, and xAI), and he does not identify as a Christian. Musk has described himself publicly as an atheist.
Let's even start from home. Is the richest man in Africa a Christian or not? Since African seems to be more religions than the whole world. You can quote bible from Gen to rev. Answer that question first
elon musk is a Christian and he us the richest man and richest african too
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by erniok(m): 8:03am On Jun 24
TenQ:
Did tou see UNPREDICTABLE EVENT in your preferred definition and then luck? And my objective is not to deny the use of word LUCK

The context meaning is that you do not have any control of what happens.

What you call Luck is what we call Grace BECAUSE it is SOMETHING given by God without any input from you
Grace has design and was planned by God as against luck which happens unpredictably. The are 2 entirely different terms. If you say"God controls luck", I wouldn't argue but saying they are same is just n̈onsense
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by mukthar2000(m): 8:24am On Jun 24
Story, every Nigerians should be waiting for lucky as u advice then.


Non of this inventors would aspect that government loot are kept under them to run their investment.


Lucky ko
Emeka niii

Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by Ochyes: 8:25am On Jun 24
What he said is true. If you have played Monopoly board game and you have understand the game you can relate with him. Having opportunity, being prepared for your opportunity and taking action is really important to wealth creation.
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by BigYash: 8:50am On Jun 24
kodded:
elon musk is a Christian and he us the richest man and richest african too
I am sure you have Google and chatgpt on your phone. You can do your search
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by Mattswaggz: 10:15am On Jun 24
ScamDemicEra:
... there are levels in business, politics, entertainment, sports etc you can never reach without belonging to the occult, some high levels can't be reached without selling your soul to the devil !

the occultists will never tell you that, they took a vow of secrecy -instead they spew all kinds of cock n bull genius stories for the sheeples !!
Gibberish from an ignorant mind.
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by Mrfeel: 10:52am On Jun 24
erniok:
Being prepared is one thing. Being prepared and meeting an opportunity is anothing affair altogether. When people meet opportunities and lose it, it's either they were not prepared or never recognised it as opportunity.
I know people who had every opportunity to succeed and were well prepared for it but lost it to misfortune
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by Mariangeles(f): 3:05pm On Jun 24
QuinQQ:
Lol, it is called the Evil Eye, a basic spiritual law.
Basically it says if you make people feel jealous, you must collect, one way or another. Not necessarily because the people are bad or wish you bad, it is just how it works.
It is well explained here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-dvfCFTRVw?is=dxN4X8HcRMKJBxY2
Thanks for sharing this.
Learned a thing or two from it.
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by Mariangeles(f): 3:07pm On Jun 24
AngelicBeing:
Gbamsulotey, life is governed by PRINCIPLES , that is why those who are not Believers in God or Atheist, skeptics and God haters, excel or succeeed in life because they follow the Divine principles of God which they reject or don't believe in, and the principles work for whoever applies them regardless of your believe in God or not
Right.
The gifts/blessings of God are without repentance.

AngelicBeing:
You are absolutely correct, what a powerful teaching and it resonates with what I counsel someone few days ago, whenever he shares Testimonies of what God is doing and has done in his life, those who are in the same line of Ministry with him who despite been Sons and daughters of the land with lots of support systems available to them but are still failures in their Country, gets offended or respond to the guys testimony with Lukewarmness / Coldness or team
remain silent or display subtle fake anger or fake smile to These guy's testimony and l cautioned him to Stop sharing his Testimonies to those set of people, Envy and Jealousy are real and they are Twin evils

Thanks for sharing this video clip with me, l watched it and it was a DIVINE confirmation of what I told the Guy few days ago.


cool
It happens everywhere.

One just have to pray for discernment and divine protection.
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by Samueltemi337(m): 3:42pm On Jun 24
RealityKings1:
If you play enough card and enough shuffles, you'll realize it is chance and luck.
I want to get luck
Howfar reality
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by TenQ: 4:09pm On Jun 24
erniok:
Grace has design and was planned by God as against luck which happens unpredictably. The are 2 entirely different terms. If you say"God controls luck", I wouldn't argue but saying they are same is just n̈onsense
Grace is what was given to you without your effort.

DJ Cuppy is a billionaire because she found herself to be the daughter of Mr Femi Otedola.

Luck is still grace given to you when you assume it has nothing tp do with God's gift.
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by lawani(m): 4:23pm On Jun 24
TenQ:
Grace is what was given to you without your effort.

DJ Cuppy is a billionaire because she found herself to be the daughter of Mr Femi Otedola.

Luck is still grace given to you when you assume it has nothing tp do with God's gift.
You will understand being born into any family isn't luck if you understand reincarnation and the fact that we are spirits. Spirits only incarnate in lines that they have right in. Your children are incarnates of the spirits of your ancestors or that of your wife, they can also be incarnates of members of your spiritual family in heaven. It is a close knit thing which isn't determined by luck. Your children chose you. You didn't choose them nor were they products of luck
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by erniok(m): 5:19pm On Jun 24
TenQ:
Grace is what was given to you without your effort.

DJ Cuppy is a billionaire because she found herself to be the daughter of Mr Femi Otedola.

Luck is still grace given to you when you assume it has nothing tp do with God's gift.
Oga, there is effort in grace . It's just not what you laboured for (wage). You have a role to play in grace. If not not so, Paul would not say "if you believe(effort). If you do not receive (effort) grace, you won't get it. Grace has been planned by God.

Luck on the other hand is not planned for by you. Just like getting on a plane and finding out the next passenger is otedola and you've been making efforts to see him without success. It was a "chanced" meeting you had no role in how it happened. You can decide to seize the moment or ignore it.

Like I said earlier, God controls chance/luck as the bible shows.
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by TenQ: 5:28pm On Jun 24
lawani:
You will understand being born into any family isn't luck if you understand reincarnation and the fact that we are spirits. Spirits only incarnate in lines that they have right in. Your children are incarnates of the spirits of your ancestors or that of your wife, they can also be incarnates of members of your spiritual family in heaven. It is a close knit thing which isn't determined by luck. Your children chose you. You didn't choose them nor were they products of luck
Reincarnation is one of the most stupid Theology in the Universe.


May I ask you this question:
What is the PURPOSE of Reincarnation?
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by TenQ: 5:36pm On Jun 24
erniok:
Oga, there is effort in grace . It's just not what you laboured for (wage). You have a role to play in grace. If not not so, Paul would not say "if you believe(effort). If you do not receive (effort) grace, you won't get it. Grace has been planned by God.

Luck on the other hand is not planned for by you. Just like getting on a plane and finding out the next passenger is otedola and you've been making efforts to see him without success. It was a "chanced" meeting you had no role in how it happened. You can decide to seize the moment or ignore it.

Like I said earlier, God controls chance/luck as the bible shows.
Tell me
What effort did DJ Cuppy put into becoming a Billionaire?

Do you think its only hardworking that made Sha'Carri Richardson the best sprinter or Tiwa Savage an acclaimed Musician, or Funke Akindele a successful actor?

What if each were born with Down Syndrome?
What if, each died in the Womb?
What if each had a mental problem?

The most hardworking human beings are the poorest and most Wretched in the world.

Part of Grace is ABILITY to Work and Work Hard!
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by lawani(m): 5:58pm On Jun 24
TenQ:
Reincarnation is one of the most stupid Theology in the Universe.


May I ask you this question:
What is the PURPOSE of Reincarnation?
There is a civilization of spirits in heaven and their primary reason of being incarnated is to generate food for sustenance in heaven. There are other reasons that may come along after the primary reason

For example your primary reason for going to school is to upgrade yourself to be more relevant in the society but there are other reasons
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by lawani(m): 6:03pm On Jun 24
TenQ:
Tell me
What effort did DJ Cuppy put into becoming a Billionaire?

Do you think its only hardworking that made Sha'Carri Richardson the best sprinter or Tiwa Savage an acclaimed Musician, or Funke Akindele a successful actor?

What if each were born with Down Syndrome?
What if, each died in the Womb?
What if each had a mental problem?

The most hardworking human beings are the poorest and most Wretched in the world.

Part of Grace is ABILITY to Work and Work Hard!
You chose your parents but I don't even think DJ Cuppy's Dad was very rich before she was born but he was ok

If one were born im becile, then that incarnation would not be eventful but not a waste still because the incarnation will still be able to generate food though not much for it's spirit. It isn't a big deal. The spirit will get food but not plentiful.
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by TenQ: 8:51pm On Jun 24
lawani:
There is a civilization of spirits in heaven and their primary reason of being incarnated is to generate food for sustenance in heaven. There are other reasons that may come along after the primary reason

For example your primary reason for going to school is to upgrade yourself to be more relevant in the society but there are other reasons
You avoided my question

May I ask you this question:
What is the PURPOSE of Reincarnation?
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by TenQ: 8:56pm On Jun 24
lawani:
You chose your parents but I don't even think DJ Cuppy's Dad was very rich before she was born but he was ok
The Father of of Femi Otedola (the grandfather of DJ Cuppy) was a former Governor of Lagos state and a business man.


lawani:
If one were born im becile, then that incarnation would not be eventful but not a waste still because the incarnation will still be able to generate food though not much for it's spirit. It isn't a big deal. The spirit will get food but not plentiful.
May I ask you this question:
What is the PURPOSE of Reincarnation for an slowpoke?
What is the PURPOSE of Reincarnation for a child aborted by the mother?
What is the PURPOSE of Reincarnation for a baby who died as a child?


You still haven't answered the question! because Reincarnation is one of the most illogical explanation of existence!
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by lawani(m):
TenQ:
The Father of of Femi Otedola (the grandfather of DJ Cuppy) was a former Governor of Lagos state and a business man.



May I ask you this question:
What is the PURPOSE of Reincarnation for an slowpoke?
What is the PURPOSE of Reincarnation for a child aborted by the mother?
What is the PURPOSE of Reincarnation for a baby who died as a child?


You still haven't answered the question! because Reincarnation is one of the most illogical explanation of existence!
Spirits don't know the integrity of a foetus and that is why we have iim beciles. When the foetus turns out to be an im becile, they often stay since they are still able to harvest food. They will get food but not as much as a fit person. It depends on the spirit, it can stay or choose to go back

If a pregnancy is aborted the spirit will go back to queue. A spirit can even cause self abortion which happens when they have chosen the line they want to come through and the woman is trying to award the pregnancy to another person.

You can die at anytime which does not change the primary purpose of incarnation that I already mentioned. If you are enrolled in a university it is not a must you graduate

If you die young, you take whatever quantity of food you have generated as a spirit like that
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by QuinQQ:
Mariangeles:
Thanks for sharing this.
Learned a thing or two from it.
AngelicBeing:
Interesting teaching from the Rabbi.
Thanks for sharing.
cool
U quite welcome. Check out his other videos. What the videos do is keep you reminded there are actually spiritual laws; they also impact you with Jewish wisdom garnered over thousands of years
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by QuinQQ: 1:22am On Jun 25
Nackzy:
There's nothing like luck.. it's only a moving man that will meet his luck meaning he was working very hard.. so it's work not hard work
Yeah, but what got him moving in the first place - LUCK of being born with a non-lazy, can-do spirit
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by TenQ: 6:17am On Jun 25
lawani:
Spirits don't know the integrity of a foetus and that is why we have iim beciles. When the foetus turns out to be an im becile, they often stay since they are still able to harvest food. They will get food but not as much as a fit person. It depends on the spirit, it can stay or choose to go back

If a pregnancy is aborted the spirit will go back to queue. A spirit can even cause self abortion which happens when they have chosen the line they want to come through and the woman is trying to award the pregnancy to another person.

You can die at anytime which does not change the primary purpose of incarnation that I already mentioned. If you are enrolled in a university it is not a must you graduate

If you die young, you take whatever quantity of food you have generated as a spirit like that
I know all these, but I wasn't asking you for how reincarnation takes place. .

My question was about the PURPOSE or WHY or the OBJECTIVE of Reincarnation.


here again is the question i've asked.

What is the objective and logical PURPOSE of Reincarnation?
Re: Tony Elumelu Sparks Debate After Attributing Billionaire Success To “luck” by lawani(m): 7:49am On Jun 25
TenQ:
I know all these, but I wasn't asking you for how reincarnation takes place. .

My question was about the PURPOSE or WHY or the OBJECTIVE of Reincarnation.


here again is the question i've asked.

What is the objective and logical PURPOSE of Reincarnation?
.But you didn't know any of it or you wouldn't have described reincarnation the way you described it.

Again the primary purpose of reincarnation or incarnation in the first instance is to generate spirit food for spirit sustenance in heaven. I have repeated this a few times already
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