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Please I need to know why people mainly from the SE are against state policing that is about to be passed by the Senate.

Below is one reason.

Ndi Igbo rejects state police, backs regional policing

https://guardian.ng/news/ndi-igbo-rejects-state-police-backs-regional-policing/

State police will be under state governors which would enable their misuse, while regional provides oversight.

budaatum:
Below is one reason.



State police will be under state governors which would enable their misuse, while regional provides oversight.

This is utter rubbish.

The bill calling for an amendment of the 1999 constitution to allow for state policing clearly states that the powers to draw up the modalities for a state police rests in the hands of the state legislative branch.

It's up to each respective state legislative branch to work out the modalities for appointing a state commissioner and in whose authority that lies.

States can even decide to opt for making the position of Commissioner of Police an elective one so that the emergence of a commissioner of police will not be tied to the governor's office.

I will prefer this option so that when a commissioner is obviously inept or corrupt , he can either be impeached or be voted out from office .

Budget approval can even be directly from the state police submitting it's own budget outside the executive and funding secured without executive interference.

Regulatory authority can rest on a special jount legislative-Judiciary commission setup to oversee and regulate the state police.

This your excuse won't fly.

DomPerignon:
Please I need to know why people mainly from the SE are against state policing that is about to be passed by the Senate.

Lol. Because they are insincere.

Here to learn. This thread should be interesting

TopBanter:
Lol. Because they are insincere.

It's more than that and the 0k0r0 mod hid a response to why they don't want state policing and it's down to not wanting other states outside their SE especially in the SS and SW from having the enforcement arm to laws that will protect and promote indigeneship rights.

With state police, every state governor must win 2 terms.u know the rest.governors are unexploded atomic bombs

Eba50:
With state ppolice, every state governor must win 2 terms.u know the rest

That's if the state legislative branch are foolish enough to draw up laws that will hand the state police to the governor.

Because the person behind the proposal isn’t an Igbo man..

It was the same similar reason they hated secession clause back then, only for them to later cried so hard for it now..

Actually, you have shown me how high it does fly.

For starts, it's not my "excuse". It is the view and opinion of those who said it. Second, you are unnecessarily rude!

If you are interested in educating yourself, please go and learn how Tinubu is being 'accused' of weaponising the Nigerian Police and the EFCC and the courts and the judges. And also study how the USA DOJ is being weaponised. I am certain you'd find a "special joint legislative-Judiciary commission setup to oversee and regulate the state police" there somewhere, which might make you consider that those opposing state police are not waiting for the hunter to learn to shoot without missing before they start teaching themselves to fly without perching.

FSBoperator:
This is utter rubbish.

The bill calling for an amendment of the 1999 constitution to allow for state policing clearly states that the powers to draw up the modalities for a state police rests in the hands of the state legislative branch.

It's up to each respective state legislative branch to work out the modalities for appointing a state commissioner and in whose authority that lies.

States can even decide to opt for making the position of Commissioner of Police and elective one so that the emergence of a commissioner of police will not be tied to the governor's office.

Budget approval can even be directly from the state police submitting it's own budget outside the executive and funding secured without the executive interference.

Regulatory authority can rest on a special jount legislative-Judiciary commission setup to oversee and regulate the state police.

This your excuse won't fly.

We have ESN and wo no need for state police
State police will clash with ESN and ESN will crush them

budaatum:
Actually, you have shown me how high it does fly.

For starts, it's not my "excuse". It is the view and opinion of those who said it. Second, you are unnecessarily rude!

If you are interested in educating yourself, please go and learn how Tinubu is being 'accused' of weaponising the Nigerian Police and the EFCC and the courts and the judges. And also study how the USA DOJ is being weaponised. I am certain you'd find a "special joint legislative-Judiciary commission setup to oversee and regulate the state police" there somewhere, which might make you consider that those opposing state police are not waiting for the hunter to learn to shoot without missing before they start teaching themselves to fly without perching.

My friend go and sit down.

The bill currently under consideration by the Senate grants the state legislative branch full powers to draw up how a state police will operate and under whose powers a commissioner can be appointed and where their funding and oversight will come from.

All those security votes your governors have been stealing and not spending up to a fraction on security will go directly to funding a state police .

The state police will be jointly regulated by the Nigerian Police Commission , the State legislative and a special judiciary board of enquiry setup specifically to address any public complaints .

States can even make the position of a state police commissioner an elective one .


There are so many state police in the US that can be used as an example where the governor has next to zero control of the county sheriff's office talk more of state police.

As I said your excuse is totally invalid

How then can you regulate a regional policing force where there are no regional govts ?

Under which legislative branch will the authority come from?

Rutherford2019:
We have ESN and wo no need for state police
State police will clash with ESN and ESN will crush them

The manpower will be from your state .

Are you saying that you are just against policing ?

budaatum:
Actually, you have shown me how high it does fly.

For starts, it's not my "excuse". It is the view and opinion of those who said it. Second, you are unnecessarily rude!

If you are interested in educating yourself, please go and learn how Tinubu is being 'accused' of weaponising the Nigerian Police and the EFCC and the courts and the judges. And also study how the USA DOJ is being weaponised. I am certain you'd find a "special joint legislative-Judiciary commission setup to oversee and regulate the state police" there somewhere, which might make you consider that those opposing state police are not waiting for the hunter to learn to shoot without missing before they start teaching themselves to fly without perching.

No coherent answers or reason why you don't want state policing instead you deflected to Tinubu your God sent nemesis.

FSBoperator:
As I said your excuse is totally invalid

I do understand how difficult it is for you to understand that it is not my excuse despite my careful choice of words.

Regardless, today I'm ignoring mannerless people, and advice you go and discuss with someone who opposes state police and disregards your lack of manners.

Who are those in the South East opposing state police?

FSBoperator:
No coherent answers or reason why you don't want state policing instead you deflected to Tinubu your God sent nemesis.

I never said I don't want state police, so yes, "no coherent answers or reason why"!

And Tinubu is not in any way my nemesis, though he is not my preferred candidate as I am now antiAPC.

Golly, FSB! Is it your plan to pick fights today?

budaatum:
I never said I don't want state police, so yes, "no coherent answers or reason why"!

And Tinubu is not in any way my nemesis, though he is not my preferred candidate as I am now antiAPC.

Golly, FSB! Is it your plan to pick fights today?

Since you have decided to be the mouthpiece of those against State policing , you should tell us why .

And your reason that you gave on their behalf is total balderdash.

The reason for the likes of Oby and NINAS rejecting State policing is the same reason why Ojukwu rejected Gowon's decree 8 that was meant to create regional armies.

greatiyk4u:
Who are those in the South East opposing state police?

Oby and NINAS.

budaatum:
I do understand how difficult it is for you to understand that it is not my excuse despite my careful choice of words.

Regardless, today I'm ignoring mannerless people, and advice you go and discuss with someone who opposes state police and disregards your lack of manners.

You seem really angered that I rightly rejected your useless excuse and the option preferred by people like Oby.

Same Oby, for whatsoever reason removed History from our secondary school national curriculum.

FSBoperator:
You seem really angered that I rightly rejected your useless excuse and the option preferred by people like Oby.

Same Oby, for whatsoever reason removed History from our secondary school national curriculum.

I am not angered at all because it is not my excuse that you rejected.

The federal police is currently unable to police my Orolu Kingdom, so well organised and run state police will be very welcome.

FSBoperator:
It's more than that and the 0k0r0 mod hid a response to why they don't want state policing and it's down to not wanting other states outside their SE especially in the SS and SW from having the enforcement arm to laws that will protect and promote indigeneship rights.

This is how you people usually reason, after everything you will come to regret. People that have foresight has seen what will happen with state policing but just look at where your brain has reached just to ridicule the south east. Someone has given you a reason for that and you in your we-know-it-all attitude has tried to take it to elsewhere just to bedevil the South East.
The truth is the Governors are going to abuse state policing to the highest level. In elections, the will be no challenger anymore, it will also be used to witch hunt opponents. Regional policing would have been better but since the state policing is already in place, let's try it and see how it goes.

Isobug:
This is how you people usually reason, after everything you will come to regret. People that have foresight has seen what will happen with state policing but just look at where your brain has reached just to ridicule the south east. Someone has given you a reason for that and you in your we-know-it-all attitude has tried to take it to elsewhere just to bedevil the South East.
The truth is the Governors are going to abuse state policing to the highest level. In elections, the will be no challenger anymore, it will also be used to witch hunt opponents. Regional policing would have been better but since the state policing is already in place, let's try it and see how it goes.

You can only doubt the capacity of your state in organizing the best state police but don't take that for other states who can handle it.

Besides it's not compulsory for any state to establish it

Ttalk:
You can only doubt the capacity of your state in organizing the best state police but don't take that for other states who can handle it.

Besides it's not compulsory for any state to establish it

You can only argue this because you want to use it to further perpetuate your evil propaganda against South East. Of course everything done in Nigeria, you guys must find somewhere to use it to be devil the South East. You and I know what a typical Governor in Nigeria is capable of doing including your own state that you want to stylishly exonorate.
Meanwhile, in as much as I have try to give you some reasons for that, I myself have not seen where they say igbos are against it. For instance below is an igboman speaking good about it
https://www.nairaland.com/8698157/state-police-biggest-security-reform#139829468

FSBoperator:
Since you have decided to be the mouthpiece of those against State policing , you should tell us why .

I am not the "mouthpiece of those against State policing", and I suggest you learn to improve your comprehension ability.

I would rather have better organised and legislated for state police than the amotekun and hisbah that some states currently have.

I was one of those that supported state Police but after putting so many things into consideration, I realized that State Police will end up becoming a tool of oppression, intimidation and for election rigging for Governors.


I know Tinubu's main goal is to empower Lagos state which is more like his family's personal business center.


If truly Tinubu wants to do an overhaul of our security architecture to reduce insecurity and improve local policing and security in Nigeria, then he ought to do the below



1.) Make it compulsory that every Federal Commissioner of Police and all heads of tactical teams and formations under Police command must be indigenes of that state.


2.) Every Commanding Officer of every military cantonment in any state in Nigeria must be an indigene of that state.

3.) Every Director of DSS in every state in Nigeria must be indigene of that state.

4.) Every Civil Defense Corps Boss in any Nigeria state must be an indigene of that state.

Do this alone and watch insecurity and terrorism die a natural death in Nigeria with time.


Then with time, we can start the process of recognizing regional governments using the six geopolitical zones as template, from there, we can have Regional Prime Ministers for each of the 6 geopolitical zones, then we can have Regional Police. Gradually we can phase out Presidency and move to Regional government with a less powerful Prime Minister whose role will be more focused on foreign policies, border control and defense against external threats.



This is the only way to make a meaningful impact in Nigeria.


State Police even though it sounds nice on paper could fragment Nigeria and turn to another chaos. We ought to have a sincere electoral law that reduces rigging and election results manipulation to say 85% first before empowering our corrupt, rascal state Governors with a State Police to avoid abuse and using the state Police to rig election and perpetuate themselves and their corrupt cronies into office perpetually while the people remain helpless to change or remove them

Ttalk:
Besides it's not compulsory for any state to establish it

I wonder if Nigerian Police would police such states.

In fact, if I were willing to be cynical, I'd think the Federal Government is trying to reduce cost by transfering police to states. And I am concerned that some states' police might end up underfunded like schools currently are, and those unpoliced states might end up being where criminals set up base.