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| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 3:39pm On Jun 25 |
iamoyindamola:You heard a Northern governor say AK47 is part of Fulani culture and you cannot stop them from carrying gun. The North is living a different reality from the south. Na here in the south guns dey rare |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 3:54pm On Jun 25 |
raumdeuter:In that case, only few states will have functional state police because not many states have enough IGR +allocation that is enough to run the state and still run state police. I'm looking at the infrastructure, operational vehicles, arms and ammunitions and other cost of operation that will be required to run state police in some poor states.....Even if they collect security votes for 2 years straight, some of the states may not have enough to run functional state police. Las Las , it will be like minimum wage that some states could afford to pay above minimum wage, while some states cannot afford to pay. Make we dey look as e dey go sha. |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 4:00pm On Jun 25 |
BlueRayDick:The state police will run in parallel with the FG NPF instead of these corner corner Amoketun, Ebubeagu you can now openly defend your people. Amotekun had some resources before now its time to do more and grow it over the years. The first few years will have issues but over time if they are sincere they should figure it out No more excuse. If your state does not have enough money to fund itself and essential services needed to run, then I dont know what you expect others to do for you This is part of the true federalism they have been clamoring for |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Illimitable: 4:16pm On Jun 25 |
raumdeuter:You did not address the corruption part. State forces alone are insufficient for the terrain and threat volume, local knowledge matters, and tying money to results is better than open-ended spending. Tompolo-style pragmatism has delivered massive gains in one context. Scaling a results-based private security approach region-by-region for human security is a better proposition to people tired of ineffective bureaucracy and rising body counts. When citizens believe(with evidence) that police at checkpoints are collecting percentages from ransom money (in one reported case, ~5% across multiple points, with kidnappers accepting the shortfall because they “understood”), it destroys any remaining trust in state actors. That particular anecdote is not isolated. Decades of reporting from victims, human rights organizations, local media, and even official inquiries have documented patterns of police and security force involvement in kidnapping rackets, checkpoint extortion, collusion with bandits, and ransom facilitation across Nigeria. Your State Police & the kidnappers/bandits operate beneficially in the same criminal ecosystem. State Police and Military simply cannot effectively cover Nigeria’s vast rainforests in the South or savannah/forest mosaics in the North. Local knowledge gives an edge that centralized forces lack. Results should trump ideology or rigid bureaucracy.
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| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:32pm On Jun 25 |
raumdeuter:It's not about one state not having enough money, the fact is most states actually do not have money to fund a functional state police based on their current allocation + IGR + security votes. Anyways let's wait and see how it will all play out. Let's see how state police will be different from the federal police in terms of corruption, extortions and indiscriminate arrest of citizens. |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 4:36pm On Jun 25 |
Illimitable:There is no organization that is immune from corruption, Even US armies sellout. Even if Igboho is too holy to be corrupted, what of the thousands under him, what will stop them from selling ammunitions to criminals like the NPF you reported If the concern is that some officers collect ransom-related kickbacks, why would Nigerians assume Igboho security networks would be immune to the same incentives? Corruption is not solved merely by changing who carries the gun. Its just decentralized A state force will also have a local unit. E.g Amotekun in Ibadan have branches in Ogbomoso which report upwards to the state HQ, State police in Epe, Ikorodu report upwards to Ikeja HQ Tompolo operates in a highly specific environment. Waterways an oil infrastructure are fixed assets with relatively defined geographic boundaries. Forests and rural territories are fundamentally different. Kidnappers, bandits, and insurgents can relocate, blend into civilian populations, cross state boundaries, and adapt their tactics. In most cases for Igboho unless you find people armed, you cannot know their intention unless you want to chase away every Fulani in SW, even at that, there is no physical feature that identifies a Fulani from a Yoruba man. This normal looking man at 3pm can turn into a bandit by 6pm Finally while giving individuals seems like a goo idea for now, then we are turning them into strongmen that might end up being bigger than the state At this point I think we should explore every option, National, State, Private and individuals being armed as well. If over time we are able to curb the insecurity then we relegate the Igboho styled security (That is if they willl go quietly) |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Illimitable: 4:55pm On Jun 25 |
raumdeuter:Igboho has a stake in the eternal peace of his region. He’s been doing it without payment for years. A Fulani Police Officer residing in Fiditi(Oyo State) has no stake for peace to reign in Oyo State . His only motivation for doing the job is his salary. He will think twice before firing at his own people that are kidnappers. Igboho has promised to personally murder any Yoruba man involved in kidnapping in his region. His motivation isn’t money. This is why the idea of State Police is farcical. A lot of Nigerians think State Police would only have officers of Yoruba ethnicity in Yoruba state and Igbo officers in Igbo state. It is not going to work that way. |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 5:03pm On Jun 25 |
Illimitable:The point stated is why FG police is ineffective an why STate police will be a better option. I am asking you if you trust Igboho and that he cannot be bought okay (even though we have seen all the Gani Adams become money grabbers) but what of the thousand of people Igboho will employ that do not share his DNA nor conviction The state police will only have people local to the state. Or do you think Oyo state police will be hiring from Yobe or Yobe indigenes? I don't think so State police will just be an official and legalized Amotekun etc which has some gains. Local people actually trust Amotekun more than the NPF |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Illimitable: 5:35pm On Jun 25 |
raumdeuter:The State Police will have the same corrupt Police Officers already residing in the States. It’s like reshuffling deck chairs on the Titanic - it’s not going to stop the ship from sinking. Deep-rooted corruption, extortion, collusion with criminals, poor accountability, and a culture that often prioritizes personal gain over public service are well-documented problems that will never go away because of State Police. I agree with your point that people actually trust Amotekun. Amotekun has terrain knowledge, community integration, language/cultural familiarity, and intrinsic motivation tied to protecting their own homes. It’s a more valid strengths than State Police. A Private Security Network like TANTITA have shown tactical successes in intelligence gathering, rapid response, and curbing rural crimes where formal police are absent or distrusted.  Performance-based contracts with harsh penalties would definitively align incentives. Residency in the protected area also adds skin in the game. NPF have failed Nigerians - I don’t trust them at all(State or Federal). |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 5:58pm On Jun 25 |
Illimitable:My belief s that the current police will remain with NPF and FG, while the state will hire a new set of local indigenes to be their own state police Amotekun is just a proto type state police with more legality to it. Every advantage of Amotekun transfers to the state police. State police will hire locals from Fiditi, Oriire, Saki, Iseyin Ibarapa, etc train them and then send them to their community to operat. This is more effective than a Federal body from Abuja and also offer more longevity and structure than the private Igboho led ones Though for now that we are putting out a fire, any help is welcome, when a fire is burning, even a spittle is welcome, at this point even if Kolu or Aki/pawpaw offer help in security, we will take it The State police offer a long term solution |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 6:43pm On Jun 25 |
raumdeuter:Banditry and acts of terrorism are still under the jurisdiction of the federal police, and we know where that buck stops. It's a good initiative, but without source of funding specified, might be a while before it starts to make any difference. |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 7:00pm On Jun 25 |
Pastor dan turn members to labourers ![]()
The government need to ban religion for a year and see how we will develop as a country |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 7:01pm On Jun 25 |
When Obiano was constructing Anambra airport, I told my guy that the airport won't attract the expected passengers. Asaba Airport is already strategically positioned to swallow both Onitsha and other other towns in the Owerri Corridor. That airport is just an elephant project, but e no agree. The same way Otti is constructing airport in Abia, when Uyo and Owerri airport are already enough to serve Abia. Well, Soludo wan build another one. Automatically, one will become useless, and more cash out for the Governor
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| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:29pm On Jun 25 |
izzou:What reason is Soludo giving for having 2 airports in one state? |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:38pm On Jun 25 |
Theflint1:The funding is the security votes. |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 7:47pm On Jun 25 |
BlueRayDick:No tangible reason. Just the usual long long grammar. |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by CrystalTiger(m): 7:52pm On Jun 25 |
izzou:There's generally an airport madness sickness amongst Nigerian governors which is basically made possible by the fact that no one spends serious time in prison for wasting public funds.. Actually thought Otti was joking until my friend told me about the construction starting already..Money that he would have used to do several other things in Abia, he's going to waste it with nonsense.. Uzodinma dn do Owerri airport road well and Otti actually dualized Umuahia-Owerri road, he's also started the Ikwuano-Ikot Ekpene road so this his airport madness is just annoyingly foolish.. That being said, Soludo is going band for band with Monday Okphebole of Edo State in terms of the most stupid governor in Nigeria..Two airports in one state is another level of stupidity on its own.. |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 8:01pm On Jun 25 |
CrystalTiger:The funniest ones are the ones who take it to their village, or one interior town with the hope that it will develop the area. I don't know if these people even request for data of passengers flying into and out of their state, before committing such funds. Or maybe the primary goal is just where they would be able to land. He should build 5 airports in Anambra. Last Last, we go use 4 do Motor/Bus parks |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 8:30pm On Jun 25 |
izzou:Maybe state police will reduce this wastage of money on white elephant projects. |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 8:32pm On Jun 25 |
raumdeuter:For Edo State that's about #900M monthly. It's money, but to build a security architecture from the ground up, that might not do much really. |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Theflint1(m): 8:35pm On Jun 25 |
BlueRayDick:These things are built primarily to siphon funds, and secondarily with themselves and their fellow elites in mind. Fit be some of e goons for that part of the state have been complaining about having to travel from the airport to their respective villages. To fix the situation, na to drop another airport so commute time is shorter. |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by CrystalTiger(m): 8:37pm On Jun 25 |
You go first think say na parody account lol..Guess who just commissioned an estate for judges.. Nothing wey this man no accuse GEJ of.. Empty barrels do make the loudest noise.. https://x.com/i/status/521962289201942528
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| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 8:42pm On Jun 25 |
Theflint1:Its a gradual process. You buy 5 Isuzu per month, you scale up gradually. It wont be sufficient in the bginning of even first 3yrs but over time it would be better than this sham where you will be waiting for IGP from Abuja for an issue in Aghenebode |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 9:18pm On Jun 25 |
Theflint1:But there's already an existing security architecture, right? Edo currently has police stations, vehicles, blah blah blah I don't think the plan is to start from scratch |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:33pm On Jun 25 |
izzou:So what's the plan? Will they be borrowing police station, operational vehicles and guns from the existing federal police? |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 9:40pm On Jun 25 |
BlueRayDick:They will buy theirs. When Amotekun launched for example they bought their own pickup trucks, They wont have as many equipments at the beginning but gradually thy will ramp up |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 9:48pm On Jun 25 |
BlueRayDick:I don't think there would be a Federal Police, unless it's me that is getting it wrong The same police now will just be absorbed as state properties. Abi no be so e suppose be? |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 9:49pm On Jun 25 |
Sai Mallam Terrorist group ![]() |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:46pm On Jun 25 |
izzou:Lolz ![]() There will be both state and federal police |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 10:49pm On Jun 25 |
izzou:I think there will be a Federal police side by side with state police Are you saying the Tiv, Hausa police in Oyo would join Oyo police force or they will sack all current policemen? With current security challenges, we need double the number of police and security forces Anything at this point from Man o war, boys scout even confra boys should be converted to security forces. Make dem enter bush for good reasons |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 10:55pm On Jun 25 |
BlueRayDick:Ohh I didn't know that |
| Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 10:56pm On Jun 25 |
raumdeuter:Won't the Federal Police still be in Oyo? That means the Tiv Policeman would still be there |
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