₦airaland Forum

CharlesCNG:
Nobody is saying Pastor Adeboye is above criticism. He is not. If anyone disagrees with his statement on Tinubu and insecurity, they are free to disagree.

But let us not replace facts with vague memory.

You said Adeboye was “far more vocal” against previous governments. Fine. Bring the exact quote, date and context. The most popular claim being circulated — that Adeboye protested against Goodluck Jonathan — has been fact-checked repeatedly and found false. The viral protest photo was from a 2020 prayer walk under Buhari, not Jonathan.

In fact, public records show that Jonathan visited the RCCG camp in 2015, knelt for prayers, and Adeboye prayed for peaceful elections. Reports also showed Jonathan meeting Obasanjo in Abeokuta in the presence of Adeboye and Bishop Oyedepo. So where exactly is this story that Adeboye treated Jonathan with fire and Tinubu with perfume?

Even under Buhari, Adeboye’s 2020 walk was a prayer walk against killings and insecurity, not a partisan campaign rally. And even now under Tinubu, Adeboye did not say Nigeria is safe. He said insecurity has worsened, urged security chiefs to move fast, and called for terrorists and their sponsors to be dealt with. His controversial point was that the President is not expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

You can disagree with that. I may even agree that a Commander-in-Chief must ultimately be judged by results, not instructions. But that is different from calling him a tribal hypocrite or pretending he never criticised insecurity under this government.

The real problem is that some people want Adeboye to use their exact political language. If he prays, they say he is silent. If he advises, they say he is soft. If he does not insult Tinubu, they say he is compromised.

Criticism is fair. Abuse is not.

So let us discuss consistency with evidence, not with rumours, recycled photos and emotional suspicion.

CharlesCNG:
nobody said abuse is exclusive to Obidients. Political abuse exists across camps. Tinubu supporters do it. PDP supporters do it. Obi supporters do it. That is not the argument.

The argument is more specific: in this particular Adeboye episode, the loudest and most vicious attacks I have seen are coming from people using Obidient language, Obidient talking points and Obidient grievance templates.

I also never said all Obidients are abusive. That would be unfair.

But many of the people who turn every disagreement into abuse, call everyone paid, tribalist, fake, compromised or wicked simply because they refuse to echo Obi-aligned anger, are usually Obidients. That pattern is too consistent to ignore.

Ekpeitut:
The issue is not that Pastor Adeboye expressed an opinion. The issue is that many Nigerians remember a time when he was far more vocal about the failures of previous governments. That is why his recent comments have attracted scrutiny.
You cannot build a reputation for speaking truth to power and then appear to lower the standard when your preferred leader is in office. Consistency is the foundation of moral authority.

When previous administrations struggled with insecurity, corruption, fuel scarcity, or economic hardship, Pastor Adeboye did not hesitate to call for urgent action and national repentance. Today, insecurity has become even more widespread, kidnappings have reached communities once considered safe, millions are battling unprecedented economic hardship, yet his public criticism appears noticeably restrained. Nigerians have every right to ask why.

Saying that the President only needs to give orders ignores the very essence of leadership. A Commander in Chief is not judged by the orders he gives but by the outcomes those orders produce. If insecurity continues to worsen, then leadership must be held accountable. That principle applied under previous governments and it must apply now.

It is ironic that some people who once applauded Adeboye for challenging those in power are now asking Nigerians not to question him. Respect for a pastor does not require silence in the face of apparent double standards. Public figures who comment on national issues should expect their past statements to be measured against their present ones.

Reducing every criticism to "Obidients are attacking him" is also misleading. Many of those questioning Pastor Adeboye are not doing so because of Peter Obi. They are doing so because they expect consistency from someone who has long been regarded as a moral voice in Nigeria.
This is not about tribe. It is not about religion. It is about credibility. If the standards used to judge former presidents are abandoned when the current president is involved, then people are justified in pointing out the inconsistency.

Nobody is above criticism, whether politician or pastor. The same courage required to speak against yesterday's government should exist today. Otherwise, people will inevitably conclude that the message changes depending on who occupies Aso Rock.
That is the real issue. Not ethnicity. Not political affiliation. Consistency.

floss:
But must yorubas, igbos and hausas live together as a country.... These too much hate between yorubas and igbos, is it not better for igbos to go and have their own country so that yorubas and hausas can enjoy Nigeria in peace.

You criticize tulumbu, they tag you obidients
You criticize too much insecurity and deaths due to the incapacitation of current government, they say
"can't you see the coastal road?

You look at the coastal road and question the way and manner the contract was awarded and who it was awarded, and how much was disbursed, they call you PAINED

The thing about this government and their supporters is that, you're not supposed to question anything, if you ask questions about how the resources is used, they tag you igbo and obidients


What is yorubas constant obsession with igbos that they tag every one not supporting evil as igbos and obidients ?

I expected that when a government is criticized, the government and their supporters come forward with explanations and plans on how to make amends and build the country through transparency so that everyone will stop asking questions.

But rather, their response to criticism is launching tribal attacks, verbal and online wars on people that are asking questions... If you feel attacked by a mere question seeking explanation then you're deliberate in your incompetency in governance

Ekpeitut:
The issue is not that Pastor Adeboye expressed an opinion. The issue is that many Nigerians remember a time when he was far more vocal about the failures of previous governments. That is why his recent comments have attracted scrutiny.
You cannot build a reputation for speaking truth to power and then appear to lower the standard when your preferred leader is in office. Consistency is the foundation of moral authority.

When previous administrations struggled with insecurity, corruption, fuel scarcity, or economic hardship, Pastor Adeboye did not hesitate to call for urgent action and national repentance. Today, insecurity has become even more widespread, kidnappings have reached communities once considered safe, millions are battling unprecedented economic hardship, yet his public criticism appears noticeably restrained. Nigerians have every right to ask why.

Saying that the President only needs to give orders ignores the very essence of leadership. A Commander in Chief is not judged by the orders he gives but by the outcomes those orders produce. If insecurity continues to worsen, then leadership must be held accountable. That principle applied under previous governments and it must apply now.

It is ironic that some people who once applauded Adeboye for challenging those in power are now asking Nigerians not to question him. Respect for a pastor does not require silence in the face of apparent double standards. Public figures who comment on national issues should expect their past statements to be measured against their present ones.

Reducing every criticism to "Obidients are attacking him" is also misleading. Many of those questioning Pastor Adeboye are not doing so because of Peter Obi. They are doing so because they expect consistency from someone who has long been regarded as a moral voice in Nigeria.
This is not about tribe. It is not about religion. It is about credibility. If the standards used to judge former presidents are abandoned when the current president is involved, then people are justified in pointing out the inconsistency.

Nobody is above criticism, whether politician or pastor. The same courage required to speak against yesterday's government should exist today. Otherwise, people will inevitably conclude that the message changes depending on who occupies Aso Rock.
That is the real issue. Not ethnicity. Not political affiliation. Consistency.

Ekpeitut:
The issue is not that Pastor Adeboye expressed an opinion. The issue is that many Nigerians remember a time when he was far more vocal about the failures of previous governments. That is why his recent comments have attracted scrutiny.
You cannot build a reputation for speaking truth to power and then appear to lower the standard when your preferred leader is in office. Consistency is the foundation of moral authority.

When previous administrations struggled with insecurity, corruption, fuel scarcity, or economic hardship, Pastor Adeboye did not hesitate to call for urgent action and national repentance. Today, insecurity has become even more widespread, kidnappings have reached communities once considered safe, millions are battling unprecedented economic hardship, yet his public criticism appears noticeably restrained. Nigerians have every right to ask why.

Saying that the President only needs to give orders ignores the very essence of leadership. A Commander in Chief is not judged by the orders he gives but by the outcomes those orders produce. If insecurity continues to worsen, then leadership must be held accountable. That principle applied under previous governments and it must apply now.

It is ironic that some people who once applauded Adeboye for challenging those in power are now asking Nigerians not to question him. Respect for a pastor does not require silence in the face of apparent double standards. Public figures who comment on national issues should expect their past statements to be measured against their present ones.

Reducing every criticism to "Obidients are attacking him" is also misleading. Many of those questioning Pastor Adeboye are not doing so because of Peter Obi. They are doing so because they expect consistency from someone who has long been regarded as a moral voice in Nigeria.
This is not about tribe. It is not about religion. It is about credibility. If the standards used to judge former presidents are abandoned when the current president is involved, then people are justified in pointing out the inconsistency.

Nobody is above criticism, whether politician or pastor. The same courage required to speak against yesterday's government should exist today. Otherwise, people will inevitably conclude that the message changes depending on who occupies Aso Rock.
That is the real issue. Not ethnicity. Not political affiliation. Consistency.

musa234:
I am not obidient and I also attacked him because he is fake and a bigot. Only you brainwashed individuals and his sheeples support this fake pastor and bigot.

overall90:
God bless you.
But I know they won't listen.
They will simply move to the next propaganda

kenchop:
Stop tagging Obidients to this. we all know that Adeboye is a false prophet and a stinking tribalist. he is a known bigot who always lies in the name of God

Lithiumite:
And what's wrong with anybody supporting anybody in the first place,whats wrong with anybody having an opinion tiday and feeling differently about it tomorrow......the legendary ikemba Nnewi,dim odimegwu ojukwu that bravely fought a war of secession which to him at the time saw it as a war of freedom and emancipation for his people but was on record to have later declared that he agreed the war wasn't the best option at the time,someone who fought for and represented biafra still ran for office in the same country he sought to secede from.......that in anyway never diminished his person as a hero in the annals of our history and nobody from his tribe ever saw cause to ridicule him for having a different view after putting 3m of them to the slaughter.

Adeboye is an individual and has a right to his opinion which must be respected by everyone,you do not have to attack his person,thats the highest point of intolerance, how many apc supporters to you see insulting or harassing apostle suleiman or any clergy that is considered a hardliner against their party?

Ekpeitut:
The issue is not that Pastor Adeboye expressed an opinion. The issue is that many Nigerians remember a time when he was far more vocal about the failures of previous governments. That is why his recent comments have attracted scrutiny.
You cannot build a reputation for speaking truth to power and then appear to lower the standard when your preferred leader is in office. Consistency is the foundation of moral authority.

When previous administrations struggled with insecurity, corruption, fuel scarcity, or economic hardship, Pastor Adeboye did not hesitate to call for urgent action and national repentance. Today, insecurity has become even more widespread, kidnappings have reached communities once considered safe, millions are battling unprecedented economic hardship, yet his public criticism appears noticeably restrained. Nigerians have every right to ask why.

Saying that the President only needs to give orders ignores the very essence of leadership. A Commander in Chief is not judged by the orders he gives but by the outcomes those orders produce. If insecurity continues to worsen, then leadership must be held accountable. That principle applied under previous governments and it must apply now.

It is ironic that some people who once applauded Adeboye for challenging those in power are now asking Nigerians not to question him. Respect for a pastor does not require silence in the face of apparent double standards. Public figures who comment on national issues should expect their past statements to be measured against their present ones.

Reducing every criticism to "Obidients are attacking him" is also misleading. Many of those questioning Pastor Adeboye are not doing so because of Peter Obi. They are doing so because they expect consistency from someone who has long been regarded as a moral voice in Nigeria.
This is not about tribe. It is not about religion. It is about credibility. If the standards used to judge former presidents are abandoned when the current president is involved, then people are justified in pointing out the inconsistency.

Nobody is above criticism, whether politician or pastor. The same courage required to speak against yesterday's government should exist today. Otherwise, people will inevitably conclude that the message changes depending on who occupies Aso Rock.
That is the real issue. Not ethnicity. Not political affiliation. Consistency.

CharlesCNG:
The recent attacks on Pastor Enoch Adeboye over his comments on insecurity and President Tinubu reveal something troubling about the Obidient movement: many of them do not merely disagree; they desecrate.

Pastor Adeboye’s point was not that Nigeria is secure. In fact, he admitted that insecurity has worsened and that terrorism and kidnapping have spread from the North into parts of the South. He also urged that security chiefs be given strict marching orders and that sponsors of terrorism should be dealt with. His only offence was saying that once a Commander-in-Chief gives instructions to security agencies, he should not be expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

Reasonable people can debate that position. They can say the President must do more. They can argue that command responsibility must be measured by results, not merely by instructions. That is fair.

But what did some Obidients do? As usual, they entered abuse mode. Suddenly, Adeboye became the enemy. A man they once quoted when it suited them became useless because he did not echo their preferred political anger.

Worse still, some now accuse him of ethnic bias, suggesting that he is defending Tinubu simply because Tinubu is Yoruba. This is one of the oldest tricks in Nigerian politics: when you cannot answer a man’s argument, explain his ancestry.

Curiously, this accusation is never applied evenly. If a Yoruba criticises Tinubu, he is praised as courageous and objective. If another Yoruba supports Tinubu, he is dismissed as tribalistic. If a Yoruba elder supports Peter Obi, he is celebrated as detribalised and enlightened. But if a Yoruba pastor says something that does not condemn Tinubu in the language Obidients prefer, he is suddenly an ethnic apologist.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

People support or defend political positions for many reasons: conviction, ideology, policy preference, institutional understanding, personal experience, or yes, sometimes ethnicity. But it is lazy and dishonest to assume tribal motive only when the opinion favours the candidate you oppose.

The real question is not whether Tinubu is Yoruba. The real question is whether Adeboye’s argument is right or wrong. If you disagree, answer the argument. Do not hide behind ethnicity because the facts are inconvenient.

This is the deeper problem. To many Obidients, every institution must bow to their politics: church leaders, traditional rulers, courts, media houses, INEC, security agencies, intellectuals, activists — everybody must either worship at the altar of Obi or be insulted.

That is not democratic engagement. That is political intolerance wearing activism as perfume.

No society grows when every disagreement becomes a licence for abuse. You can disagree with Adeboye without insulting his age, his faith, his office, his ethnicity, or millions who respect him. But restraint is difficult for people who treat politics like a crusade.

The tragedy is that this behaviour keeps pushing decent people away from their cause. They claim to want a new Nigeria, but they attack every voice that refuses to sing from their hymn book.

If Pastor Adeboye must be corrected, correct him with argument.

But if your first response is abuse and ethnic labelling, then the problem is no longer Adeboye’s statement.

The problem is your intolerance.

For when a man cannot answer your argument, he often settles for explaining your tribe. And when facts become inconvenient, ethnicity becomes the emergency exit.

CharlesCNG:
The recent attacks on Pastor Enoch Adeboye over his comments on insecurity and President Tinubu reveal something troubling about the Obidient movement: many of them do not merely disagree; they desecrate.

Pastor Adeboye’s point was not that Nigeria is secure. In fact, he admitted that insecurity has worsened and that terrorism and kidnapping have spread from the North into parts of the South. He also urged that security chiefs be given strict marching orders and that sponsors of terrorism should be dealt with. His only offence was saying that once a Commander-in-Chief gives instructions to security agencies, he should not be expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

Reasonable people can debate that position. They can say the President must do more. They can argue that command responsibility must be measured by results, not merely by instructions. That is fair.

But what did some Obidients do? As usual, they entered abuse mode. Suddenly, Adeboye became the enemy. A man they once quoted when it suited them became useless because he did not echo their preferred political anger.

Worse still, some now accuse him of ethnic bias, suggesting that he is defending Tinubu simply because Tinubu is Yoruba. This is one of the oldest tricks in Nigerian politics: when you cannot answer a man’s argument, explain his ancestry.

Curiously, this accusation is never applied evenly. If a Yoruba criticises Tinubu, he is praised as courageous and objective. If another Yoruba supports Tinubu, he is dismissed as tribalistic. If a Yoruba elder supports Peter Obi, he is celebrated as detribalised and enlightened. But if a Yoruba pastor says something that does not condemn Tinubu in the language Obidients prefer, he is suddenly an ethnic apologist.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

People support or defend political positions for many reasons: conviction, ideology, policy preference, institutional understanding, personal experience, or yes, sometimes ethnicity. But it is lazy and dishonest to assume tribal motive only when the opinion favours the candidate you oppose.

The real question is not whether Tinubu is Yoruba. The real question is whether Adeboye’s argument is right or wrong. If you disagree, answer the argument. Do not hide behind ethnicity because the facts are inconvenient.

This is the deeper problem. To many Obidients, every institution must bow to their politics: church leaders, traditional rulers, courts, media houses, INEC, security agencies, intellectuals, activists — everybody must either worship at the altar of Obi or be insulted.

That is not democratic engagement. That is political intolerance wearing activism as perfume.

No society grows when every disagreement becomes a licence for abuse. You can disagree with Adeboye without insulting his age, his faith, his office, his ethnicity, or millions who respect him. But restraint is difficult for people who treat politics like a crusade.

The tragedy is that this behaviour keeps pushing decent people away from their cause. They claim to want a new Nigeria, but they attack every voice that refuses to sing from their hymn book.

If Pastor Adeboye must be corrected, correct him with argument.

But if your first response is abuse and ethnic labelling, then the problem is no longer Adeboye’s statement.

The problem is your intolerance.

For when a man cannot answer your argument, he often settles for explaining your tribe. And when facts become inconvenient, ethnicity becomes the emergency exit.

CharlesCNG:
The recent attacks on Pastor Enoch Adeboye over his comments on insecurity and President Tinubu reveal something troubling about the Obidient movement: many of them do not merely disagree; they desecrate.

Pastor Adeboye’s point was not that Nigeria is secure. In fact, he admitted that insecurity has worsened and that terrorism and kidnapping have spread from the North into parts of the South. He also urged that security chiefs be given strict marching orders and that sponsors of terrorism should be dealt with. His only offence was saying that once a Commander-in-Chief gives instructions to security agencies, he should not be expected to personally wear khaki and go to the battlefield.

Reasonable people can debate that position. They can say the President must do more. They can argue that command responsibility must be measured by results, not merely by instructions. That is fair.

But what did some Obidients do? As usual, they entered abuse mode. Suddenly, Adeboye became the enemy. A man they once quoted when it suited them became useless because he did not echo their preferred political anger.

Worse still, some now accuse him of ethnic bias, suggesting that he is defending Tinubu simply because Tinubu is Yoruba. This is one of the oldest tricks in Nigerian politics: when you cannot answer a man’s argument, explain his ancestry.

Curiously, this accusation is never applied evenly. If a Yoruba criticises Tinubu, he is praised as courageous and objective. If another Yoruba supports Tinubu, he is dismissed as tribalistic. If a Yoruba elder supports Peter Obi, he is celebrated as detribalised and enlightened. But if a Yoruba pastor says something that does not condemn Tinubu in the language Obidients prefer, he is suddenly an ethnic apologist.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

People support or defend political positions for many reasons: conviction, ideology, policy preference, institutional understanding, personal experience, or yes, sometimes ethnicity. But it is lazy and dishonest to assume tribal motive only when the opinion favours the candidate you oppose.

The real question is not whether Tinubu is Yoruba. The real question is whether Adeboye’s argument is right or wrong. If you disagree, answer the argument. Do not hide behind ethnicity because the facts are inconvenient.

This is the deeper problem. To many Obidients, every institution must bow to their politics: church leaders, traditional rulers, courts, media houses, INEC, security agencies, intellectuals, activists — everybody must either worship at the altar of Obi or be insulted.

That is not democratic engagement. That is political intolerance wearing activism as perfume.

No society grows when every disagreement becomes a licence for abuse. You can disagree with Adeboye without insulting his age, his faith, his office, his ethnicity, or millions who respect him. But restraint is difficult for people who treat politics like a crusade.

The tragedy is that this behaviour keeps pushing decent people away from their cause. They claim to want a new Nigeria, but they attack every voice that refuses to sing from their hymn book.

If Pastor Adeboye must be corrected, correct him with argument.

But if your first response is abuse and ethnic labelling, then the problem is no longer Adeboye’s statement.

The problem is your intolerance.

For when a man cannot answer your argument, he often settles for explaining your tribe. And when facts become inconvenient, ethnicity becomes the emergency exit.

Lithiumite:
And what's wrong with anybody supporting anybody in the first place,whats wrong with anybody having an opinion tiday and feeling differently about it tomorrow......the legendary ikemba Nnewi,dim odimegwu ojukwu that bravely fought a war of secession which to him at the time saw it as a war of freedom and emancipation for his people but was on record to have later declared that he agreed the war wasn't the best option at the time,someone who fought for and represented biafra still ran for office in the same country he sought to secede from.......that in anyway never diminished his person as a hero in the annals of our history and nobody from his tribe ever saw cause to ridicule him for having a different view after putting 3m of them to the slaughter.

Adeboye is an individual and has a right to his opinion which must be respected by everyone,you do not have to attack his person,thats the highest point of intolerance, how many apc supporters to you see insulting or harassing apostle suleiman or any clergy that is considered a hardliner against their party?

nairalanda1:
The problem I have is that the people who were rightly complaining under GEJ about the issues under his government are now praising tinubu despite things getting worse, and calling any critic obident, and telling us his critics to keep quayet, while those who are grumbling under tinubu were telling critics of GEJ to shut up, and telling us there was no problem under his rule

Nigerians do not want their country to progress, na their pocket they want to progress.